Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[David Gerard]

On 22 July 2012 07:09, Mike  Dupont  wrote:

> The problem with new articles from these places, and like india is that
> they have a very high deletion rate, and we need a way to save them. I am
> willing to put work into the articles on bands, artists, movies, atheletes
> etc , but also websites to save them.


(this is getting a bit en:wp-specific, but anyway)

Robert Horning just raised this on the Village Pump - he wants to get
article incubation going again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28policy%29#Article_Incubation..._how_sould_it_be_done_or_even_if_it_should_be_done.3F

I answered that the main barrier was just having people willing to do
it. You may want to mention your interest there.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[David Gerard]

On 22 July 2012 04:16, John Vandenberg  wrote:

> Before trying to change New Page Patrol, you should try doing New Page
> Patrol for a few days.


+1

I'm broadly an inclusionist, but reading a few hours' Special:Newpages
is enough to have me breaking out the flamethrower. Anyone complaining
about new pages patrol needs to personally sample the firehose of
*mostly shit* that comes into Wikipedia.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Mike Dupont]

Hi,
I created the wika because the archive.org is so hard to use and slow. I
want to be able to share articles with people, and I have been contacting
all the twitter users to tell them about the articles (after checking and
updating them).

I want to host them, at least the good ones to give bands and things a
place to find themselves,
or to give the "non-notables" a home.

In fact, a few people have already found themselves via google or some
means and have updated thier articles. I bet that this should be good
enough to prevent them from recreating the articles on wp.

The technical details are here,
https://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/wiki/SpeedyDeletion
I created monthly
buckets, the most recent one is here:
http://archive.org/details/wikipedia-delete-v3-2012-07

If it turns out that too many articles that are copyvio are slipping
through, i could turn off the feed to wikia, yet keep the archive.org feed,
they are two separate processes.

Ideally we would agree on some tag to mark articles that would be worthy of
hosting, but not ready for wikipedia. We are pulling only some categories
directly.

mike

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Anthony  wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Mike  Dupont
>  wrote:
> > The articles are hosted on archive.org, and then transfered to wikia,
> > I could make some review tools, but where to host them?
> > mike
> >
> Well, why do you want to host them?  Or, more specifically, why do you
> want to host them somewhere other than archive.org?
>
> I definitely understand wanting to save the content of these articles
> just in case someone wants to work on fixing them.  Wikipedia's
> temporary undeletion process for people who wish to do this, is simply
> not convenient.  But archive.org seems to take care of that purpose
> just fine.
>
> If the *topic* is deemed "notable", just the article itself is of very
> poor quality, then once these have undergone manual review and
> intervention, the right place to host them would be back in Wikipedia.
>  It would also be nice to have a wiki for topics deemed by Wikipedia
> to be "not notable".  But this is a much different problem, and I
> don't believe it is served well by the autopopulation of mostly very
> low quality articles.
>
> Also, sorry if this was already answered, but where are they on
> archive.org?
>



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Anthony]

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Mike  Dupont
 wrote:
> The articles are hosted on archive.org, and then transfered to wikia,
> I could make some review tools, but where to host them?
> mike
>
Well, why do you want to host them?  Or, more specifically, why do you
want to host them somewhere other than archive.org?

I definitely understand wanting to save the content of these articles
just in case someone wants to work on fixing them.  Wikipedia's
temporary undeletion process for people who wish to do this, is simply
not convenient.  But archive.org seems to take care of that purpose
just fine.

If the *topic* is deemed "notable", just the article itself is of very
poor quality, then once these have undergone manual review and
intervention, the right place to host them would be back in Wikipedia.
 It would also be nice to have a wiki for topics deemed by Wikipedia
to be "not notable".  But this is a much different problem, and I
don't believe it is served well by the autopopulation of mostly very
low quality articles.

Also, sorry if this was already answered, but where are they on archive.org?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Mike Dupont]

Well I am listening, am open to criticism and willing to put work into
helping,

but as l long as I can continue legally and morally I will.

But I will have to spend more time to review the known copyright violations
and I am going to make some program to watch and flag articles that are
known problems.
The for me, getting deleted articles on my favorite topics make this
worthwhile.

The main issue is not notable, and as long as wikipedia as the policy of
deleting basically everyone from parts of the world, I will have a basis to
continue.

mike

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:32 AM, WereSpielChequers <
werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please reconsider your project. There is so much that can be done on
> Wikipedia to rescue articles worth rescuing that it would be a great waste
> to see time and energy diverted to unsalvageable articles.
>



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[WereSpielChequers]

>
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 21:33:31 +
> From: Mike  Dupont 
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched
> Message-ID:
>  m...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> John, and others.
>
> I have finally figured out a big problem with my plan. The articles for
> deletion are not tagged peoperly at all. There are authors who know for a
> fact that articles are mistagged and have no proper copyvio tagging, and
> now they are accusing me of hosting copyvio articles. I see this a problem
> in the wikipedia deletion system, if an editor knows for a fact that an
> articles is in violation of copyright then they should tag it as Such. I
> have written scripts to strip out artilces that are properly tagged. Lets
> sit down and work out a plan for a proper system of sorting out what is not
> notable, and waht is copyrightvio. I want to host the non notable artilces.
> My argument is that giving non-notable bands and actors etc an outlet to be
> hosted will reduce repeated reposting of articles. I have been sorting
> through all these articles, contacting people and many of them are
> thankful, I would be suprized if any of them would repost the deleted
> article, like the Jack Psyco from .au, someone reposted his article many
> many times.
> Please support me in cleaning up the deletion and tagging process, I am
> willing to put some work into this. I can write code as well.
> Some people have asked me not to use the mailing list, but I wanted to
> bring up this up in response to your mail.
>
> Please see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdupont/SpeedyDeletionWikia
> and
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mdupont#Speedy_backup_-_copyvios_and_attack_pages.3F
>
> thanks
> mike
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:00 AM, John Vandenberg  wrote:


Hi Mike, with all due respect we don't have the volunteers to do what you
will need, and I doubt you would be able to recruit them yourself. Take one
example, if an article clearly qualifies for A7 deletion as not asserting
importance or significance then please don't rely on us to also check it
for copyvio. An article that asserts that a footballer has only played for
minor clubs, or that a band will be the next big thing on the Great Malvern
Grunge scene as soon as they've recruited a drummer will be deleted per A7.
 Yes we need to check that this isn't the result of vandalism, and yes
there are people not notable for their music career who are otherwise
notable as Prime Ministers etc. But if an article clearly qualifies for A7
deletion then we currently have no need to also check it for copyvio. I'm
sure if someone went through the thousands of pages that I've deleted there
would be quite a few  where copyvio could have been added as an additional
deletion reason.

Please reconsider your project. There is so much that can be done on
Wikipedia to rescue articles worth rescuing that it would be a great waste
to see time and energy diverted to unsalvageable articles.

WSC
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Mike Dupont]

Thanks John,

Thanks for your feedback, that is a good suggestion. working on New Page
Patrol.

I have been doing alot of work on this myself and have saved  a bunch of
bands etc, been contacting people on twitter and it seems that there has
been a good feedback.

Non Profit website sounds great, but I have no funds for this, Ideally we
would find a way to solve this problem.

The issue here that got me started was trying to promote wikipedia in
kosovo and albania. Did you know that people started a new group to support
wikipedia in albania, similar to flossk? http://openlabs.cc/

The problem with new articles from these places, and like india is that
they have a very high deletion rate, and we need a way to save them. I am
willing to put work into the articles on bands, artists, movies, atheletes
etc , but also websites to save them.

We just need to make a clear distinction between not-notable and what is
illegal.

