Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Romaine Wiki wrote: > Today I was reading in the (international) news about websites with > knowledge on the topic of climate change disappear from the internet as > result of the Trump administration. ... > Luckily there are many

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

As I know there should be a disaster recovery plan within US, but the question is to know if the risk assessment includes also the political issues and the option to move the data centers outside US in case of political risks. It's not my competence, but in several points there is a

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Hoi, Yes. You are right. But having a strategy starts with basics. Having full backups and moving them of the premises. The next part, having a working environment is a next step. Did you consider what it means when a government takes hold of the domain? How we are to change the registration so

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Hi Pine, Thanks for raising this task. There is more to a disaster plan than just smuggling backups of the content itself out though. The projects have grown to a size now where they cannot be run by some guy out of his garage using a backup; we need to think about how we can move or protect

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Thank you, Pine. Yes, this is essential. We've avoided the issue in the past, but it's time to have a proper international backup now. On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 3:52 AM, Pine W wrote: > I have created a Phabricator task here: > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T156544 > >

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As long as humanity maintains the concept of non-citizen, global suffering will prevail. I believe the only way to address backup and privacy concerns is to permanently dissolve all current systems relying on the infrastructure that corporations and governments can touch or see and move to

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On every continent there are likely risks and we should be aware of them. Copyrights issues are also something to look out for. In the Netherlands the telecom enforcement agency is pretty strict and active in enforcing net neutrality. But yes, risks are spread over the world. Where the servers

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Actually some parties might bring EU to low standards of freedom of expression. For what concerns Wikimedia, I fear more lobbying about copyright related legislation or about net neutrality than USA turning into a dictatorship. I'm not afraid of a complete service disruption but instead of things

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Hi Nathan, You describe what I tried to say: threats to the environment in what Wikimedia operates. In the Netherlands there has been a government based on populism (with Geert Wilders) but the effects were very limited. The same in other EU countries. Political parties and political leaders in

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Hi! Sorry, I had not the intention to write a Wikipedia article that is balanced. The only thing I tried to describe is some signals in the media that give me concerns. But I am sorry to say, but your reaction is something what I would call naieve, and biased as well. You are free to think that

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In this case I think its more than the projects that need to be protected, there are a lot of resources based in the US that may need to be distributed on a wider base including personal/private data already collected by the WMF. There are already practical challenges ahead with US visa changes

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It's not so challenging, Nathan -we just need to make a copy of a full backup for each language version, we have and store it in the country/countries where the language is spoken. This avoids any bias in the selection. Regards, Sir48-Thyge 2017-01-28 2:12 GMT+01:00 Nathan :

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I have created a Phabricator task here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T156544 Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

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> > Nathan said "*its only reasonable to consider a move of core **assets > somewhere safer from the unspooling of Western social fabric* > ​.. > *This is more challenging than I expected. Where will​ ​* > *we find some place that is protected from the pernicious threats that > beset​ ​**the

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Romaine makes some good points. There is a legitimate concern that the turn to populism and unpredictability threatens the environment in which Wikimedia operates, and its only reasonable to consider a move of core assets somewhere safer from the unspooling of Western social fabric. Perhaps the

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I for one would really, really, really like to see full backup of all data to servers outside USA, if necessary with anonymized contributors. A first step would be to store digests for the revisions on alternate servers, and make it possible to double check the validity of the content. That is, a

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The question is: Is it a legitimate issue or a sensationalized mole hill? Given what I researched I am seeing more of a mole hill. Give it a few days, odds are there will be clarification and this issue will blow over. On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Nathan wrote: > On Fri,

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On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 7:39 PM, John wrote: > Im not sure you are reading section 14 correctly. It makes reference to > Privacy Act (Privacy Act of 1974) and the privacy policy of the federal > agencies involved in immigration enforcement and law enforcement agencies.

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Im not sure you are reading section 14 correctly. It makes reference to Privacy Act (Privacy Act of 1974) and the privacy policy of the federal agencies involved in immigration enforcement and law enforcement agencies. IE the government can freely share information between agencies with regards to

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>... there is zero chance that the president will be able to censor > the private sector. If you mean the U.S. private sector, you're right. But otherwise, the U.S. President is allowed to take a whole lot of actions which can effectively censor non-citizens, and I've got some bad news pertaining

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I must say the tone of the initial post to this is alarmingly biased and almost misleading. Yes the incoming president has placed a hold on releasing additional material. By no means does that imply that they will start censoring data that they release or in any way affect the private sector.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

On 27 January 2017 at 03:33, Romaine Wiki wrote: > But I think it is possible to make sure risks are spread over the world. > Certainly as we are an international movement that intends to cover the > knowledge of the whole humanoid civilisation. > To come to a conclusion,

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On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 at 13:10 Amir Ladsgroup wrote: > Yes they are: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/mirrors.html and three out of > four of them are outside U.S. > Well technically that isn't all of the data / a backup ;) > > Best > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 3:26 PM Gerard

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download#Where_do_I_get_it.3F Seddon On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > No they are not backed up outside the USA. I am not so sure there are off > line backups/ > Thanks, >

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I would not consider the dumps to be backups. They are for purposes of mirroring, research, analysis, offline reading and bot processing among other things, but as a backup of our data they fall short. Not only are they not up to the minute but they do not contain private data, as they are

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On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote: > Yes they are: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/mirrors.html and three out of > four of them are outside U.S. No images/files backup outside of US. -- Milos ___ Wikimedia-l

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Yes they are: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/mirrors.html and three out of four of them are outside U.S. Best On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 3:26 PM Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > No they are not backed up outside the USA. I am not so sure there are off > line backups/ >

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Hoi, No they are not backed up outside the USA. I am not so sure there are off line backups/ Thanks, GerardM On 27 January 2017 at 10:10, Peter Southwood wrote: > I hope the servers are backed up outside the USA in at least two places > and that the data is

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I hope the servers are backed up outside the USA in at least two places and that the data is also backed up off-line somewhere to make it unhackable. Cheers, Peyer -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Romaine Wiki Sent: