Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-01 Thread Nathan
that well. ~Nathan On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I don't think it does say that, or if it does, I can't see where. You're certainly liable if you break a law in your own country, but I don't think you've broken the terms of use. It says

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours reminder

2012-05-02 Thread Nathan
in the Americas range. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-03 Thread Nathan
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: birgitte...@yahoo.com, 03/05/2012 14:17: Encouraging people outside the US to live as though they live inside it, is neither wise nor ethical. On the other hand, this is what happens (o could have happened) in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan
, as well as the host Wikimedians, take no political positions implicit or otherwise. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-06-10 Thread Nathan
What happens to your system if an article is deleted from Wikipedia, a new article is posted again under the same name, and then that one is also deleted? On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Kirill Lokshin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 1:36 PM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: IPv6 is designed to operate on a one IP = one device/connection (non-NAT) basis, far more than IPv4. Privacy policy coversd personally identifiable information. An IP becomes personally identifying when it broadly allows a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 June 2012 14:09, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that FT2 is saying that we should seriously consider masking the *publicly viewable* IPv6 addresses. The only reason that we publish the IP addresses of any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Nathan
privacy, without (to my mind) establishing the particular benefits of that outcome. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: The original Wikipedia platform (lo those long years ago) published only partial IP addresses. Today, significantly less transparency seems to mean create an acccount to many people. However, that is antithetical to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-13 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Nathan, I'm still trying to come up with *any* site that permits unregistered users to post but also publishes their full IP address. Can you think of any at all? Let's not limit it to the big guys, let's really think

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-13 Thread Nathan
Earliest I have it on a Wikimedia list is from WikiEn-L on 2/11/08 from Ian Woollard (written as principle of least surprise), in the context of a Muhammad images thread started by Jimbo -- but my logs only go back to the summer of 07. On-wiki, I see it being used in naming convention arguments

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-13 Thread Nathan
are checks - order of magnitude - made on users who are eligible to vote in arbcom elections? SJ At least every day, there are 5 or 6 who qualify by edit count waiting for CU on SPI right now. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-13 Thread Nathan
is accessed on Wikimedia, if we invest that information with the significance that many wish to. To be honest, I'm surprised Risker doesn't agree, given the emphasis on personal privacy demonstrated in the IPv6 thread on this list. Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-14 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: I am not asking for full disclosure, what I am asking is that established user have the right to be notified when and why they are being checkusered. The evidence checkusers get do not need to be disclosed, Its as simple

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-14 Thread Nathan
and which don't, that seems like a lot of work that a vanishingly small number of abusers would attempt... and also basically the same information as they would receive when those sock accounts are ultimately blocked or not blocked per CU. ~Nathan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-14 Thread Nathan
, potentially personally identifying) has been disclosed to another volunteer. Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 2:22 AM, En Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Nathan, For a moment, let's suppose that there is a global policy that all CU checks must be disclosed to the person being checked, with the information disclosed in private email, and only consisting of the date

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: I've never understood why that was considered non-neutral. WMF, as an entity, can have viewpoints, especially as relates to the organization itself. The WMF, for example, is not neutral on the question of whether or not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net wrote: * Nathan wrote: It's simple. The WMF didn't do anything. The English Wikipedia did. That project effectively changed the content of the entire encyclopedia for political reasons. That is the condicio sine qua non

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Further to Jimbo's championing O'Dwyer, here is the court document from O'Dwyer's January extradition trial: [snip] It looks like these – rather than NPOV – are the values that Wikipedia has been co-opted to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet Defense League RFC

2012-06-28 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:25 PM, J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov alexandrdmitriroma...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree. There is no need to hijack this thread and turn it into another discussion about speedydeletion.wikia.com, when that thread already exists. If, on the other hand, people wish to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

2012-07-03 Thread Nathan
I love it when people send e-mails to the public list, and purposefully refrain from actually discussing the actual events at issue. You have to read 3/4ths of the e-mail to get an idea that it's about someone being blocked, but you still don't know why, when, or by whom. Following the yellow

Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

2012-07-03 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk wrote: On 3 July 2012 19:08, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I love it when people send e-mails to the public list, and purposefully refrain from actually discussing the actual events at issue. You have to read 3/4ths