mike


On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 3:16 AM, John Vandenberg  wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> You are going to find it difficult to find people who want to give
> their time to your project, as the cost benefit ratio is very low.  If
> people had more time, they would be spending it rescuing the articles
> before deletion (on a non-profit wesbsite), rather than preparing them
> for rescuing after deletion (on a for-profit website).
>
> By reposting the content somewhere else, you are taking responsibility
> for it.  And by hosting it, Wikia is also taking responsibility for
> it.
>
> And that responsibility requires you to work with the existing system,
> warts and all.  Even good changes to the system will take a long time
> to become standard practise.
>
> Before trying to change New Page Patrol, you should try doing New Page
> Patrol for a few days.
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Mike  Dupont
>  wrote:
> > John, and others.
> >
> > I have finally figured out a big problem with my plan. The articles for
> > deletion are not tagged peoperly at all. There are authors who know for a
> > fact that articles are mistagged and have no proper copyvio tagging, and
> > now they are accusing me of hosting copyvio articles. I see this a
> problem
> > in the wikipedia deletion system, if an editor knows for a fact that an
> > articles is in violation of copyright then they should tag it as Such. I
> > have written scripts to strip out artilces that are properly tagged. Lets
> > sit down and work out a plan for a proper system of sorting out what is
> not
> > notable, and waht is copyrightvio. I want to host the non notable
> artilces.
> > My argument is that giving non-notable bands and actors etc an outlet to
> be
> > hosted will reduce repeated reposting of articles. I have been sorting
> > through all these articles, contacting people and many of them are
> > thankful, I would be suprized if any of them would repost the deleted
> > article, like the Jack Psyco from .au, someone reposted his article many
> > many times.
> > Please support me in cleaning up the deletion and tagging process, I am
> > willing to put some work into this. I can write code as well.
> > Some people have asked me not to use the mailing list, but I wanted to
> > bring up this up in response to your mail.
> >
> > Please see
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdupont/SpeedyDeletionWikia
> > and
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mdupont#Speedy_backup_-_copyvios_and_attack_pages.3F
> >
> > thanks
> > mike
> > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:00 AM, John Vandenberg 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I think we need to ensure that BLP deletions are tagged appropriately.
> >>
> >> and this wikia needs to err on the side of caution in order to avoid
> >> causing subjects further grief in their pursuit to remove problematic
> >> content from Wikipedia.  i.e. if someone jumps through all the hoops
> >> to *help* us remove problematic content from Wikipedia, they are not
> >> going to be happy to learn that the same content has appeared on Wikia
> >> - its confusing, and they will blame Wikipedia, and IMO they are right
> >> to do so as this Wikia is run by people in the Wikimedia community,
> >> and due to the overlap in the WMF board and Wikia board, now and
> >> historically.
> >>
> >> e.g. this AFD mentioned "WP:BLP1E" and was categorised into "AfD
> >> debates (Biographical)"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alexander_Kinyua
> >> http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Alexander_Kinyua
> >>
> >> Until we are confident that BLP problems are not being imported into
> >> the wikia, the content shouldnt be indexed.  I assume  __NOINDEX__
> >> works on Wikia?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Newyorkbrad 
> >> wrote:
> >> > Although I can understand the appeal of this concept, I am concerned
> >> > that a deleted-articles wiki or site will perpetuate the publicity
> >> > given to pages that are properly deleted from Wikipedia because they
> >> > contain offensive personal attacks, harassment, cyberbullyi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Mike Dupont]

On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 10:27 PM, geni  wrote:

> On 21 July 2012 22:33, Mike  Dupont 
> wrote:
> > John, and others.
> >
> > I have finally figured out a big problem with my plan. The articles for
> > deletion are not tagged peoperly at all. There are authors who know for a
> > fact that articles are mistagged and have no proper copyvio tagging, and
> > now they are accusing me of hosting copyvio articles. I see this a
> problem
> > in the wikipedia deletion system, if an editor knows for a fact that an
> > articles is in violation of copyright then they should tag it as Such. I
> > have written scripts to strip out artilces that are properly tagged. Lets
> > sit down and work out a plan for a proper system of sorting out what is
> not
> > notable, and waht is copyrightvio.
>
> Not going to happen. The reality is that people deleting articles are
> going to opt for the option that takes the least effort on their part.
> And A7 beats out G12 in that case.


Ok, well i understand that people dont want extra work, but I think  we can
work on some process and software. It might happend.


> The other issue is that OTRS, who's
> opinions we care about a lot more, complain when people go the other
> way (deleting things as copyvios rather than going through AFD).
>

Is there any way to tag them like that? can we mark them?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Mike Dupont]

The articles are hosted on archive.org, and then transfered to wikia,
I could make some review tools, but where to host them?
mike

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Anthony  wrote:

> While I think you have a good idea (similar to one that I myself did
> several years ago, and eventually abandoned for the very problems
> you're dealing with now), I don't think putting these pages directly
> into Wikia is going to work.  If you decide to store the articles
> somewhere more private, at least until they are manually reviewed, let
> me know.  By "more private" I mean, at a minimum, not listed in search
> engines.
>
> Have you looked into hosting the articles at Internet Archive?  This
> seems like a better place than Wikia, at least before the articles are
> manually reviewed.
>
> On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Mike  Dupont
>  wrote:
> > John, and others.
> >
> > I have finally figured out a big problem with my plan. The articles for
> > deletion are not tagged peoperly at all. There are authors who know for a
> > fact that articles are mistagged and have no proper copyvio tagging, and
> > now they are accusing me of hosting copyvio articles. I see this a
> problem
> > in the wikipedia deletion system, if an editor knows for a fact that an
> > articles is in violation of copyright then they should tag it as Such. I
> > have written scripts to strip out artilces that are properly tagged. Lets
> > sit down and work out a plan for a proper system of sorting out what is
> not
> > notable, and waht is copyrightvio. I want to host the non notable
> artilces.
> > My argument is that giving non-notable bands and actors etc an outlet to
> be
> > hosted will reduce repeated reposting of articles. I have been sorting
> > through all these articles, contacting people and many of them are
> > thankful, I would be suprized if any of them would repost the deleted
> > article, like the Jack Psyco from .au, someone reposted his article many
> > many times.
> > Please support me in cleaning up the deletion and tagging process, I am
> > willing to put some work into this. I can write code as well.
> > Some people have asked me not to use the mailing list, but I wanted to
> > bring up this up in response to your mail.
> >
> > Please see
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdupont/SpeedyDeletionWikia
> > and
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mdupont#Speedy_backup_-_copyvios_and_attack_pages.3F
> >
> > thanks
> > mike
>



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[John Vandenberg]

Hi Mike,

You are going to find it difficult to find people who want to give
their time to your project, as the cost benefit ratio is very low.  If
people had more time, they would be spending it rescuing the articles
before deletion (on a non-profit wesbsite), rather than preparing them
for rescuing after deletion (on a for-profit website).

By reposting the content somewhere else, you are taking responsibility
for it.  And by hosting it, Wikia is also taking responsibility for
it.

And that responsibility requires you to work with the existing system,
warts and all.  Even good changes to the system will take a long time
to become standard practise.

Before trying to change New Page Patrol, you should try doing New Page
Patrol for a few days.

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Mike  Dupont
 wrote:
> John, and others.
>
> I have finally figured out a big problem with my plan. The articles for
> deletion are not tagged peoperly at all. There are authors who know for a
> fact that articles are mistagged and have no proper copyvio tagging, and
> now they are accusing me of hosting copyvio articles. I see this a problem
> in the wikipedia deletion system, if an editor knows for a fact that an
> articles is in violation of copyright then they should tag it as Such. I
> have written scripts to strip out artilces that are properly tagged. Lets
> sit down and work out a plan for a proper system of sorting out what is not
> notable, and waht is copyrightvio. I want to host the non notable artilces.
> My argument is that giving non-notable bands and actors etc an outlet to be
> hosted will reduce repeated reposting of articles. I have been sorting
> through all these articles, contacting people and many of them are
> thankful, I would be suprized if any of them would repost the deleted
> article, like the Jack Psyco from .au, someone reposted his article many
> many times.
> Please support me in cleaning up the deletion and tagging process, I am
> willing to put some work into this. I can write code as well.
> Some people have asked me not to use the mailing list, but I wanted to
> bring up this up in response to your mail.
>
> Please see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdupont/SpeedyDeletionWikia
> and
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mdupont#Speedy_backup_-_copyvios_and_attack_pages.3F
>
> thanks
> mike
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:00 AM, John Vandenberg  wrote:
>
>> I think we need to ensure that BLP deletions are tagged appropriately.
>>
>> and this wikia needs to err on the side of caution in order to avoid
>> causing subjects further grief in their pursuit to remove problematic
>> content from Wikipedia.  i.e. if someone jumps through all the hoops
>> to *help* us remove problematic content from Wikipedia, they are not
>> going to be happy to learn that the same content has appeared on Wikia
>> - its confusing, and they will blame Wikipedia, and IMO they are right
>> to do so as this Wikia is run by people in the Wikimedia community,
>> and due to the overlap in the WMF board and Wikia board, now and
>> historically.
>>
>> e.g. this AFD mentioned "WP:BLP1E" and was categorised into "AfD
>> debates (Biographical)"
>>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alexander_Kinyua
>> http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Alexander_Kinyua
>>
>> Until we are confident that BLP problems are not being imported into
>> the wikia, the content shouldnt be indexed.  I assume  __NOINDEX__
>> works on Wikia?
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Newyorkbrad 
>> wrote:
>> > Although I can understand the appeal of this concept, I am concerned
>> > that a deleted-articles wiki or site will perpetuate the publicity
>> > given to pages that are properly deleted from Wikipedia because they
>> > contain offensive personal attacks, harassment, cyberbullying,
>> > defamation, and BLP violations. These are not always flagged in the
>> > deletion grounds, especially in speedy situations (e.g. if a harassing
>> > or defamatory article does not assert the subject's notability, it
>> > will often be deleted on that ground without its being tagged as an
>> > attack page, etc.). This issue strikes me as extremely serious. How do
>> > you plan to address it?
>> >
>> > Newyorkbrad
>> >
>> > On 6/10/12, Mike  Dupont  wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >> I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30
>> minutes
>> >> with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable
>> and
>> >> hoaxes, not others).
>> >> it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are
>> all
>> >> on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam
>> codebases.
>> >> hope you enjoy it,
>> >> thanks,
>> >> mike
>> >> --
>> >> James Michael DuPont
>> >> Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org
>> >> Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org
>> >> Mozilla Rep https://reps.mozilla.org/u/h4ck3rm1k3
>> >> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Anthony]

While I think you have a good idea (similar to one that I myself did
several years ago, and eventually abandoned for the very problems
you're dealing with now), I don't think putting these pages directly
into Wikia is going to work.  If you decide to store the articles
somewhere more private, at least until they are manually reviewed, let
me know.  By "more private" I mean, at a minimum, not listed in search
engines.

