Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-07 Thread Aron Manning
One could say that deletionism is just as toxic, cutting off valuable off-springs at the root, based on the balance of different views present at the birth. Walking around with the intent to cut for a long time, has an effect on how one relates to the world. On Sat, 6 Jul 2019 at 12:15, Benjamin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-16 Thread Aron Manning
I appreciate that there is an attempt to start conversations. These are drafts of recommendations, that implies at least 1 more round of community feedback, and preferably 2 or 3 for the alpha drafts, such as licensing. Plenty of time and opportunity to come to a mutually agreeable outcome. If

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-18 Thread Aron Manning
On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 22:07, Jeff Hawke wrote: > "Open community input will be accepted until September 15, after which > working groups will refine and finalize their work using movement input as > I expect the drafts to be revised for new rounds of feedback within that timeframe. In one week

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-18 Thread Aron Manning
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 at 06:42, Leila Zia wrote: > * Re Commons or not is something we should discuss in the talk pages. > Peter had some really good points early on on this thread about the 3 > different options available. > And his option of a dedicated project for non-free content has been

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Diversity Working Group Recommendation 9 - proposal to split in two: "Terms of Use update" and "Licensing Policy update"

2019-08-18 Thread Aron Manning
This draft resulted in the longest talk page , and the most passionate feedback. The responses mostly address the Licensing Policy update, that turned out to be a very heavy topic,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-17 Thread Aron Manning
On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 09:00, Peter Southwood wrote: > Do you speak for one or more working groups in an official or > semi-official capacity? > I don't think it would make sense, if a WG member would write this. I speak my opinion as an editor. To be clear: I meant I assume the WMF will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-14 Thread Aron Manning
Peter, this is a very thoughtful suggestion. I'm not sure the WG members will see it here, maybe you could post on the talk page? I haven't seen it there. Aron On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 12:00, Peter Southwood wrote: > One way to make it very clear is to have a separate project for non-free > and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Aron Manning
On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Ziko wrote: The concern is that allowing NC and ND would lead to more content being > uploaded under these "unfree" conditions that otherwise would be uploaded > as "free". I share those concerns, and believe it's not in the general interest of uploaders to use

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Aron Manning
We've been waiting for the moment the WMF starts a conversation of proposed changes. It finally came, and I appreciate this good faith effort. I hope we can give constructive feedback and get involved in a civil manner, without focusing on perceived hostilities. The Terms of Use/Licensing Policy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-24 Thread Aron Manning
On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 00:48, Dennis During wrote: > The sad fact is that the only way the larger community would be likely to > take such proposals seriously would be if there were an imminent deadline. > Unfortunately, it is hard to take the imminent deadline seriously given the > absence of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-24 Thread Aron Manning
On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 00:01, Todd Allen wrote: > And if they're between five and ten thousand, why would they, consisting of > thousands, be outweighed by "working groups" consisting of little more than > a dozen people? > Let's be factual. There are 9 WGs

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-24 Thread Aron Manning
On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 00:22, Todd Allen wrote: > When the FRAMBAN occurred, nearly 10% of the English Wikipedia > functionaries resigned. Many have returned, but that's only because WMF > backed off. We lost many of our best to that, and if WMF hadn't swiftly > backed down, they would have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-24 Thread Aron Manning
On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 at 11:18, Benjamin Ikuta wrote: > It's obvious that you, for one, stand with the community. > Benjamin, this is not a clash between two opposing forces, albeit some combative elements try to "divide and conquer", and turn the community into two opposing camps. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

2019-09-12 Thread Aron Manning
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 20:27, Mike Peel wrote: > > Hi. > > > > I haven't been following this discussion too closely, but my sense is > that > > a few people within Wikimedia Foundation Inc. have already decided on an > > outcome and are seeking "support" and "feedback" to legitimize and > >