Re: [Wikimedia-l] Free Bassel

2015-11-28 Thread Gregory Varnum
Reminder that the current discussion on the banner will be continuing on Meta-Wiki for another 12 hours: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Free_Bassel/Banner/Straw_poll As of this email, 142 people have shown support for the banner campaign and 84 have opposed the banner campaign. Thank you to ev

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Gergo Tisza wrote: > Trying to make our content less free for fear that someone might misuse it > is a shamefully wrong frame > of mind for and organization that's supposed to be a leader of the > open content movement, IMO. > Do you think there is something "sh

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-28 Thread Gergő Tisza
On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 1:39 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Do you think there is something "shameful" about Wikipedia using the > Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License? > > And if that isn't shameful, why would it be shameful if Wikidata used the > same licence? > There is no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Gergő Tisza wrote: > > ("Shameful" was an unnecessarily confrontational choice of word; I > apologize.) > Thanks. > There is also the practical matter of facts not being copyrightable in the > US, and non-zero CC licenses not being particularly useful for da

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TPP - copyright

2015-11-28 Thread Jayanta Nath
FYI On Friday 6 November 2015, Gnangarra wrote: > We have a new problem to face in the coming months assuming countries > ratify the Trans Pacific Partnership > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership > > The text of the agreement has been released in the last 24 hours, early > c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Gerard, On Fri, Nov 27, 2015, Gerard Meijssen wrote: When you compare the quality of Wikipedias with what en.wp used to be you > are comparing apples and oranges. The Myanmar Wikipedia is better informed > on Myanmar than en.wp etc. > Is it? The entire Burmese Wikipedia contains a mere 31,646

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-28 Thread Ed Erhart
On the very specific point of knowledge and how it's not always possible to boil it down to a single quantifiable value, I couldn't agree more. Thank you, Andreas, for the detailed anecdote displaying that problem, and I'll be happy to provide more if needed. Does Wikidata have a way of marking da

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-28 Thread Rob
That male librarian here. I think we need to encourage people to add more and conflicting data to Wikidata, and to cite their sources when they do so. Currently it's not particularly easy to cite your sources on Wikidata. So the end result is that it encourages people to view whatever single unc

[Wikimedia-l] Redirect blog.wikipedia.org to the Wikimedia Blog

2015-11-28 Thread Amir Ladsgroup
Hey, The subject is self-explanatory (also I have this suggestion for blog.wikiquote.org and other projects as well) What do you think? Best ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-28 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 5:23 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > To the extent that Wikidata draws on Wikipedia, its CC0 license would > appear to be a gross violation of Wikipedia's share-alike license > requirement. > It's essential to also consider whether the factual information derived from Wikiped

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-28 Thread Gergo Tisza
On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 5:23 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > To the extent that Wikidata draws on Wikipedia, its CC0 license would > appear to be a gross violation of Wikipedia's share-alike license > requirement. > By the same logic, to the extent Wikipedia takes its facts from non-free external sou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It was from the Myanmar WIkipedia that a lot of data was imported to Wikidata. Data that did not exist elsewhere. I do not care really what "Freedom House" says. I do not know them, I do know that the data is relevant and useful It was even the subject on a blogpost.. You may ignore data that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Redirect blog.wikipedia.org to the Wikimedia Blog

2015-11-28 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
Why? I would prefer not, as I like the project domains to be kept clean, and I suspect it would (by effect if not intent) be abusing 'wikipedia's name to push meta content higher up in the results. Project domains should be used for that project only, so IMO it would only be appropriate to host a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-28 Thread Gnangarra
> > While I happily agree that Sources are good, I will not ask people to start > adding Sources at this point of time it will not improve quality > signifcantly. It makes more sense once we are at a stage where multiple > sources disagree on values for statements. Adding sources is signifcantly >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Redirect blog.wikipedia.org to the Wikimedia Blog

2015-11-28 Thread MZMcBride
Amir Ladsgroup wrote: >The subject is self-explanatory (also I have this suggestion for >blog.wikiquote.org and other projects as well) > >What do you think? Hi. Why? The request is self-explanatory, but the uses and use-cases are not. MZMcBride ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Redirect blog.wikipedia.org to the Wikimedia Blog

2015-11-28 Thread Amir Ladsgroup
We already have some subdomains that are not related to language, biggest example: ten.wikipedia.org My motivation of this request is that makes access for people who doesn't know what's wikimedia easier. Everyone knows wikipedia but less people know about wikimedia and the organization behind wik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > As to Grasulf, you failed to get the point. It was NOT about the data > itself but about the presentation. > QED. :) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Redirect blog.wikipedia.org to the Wikimedia Blog

2015-11-28 Thread Pete Forsyth
Amir, My initial, gut reaction to your suggestion was positive. I like that you have thought of a way to make blog content more accessible to the public. However, on reflection: * The Planet Wikimedia blog predates the Wikimedia Foundation's blog by some years, and is well populated by a variety