Have you looked into hosting the articles at Internet Archive?  This
seems like a better place than Wikia, at least before the articles are
manually reviewed.

On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Mike  Dupont
 wrote:
> John, and others.
>
> I have finally figured out a big problem with my plan. The articles for
> deletion are not tagged peoperly at all. There are authors who know for a
> fact that articles are mistagged and have no proper copyvio tagging, and
> now they are accusing me of hosting copyvio articles. I see this a problem
> in the wikipedia deletion system, if an editor knows for a fact that an
> articles is in violation of copyright then they should tag it as Such. I
> have written scripts to strip out artilces that are properly tagged. Lets
> sit down and work out a plan for a proper system of sorting out what is not
> notable, and waht is copyrightvio. I want to host the non notable artilces.
> My argument is that giving non-notable bands and actors etc an outlet to be
> hosted will reduce repeated reposting of articles. I have been sorting
> through all these articles, contacting people and many of them are
> thankful, I would be suprized if any of them would repost the deleted
> article, like the Jack Psyco from .au, someone reposted his article many
> many times.
> Please support me in cleaning up the deletion and tagging process, I am
> willing to put some work into this. I can write code as well.
> Some people have asked me not to use the mailing list, but I wanted to
> bring up this up in response to your mail.
>
> Please see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdupont/SpeedyDeletionWikia
> and
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mdupont#Speedy_backup_-_copyvios_and_attack_pages.3F
>
> thanks
> mike

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[geni]

On 21 July 2012 22:33, Mike  Dupont  wrote:
> John, and others.
>
> I have finally figured out a big problem with my plan. The articles for
> deletion are not tagged peoperly at all. There are authors who know for a
> fact that articles are mistagged and have no proper copyvio tagging, and
> now they are accusing me of hosting copyvio articles. I see this a problem
> in the wikipedia deletion system, if an editor knows for a fact that an
> articles is in violation of copyright then they should tag it as Such. I
> have written scripts to strip out artilces that are properly tagged. Lets
> sit down and work out a plan for a proper system of sorting out what is not
> notable, and waht is copyrightvio.

Not going to happen. The reality is that people deleting articles are
going to opt for the option that takes the least effort on their part.
And A7 beats out G12 in that case. The other issue is that OTRS, who's
opinions we care about a lot more, complain when people go the other
way (deleting things as copyvios rather than going through AFD).


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[Mike Dupont]

John, and others.

I have finally figured out a big problem with my plan. The articles for
deletion are not tagged peoperly at all. There are authors who know for a
fact that articles are mistagged and have no proper copyvio tagging, and
now they are accusing me of hosting copyvio articles. I see this a problem
in the wikipedia deletion system, if an editor knows for a fact that an
articles is in violation of copyright then they should tag it as Such. I
have written scripts to strip out artilces that are properly tagged. Lets
sit down and work out a plan for a proper system of sorting out what is not
notable, and waht is copyrightvio. I want to host the non notable artilces.
My argument is that giving non-notable bands and actors etc an outlet to be
hosted will reduce repeated reposting of articles. I have been sorting
through all these articles, contacting people and many of them are
thankful, I would be suprized if any of them would repost the deleted
article, like the Jack Psyco from .au, someone reposted his article many
many times.
Please support me in cleaning up the deletion and tagging process, I am
willing to put some work into this. I can write code as well.
Some people have asked me not to use the mailing list, but I wanted to
bring up this up in response to your mail.

Please see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdupont/SpeedyDeletionWikia
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mdupont#Speedy_backup_-_copyvios_and_attack_pages.3F

thanks
mike
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:00 AM, John Vandenberg  wrote:

> I think we need to ensure that BLP deletions are tagged appropriately.
>
> and this wikia needs to err on the side of caution in order to avoid
> causing subjects further grief in their pursuit to remove problematic
> content from Wikipedia.  i.e. if someone jumps through all the hoops
> to *help* us remove problematic content from Wikipedia, they are not
> going to be happy to learn that the same content has appeared on Wikia
> - its confusing, and they will blame Wikipedia, and IMO they are right
> to do so as this Wikia is run by people in the Wikimedia community,
> and due to the overlap in the WMF board and Wikia board, now and
> historically.
>
> e.g. this AFD mentioned "WP:BLP1E" and was categorised into "AfD
> debates (Biographical)"
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alexander_Kinyua
> http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Alexander_Kinyua
>
> Until we are confident that BLP problems are not being imported into
> the wikia, the content shouldnt be indexed.  I assume  __NOINDEX__
> works on Wikia?
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Newyorkbrad 
> wrote:
> > Although I can understand the appeal of this concept, I am concerned
> > that a deleted-articles wiki or site will perpetuate the publicity
> > given to pages that are properly deleted from Wikipedia because they
> > contain offensive personal attacks, harassment, cyberbullying,
> > defamation, and BLP violations. These are not always flagged in the
> > deletion grounds, especially in speedy situations (e.g. if a harassing
> > or defamatory article does not assert the subject's notability, it
> > will often be deleted on that ground without its being tagged as an
> > attack page, etc.). This issue strikes me as extremely serious. How do
> > you plan to address it?
> >
> > Newyorkbrad
> >
> > On 6/10/12, Mike  Dupont  wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30
> minutes
> >> with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable
> and
> >> hoaxes, not others).
> >> it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are
> all
> >> on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam
> codebases.
> >> hope you enjoy it,
> >> thanks,
> >> mike
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[Mike Dupont]

Well, lets see the speedy deletion wiki was just launched,
15 December 2010  it was deleted. I will have to make a plan for
getting older articles, they would be possible to get, but it is
outside of our time window right now.
mike

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:48 AM, David Richfield
 wrote:
>
> I'm actually really shocked that the speedy deletion wiki doesn't have
> a copy of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Juclandia - there's
> an excellent version of the article on
> http://microwiki.org.uk/index.php?title=Juclandia , though, so all is
> not lost. [it seems to be a monstrously elaborate page about some
> kid's bedroom kingdom, by the way.]
>
> But seriously, my point is that you don't need to pick up the crumbs
> that are swept off Wikipedia's table to allow people the space to
> indulge their creative spirits.  There are other wikis that will open
> their doors.
>
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[David Richfield]

I'm actually really shocked that the speedy deletion wiki doesn't have
a copy of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Juclandia - there's
an excellent version of the article on
http://microwiki.org.uk/index.php?title=Juclandia , though, so all is
not lost. [it seems to be a monstrously elaborate page about some
kid's bedroom kingdom, by the way.]

But seriously, my point is that you don't need to pick up the crumbs
that are swept off Wikipedia's table to allow people the space to
indulge their creative spirits.  There are other wikis that will open
their doors.

David

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Mike Dupont]

ok kim,
thanks again for your constructive feedback, and thanks to everyone who has
given input. It is great to have a supportive group of people like you to
talk to.

now i have upgraded the code, including templates and full history. It gets
all new articles not seen before every 10 minutes.
Also the uploading to the wikia is working but without the history. I think
this is a good deal. for the articles that we dont have the history for,
people can ask an admin for restoring the history if they really want it, I
dont have it for the old articles.
Here is an example new dump :
http://archive.org/download/wikipedia-delete-2012-06/wtarchive130612111041.zip

code is here github.com/h4ck3rm1k3/pywikipediabot and
github.com/h4ck3rm1k3/wikiteam

mike

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Mike Dupont  wrote:

> yes, good point, and while checking this I found a problem.
>
> it turns out that up to now I dont have the full history, I have modified
> the extractor to pull the full version. For the other articles, I dont have
> the full history.
>
> mike
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Kim Bruning wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 05:44:40AM +, Mike Dupont wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Again the full history is available on archive.org and i think that no
>> one
>> > is going to think that this data is from me, it is clearly marked as
>> being
>> > from wikipedia.
>>
>> ps. It occurs to me that if the full history is available on archive.org,
>> that
>> linking to the relevant archive.org data might be adequate.
>>
>>
>>
>> sincerely,
>>Kim Bruning
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[Mike Dupont]

yes, good point, and while checking this I found a problem.

it turns out that up to now I dont have the full history, I have modified
the extractor to pull the full version. For the other articles, I dont have
the full history.

mike


On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Kim Bruning  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 05:44:40AM +, Mike Dupont wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Again the full history is available on archive.org and i think that no
> one
> > is going to think that this data is from me, it is clearly marked as
> being
> > from wikipedia.
>
> ps. It occurs to me that if the full history is available on archive.org,
> that
> linking to the relevant archive.org data might be adequate.
>
>
>
> sincerely,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Kim Bruning]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 05:44:40AM +, Mike Dupont wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Again the full history is available on archive.org and i think that no one
> is going to think that this data is from me, it is clearly marked as being
> from wikipedia.