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-03 Thread Nathan
Think of a logo or a trademark as an identity; the arguments for releasing free informational content are totally separate from allowing others to make free use of your (or WMFs) identity. You might as well ask why not release your name for any possible commercial use. I suspect you wouldn't agree

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans policy

2012-07-05 Thread Nathan
It's worth noting here that there is something of a disagreement about the import of the Terms of Use; Steve Walling and Ryan Kaldari have argued that the ToU require that the Wikimedia community devise a policy permitting and describing a process for instituting global bans. In fact, the ToU

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans policy

2012-07-05 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Right now, the RfC is trending towards dispensing with the current global ban policy. A large portion of that sentiment is from people opposed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans policy

2012-07-05 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I thought about that but beyond the language issue, the RfC has also been open for awhile and had significant participation. Since the trend

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-08 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote: Do you read my email? * me:we can make a logo under a free license, with the trademark rights guaranteed.* * you:that the logos are not released under a free license because they are trademarks.*

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ratiopol

2012-07-24 Thread Nathan
The project is empty. It's recent changes feed shows no edits (not sure how that is even possible). All the links on the front page are redlinks. The point of the project is stated as influencing the decisions of politicians. I suspect few will dispute the conclusion that Ratiopol is not ripe for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

2012-07-29 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: On 29 July 2012 22:33, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: I can see how you would think this if you're not involved with these communities, but a clear majority of the active editors on Portuguese

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

2012-07-29 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: On 29 July 2012 22:48, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: While I may not be involved in the Portuguese Wikipedia, I do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread Nathan
Andreas makes a really important point below. Now that I read it from his perspective, it seems like what we're dealing with here is a surreptitious attempt by the General Counsel to hijack the Wikimedia Foundation and its projects to serve their covert corporate masters. Obviously the Bilderberg

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

2012-08-16 Thread Nathan
Never having been to design school like Amir, I can't comment on what grade it might get. But I do like it a lot; I think it's a serious improvement over what we use now, and incorporates design principles that we should adopt even if we don't take the design itself. The visual elements, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

2012-08-17 Thread Nathan
No one will argue these days that the WMF is short of money, so this is a good opportunity for it to deploy some of that funding for a real impact. The main page on the English Wikipedia is an ideal starting point for a conscious effort at design evolution throughout Wikimedia. The Foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikiEN-l] Stocking personal details

2012-08-19 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 12:11 PM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: But there could be some grey areas, for example if no EU source is covering something then an EU editor sourcing a fact from a reliable source in the US might be in difficulty. Especially if that fact was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-20 Thread Nathan
to information which is individually identifying. If it has been de-identified, which is presumably not that difficult for x-ray images, then distribution is permitted for other purposes without the patients' authorization. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-20 Thread Nathan
them to Commons or providing them to medical image repositories). Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-06 Thread Nathan
The Wikitravel site seems to be declining in a hurry, even from what was evidently a sad state just several months ago. The main remaining administrator, an employee who goes by IBobi (IB as in Internet Brands), has limited his actions almost exclusively to arguing with other community members and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-06 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 6, 2012 7:27 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Other than in the process of enforcing telecommunications law, is there any way to challenge the presumed immunity of a particular entity under Section 230

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-07 Thread Nathan
Reading through the IB filing, they aren't even bothering to structure a good case. It's all blather and no substance (claiming, for instance, that the defendants have been unjustly enriched by establishing a website with a name confusingly similar to WikiTravel; when of course no such site

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia, not its authors, so we can put This text comes from Wikitravel. Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to scrape just the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-09 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 8:36 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 September 2012 12:25, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: Whatever the IB site publicly displays and requires, we can observe what IB considers adequate, plus the attribution requirements of CC-by-SA and any non-conflicting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Nathan
The concerns over Bamkin's involvement in WM-UK and GibraltarpediA seem a little overwrought, but the situation isn't helped by his minimalist approach to public communication - prompted perhaps in part by the accusatory, judgmental tone of his UK questioners. Still, it's too bad he's not more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Naming for the Travel Guide project

2012-09-27 Thread Nathan
it sniped by someone with other interests? ~Nathan On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: thanks for the offer :) That was indeed the situation I was referring to. It would probably be good

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia-blog] [Wikimedia Announcements] Joint statement from Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia UK

