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Am 13.08.2014 15:56 schrieb "Magnus Manske" :
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> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:51 AM, rupert THURNER
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> wrote:
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> > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Erik Moeller
wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Magnus Manske
>
14.08.2014, 13:33, "Ziko van Dijk" :
> Henning,
>
> "To describe Eric's action I am tempted to use a
> metaphor that includes black uniforms and heavy boots. But that would
> not be appropriately written by a German to a German."
>
> You may find yourself very smart with this kind of wording. Let
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Mike Godwin wrote:
> Henning writes:
>
> > To describe Eric's action I am tempted to use a
> > metaphor that includes black uniforms and heavy boots. But that would
> > not be appropriately written by a German to a German.
>
> My experience over the last quarter c
Henning writes:
> To describe Eric's action I am tempted to use a
> metaphor that includes black uniforms and heavy boots. But that would
> not be appropriately written by a German to a German.
My experience over the last quarter century suggests that this
metaphor rarely works out well.
--Mike
Henning,
"To describe Eric's action I am tempted to use a
metaphor that includes black uniforms and heavy boots. But that would
not be appropriately written by a German to a German."
You may find yourself very smart with this kind of wording. Let me
tell you from a North German to a North German:
On 12.08.2014 21:41, Magnus Manske wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Henning Schlottmann
> wrote:
>> This is serious. WMF really needs to appreciate the expertise of the
>> author community and accept their experience a important and valid. If
>> authors tell the WMF and particularly the
Am 13.08.2014 21:53 schrieb "Magnus Manske" :
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> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:20 PM, rupert THURNER
> wrote:
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> > Am 13.08.2014 15:56 schrieb "Magnus Manske" :
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:51 AM, rupert THURNER <
> > rupert.thur...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:20 PM, rupert THURNER
wrote:
> Am 13.08.2014 15:56 schrieb "Magnus Manske" :
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:51 AM, rupert THURNER <
> rupert.thur...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Erik Moeller
> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at
Am 13.08.2014 15:56 schrieb "Magnus Manske" :
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> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:51 AM, rupert THURNER
> wrote:
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> > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Erik Moeller
wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Magnus Manske
> > > wrote:
> > >> It's probably fine for "modern" viewing, although it's h
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:51 AM, rupert THURNER
wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Magnus Manske
> > wrote:
>
> >> Like many other "old hands", it seems to get in the way of my workflow.
> Not
> >> an issue for me, as long as I can
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Magnus Manske
> wrote:
>> Like many other "old hands", it seems to get in the way of my workflow. Not
>> an issue for me, as long as I can turn it off.
hehe, i suppose investing a million $$ to get you turni
2014-08-12 21:41 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske :
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Henning Schlottmann <
> h.schlottm...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
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> >
> > There is a common pattern in the conflicts between WMF and several
> > communities over software developments during the last few years. As I
> > wrote tw
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Magnus Manske wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Henning Schlottmann <
> h.schlottm...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
>
> > This is serious. WMF really needs to appreciate the expertise of the
> > author community and accept their experience a important and valid. If
>
All,
I just want to call your attention to Lila's statement at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:LilaTretikov#On_a_Scale_of_Billions
.
pb
*Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia
Foundation, Inc.
T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Phili
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Henning Schlottmann
wrote:
> On 12.08.2014 16:57, Magnus Manske wrote:
> > German Wikipedia had 1.1 billion page views in June [1]. ~300 votes (~2/3
> > against MediaViewer) do not represent the readers, IMHO.
>
> Claiming to speak for a perceived silent majority
It is very disheartening to see that active members of the community have
been Borged by the Foundation, and all tell the same story, albeit with
different levels of enthusiasm.
Quite possibly there are issues over configuration pages, but to implement
a super-protection feature *in the middle of
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Magnus Manske wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
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> >
> >
> > These changes will need to be carefully tested/validated. If you want
> > to take a look at an early early (!) prototype (!!), see
> > http://multimedia-alpha.wmflabs.org/w
Whoever believes that an administration of a crowdsourcing website can do
whatever they want just because they are running the website should recollect
what recently happened to Internet Brands and Wikitravel.
Popcorn, anyone?
Wikipedia is not an organization, and the WMF does not administer th
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
>
>
> These changes will need to be carefully tested/validated. If you want
> to take a look at an early early (!) prototype (!!), see
> http://multimedia-alpha.wmflabs.org/wiki/Lightbox_demo , but please
> note that anything but the basic view
On 12.08.2014 16:57, Magnus Manske wrote:
> German Wikipedia had 1.1 billion page views in June [1]. ~300 votes (~2/3
> against MediaViewer) do not represent the readers, IMHO.
Claiming to speak for a perceived silent majority will not help you much
in this discussion.
There is a common pattern i
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Magnus Manske
wrote:
> It's probably fine for "modern" viewing, although it's hard to guess that
> you get to the file page via the little Commons icon for people who (in all
> likelihood) have never seen that icon, or visited Commons.
Dear Magnus,
Thanks as alw
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Romaine Wiki
wrote:
> 2014-08-12 16:57 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske :
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> > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM, rupert THURNER <
> rupert.thur...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > so i did not vote. because i can live with both. but i do respect the
> > vote.
> > > i do res
2014-08-12 16:57 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske :
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM, rupert THURNER
> wrote:
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> > so i did not vote. because i can live with both. but i do respect the
> vote.
> > i do respect admin decisions, i even voted for some admins.
> >
> > at the end it is very simple. the one w
an order of magnitude difference between Internet Brands and WMF.
> > > Cheers,
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> > > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behal
On 12/08/2014 15:19, rupert THURNER wrote:
magnus, a vote always has 3 options.
* i am for it
* i am against it
* i can live with the outcome of the vote
No, there are other options.
* I didn't know the poll was happening
* I just want to get on with editing / reading Wikipedia (or sister
proj
nce between Internet Brands and WMF.
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Yaroslav M.
> Blanter
> > Sent: 12 August 2014 02:00 P
tude difference between Internet Brands and WMF.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Yaroslav M. Blanter
> Sent: 12 August 2014 02:00 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mai
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you
On 12.08.2014 02:26, svetlana wrote:
> If we accept the policy in principle, I don't care who enforces such
> policy, that be commu
On 12.08.2014 02:26, svetlana wrote:
If we accept the policy in principle, I don't care who enforces such
policy, that be community or WMF. Such policy does not go against
community entirely, unless WMF shows a will to reject community
patches related to issues which community finds important. W
FWIW, Lila's comments were made before the start of this email thread about
superprotect.
Pine
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Pine W wrote:
> Forwarding comments from Lila from
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALilaTretikov&diff=9454366&oldid=9339030
>
> All --
>
>
Forwarding comments from Lila from
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALilaTretikov&diff=9454366&oldid=9339030
All --
Thank you for your comments, criticism, support and advice on software that
you've collected in the RfCs. I agree that we need to improve both our
process and
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Philippe Beaudette <
pbeaude...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
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>
> > On Aug 11, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Todd Allen wrote:
> >
> > like suppression, it should be
> > used only by stewards and community approved functionaries.
>
>
> I'm confused. Are you suggesting that suppres
> On Aug 11, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Todd Allen wrote:
>
> like suppression, it should be
> used only by stewards and community approved functionaries.
I'm confused. Are you suggesting that suppression is not used by staff?
Super protection can be used by staff, and was. Suppression can be used
> On Aug 11, 2014 5:49 PM, "Tim Starling" wrote:
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> > On 11/08/14 21:49, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote:
> > John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
> > >> These patches only introduce a new policy,
> > >> signalling a new era, and make it technically more challenging to
> > >> bypass that new policy. The poli
Tim, I don't believe the issue was a failure to be clear. The problem is
the content of the change and its heavy handed enforcement.
Super protection either should not exist, or like suppression, it should be
used only by stewards and community approved functionaries.
On Aug 11, 2014 5:49 PM, "Tim
On 11/08/14 21:49, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 2:01 PM, John Mark Vandenberg
> wrote:
>> Now, the devs/ops have attempted to introduce that capability, and the
>> new functionality is very likely riddled with holes, some of which
>> MZMcBride has suggested in the thread '
On 11 August 2014 03:19, Pine W wrote:
> Lila,
>
> I hope you are aware of the issues being described in this thread. Would
> you please state your views on this situation?
>
> Pine
+1 It would be great to hear from Lila on the current decisions being
taken by her employees.
The discussion on th
l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you
The people who were actually responsible were the community. Erik was acting in
a preventative role to prevent further disruption not punish administrators.
The community. couldn't take no for an answer and what has happened?
* Whe
Lila,
I hope you are aware of the issues being described in this thread. Would
you please state your views on this situation?
Pine
On Aug 10, 2014 6:09 PM, "Tomasz W. Kozłowski"
wrote:
> On 11 August 2014 01:05, John Lewis wrote:
>
> > The people who were actually responsible were the community
On 11 August 2014 01:05, John Lewis wrote:
> The people who were actually responsible were the community. Erik was
> acting in a preventative role to prevent further disruption not punish
> administrators.
Erik was acting in a manner that is totally disgraceful. He should
have never used his forc
As long as we all stay friends!
On 11 Aug 2014 00:57, "MF-Warburg" wrote:
> Oh sorry, that was totally not the intention. It must be the strange beer
> here at the Thistle Barbecue hotel.
> Am 11.08.2014 00:54 schrieb "Richard Symonds" <
> richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk>:
>
> > MF-Warburg, that
Oh sorry, that was totally not the intention. It must be the strange beer
here at the Thistle Barbecue hotel.
Am 11.08.2014 00:54 schrieb "Richard Symonds" <
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk>:
> MF-Warburg, that came across as a bit rude...
> On 11 Aug 2014 00:29, "MF-Warburg" wrote:
>
> > Your m
MF-Warburg, that came across as a bit rude...
On 11 Aug 2014 00:29, "MF-Warburg" wrote:
> Your mail is embarrassing.
> If you think the foundation is like the parent of the community, you don't
> understand anything about the foundation nor the community.
> Am 11.08.2014 00:05 schrieb "John Lewis
Your mail is embarrassing.
If you think the foundation is like the parent of the community, you don't
understand anything about the foundation nor the community.
Am 11.08.2014 00:05 schrieb "John Lewis" :
> The people who were actually responsible were the community. Erik was
> acting in a prevent
The people who were actually responsible were the community. Erik was
acting in a preventative role to prevent further disruption not punish
administrators. The community. couldn't take no for an answer and what has
happened?
* Wheel/edit wars
* A new user right to prevent disruption
* A priviledg
Lets all welcome the new overlord Erik.
Add a new protection level called "superprotect"
Assigned to nobody by default. Requested by Erik Möller for the purposes
of protecting pages such that sysop permissions are not sufficient to
edit them.
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