ps. It occurs to me that if the full history is available on archive.org, that
linking to the relevant archive.org data might be adequate.



sincerely,
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[Kim Bruning]

In theory, yes. However, if you're fetching page dumps conforming to the schema 
at
http://www.mediawiki.org/xml/export-0.6/ 
http://www.mediawiki.org/xml/export-0.6.xsd

to some extent you've already got all the information anyway. It *almost* takes 
more work
to filter out just the authors. :-P

If you're getting page data in some different format, sure. :-)

sincerely,
Kim Bruning


On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:47:31AM +0100, Thomas Morton wrote:
> This has been debated numerous times; to what extent does the attribution
> have to relate to the exact contribution of each author.
> 
> A list of authors has been considered acceptable in the past (including
> on-wiki).
> 
> Tom
> 
> On 12 June 2012 23:48, Kim Bruning  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 05:44:40AM +, Mike Dupont wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Again the full history is available on archive.org and i think that no
> > one
> > > is going to think that this data is from me, it is clearly marked as
> > being
> > > from wikipedia.
> >
> >
> > You are very concientious, and normally this would indeed be adequate (not
> > perfect,
> > but definitely adequate :)
> >
> > It is adequate because wikipedia itself retains full attribution
> > information in
> > page history. One can follow the chain from the copy back to the wikipedia
> > original
> > back to the page history and voila, more than you ever wanted to know.
> >
> > The problem with deleted/hidden articles on en.wp is that the history
> > information
> > is also deleted/hidden; and therefore the attribution chain is broken.
> >
> > Attribution information is important for legal and open content reasons of
> > course.
> >
> > Is it possible to keep a copy of page history somewhere also?
> >
> > I know the mediawiki export/import functions support this, and work
> > via GET request.
> > see
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export
> >
> > eg:
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export/Train
> >
> > sincerely,
> >Kim Bruning
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[Thomas Morton]

This has been debated numerous times; to what extent does the attribution
have to relate to the exact contribution of each author.

A list of authors has been considered acceptable in the past (including
on-wiki).

Tom

On 12 June 2012 23:48, Kim Bruning  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 05:44:40AM +, Mike Dupont wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Again the full history is available on archive.org and i think that no
> one
> > is going to think that this data is from me, it is clearly marked as
> being
> > from wikipedia.
>
>
> You are very concientious, and normally this would indeed be adequate (not
> perfect,
> but definitely adequate :)
>
> It is adequate because wikipedia itself retains full attribution
> information in
> page history. One can follow the chain from the copy back to the wikipedia
> original
> back to the page history and voila, more than you ever wanted to know.
>
> The problem with deleted/hidden articles on en.wp is that the history
> information
> is also deleted/hidden; and therefore the attribution chain is broken.
>
> Attribution information is important for legal and open content reasons of
> course.
>
> Is it possible to keep a copy of page history somewhere also?
>
> I know the mediawiki export/import functions support this, and work
> via GET request.
> see
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export
>
> eg:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export/Train
>
> sincerely,
>Kim Bruning
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Kim Bruning]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 05:44:40AM +, Mike Dupont wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Again the full history is available on archive.org and i think that no one
> is going to think that this data is from me, it is clearly marked as being
> from wikipedia.


You are very concientious, and normally this would indeed be adequate (not 
perfect,
but definitely adequate :)

It is adequate because wikipedia itself retains full attribution information in
page history. One can follow the chain from the copy back to the wikipedia 
original
back to the page history and voila, more than you ever wanted to know.

The problem with deleted/hidden articles on en.wp is that the history 
information
is also deleted/hidden; and therefore the attribution chain is broken.

Attribution information is important for legal and open content reasons of
course.

Is it possible to keep a copy of page history somewhere also?

I know the mediawiki export/import functions support this, and work 
via GET request.
see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export

eg:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export/Train

sincerely,
Kim Bruning

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[Anthony]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Tarc Meridian  wrote:
>
> This  has been tried before, i.e. wikialpha.org.  Pages are speedily deleted 
> for a reason, many of them quite properly so.  Moving potentially libelous 
> BLP attack pages and other sundry junk to a publicly viewable wiki is not a 
> very well-thought-out idea.

Every new article is potentially libelous.

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[Mike Dupont]

Hi there,
I am still waiting for some ok to install it on toolserver, the source is
open, you can run it as well. I dont plan on going for other wikis until i
get one down perfect.
In terms of license, i am just using a template for that, I have not
thought about gfdl much but I dont want to change the license, just make
the data available,
feel free to update the templates as needed, thanks,
mike

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Strainu  wrote:

> 2012/6/10 Mike  Dupont :
> > Hi,
> > I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
> > with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
> > hoaxes, not others).
>
> Hey Mike,
>
> Great idea, do you plan to extend it to other wikis?
>
> Also, I see that you only make the content available as CCBYSA, which
> might be a problem if someone decided to use the deleted content back
> into Wikipedia (well, not so much a problem as a complication for
> reusers). Perhaps you could consider releasing the content also unde
> GFDL where it applies?
>
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[Strainu]

2012/6/10 Mike  Dupont :
> Hi,
> I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
> with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
> hoaxes, not others).

Hey Mike,

Great idea, do you plan to extend it to other wikis?

Also, I see that you only make the content available as CCBYSA, which
might be a problem if someone decided to use the deleted content back
into Wikipedia (well, not so much a problem as a complication for
reusers). Perhaps you could consider releasing the content also unde
GFDL where it applies?

Strainu

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[Mike Dupont]

Yes, you are raising very good points, I will have to take on the
responsibility to put more work into this, I hope that other people will
help curate the leftovers.
my contact address is on the disclaimer on the main page and anyone is free
to edit and blank out articles that are a problem.
there are some gems in that muck however, and I intend to help them out of
the dirt.
thanks,
mike

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Andrew Gray wrote:

> On 11 June 2012 08:40, Mike  Dupont 
> wrote:
> > After rereading your question, it boils down to if the tags are wrong. If
> > the tags are wrong we will have to deal with them on a case by case
> issue,
> > and I see that we will have to do more finer tagging of articles to be
> > deleted, I hope that this will be the outcome of my effort to see that
> > articles that are properly tagged and deleted according to a fair and
> > transparent set of rules. lets work on this together to make the
> wikipedia
> > better.
>
> There's a couple of problems here.
>
> One is that speedy deletion tags don't often get stacked - if people
> see something that fills two criteria, they'll often tag them with
> just one, and usually prefer the "clearer" criteria, the one with less
> subjectivity about interpretation. Usually, this is seen with "copyvio
> + not notable" = only tag for copyvio; but it also manifests itself in
> the cases Brad mentions - not notable + negatively slanted = usually
> tagged for notability rather than negativity. This is a problem,
> because understandably most of the cases you want to *keep* are the
> "not-notable" ones...
>
> Secondly, some admins will delete abusive material on sight without
> waiting to tag it (which is skirting around best practice, but widely
> accepted for unambiguously "bad" content), and some people prefer to
> use "hand-written" CSD reasons. Both of these may end up with
> harder-to-interpret deletion logs (they don't contain the codes) - I'm
> not sure how your system works with these.
>
> > What is the current policy now? you have articles in dumps that contain
> > these offending materials i presume if they are not that new. What is the
> > difference between a dump on wikpedia and a dump on archive.org, and a
> dump
> > on wikia?
>
> The difference is that one is a hard-to-accidentally-stumble-across
> dump, and one is a publicly readable website ;-)
>
> I do not believe there are active moves to remove material from older
> dumps. *However*, the damage from problematic material surviving in
> dumps is relatively low, because most speedily deleted material tends
> never to make it into a dump.
>
> Let's assume dumps are twice-weekly. If every article tagged for
> speedy deletion "on creation" lasts for six hours before being
> removed, then there's approximately a 1/60 chance of it being around
> to when the dump triggers. By contrast, around 50% of articles marked
> with PROD just after creation will survive into the dump, even if
> deleted, and substantially over 50% of articles put through AFD on
> creation will be dumped even if deleted, because the frequency of
> relisting means many of them are tagged for two weeks.
>
> As a result, CSD material - which is where the worst content usually
> is - is much less likely to get dumped than AFD material.
>
> Some dumped abusive material does make it out onto reuse sites,
> though, and it's an incredible pain to deal with - people find it a
> year or two later, mirrored on an abandoned ad-farm website, and write
> us distressed letters about trying to get it removed. We can't do
> anything about it - these sites are usually completely uncontactable
> and don't care anyway - and it's quite an unpleasant experience for
> all concerned.
>
> If you're going to expose these on wikia as well as making archive
> files, I'd strongly recommend you give a clearly visible contact
> address to have material removed if needed - it'll save everyone
> involved lot of stress in future!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Andrew Gray]

On 11 June 2012 08:40, Mike  Dupont  wrote:
> After rereading your question, it boils down to if the tags are wrong. If
> the tags are wrong we will have to deal with them on a case by case issue,
> and I see that we will have to do more finer tagging of articles to be
> deleted, I hope that this will be the outcome of my effort to see that
> articles that are properly tagged and deleted according to a fair and
> transparent set of rules. lets work on this together to make the wikipedia
> better.