2012-09-28 Thread Nathan
Wow. I honestly didn't think the conflict of interest issue was this serious. What does giving up the next fundraiser due to the WM-UK budget? Does this change reflect a lack of trust between the WMF and the current WM-UK leadership? On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 4:20 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Recruitment process for Secretary General of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-10-10 Thread Nathan
So there will be both a committee, with expenses covered, and a paid consultant all to identify candidates for a single position? Interesting. But you don't yet know where the WCA will be incorporated, which laws it will abide, the magnitude of its budget, or a host of other considerations? On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

2012-10-18 Thread Nathan
Other than the fellowships, which I'll come back to in a moment, I think Sue's new course for the WMF makes a lot of sense. The WMF has been the subject of a lot of valid criticism in the last few years around its goals, spending and achievements. Despite soaring budgets and an FTE trend to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Real identifies when dealing with copyright issues

2012-10-19 Thread Nathan
Reporting the suspicion to the publisher should be enough, I wouldn't think of that as unethical. You aren't doing immediate harm to the author; presumably any reasonable publisher would ask the author about the situation before taking drastic action, giving the author the opportunity at that time

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Question for Board

2012-10-24 Thread Nathan
on the table. Or at least if it was, I certainly didn't hear about it. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-02 Thread Nathan
of the Foundation. In fact, the support of the community is absolutely crucial to its survival. I merely want to suggest that the tone of entitlement evident in some recent posts to wikimedia-l is misplaced. Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board vote on narrowing focus

2012-11-02 Thread Nathan
of by it. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser launch update

2012-11-26 Thread Nathan
? I don't really know if that would be easier on you, raise more money or be better for readers, but it's something to consider. Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-04 Thread Nathan
The upshot is, vocal Wikimedians on mailing lists hate banners, and are quite willing to sternly lecture about their dire consequences! It's left to the Foundation, then, to choose between large numbers of donations from happy donors and unamused mailing list participants. Tough call. My own

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-04 Thread Nathan
and pride in their work, and in the future take more care with comments that impugn their work, professionalism and character. Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-21 Thread Nathan
for the 12-13 fiscal year. That is an aggressive increase, even if less aggressive proportionally than we've seen in prior years. Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] deliberately lowered fundraising growth rate (was: Fundraising updates?)

2012-12-21 Thread Nathan
be wrong to raise money purely based on the amount you thought you could raise and without regard to what you plan to responsibly spend. Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee activity levels

2012-12-28 Thread Nathan
The obvious point, which has been made many times on this list over the years, is that activity on mailing lists or meta is not a good proxy for measuring the activity of a member of the board. The best measure would be engagement with the duties of the board (which don't include posting on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-04 Thread Nathan
Tim and Erik's views aren't at all incompatible or mutually exclusive; they're just looking at opposite ends of the same problem, which stated fully is that experienced editors leave and the pace of new editors turning into experienced editors is too low to maintain a steady community size. Erik's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage launch: why no blog post or press release?

2013-01-15 Thread Nathan
The objects of a press embargo are to, as I understand it, coordinate the release of information and make sure that staff are available to answer questions or react to developments after release. I'm sure the WMF has some flexibility within their normal business hours, but... as with any global

Re: [Wikimedia-l] COI versus OUTING

2013-01-21 Thread Nathan
Wikipedia's policies are meant to protect and further the goals of the project, and to offer what little safeguard they can against undue harm to good faith participants. People who try to undermine the project, or act in a way antithetical to its goals, or themselves attempt to cause harm to good

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

2013-02-05 Thread Nathan
Presumably Round 1 disbursements have already been made, which means that the chapters in receipt of funds can choose to spend them how they see fit. But I don't recall seeing plans to donate money to the WCA in funding requests to the FDC, and I suspect that since the WMF has chosen not to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

2013-02-05 Thread Nathan
5, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Presumably Round 1 disbursements have already been made, which means that the chapters in receipt of funds can choose to spend them how they see fit. But I don't recall seeing plans to donate money to the WCA in funding requests to the FDC

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Loading remote resources on Wikimedia wikis

2013-02-08 Thread Nathan
MZ - The last time this came up was in the context of the Jobvite listings, and at the time I believe you directed people to the privacy policy. I don't have the exact quote handy, but I think you said something like the privacy policy of the site or service collecting information has to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-21 Thread Nathan
In fairness to the WMF tech team, and without totally absolving them of delays, it looks like a lot of the delay has been related to problems contacting and exchanging information with the OTRS inventor. Not that the WMF couldn't have put more energy into staying in touch with him, but it's worth

