Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

What you may find interesting about her story is that she has never actually "seen" a Wikipedia article (though we used to have a Funk & Wagnalls new world encyclopedia that was read religiously too). Whenever I get to see her in real life (only about 1x or 2x per year) she has remembered all of th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

This is actually a good point in general. There are the average users, who are important and then some, but there are always other use cases too. Even if we can't reasonably support them, they're still there and still merit considering, if nothing else, and without stories like these we'd proba

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:58 AM, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > [...] > The first lesson learned is that blind (or almost blind) people use always > a software of speech synthesis with a speed that makes the audio > almost unintelligible > for not experienced people. The operating system provides sever

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

For those who are interested, this is the American Sign Language Wikipedia on Incubator: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase Sign languages are indeed real languages, and for example American Sign Language is unrelated to English or even British Sign Language (in fact, it's closest to Fre

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

You mean these persons suggested to remove the catches? Rupert On May 28, 2015 11:58 AM, "Ilario Valdelli" wrote: > Sorry if I continue this discussion of January but it may be interesting to > share my experience had yesterday because I attended to a presentation of a > young programmer sufferi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

My blind mom drives me and my brothers crazy by asking us to read her Wikipedia articles after she has listened to some book-on-tape or radio show. It would be great if she could speak the title of the article and have the article read back to her. If we ignore her, she takes revenge by turning on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

On 24 January 2015 at 22:21, James Heilman wrote: > Why don't we have a "Listen" button beside our read button that when > clicked will read the article for the person in question? Such functionality belongs in the browser, not the web page. So long as we use valid and accessible markup, the use

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

Yes I agree that well educated, young and technical blind people from the developed world have found better solutions for using the internet that we could produce with a listen button. I see this more for 1) people who do not read because they do not know how 2) people who are blind but not techni

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

Yes this remark is only focused to give the feedback that our user experience is really different from that of the real users. A question was done about the testing and in any country there are local associations that can give tests (in Italian language there is unitalsi). An additional remark is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

2015-05-28 12:32 GMT+02:00 Richard Symonds : > This is a very enlightening discussion, but it's painfully apparent that > there is no input in this discussion from someone who is sight-impaired, or > input from an organisation like RNIB >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

This is a very enlightening discussion, but it's painfully apparent that there is no input in this discussion from someone who is sight-impaired, or input from an organisation like RNIB . Getting a wide range of this input is really ke

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

Sorry if I continue this discussion of January but it may be interesting to share my experience had yesterday because I attended to a presentation of a young programmer suffering from low vision and color-blind and usual participant in http://globalaccessibilityawarenessday.org/gaad.html. It has b

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

On 24.01.2015 23:21, James Heilman wrote: While human read articles are great they quickly become out of date and are available for only a fraction of our articles. Why don't we have a "Listen" button beside our read button that when clicked will read the article for the person in question? The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

Am 25.01.2015 um 23:22 schrieb Andrew Lih: On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Cristian Consonni wrote: Il 25/Gen/2015 12:18 "Martin Kraft" ha scritto: Did I miss some aspect? Is there a point in converting something visual into something visual? I have been told that people born deaf find mo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

I agree with this point and I think that this problem is central. People with defective vision already uses text-to-speech solutions as client application. So the problem is another: are the pages of Wikimedia projects adapted to be read by TTL client program? I think that the exaggerated use of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

As Tomasz and Dariusz wrote, while visually impaired people have their solutions, other users might want to use Wikipedia etc. as an audible source, even as podcasts (because they prefer learning while listening, they are on the go etc.). I guess as well that mobile platforms bring some use cases h

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

hi, while this proposal will not add value for the blind, most likely (they surely have their preferred solutions already), it may be useful for those who do not have time to look for audio output, but would appreciate it if it was available straightaway. I think there is some benefit in that, cle

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

I guess I see this as making it easier for people to generate files to put on their ipod or for those with a limited ability to read who might not have figured out more complicated solutions. Those who are blind have likely already figured out good solutions. It is those of us who are sighted that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Cristian Consonni wrote: > Il 25/Gen/2015 12:18 "Martin Kraft" ha scritto: > > Did I miss some aspect? Is there a point in converting something visual > into something visual? > > I have been told that people born deaf find more easy to read things in > sign lang

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

I have used screen readers myself, and often sit on public transport listening to reports and articles I never otherwise find the time to read through. Audio screen reader apps are increasingly useful for mobile and tablet access, it being hard work for someone who has difficulty reading the equiva

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Max Klein and I had a chat with someone from a similar group a couple of years ago, and he reported much the same thing - the actual site structure is pretty good for screenreaders and similar software, or was in early 2013. (His main suggestion was to look into improved audio "materials" - record

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

Il 25/Gen/2015 12:18 "Martin Kraft" ha scritto: > Did I miss some aspect? Is there a point in converting something visual into something visual? I have been told that people born deaf find more easy to read things in sign language. I imagine it like the difference between reading something writte

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 4:00 AM, Tomasz Ganicz wrote: > We were discussing it with an association of blind people in Poland - and > they told us - that for them the most important thing is clear and logic > structure of the website - plain main text, menu/navigation in plain text > and descriptio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

We were discussing it with an association of blind people in Poland - and they told us - that for them the most important thing is clear and logic structure of the website - plain main text, menu/navigation in plain text and descriptions of media in plain text. They are using their own free text-to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

(only marginally related, but this is to say that I like this idea) A couple of years ago I contacted a professor at the University of Siena (Tuscany, Italy) which was the head of a project that built a text-to-sign-language converter. The software was converting text in Italian to LIS (Ling

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

James Heilman wrote: >While human read articles are great they quickly become out of date and >are available for only a fraction of our articles. Yep. >Why don't we have a "Listen" button beside our read button that when >clicked will read the article for the person in question? I think this is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

Okay have gone ahead and started a proposal here https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/A_%22Listen%22_Button J On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 9:08 PM, James Heilman wrote: > Yes if there is no opposition to the idea I will post it to the IdeaLab. > Thanks Pine :-) > > J > > On Sat, Jan 24, 20

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Yes if there is no opposition to the idea I will post it to the IdeaLab. Thanks Pine :-) J On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Pine W wrote: > Hi James, > > Thanks for this suggestion. May I suggest that you post this idea in > IdeaLab? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab > > Siko, cc'd

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

Hi James, Thanks for this suggestion. May I suggest that you post this idea in IdeaLab? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab Siko, cc'd here, might be able to help advise about possible development of this proposal. Thanks, Pine On Jan 24, 2015 2:21 PM, "James Heilman" wrote: > Whil

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A "Listen" Button

Il 24/Gen/2015 23:21 "James Heilman" ha scritto: > > While human read articles are great they quickly become out of date and are > available for only a fraction of our articles. > > Why don't we have a "Listen" button beside our read button that when > clicked will read the article for the person