There's a couple of problems here.

One is that speedy deletion tags don't often get stacked - if people
see something that fills two criteria, they'll often tag them with
just one, and usually prefer the "clearer" criteria, the one with less
subjectivity about interpretation. Usually, this is seen with "copyvio
+ not notable" = only tag for copyvio; but it also manifests itself in
the cases Brad mentions - not notable + negatively slanted = usually
tagged for notability rather than negativity. This is a problem,
because understandably most of the cases you want to *keep* are the
"not-notable" ones...

Secondly, some admins will delete abusive material on sight without
waiting to tag it (which is skirting around best practice, but widely
accepted for unambiguously "bad" content), and some people prefer to
use "hand-written" CSD reasons. Both of these may end up with
harder-to-interpret deletion logs (they don't contain the codes) - I'm
not sure how your system works with these.

> What is the current policy now? you have articles in dumps that contain
> these offending materials i presume if they are not that new. What is the
> difference between a dump on wikpedia and a dump on archive.org, and a dump
> on wikia?

The difference is that one is a hard-to-accidentally-stumble-across
dump, and one is a publicly readable website ;-)

I do not believe there are active moves to remove material from older
dumps. *However*, the damage from problematic material surviving in
dumps is relatively low, because most speedily deleted material tends
never to make it into a dump.

Let's assume dumps are twice-weekly. If every article tagged for
speedy deletion "on creation" lasts for six hours before being
removed, then there's approximately a 1/60 chance of it being around
to when the dump triggers. By contrast, around 50% of articles marked
with PROD just after creation will survive into the dump, even if
deleted, and substantially over 50% of articles put through AFD on
creation will be dumped even if deleted, because the frequency of
relisting means many of them are tagged for two weeks.

As a result, CSD material - which is where the worst content usually
is - is much less likely to get dumped than AFD material.

Some dumped abusive material does make it out onto reuse sites,
though, and it's an incredible pain to deal with - people find it a
year or two later, mirrored on an abandoned ad-farm website, and write
us distressed letters about trying to get it removed. We can't do
anything about it - these sites are usually completely uncontactable
and don't care anyway - and it's quite an unpleasant experience for
all concerned.

If you're going to expose these on wikia as well as making archive
files, I'd strongly recommend you give a clearly visible contact
address to have material removed if needed - it'll save everyone
involved lot of stress in future!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Thomas Morton]

Indeed; and so it was...

{{facepalm}}

Tom

On 11 June 2012 17:32, Mike Dupont  wrote:

> here is one that is worth keeping!
> http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Rootstrikers
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:57 PM, emijrp  wrote:
>
> > Mike is the terror of deletionists.
> >
> > Good work.
> >
> > 2012/6/10 Mike Dupont 
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30
> minutes
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> and
> > > hoaxes, not others).
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> > all
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Mike Dupont]

here is one that is worth keeping!
http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Rootstrikers

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:57 PM, emijrp  wrote:

> Mike is the terror of deletionists.
>
> Good work.
>
> 2012/6/10 Mike Dupont 
>
> > Hi,
> > I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
> > with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
> > hoaxes, not others).
> > it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are
> all
> > on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam codebases.
> > hope you enjoy it,
> > thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[emijrp]

Mike is the terror of deletionists.

Good work.

2012/6/10 Mike Dupont 

> Hi,
> I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
> with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
> hoaxes, not others).
> it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are all
> on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam codebases.
> hope you enjoy it,
> thanks,
> mike
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Mike Dupont]

Well, there are already articles showing up on my pet topic of kosovo and
albania, they would be lost otherwise, so I would say it is working for me.
mike

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Tarc Meridian  wrote:

>
> This  has been tried before, i.e. wikialpha.org.  Pages are speedily
> deleted for a reason, many of them quite properly so.  Moving potentially
> libelous BLP attack pages and other sundry junk to a publicly viewable wiki
> is not a very well-thought-out idea.
>
>
> > From: jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
> > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 07:37:24 +
> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched
> >
> > Hi,
> > I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
> > with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
> > hoaxes, not others).
> > it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are
> all
> > on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam codebases.
> > hope you enjoy it,
> > thanks,
> > mike
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Mike Dupont]

Well, showing up on wikia is one thing, that should be easy, to fix, and
even after the fact we can update the wikia and remove articles, there are
not so many of them.

we need a list of categories that can be archived or not. John you are
saying WP:BLP1E should be excluded? is there a specific tag or text to look
for?
What about a simple tag or category like "bin it!".

thanks,
mike

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:00 AM, John Vandenberg  wrote:

> I think we need to ensure that BLP deletions are tagged appropriately.
>
> and this wikia needs to err on the side of caution in order to avoid
> causing subjects further grief in their pursuit to remove problematic
> content from Wikipedia.  i.e. if someone jumps through all the hoops
> to *help* us remove problematic content from Wikipedia, they are not
> going to be happy to learn that the same content has appeared on Wikia
> - its confusing, and they will blame Wikipedia, and IMO they are right
> to do so as this Wikia is run by people in the Wikimedia community,
> and due to the overlap in the WMF board and Wikia board, now and
> historically.
>
> e.g. this AFD mentioned "WP:BLP1E" and was categorised into "AfD
> debates (Biographical)"
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alexander_Kinyua
> http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Alexander_Kinyua
>
> Until we are confident that BLP problems are not being imported into
> the wikia, the content shouldnt be indexed.  I assume  __NOINDEX__
> works on Wikia?
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Newyorkbrad 
> wrote:
> > Although I can understand the appeal of this concept, I am concerned
> > that a deleted-articles wiki or site will perpetuate the publicity
> > given to pages that are properly deleted from Wikipedia because they
> > contain offensive personal attacks, harassment, cyberbullying,
> > defamation, and BLP violations. These are not always flagged in the
> > deletion grounds, especially in speedy situations (e.g. if a harassing
> > or defamatory article does not assert the subject's notability, it
> > will often be deleted on that ground without its being tagged as an
> > attack page, etc.). This issue strikes me as extremely serious. How do
> > you plan to address it?
> >
> > Newyorkbrad
> >
> > On 6/10/12, Mike  Dupont  wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30
> minutes
> >> with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable
> and
> >> hoaxes, not others).
> >> it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are
> all
> >> on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam
> codebases.
> >> hope you enjoy it,
> >> thanks,
> >> mike
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Mike Dupont]

To answer your question, any article nominated for deletion is also
archived.

Well my personal motivation was that some of my articles were deleted
because of notability and i see many articles in kosovo deleted, so I want
to preserve them.

Anyway, It does not cost much and I am learning. I hope that it will have
some impact, lets see.
mike

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Chris Lee wrote:

> There was a site (I think it was deletionpedia or something) which
> collected non-speedied articles which were deleted. I found that
> interesting; a collection of fringe notable articles and topics. I think
> that stopped collecting years ago; is that something you would be
> interested in adding to your wiki?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Chris Lee]

There was a site (I think it was deletionpedia or something) which
collected non-speedied articles which were deleted. I found that
interesting; a collection of fringe notable articles and topics. I think
that stopped collecting years ago; is that something you would be
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Thomas Morton]

I think a lot of those efforts petered out because, in the end, the
material was of so little utility no one was interested in it.

Or to put it another way; it was being archived for the sake of it, more
than anything else.

Tom

On 11 June 2012 14:02, Tarc Meridian  wrote:

>
> This  has been tried before, i.e. wikialpha.org.  Pages are speedily
> deleted for a reason, many of them quite properly so.  Moving potentially
> libelous BLP attack pages and other sundry junk to a publicly viewable wiki
> is not a very well-thought-out idea.
>
>
> > From: jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
> > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 07:37:24 +
> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched
> >
> > Hi,
> > I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
> > with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
> > hoaxes, not others).
> > it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are
> all
> > on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam codebases.
> > hope you enjoy it,
> > thanks,
> > mike
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Richard Symonds]

http://deletionpedia.dbatley.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page  also worked
up until a few months ago.

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On 11 June 2012 14:02, Tarc Meridian  wrote:

>
> This  has been tried before, i.e. wikialpha.org.  Pages are speedily
> deleted for a reason, many of them quite properly so.  Moving potentially
> libelous BLP attack pages and other sundry junk to a publicly viewable wiki
> is not a very well-thought-out idea.
>
>
> > From: jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
> > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 07:37:24 +
> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched
> >
> > Hi,
> > I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
> > with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
> > hoaxes, not others).
> > it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are
> all
> > on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam codebases.
> > hope you enjoy it,
> > thanks,
> > mike
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[Tarc Meridian]

This  has been tried before, i.e. wikialpha.org.  Pages are speedily deleted 
for a reason, many of them quite properly so.  Moving potentially libelous BLP 
attack pages and other sundry junk to a publicly viewable wiki is not a very 
well-thought-out idea.


> From: jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 07:37:24 +
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched
> 
> Hi,
> I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
> with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
> hoaxes, not others).
> it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are all
> on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam codebases.
> hope you enjoy it,
> thanks,
> mike
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Thomas Morton]

On 11 June 2012 08:40, Mike Dupont  wrote:

> After rereading your question, it boils down to if the tags are wrong. If
> the tags are wrong we will have to deal with them on a case by case issue,
> and I see that we will have to do more finer tagging of articles to be
> deleted, I hope that this will be the outcome of my effort to see that
> articles that are properly tagged and deleted according to a fair and
> transparent set of rules. lets work on this together to make the wikipedia
> better.
>

I'm not sure if this is beneficial. Speedy tagging is the first line for
removing junk, inappropriate content, spam and obvious hoaxes. THe material
is of such low quality the only consideration is that it is deleted - not
how well we tag it for deletion.

Expending more effort on this material is non-optimal.

Tom
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[John Vandenberg]

I think we need to ensure that BLP deletions are tagged appropriately.

and this wikia needs to err on the side of caution in order to avoid
causing subjects further grief in their pursuit to remove problematic
content from Wikipedia.  i.e. if someone jumps through all the hoops
to *help* us remove problematic content from Wikipedia, they are not
going to be happy to learn that the same content has appeared on Wikia
- its confusing, and they will blame Wikipedia, and IMO they are right
to do so as this Wikia is run by people in the Wikimedia community,
and due to the overlap in the WMF board and Wikia board, now and
historically.

e.g. this AFD mentioned "WP:BLP1E" and was categorised into "AfD
debates (Biographical)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alexander_Kinyua
http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Alexander_Kinyua

Until we are confident that BLP problems are not being imported into
the wikia, the content shouldnt be indexed.  I assume  __NOINDEX__
works on Wikia?

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Newyorkbrad  wrote:
> Although I can understand the appeal of this concept, I am concerned
> that a deleted-articles wiki or site will perpetuate the publicity
> given to pages that are properly deleted from Wikipedia because they
> contain offensive personal attacks, harassment, cyberbullying,
> defamation, and BLP violations. These are not always flagged in the
> deletion grounds, especially in speedy situations (e.g. if a harassing
> or defamatory article does not assert the subject's notability, it
> will often be deleted on that ground without its being tagged as an
> attack page, etc.). This issue strikes me as extremely serious. How do
> you plan to address it?
>
> Newyorkbrad
>
> On 6/10/12, Mike  Dupont  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
>> with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
>> hoaxes, not others).
>> it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are all
>> on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam codebases.
>> hope you enjoy it,
>> thanks,
>> mike
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[Mike Dupont]

After rereading your question, it boils down to if the tags are wrong. If
the tags are wrong we will have to deal with them on a case by case issue,
and I see that we will have to do more finer tagging of articles to be
deleted, I hope that this will be the outcome of my effort to see that
articles that are properly tagged and deleted according to a fair and
transparent set of rules. lets work on this together to make the wikipedia
better.

What is the current policy now? you have articles in dumps that contain
these offending materials i presume if they are not that new. What is the
difference between a dump on wikpedia and a dump on archive.org, and a dump
on wikia?

thanks,

mike

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Mike Dupont  wrote:

> My view is that we just need a proper tagging system when deleting them to
> know which are harassing and violating the peoples rights.
> I want to also help here and protect peoples rights, but I also want to
> scrape out valid copyrighted material that is not worthy yet of wikipedia.
> Are there no tag for such things?
> thanks,
> mike
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Newyorkbrad wrote:
>
>> Although I can understand the appeal of this concept, I am concerned
>> that a deleted-articles wiki or site will perpetuate the publicity
>> given to pages that are properly deleted from Wikipedia because they
>> contain offensive personal attacks, harassment, cyberbullying,
>> defamation, and BLP violations. These are not always flagged in the
>> deletion grounds, especially in speedy situations (e.g. if a harassing
>> or defamatory article does not assert the subject's notability, it
>> will often be deleted on that ground without its being tagged as an
>> attack page, etc.). This issue strikes me as extremely serious. How do
>> you plan to address it?
>>
>> Newyorkbrad
>>
>> On 6/10/12, Mike  Dupont  wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30
>> minutes
>> > with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable
>> and
>> > hoaxes, not others).
>> > it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are
>> all
>> > on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam
>> codebases.
>> > hope you enjoy it,
>> > thanks,
>> > mike
>> > --
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>> > Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org
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[Mike Dupont]

My view is that we just need a proper tagging system when deleting them to
know which are harassing and violating the peoples rights.
I want to also help here and protect peoples rights, but I also want to
scrape out valid copyrighted material that is not worthy yet of wikipedia.
Are there no tag for such things?
thanks,
mike

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Newyorkbrad  wrote:

> Although I can understand the appeal of this concept, I am concerned
> that a deleted-articles wiki or site will perpetuate the publicity
> given to pages that are properly deleted from Wikipedia because they
> contain offensive personal attacks, harassment, cyberbullying,
> defamation, and BLP violations. These are not always flagged in the
> deletion grounds, especially in speedy situations (e.g. if a harassing
> or defamatory article does not assert the subject's notability, it
> will often be deleted on that ground without its being tagged as an
> attack page, etc.). This issue strikes me as extremely serious. How do
> you plan to address it?
>
> Newyorkbrad
>
> On 6/10/12, Mike  Dupont  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
> > with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
> > hoaxes, not others).
> > it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are
> all
> > on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam codebases.
> > hope you enjoy it,
> > thanks,
> > mike
> > --
> > James Michael DuPont
> > Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org
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[Newyorkbrad]

Although I can understand the appeal of this concept, I am concerned
that a deleted-articles wiki or site will perpetuate the publicity
given to pages that are properly deleted from Wikipedia because they
contain offensive personal attacks, harassment, cyberbullying,
defamation, and BLP violations. These are not always flagged in the
deletion grounds, especially in speedy situations (e.g. if a harassing
or defamatory article does not assert the subject's notability, it
will often be deleted on that ground without its being tagged as an
attack page, etc.). This issue strikes me as extremely serious. How do
you plan to address it?

Newyorkbrad

On 6/10/12, Mike  Dupont  wrote:
> Hi,
> I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
> with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
> hoaxes, not others).
> it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are all
> on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam codebases.
> hope you enjoy it,
> thanks,
> mike
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[Mike Dupont]

In my short experience studying this, there are some articles that might be
deleted very quickly, not even waiting 30 minutes.

If I look here at monthly dumps,  http://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwiki/ then
we would be missing many articles that were created and deleted between the
two dumps. We could look in total what articles were deleted

Historical data, I guess they could be extracted from older dumps, to
extract the list of articles tagged with categories based on a series of
dumps.
right now I am pulling them every thirty minutes, it would be possible to
scan historical dumps and find any articles that are no longer in the newer
dumps.

The deletion logs here
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete we could scan
those, but as i said, how to get the text?

the CPU usage for something like that would go way over my current
processing. we could as I said install in on the toolserver, I would have
to work on the code for a bit first.
so, this comes down to the question, do we have a full log of the deleted
articles ?

thanks,
mike


On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Samuel Klein  wrote:

> This is great.  Thank you, Mike!  It would be nice to see this done
> for historically speedied articles, too.  Sam.
>
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:37 AM, Mike  Dupont
>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
> > with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
> > hoaxes, not others).
> > it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are
> all
> > on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam codebases.
> > hope you enjoy it,
> > thanks,
> > mike
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[Samuel Klein]

This is great.  Thank you, Mike!  It would be nice to see this done
for historically speedied articles, too.  Sam.

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:37 AM, Mike  Dupont
 wrote:
> Hi,
> I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
> with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
> hoaxes, not others).
> it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are all
> on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam codebases.
> hope you enjoy it,
> thanks,
> mike
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[Mike Dupont]

Hi,

About copyright , the articles do not contain "G12. Unambiguous copyright
infringement.", I can only trust the category system from wikipedia is
working. I am willing to help fine tune the speedy deletion system to be
specific about what articles are original copyrighted material.

there is more work to do on attribution, the dumps on archive.org does
contain an attribution of wikipedia in general and the creative commones
license for the entire bucket,
http://archive.org/details/wikipedia-delete-2012-05
http://archive.org/details/wikipedia-delete-2012-06

The individual users names are only visible in the data files, I assume we
could collect them..

For the wikia, at this point I am using the standard wikia template
http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Wikipedia-deleted, so the
articles should have a text like this and the name of the last author :
 [image: Smallwikipedialogo.png] This page uses content that was added to *
Wikipedia* . The article has been deleted from
Wikipedia. The original article was written by these Wikipedia users:
Ammodramus.
As with this wiki (Speedy deletion Wiki), the text of Wikipedia is
available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported
License .