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

2013-02-25 Thread Nathan
That means the only votes belong to those on the Council; this could be easily resolved by other chapters becoming members, as has been said, but presumably some who have refused so far... do so because they have to accept the rights, duties and obligations of a member. These include allowing the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Global bans RFC closed

2013-03-03 Thread Nathan
Hmm. There were 77 comments in support, and 68 comments in opposition, but it was closed as supporting the global bans policy in its current form. Interesting. On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:31 PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: This RFC has previously been discussed on this list. The RFC is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Global bans RFC closed

2013-03-03 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: Note the comments for the second option were to support the position that the policy needed revision. Essentially it means not yet, not I oppose global bans . There were only 17 comments in favor of having no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's non-disclosure agreement

2013-03-06 Thread Nathan
Just out of curiousity, MZ, what is your interest in the text of the NDA? Anyone required to abide by one has seen it and knows what the terms are, and no one who hasn't seen it is bound by it. So other than just being curious, is there are particular reason you want to know more about it?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

2013-03-07 Thread Nathan
In fact, not one single non-anonymous person has ever said anything different than what Marc just posted (as far as I know). James Salsman is alone in his crusade; the people he believes he is fighting for evidently don't desire his help. My suspicion is that this all goes back to his attempt to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] בקשה למרואיין

2013-03-11 Thread Nathan
I too thought the gmail translate worked really well, until I saw Asaf suggest they stop using bad words - which I guess gmail stripped out, because I didn't see any! ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Setting up a Wikimedia Trust (was: Endowment)

2013-03-15 Thread Nathan
be a good idea. ~Nathan On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Creating a new thread because the other is apparently running in circles now. phoebe ayers, 14/03/2013 21:38: Yes. In an university context, which is what I'm most familiar with (and where

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Setting up a Wikimedia Trust (was: Endowment)

2013-03-15 Thread Nathan
to crowdsourcing and existing philanthropic organizations. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se wrote: Nathan skrev 2013-03-15 15:24: no tangible benefit to separating a Trust from the actual ownership and management of the Wikimedia projects. I read the meta page

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia (Foundation) endowment

2013-03-18 Thread Nathan
disruption in income, but avoid some of the challenges of a larger endowment and related campaign. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight

2013-03-23 Thread Nathan
of administrators will continue to perform the bulk of the work as they have been for a long time. When even the committee can't claim they are contributing solutions, it's clear not much will be lost if their role is discontinued while a replacement is sought. ~Nathan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] questions on the use of banner space to promote a cause

2013-03-30 Thread Nathan
I too would say (A) no, (B) no, (C) no and never. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-03 Thread Nathan
This back and forth is tangential to Mike's proposal. Maybe make it a separate thread? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science

2013-04-12 Thread Nathan
haha, that was awesome Oliver! On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: We are Wikimedians from different parts of the world and conducted a study on the world's longest piece of spammed mailing list notification, Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lack of community involvement in WMF budget planning

2013-04-23 Thread Nathan
The necessity of public comment on a detailed budget is overblown. I don't think the Foundation should dedicate a lot of time or resources into getting input into the budget development process from members of the community. This is one area where expertise and the ability to dedicate a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lack of community involvement in WMF budget planning

2013-04-23 Thread Nathan
- and the levers for those roles already exist. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?

2013-04-27 Thread Nathan
I would go the other way, and limit the participants in the election for the community seat to people who are members of the volunteer community. Presumably that would include most members of most organizational boards, but only include those staff and other paid workers who also participate as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-28 Thread Nathan
Asking for money to do something you are passionate about, and being subject to the scrutiny and criticism of your valued peers, was always going to be a wrenching and soul-sucking process. This is a good time to acknowledge that, and to think about how the FDC can make volunteers more comfortable

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-29 Thread Nathan
a recipe for, at an absolute minimum, good-faith mismanagement and waste of scarce donor resources. Avoiding this path was a very wise decision by the trustees, and I only hope they remain resolute despite criticism and Sue's impending departure. Nathan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-29 Thread Nathan
Florence - my comments followed Erlend's in the thread, where he suggested sending resources around the world without regard to which chapters were the most developed. Outside of the paragraph where I referred to WMKH specifically, my comments were not directed at it. In any case, it's fictional

