Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-05-30 Thread Jane Darnell
What you may find interesting about her story is that she has never actually seen a Wikipedia article (though we used to have a Funk Wagnalls new world encyclopedia that was read religiously too). Whenever I get to see her in real life (only about 1x or 2x per year) she has remembered all of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-05-29 Thread James Heilman
Yes I agree that well educated, young and technical blind people from the developed world have found better solutions for using the internet that we could produce with a listen button. I see this more for 1) people who do not read because they do not know how 2) people who are blind but not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-05-29 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 24 January 2015 at 22:21, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't we have a Listen button beside our read button that when clicked will read the article for the person in question? Such functionality belongs in the browser, not the web page. So long as we use valid and accessible

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-05-29 Thread rupert THURNER
You mean these persons suggested to remove the catches? Rupert On May 28, 2015 11:58 AM, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry if I continue this discussion of January but it may be interesting to share my experience had yesterday because I attended to a presentation of a young

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-05-29 Thread Jane Darnell
My blind mom drives me and my brothers crazy by asking us to read her Wikipedia articles after she has listened to some book-on-tape or radio show. It would be great if she could speak the title of the article and have the article read back to her. If we ignore her, she takes revenge by turning on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-05-29 Thread Nick Wilson (Quiddity)
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:58 AM, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote: [...] The first lesson learned is that blind (or almost blind) people use always a software of speech synthesis with a speed that makes the audio almost unintelligible for not experienced people. The operating system

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-05-29 Thread Pharos
For those who are interested, this is the American Sign Language Wikipedia on Incubator: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase Sign languages are indeed real languages, and for example American Sign Language is unrelated to English or even British Sign Language (in fact, it's closest to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-05-28 Thread Cristian Consonni
2015-05-28 12:32 GMT+02:00 Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk: This is a very enlightening discussion, but it's painfully apparent that there is no input in this discussion from someone who is sight-impaired, or input from an organisation like RNIB

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-05-28 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Yes this remark is only focused to give the feedback that our user experience is really different from that of the real users. A question was done about the testing and in any country there are local associations that can give tests (in Italian language there is unitalsi). An additional remark

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-05-28 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Sorry if I continue this discussion of January but it may be interesting to share my experience had yesterday because I attended to a presentation of a young programmer suffering from low vision and color-blind and usual participant in http://globalaccessibilityawarenessday.org/gaad.html. It has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-05-28 Thread Richard Symonds
This is a very enlightening discussion, but it's painfully apparent that there is no input in this discussion from someone who is sight-impaired, or input from an organisation like RNIB http://www.rnib.org.uk/about-rnib/web-accessibility-statement. Getting a wide range of this input is really key

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-26 Thread Ilario Valdelli
I agree with this point and I think that this problem is central. People with defective vision already uses text-to-speech solutions as client application. So the problem is another: are the pages of Wikimedia projects adapted to be read by TTL client program? I think that the exaggerated use

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-26 Thread Michał Buczyński
As Tomasz and Dariusz wrote, while visually impaired people have their solutions, other users might want to use Wikipedia etc. as an audible source, even as podcasts (because they prefer learning while listening, they are on the go etc.). I guess as well that mobile platforms bring some use cases

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-26 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
On 24.01.2015 23:21, James Heilman wrote: While human read articles are great they quickly become out of date and are available for only a fraction of our articles. Why don't we have a Listen button beside our read button that when clicked will read the article for the person in question?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-26 Thread Martin Kraft
Am 25.01.2015 um 23:22 schrieb Andrew Lih: On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Il 25/Gen/2015 12:18 Martin Kraft martin.kr...@gmx.de ha scritto: Did I miss some aspect? Is there a point in converting something visual into something visual? I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-25 Thread Martin Kraft
(only marginally related, but this is to say that I like this idea) A couple of years ago I contacted a professor at the University of Siena (Tuscany, Italy) which was the head of a project that built a text-to-sign-language converter. The software was converting text in Italian to LIS

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-25 Thread Cristian Consonni
Il 25/Gen/2015 12:18 Martin Kraft martin.kr...@gmx.de ha scritto: Did I miss some aspect? Is there a point in converting something visual into something visual? I have been told that people born deaf find more easy to read things in sign language. I imagine it like the difference between reading

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-25 Thread Andrew Gray
Max Klein and I had a chat with someone from a similar group a couple of years ago, and he reported much the same thing - the actual site structure is pretty good for screenreaders and similar software, or was in early 2013. (His main suggestion was to look into improved audio materials -

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-25 Thread
I have used screen readers myself, and often sit on public transport listening to reports and articles I never otherwise find the time to read through. Audio screen reader apps are increasingly useful for mobile and tablet access, it being hard work for someone who has difficulty reading the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-25 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
hi, while this proposal will not add value for the blind, most likely (they surely have their preferred solutions already), it may be useful for those who do not have time to look for audio output, but would appreciate it if it was available straightaway. I think there is some benefit in that,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-25 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
We were discussing it with an association of blind people in Poland - and they told us - that for them the most important thing is clear and logic structure of the website - plain main text, menu/navigation in plain text and descriptions of media in plain text. They are using their own free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-25 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 4:00 AM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: We were discussing it with an association of blind people in Poland - and they told us - that for them the most important thing is clear and logic structure of the website - plain main text, menu/navigation in plain text

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-25 Thread Andrew Lih
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Il 25/Gen/2015 12:18 Martin Kraft martin.kr...@gmx.de ha scritto: Did I miss some aspect? Is there a point in converting something visual into something visual? I have been told that people born deaf find more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-25 Thread James Heilman
I guess I see this as making it easier for people to generate files to put on their ipod or for those with a limited ability to read who might not have figured out more complicated solutions. Those who are blind have likely already figured out good solutions. It is those of us who are sighted that

[Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-24 Thread James Heilman
While human read articles are great they quickly become out of date and are available for only a fraction of our articles. Why don't we have a Listen button beside our read button that when clicked will read the article for the person in question? There are 37 open source text-to-speech listed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-24 Thread Pine W
Hi James, Thanks for this suggestion. May I suggest that you post this idea in IdeaLab? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab Siko, cc'd here, might be able to help advise about possible development of this proposal. Thanks, Pine On Jan 24, 2015 2:21 PM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-24 Thread James Heilman
Okay have gone ahead and started a proposal here https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/A_%22Listen%22_Button J On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 9:08 PM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: Yes if there is no opposition to the idea I will post it to the IdeaLab. Thanks Pine :-) J On Sat,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-24 Thread MZMcBride
James Heilman wrote: While human read articles are great they quickly become out of date and are available for only a fraction of our articles. Yep. Why don't we have a Listen button beside our read button that when clicked will read the article for the person in question? I think this is an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-24 Thread Cristian Consonni
Il 24/Gen/2015 23:21 James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com ha scritto: While human read articles are great they quickly become out of date and are available for only a fraction of our articles. Why don't we have a Listen button beside our read button that when clicked will read the article for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-24 Thread James Heilman
Yes if there is no opposition to the idea I will post it to the IdeaLab. Thanks Pine :-) J On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi James, Thanks for this suggestion. May I suggest that you post this idea in IdeaLab?