Again the full history is available on archive.org and i think that no one
is going to think that this data is from me, it is clearly marked as being
from wikipedia.

mike


On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:27 AM, Risker  wrote:

> How are you attributing the work and ensuring that the license conditions
> are met?
>
> Risker
>
> On 11 June 2012 01:24, Mike Dupont  wrote:
>
> > good question,
> > The raw data is not lost : the archive.org will get a snapshot every 30
> > minutes of the items that are categorized.
> >
> > the wikia right now will not be updated: There is not any code for the
> > updating of the article, once it is in the wikia.
> >
> > I would be interesting to get the full history of each article, if it is
> > replaced after deletion, i suppose that a new page or subpage would be
> > needed if it is deleted again, maybe a fine history would be good enough.
> >
> >
> > In any case if articles last more than 30 minutes in the speedy deletion
> > category they will be archived.
> >
> > mike
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Nathan  wrote:
> >
> > > What happens to your system if an article is deleted from Wikipedia, a
> > new
> > > article is posted again under the same name, and then that one is also
> > > deleted?
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Mike Dupont <
> > > jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Kirill Lokshin <
> > > kirill.loks...@gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This is where I think things become slightly problematic.  There
> are,
> > > in
> > > > > broad terms, two categories of hoaxes: those which are
> fundamentally
> > > > > harmless (these typically being of the "did you know that
> 'gullible'
> > > > isn't
> > > > > in the dictionary" variety), and those which have the potential to
> be
> > > > > harmful (including, but not limited to, false statements about
> drugs,
> > > > > crimes, politically explosive issues, etc.).  The speedy deletion
> > > system
> > > > > makes no real attempt to distinguish between these (with the
> > exception
> > > of
> > > > > blatant attacks on living people, which have their own deletion
> tag),
> > > but
> > > > > retaining the second category in a publicly-viewable (and
> > > > > publicly-searcheable?) form is probably not desirable.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > I am willing to delete articles from the wikia, they are also
> archived
> > on
> > > > archive.org.
> > > > it would be nice to work out a detailed tagging system to work out
> what
> > > may
> > > > be archived and what not.
> > > > We can remove categories and add them.
> > > >
> > > > But lets look at some of these,
> > > > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Ipod_5.5_generation this looks
> > like
> > > > someone who is providing infomation in the wrong way, but could be
> > valid.
> > > > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Trantlers this is funny and
> would
> > > > like
> > > > to keep it and add a picture of it, maybe to a humor section. this
> one
> > > too
> > > > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Trantlas
> > > >
> > > > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Willyfor this is strange , but
> > > might
> > > > be some meme or urban legend. I guess unencylopedia.
> > > > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Like_Dis_Like_Dat same here,
> this
> > > is
> > > > also unencylopedia material.
> > > >
> > > > now this looks like a hoax , and could be deleted, but also
> > unencylopedia
> > > > stuff.
> > > > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Aman_hadid
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > personally I am interested in non notable articles, my experience
> with
> > > > dealing with encouraging e

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[Risker]

How are you attributing the work and ensuring that the license conditions
are met?

Risker

On 11 June 2012 01:24, Mike Dupont  wrote:

> good question,
> The raw data is not lost : the archive.org will get a snapshot every 30
> minutes of the items that are categorized.
>
> the wikia right now will not be updated: There is not any code for the
> updating of the article, once it is in the wikia.
>
> I would be interesting to get the full history of each article, if it is
> replaced after deletion, i suppose that a new page or subpage would be
> needed if it is deleted again, maybe a fine history would be good enough.
>
>
> In any case if articles last more than 30 minutes in the speedy deletion
> category they will be archived.
>
> mike
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Nathan  wrote:
>
> > What happens to your system if an article is deleted from Wikipedia, a
> new
> > article is posted again under the same name, and then that one is also
> > deleted?
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Mike Dupont <
> > jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Kirill Lokshin <
> > kirill.loks...@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is where I think things become slightly problematic.  There are,
> > in
> > > > broad terms, two categories of hoaxes: those which are fundamentally
> > > > harmless (these typically being of the "did you know that 'gullible'
> > > isn't
> > > > in the dictionary" variety), and those which have the potential to be
> > > > harmful (including, but not limited to, false statements about drugs,
> > > > crimes, politically explosive issues, etc.).  The speedy deletion
> > system
> > > > makes no real attempt to distinguish between these (with the
> exception
> > of
> > > > blatant attacks on living people, which have their own deletion tag),
> > but
> > > > retaining the second category in a publicly-viewable (and
> > > > publicly-searcheable?) form is probably not desirable.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I am willing to delete articles from the wikia, they are also archived
> on
> > > archive.org.
> > > it would be nice to work out a detailed tagging system to work out what
> > may
> > > be archived and what not.
> > > We can remove categories and add them.
> > >
> > > But lets look at some of these,
> > > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Ipod_5.5_generation this looks
> like
> > > someone who is providing infomation in the wrong way, but could be
> valid.
> > > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Trantlers this is funny and would
> > > like
> > > to keep it and add a picture of it, maybe to a humor section. this one
> > too
> > > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Trantlas
> > >
> > > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Willyfor this is strange , but
> > might
> > > be some meme or urban legend. I guess unencylopedia.
> > > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Like_Dis_Like_Dat same here, this
> > is
> > > also unencylopedia material.
> > >
> > > now this looks like a hoax , and could be deleted, but also
> unencylopedia
> > > stuff.
> > > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Aman_hadid
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > personally I am interested in non notable articles, my experience with
> > > dealing with encouraging editors and collection creative commons
> licensed
> > > information
> > > on places that are not very notable like villages in kosovo could be
> > helped
> > > with these articles.
> > > if we can find authors who are willing to write about non notable
> topics,
> > > maybe we can collect them and categorize them.
> > > this could be a recruiting mechanism and also provide good basic data
> and
> > > maybe new contributors for wikitravel and openstreetmap.
> > > with a staging system like this speedydeletion wikia you will have a
> way
> > to
> > > demote articles to the speedy deletion purgatory where they might
> redeem
> > > themselves.
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[Mike Dupont]

good question,
The raw data is not lost : the archive.org will get a snapshot every 30
minutes of the items that are categorized.

the wikia right now will not be updated: There is not any code for the
updating of the article, once it is in the wikia.

I would be interesting to get the full history of each article, if it is
replaced after deletion, i suppose that a new page or subpage would be
needed if it is deleted again, maybe a fine history would be good enough.


In any case if articles last more than 30 minutes in the speedy deletion
category they will be archived.

mike



On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Nathan  wrote:

> What happens to your system if an article is deleted from Wikipedia, a new
> article is posted again under the same name, and then that one is also
> deleted?
>
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Mike Dupont <
> jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Kirill Lokshin <
> kirill.loks...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > This is where I think things become slightly problematic.  There are,
> in
> > > broad terms, two categories of hoaxes: those which are fundamentally
> > > harmless (these typically being of the "did you know that 'gullible'
> > isn't
> > > in the dictionary" variety), and those which have the potential to be
> > > harmful (including, but not limited to, false statements about drugs,
> > > crimes, politically explosive issues, etc.).  The speedy deletion
> system
> > > makes no real attempt to distinguish between these (with the exception
> of
> > > blatant attacks on living people, which have their own deletion tag),
> but
> > > retaining the second category in a publicly-viewable (and
> > > publicly-searcheable?) form is probably not desirable.
> > >
> > >
> > I am willing to delete articles from the wikia, they are also archived on
> > archive.org.
> > it would be nice to work out a detailed tagging system to work out what
> may
> > be archived and what not.
> > We can remove categories and add them.
> >
> > But lets look at some of these,
> > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Ipod_5.5_generation this looks like
> > someone who is providing infomation in the wrong way, but could be valid.
> > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Trantlers this is funny and would
> > like
> > to keep it and add a picture of it, maybe to a humor section. this one
> too
> > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Trantlas
> >
> > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Willyfor this is strange , but
> might
> > be some meme or urban legend. I guess unencylopedia.
> > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Like_Dis_Like_Dat same here, this
> is
> > also unencylopedia material.
> >
> > now this looks like a hoax , and could be deleted, but also unencylopedia
> > stuff.
> > http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Aman_hadid
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > personally I am interested in non notable articles, my experience with
> > dealing with encouraging editors and collection creative commons licensed
> > information
> > on places that are not very notable like villages in kosovo could be
> helped
> > with these articles.
> > if we can find authors who are willing to write about non notable topics,
> > maybe we can collect them and categorize them.
> > this could be a recruiting mechanism and also provide good basic data and
> > maybe new contributors for wikitravel and openstreetmap.
> > with a staging system like this speedydeletion wikia you will have a way
> to
> > demote articles to the speedy deletion purgatory where they might redeem
> > themselves.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Nathan]

What happens to your system if an article is deleted from Wikipedia, a new
article is posted again under the same name, and then that one is also
deleted?

