This tend to diverge away from the chrome and into the content, which
is a lot more difficult to change. (Urgh, way to long…)
Anyway, I have this really-really weird idea that “staff” should
provide (extremely good) design elements, and then local projects
would chose to use them in favor of their
Regarding Timeless, folks may want to read
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Timeless/Post-deployment_support/Final
.
I'm cross-posting this thread to the public Design mailing list. That's
usually a quiet list, but I think that if people want to have an extensive
discussion that is f
Hoi,
I am game, to make me interested again in the editing sense of Wikipedia,
there are a few things on my wish list.
The first thing I will happily contribute to are "red links on steroids".
The problem with red links is disambiguation.. Suppose that there is no
article by that name, chances are
On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 at 18:53, Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Is this the right time to plug Timeless?
> It is, well, timeless. Looks modern too.
Should be the default imho by now.
Then the wikimania design features could be added to it, to make it almost
"I think we all generally endorse incremental improvements, instead
of drastic overhauls."
Um, that is clearly not true, since otherwise, for example, the original
poster would not have sent out his message.
For readers, I think many, if not most, would want a look and feel that
works for them, a
Is this the right time to plug Timeless?
It is, well, timeless. Looks modern too.
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 18:22 John Erling Blad wrote:
> Try holding your cellphone vertically.
>
> tor. 12. des. 2019, 22.38 skrev Todd Allen :
>
> > Erm, I remember what websites looked like in 1996. I even made
Yes, and that's why I really, really, really want to hear more feedback on
it from various communities of editors, including criticism. That's also
why in my proposal I write that it's a requirement that communities must be
able to override any central functionality, and I only speak about the
gene
For those interested: https://www.w3.org/TR/css-device-adapt-1/
On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:47 PM John Erling Blad wrote:
>
> Could we please update them with a slightly more up-to-date skin?
>
> Take a look at our Norwegian competitor in the lexicon field.
> https://snl.no/kunstig_intelligens
>
>
I get a little scared when I read “probably, but not necessarily,
mostly by staff” because all kind of central standardization creates a
whole lot of arguing in the individual subprojects. If that
standardization means changing a whole lot of templates I'm afraid it
will create much more fighting t
A skin does not have to change the content, most of the skin is chrome
and can be changed without touching the content at all.
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 1:12 AM Nick Wilson (Quiddity)
wrote:
>
> Multiple responses:
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 10:07 AM Juergen Fenn wrote:
>
> > Am 12.12.19 um 02:25
I don't see any reason to turn this into a help thread, but yes there
are a few browsers that don't fully support responsive design. For
example IE11 has trouble with responsive images.[1]
Mobile best Practices become a W3C Recommendation 29 July 2008, we're
not compliant as far as I know.[2]
[1]
בתאריך יום ה׳, 12 בדצמ׳ 2019 ב-23:37 מאת Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com
>:
> I'm thinking out loud here. Are there any estimates of would be required in
> terms of time (both staff time and community time) and money to make
> templates and other tools be much easier to globalize across wikis
Hello John,
On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 14:01:46 +0100
John Erling Blad wrote:
> I wrote 1996 in the subject field because that was the year I made a
> wikisite with tabbed interface, and experimented with a paper-like
> design in Xt. More or less what designers today would call a material
> design. The
בתאריך יום ו׳, 13 בדצמ׳ 2019 ב-2:13 מאת Nick Wilson (Quiddity) <
nwil...@wikimedia.org>:
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 5:26 PM Strainu wrote:
>
> > The main problem I see with that is that is changing all the on-wiki
> > templates and scripts that work with the current skin. There is also a
>
Multiple responses:
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 10:07 AM Juergen Fenn wrote:
> Am 12.12.19 um 02:25 Uhr schrieb Strainu:
> > There is also a
> > question of opportunity: with less and less desktop users, it just
> > makes more sense to invest in the mobile experience
>
> Most authors still use deskt
I'm not using my cell phone. I'm using an actual computer with a 28"
monitor.
There's really no excuse, in web design, for something aside from the
content to absolutely overwhelm the whole monitor on a first view. That
robot image should be about a third of its size.
Todd
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 a
Try holding your cellphone vertically.
tor. 12. des. 2019, 22.38 skrev Todd Allen :
> Erm, I remember what websites looked like in 1996. I even made some then.
> It looks nothing like that.
>
> On the other hand, on the site you linked to? The first thing I see is an
> absolutely huge photo of a
Erm, I remember what websites looked like in 1996. I even made some then.
It looks nothing like that.
On the other hand, on the site you linked to? The first thing I see is an
absolutely huge photo of a robot looking at me. I have to scroll down past
that to get to the actual meat, the text conten
I'm thinking out loud here. Are there any estimates of would be required in
terms of time (both staff time and community time) and money to make
templates and other tools be much easier to globalize across wikis and
across skins? I'm looking for an answer that is more specific than "a lot",
but isn
בתאריך יום ה׳, 12 בדצמ׳ 2019 ב-16:54 מאת Samuel Klein <
meta...@gmail.com>:
> Nice find, thanks for sharing!
>
> Amir: yes, we need global templates -- a framework for them and incremental
> way editors and tools can migrate to that. What's the latest overview of
> where that work sits?
בתאריך יום ה׳, 12 בדצמ׳ 2019 ב-16:54 מאת Samuel Klein <
meta...@gmail.com>:
> Nice find, thanks for sharing!
>
> Amir: yes, we need global templates -- a framework for them and incremental
> way editors and tools can migrate to that. What's the latest overview of
> where that work sits?
We are constantly fighting to keep aesthetics from interfering with
usability, for example by people using lower-contrast, more
subjectively appealing typography, such as quoting text in green on
white, or using lower contrast backgrounds of any color. Both are hard
even for people with normal visi
Am 12.12.19 um 02:25 Uhr schrieb Strainu:
> There is also a
> question of opportunity: with less and less desktop users, it just
> makes more sense to invest in the mobile experience
Most authors still use desktop computers for writing articles or doing
maintenance work. Mobile is for readers.
Nice find, thanks for sharing!
Amir: yes, we need global templates -- a framework for them and incremental
way editors and tools can migrate to that. What's the latest overview of
where that work sits? What can we all do to help?
🌍🌏🌎🌑
On Thu., Dec. 12, 2019, 8:37 a.m. John Erling Blad,
wrot
Seems like Marius Hauken delivered the thesis in 2012.[1]
A short video is available on YouTube.[2]
He got several awards, at most three in one week. [3]
A few of them are listed here.[4][5]
[1] Hauken, Marius Aa., and Kunst- Og Designhøgskolen I Bergen. Same
Shit, Different Wrapping (2012): Ca 20
I wrote 1996 in the subject field because that was the year I made a
wikisite with tabbed interface, and experimented with a paper-like
design in Xt. More or less what designers today would call a material
design. The present design is what I would call Monobook 2.0, and that
imply a 15 year old de
Thank you, but discussing how your site or any other specific site
looked like in some year is an distraction.
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 12:30 PM Shlomi Fish wrote:
>
> Hi John!
>
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 22:47:21 +0100
> John Erling Blad wrote:
>
> > Could we please update them with a slightly more
I know about the work on changing the interactions, but this is about
the design issue.
All of the skins are horribly outdated, sorry to those that made them,
but I guess they already know.
What I would really like is a new fully responsive skin, using the
concepts defined by w3, that also look mod
Hi John!
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 22:47:21 +0100
John Erling Blad wrote:
> Could we please update them with a slightly more up-to-date skin?
>
> Take a look at our Norwegian competitor in the lexicon field.
> https://snl.no/kunstig_intelligens
>
I took a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_
בתאריך יום ה׳, 12 בדצמ׳ 2019 ב-3:27 מאת Strainu <strain...@gmail.com
>:
> În joi, 12 dec. 2019 la 00:21, Amir Sarabadani a
> scris:
> >
> > Do you know about
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements ?
>
> Those are all evolutions, I think the question here was a
On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 at 07:04, Stryn wrote:
> You can use
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering
> to set the same skin everywhere.
>
Thank you so much! I was looking for this...
Aron
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to 12. jouluk. 2019 klo 6.57 Aron Manning
> Btw, switching
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering
> >
> to
> https://snl.no/kunstig_intelligens
That's nice. Try these redesigns with an adblocker for a comparison:
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Wikipedia:Unsolicited_redesigns#/Live_sites
https://www.wikizero.com/en/Wikipedia:Unsolicited_redesigns#Live_sites
https://en.wiki2.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Unsolicited_re
În joi, 12 dec. 2019 la 00:21, Amir Sarabadani a scris:
>
> Do you know about
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements ?
Those are all evolutions, I think the question here was about a revolution.
The main problem I see with that is that is changing all the on-wiki
templ
Do you know about
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements ?
On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:48 PM John Erling Blad wrote:
> Could we please update them with a slightly more up-to-date skin?
>
> Take a look at our Norwegian competitor in the lexicon field.
> https://snl.no/kuns
Could we please update them with a slightly more up-to-date skin?
Take a look at our Norwegian competitor in the lexicon field.
https://snl.no/kunstig_intelligens
John Erling Blad
/jeblad
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