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Nathan
Argh, why do we have to keep going through this over and over again? I'm sure we're long past the point where Sue and many members of the staff are convinced that they will be attacked by someone in reaction to any decision they could make. Maybe that's true, but its no excuse for transforming

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Nathan
If the conflict was primarily with MZMcBride (which seems to be the case), then it was a bit cowardly to overhaul the entire scheme on the site in order to avoid telling him to knock it off. On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Mono monom...@gmail.com wrote: There's been a long-term conflict with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Nathan
It's also worth noting this wasn't a last minute decision at all; its foreshadowed in a number of comments by Philippe going back to seemingly mid-March, and there may be warnings of it earlier. So the WMF staff have been discussing this change internally for at least 6 weeks or so. That's a long

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

2013-05-13 Thread Nathan
should be asking isn't are the rates of expenses in Hong Kong too high but did the purpose of the travel justify the facially reasonable expenses. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

2013-05-13 Thread Nathan
The US federal government maximum rate for lodging Hong Kong is $358 per night.[1] I'm not saying $200 is frugal, it's just not outrageous. [1]:http://aoprals.state.gov/web920/per_diem_action.asp?MenuHide=1PostCode=10261 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

2013-05-13 Thread Nathan
here. I can understand that for senior representatives of the US government on official business, since prestige seems to be an issue there, but for individuals on charity business? I'm not saying outrageous, but I am saying unreasonable…. Thanks, Mike On 13 May 2013, at 21:22, Nathan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffComs $40,000 Hong Kong junket

2013-05-14 Thread Nathan
I think the point got lost that this is the budget (i.e. the maximum allotted), not the actual spending plan. It's highly probable that the actual costs will be something other than the maximum allowed amount. Perhaps we should restrain our outrage until then. Meanwhile, let's start another

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

2013-05-28 Thread Nathan
Pine says no one suggested firing Gayle or Philippe; I think it's clear that whatever semantics are invoked, he did suggest just that. That's beyond inappropriate, in my view, and an example of the toxic environment that will lead to less fruitful communication from the WMF and not more. It's not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Proposed prohibition of local uploads and deletion of non-free-licence working documents of Wikimedia events

2013-05-29 Thread Nathan
Crossed to Wikimedia-l, see Deryck's e-mail below. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Wikimania community, There are currently two discussions on Meta which will have a fundamental impact on the technical logistics of all future Wikimania bids. As

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Solving the China censorship problem

2013-06-08 Thread Nathan
Too bad mailing list posts don't count :-P My editing has been highly sporadic, and for the first time in six years, apparently I don't qualify to vote. On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2013 23:16, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: snip Who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-09 Thread Nathan
I think an official statement would be unnecessary and ill advised. It doesn't affect Wikimedia projects, there is no reason to think it does, and involving itself would be a mistake the WMF can and should avoid. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

2013-06-18 Thread Nathan
, the topic has been debated for many years without real resolution. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 'Periodic Table of Economics': Mapping the Global Economy

2013-06-18 Thread Nathan
Hi Alex, just curious - since you refer to yourself as an economist, what institution(s) are you affiliated with? And can you explain how writing Economy of X articles, no matter how detailed, will solve the problem of uneven resource distribution around the world? On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:13

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Internal-l] 2013-2014 Round 1 FDC eligibility status IRC office hours

2013-07-16 Thread Nathan
or substantial funding to meet the requirements when they don't have the money to pay for administrative help. Perhaps chapters in that situation should ask for small grants for that purpose in the run up to FDC qualification, and then build future admin costs into the FDC proposal? ~Nathan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Internal-l] 2013-2014 Round 1 FDC eligibility status IRC office hours

2013-07-16 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote: Please could you explain why was this message only sent to Internal-l, given the discussions on this list in April about shutting down

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback for the Wikimedia Foundation

2013-07-23 Thread Nathan
. It boggles my mind, to be honest, that the WMF continues to run into these PR crises without having thought through deeply engaging communication plans and feedback loops. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https

[Wikimedia-l] Communication plans for community engagement

2013-07-23 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: As is usually the case, I'm not saying this to have a go at the developers or anyone else involved (who are obviously doing their best), but I think that some of the communication on this topic has been a bit

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