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Mike Dupont  wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Kirill Lokshin  >wrote:
>
> > This is where I think things become slightly problematic.  There are, in
> > broad terms, two categories of hoaxes: those which are fundamentally
> > harmless (these typically being of the "did you know that 'gullible'
> isn't
> > in the dictionary" variety), and those which have the potential to be
> > harmful (including, but not limited to, false statements about drugs,
> > crimes, politically explosive issues, etc.).  The speedy deletion system
> > makes no real attempt to distinguish between these (with the exception of
> > blatant attacks on living people, which have their own deletion tag), but
> > retaining the second category in a publicly-viewable (and
> > publicly-searcheable?) form is probably not desirable.
> >
> >
> I am willing to delete articles from the wikia, they are also archived on
> archive.org.
> it would be nice to work out a detailed tagging system to work out what may
> be archived and what not.
> We can remove categories and add them.
>
> But lets look at some of these,
> http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Ipod_5.5_generation this looks like
> someone who is providing infomation in the wrong way, but could be valid.
> http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Trantlers this is funny and would
> like
> to keep it and add a picture of it, maybe to a humor section. this one too
> http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Trantlas
>
> http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Willyfor this is strange , but might
> be some meme or urban legend. I guess unencylopedia.
> http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Like_Dis_Like_Dat same here, this is
> also unencylopedia material.
>
> now this looks like a hoax , and could be deleted, but also unencylopedia
> stuff.
> http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Aman_hadid
>
>
>
>
>
> personally I am interested in non notable articles, my experience with
> dealing with encouraging editors and collection creative commons licensed
> information
> on places that are not very notable like villages in kosovo could be helped
> with these articles.
> if we can find authors who are willing to write about non notable topics,
> maybe we can collect them and categorize them.
> this could be a recruiting mechanism and also provide good basic data and
> maybe new contributors for wikitravel and openstreetmap.
> with a staging system like this speedydeletion wikia you will have a way to
> demote articles to the speedy deletion purgatory where they might redeem
> themselves.
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[Mike Dupont]

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Kirill Lokshin wrote:

> This is where I think things become slightly problematic.  There are, in
> broad terms, two categories of hoaxes: those which are fundamentally
> harmless (these typically being of the "did you know that 'gullible' isn't
> in the dictionary" variety), and those which have the potential to be
> harmful (including, but not limited to, false statements about drugs,
> crimes, politically explosive issues, etc.).  The speedy deletion system
> makes no real attempt to distinguish between these (with the exception of
> blatant attacks on living people, which have their own deletion tag), but
> retaining the second category in a publicly-viewable (and
> publicly-searcheable?) form is probably not desirable.
>
>
I am willing to delete articles from the wikia, they are also archived on
archive.org.
it would be nice to work out a detailed tagging system to work out what may
be archived and what not.
We can remove categories and add them.

But lets look at some of these,
http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Ipod_5.5_generation this looks like
someone who is providing infomation in the wrong way, but could be valid.
http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Trantlers this is funny and would like
to keep it and add a picture of it, maybe to a humor section. this one too
http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Trantlas

http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Willyfor this is strange , but might
be some meme or urban legend. I guess unencylopedia.
http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Like_Dis_Like_Dat same here, this is
also unencylopedia material.

now this looks like a hoax , and could be deleted, but also unencylopedia
stuff.
http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Aman_hadid





personally I am interested in non notable articles, my experience with
dealing with encouraging editors and collection creative commons licensed
information
on places that are not very notable like villages in kosovo could be helped
with these articles.
if we can find authors who are willing to write about non notable topics,
maybe we can collect them and categorize them.
this could be a recruiting mechanism and also provide good basic data and
maybe new contributors for wikitravel and openstreetmap.
with a staging system like this speedydeletion wikia you will have a way to
demote articles to the speedy deletion purgatory where they might redeem
themselves.
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[Mike Dupont]

well originally i wanted just not notable, but i was interested in hoaxes
personally. let me see,

http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/index.php?search=hoax&fulltext=Search

they
are clearly marked and might contain something interesting some day

thanks,
mike

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Richard Symonds <
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Not quite - Mike says that " it is updated...with the proposed deletions
> and speedy deletion articles (not notable and hoaxes, *not others*)."
>
> Non-notable articles are arguably important to keep - they serve as a basis
> for recreating the articles in future, and for easy review by non-admins.
> Hoaxes are also important to keep publicy viewable - so that we can stop
> similar ones happening again, surely?
>
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>
> On 10 June 2012 18:29, Juergen Fenn  wrote:
>
> > 2012/6/10 Mike  Dupont :
> >
> > > I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30
> minutes
> > > with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable
> and
> > > hoaxes, not others).
> >
> > Speedydeleted articles are either no articles at all, thus not worth
> > discussing, or they are copyright infrigements. I am sorry to say that
> > I do not happen to understand why you collect those pages in a
> > separate wiki.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jürgen.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Kirill Lokshin]

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Richard Symonds <
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Non-notable articles are arguably important to keep - they serve as a basis
> for recreating the articles in future, and for easy review by non-admins.
>

That's true to a point, but only for articles which are marginally
non-notable, or which have the potential to demonstrate notability if
rewritten.  An article about, for example, someone's pet goldfish is
unlikely to be of much value to anyone, regardless of where it's located.

If Mike wants to keep such articles around, of course, that's his business;
as far as I can tell, there's no real harm in it.


> Hoaxes are also important to keep publicy viewable - so that we can stop
> similar ones happening again, surely?


This is where I think things become slightly problematic.  There are, in
broad terms, two categories of hoaxes: those which are fundamentally
harmless (these typically being of the "did you know that 'gullible' isn't
in the dictionary" variety), and those which have the potential to be
harmful (including, but not limited to, false statements about drugs,
crimes, politically explosive issues, etc.).  The speedy deletion system
makes no real attempt to distinguish between these (with the exception of
blatant attacks on living people, which have their own deletion tag), but
retaining the second category in a publicly-viewable (and
publicly-searcheable?) form is probably not desirable.

Kirill
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[Richard Symonds]

Not quite - Mike says that " it is updated...with the proposed deletions
and speedy deletion articles (not notable and hoaxes, *not others*)."

Non-notable articles are arguably important to keep - they serve as a basis
for recreating the articles in future, and for easy review by non-admins.
Hoaxes are also important to keep publicy viewable - so that we can stop
similar ones happening again, surely?

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On 10 June 2012 18:29, Juergen Fenn  wrote:

> 2012/6/10 Mike  Dupont :
>
> > I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
> > with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
> > hoaxes, not others).
>
> Speedydeleted articles are either no articles at all, thus not worth
> discussing, or they are copyright infrigements. I am sorry to say that
> I do not happen to understand why you collect those pages in a
> separate wiki.
>
> Regards,
> Jürgen.
>
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[Juergen Fenn]

2012/6/10 Mike  Dupont :

> I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
> with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
> hoaxes, not others).

Speedydeleted articles are either no articles at all, thus not worth
discussing, or they are copyright infrigements. I am sorry to say that
I do not happen to understand why you collect those pages in a
separate wiki.

Regards,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

[Mike Dupont]

Hi,

I need one bit of help, is there any dump file of templates from the en
wikipedia? i would like to import those into the wikia.

I will add services to postprocess the data as we go, for example to look
for articles and mark them as really deleted, updating them if they change
on the main wiki and not yet on the copy. also i am considering to add to
the talk page and to the page of the users, we can do all that yes. I need
to look at how to implement that.

my next step will be to reduce the archive.org backups to only changes,
right now all the articles are taken as a snapshot every 30 minutes,
meaning that there are many copies of articles in the dumps.

I would like to install these scripts on the toolserver if there are no
objections, right now it is running on my laptop.

I also wanted to look for twitter accounts for example embedded in the
articles and tweet people, I did that for a handful of articles.  But that
can be done in the future as well, it is not needed right now.

mike

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Martijn Hoekstra  wrote:

> Thats great. We've been in need for something like this for a while,
> good luck with the project!
>
> Two questions:
> Are you planning on letting the authors know there article has been
> transwikid?
> Are you checking if the article actually gets deleted from Wikipedia
> or gets recreated?
>
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Mike  Dupont
>  wrote:
> > sorry, not speedydeletion.wika.com but http://speedydeletion.wikia.com
> >  thanks,
> > mike
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Mike Dupont <
> jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30
> minutes
> >> with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable
> and
> >> hoaxes, not others).
> >> it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are
> all
> >> on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam
> codebases.
> >> hope you enjoy it,
> >> thanks,
> >> mike
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[Martijn Hoekstra]

Thats great. We've been in need for something like this for a while,
good luck with the project!

Two questions:
Are you planning on letting the authors know there article has been transwikid?
Are you checking if the article actually gets deleted from Wikipedia
or gets recreated?

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Mike  Dupont
 wrote:
> sorry, not speedydeletion.wika.com but http://speedydeletion.wikia.com
>  thanks,
> mike
>
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Mike Dupont > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
>> with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
>> hoaxes, not others).
>> it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are all
>> on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam codebases.
>> hope you enjoy it,
>> thanks,
>> mike
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>>
>
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[Mike Dupont]

sorry, not speedydeletion.wika.com but http://speedydeletion.wikia.com
 thanks,
mike

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Mike Dupont  wrote:

> Hi,
> I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
> with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
> hoaxes, not others).
> it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are all
> on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam codebases.
> hope you enjoy it,
> thanks,
> mike
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>
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[Mike Dupont]

Hi,
I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30 minutes
with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable and
hoaxes, not others).
it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are all
on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam codebases.
hope you enjoy it,
thanks,
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