RE: [WISPA] VoIP Is About More Than Replacing The Phone

2006-06-21 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Rich, as I ended my message it is probably the ramblings of a pre-Carterphone decision mentality. However, were my mom alive, she could easily fall in love with $15 a month instead of $60 a month even if there were a slight latency and cellphone quality to the sound. My pop would have loved the

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Sam Tetherow
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality Responses inline... - Original Message -

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread George Rogato
Good points Larry. I agree with your defining backbone and last mile rules and how there should be 2 different sets of standards. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:

Re: [WISPA] Talking Point: Broadband Scandal book

2006-06-21 Thread Peter R.
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: taxes to get subsidized services they would not or could not buy if they were to pay the price voluntarily? 1) I think you are arguing for argument sake. 2) Have you read any of his book? He has data, PR, docs to prove his assertions. And who says that thier

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Peter R.
No such thing as middle ground in regulation. I actually think No Regulation at this point would be better than any of the plans proposed so far. And after compromises, it will just be a litigation fest like the TA96. - Peter Larry Yunker wrote: Dave, I can see your points and I agree

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Peter R.
George, Regulation could not be put into effect that would define last-mile, middle mile and backbone. When I called by Congress Critter's office to ask about his position on NN, the bonehead staffer that answered the phone did not even know what that was! Most of the 500+ elected Congress

Re: [WISPA] Talking Point: Broadband Scandal book

2006-06-21 Thread Brett Hays
SBC has already proven that at $17.99 people will move from dial-up to DSL. So is it that people don't want it or that consumers don't want to pay that much for it? It's like free pie and chips...who doesn't want free pie and chips..it's pie..and chips for free... Sorry, couldn't resist.

my take (was Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality)

2006-06-21 Thread Matt Liotta
I personally think this whole net neutrality is a combination of much ado about nothing and the little guys not learning how to work together. Will the RBOCs be able to wield any real power against the major content companies of the world? No, they won't. But, what about the small operations?

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Larry Yunker
ATT and VZ can't de-peer for another 17 months, so we have that long before it becomes imminent. Where did the 17 month timeframe come from? AFAIK, without Net Neutrality legislation, there is nothing stopping the big guys from pulling the rug out from under the rest of us TODAY. If you are

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Because you're not involved and you, as a content provider, have NO interest in my network. My customer, however, DOES want his VOIP phone to work, as well as your pages to load. Both can happen with QOS employed, no? Your web page loads no matter what. His VOIP phone

Re: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K

2006-06-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
Title: RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K While it may sound great to have a "double standard law," it isn't realistic. I disagree for several reasons. Recent FCC trends have showed that there should NOT be a double standard between Cable and Telcos. The

RE: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

2006-06-21 Thread danlist
Mac Thanks! Exactly what I needed! How is it going down there? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[WISPA] FCC says VoIP Must Pay USF

2006-06-21 Thread Peter R.
http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/060621/telecoms_fcc_usf.html?.v=3 Internet phones must pay into subsidy fund, says FCC Wednesday June 21, 12:03 pm ET By Jeremy Pelofsky WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Consumers who use wireless or Internet-based telephones could see their bills rise, as the U.S. Federal

[WISPA] TechDirt on Bruce Kushnick's book

2006-06-21 Thread Peter R.
Earlier this year, we wrote about http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060131/2021240.shtml Bruce Kushnick's book, $200 Billion Broadband Scandal http://www.newnetworks.com/broadbandscandals.htm , laying out all the details for how the telcos were granted all sorts of subsidies and benefits in

[WISPA] Is Municipal Wi-Fi A Right? If So, Who Pays?

2006-06-21 Thread Peter R.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20060621/tc_zd/181552 para-phrased below The term digital divide is passé and politically incorrect in the context of municipal wireless access. According to industry experts at the MuniWireless Silicon Valley conference, the new nomenclature is digital inclusion

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
Actually, My Outlook Express does the same thing when I reply. I hate it. But I do not know how to turn it off. Does any one know how to turn off the feature that includes the bar on the left, when I reply myself? Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

Re: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K

2006-06-21 Thread Peter R.
Earl Comstock stated it best at ISPCON last year: The reason we are in the mess we call telecom today is that 300 companies with an army of lawyers and lobbyists spent $100's of millions to tell Congress the FCC to regulate them and not us. Regulation generally does NOT work that way. You

Re: [WISPA] Outlook

2006-06-21 Thread Peter R.
Change from HTML or Rich Text to just plain text. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Re: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

2006-06-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
I think this would be a great sales pitch. Currently send a Linksys ($60) out with every new broadband subscriber at install. Why not spend the $18 more and make it a VOIP linksys router with a sticker on the top, plug in phone, goto www.get and instantly activate voice service. It could

Re: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

2006-06-21 Thread George Rogato
I have about 100 subs using my free voip service as a beta project. I realized early on that there was lots to do to bring my system up to snuf to be able to offer a decent voip product. George Tom DeReggi wrote: I think this would be a great sales pitch. Currently send a Linksys ($60) out

RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K

2006-06-21 Thread Paul Hendry
I am and always have been a StarOS fan. They came out on top when we where initially tested various products 2 years ago and have been great since however we had to revisited RouterOS recently when we noticed that the majority of our traffic was 100 - 200 byte packets which was killing our WAR

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Larry Yunker
Turn off the option to compose E-mail in HTML. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality Actually, My Outlook Express does the same

RE: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

2006-06-21 Thread Rick Smith
check THIS out. VOIP ATA / NAT router all in one. http://www.grandstream.com/y-ht496.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

Re: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

2006-06-21 Thread Peter R.
It would be far cheaper to send them a SET-UP CD that includes copies of AVS anti-virus, Ad-aware, and other security software. And has a softphone client on the CD. Soft Phone can be pre-set. CD would have to be autoplay with a GUI. Tom DeReggi wrote: I think this would be a great sales

RE: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

2006-06-21 Thread Paul Hendry
In my experience ATA adapters have always given better quality voice than a software solution. P. www.skyline-networks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: 21 June 2006 21:28 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATA

[WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot

2006-06-21 Thread Jason Hensley
Anyone have a good guide on setting up Mikrotik for a hotspot? I seem to have everything working except for Universal Client. Can someone gives some pointers on getting this going. In versions previous to 2.9 there seemed to be an easy setting, but I can't find anything in 2.9 that matches

RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K

2006-06-21 Thread Charles Wu
Title: Message Hi Stephen, Regarding performance gains, it is worth defining what is meant by that term, as it can be vague and extremely misleading For example, if my solution required a router, the fact that Mikrotik had built in routing, while Alvarion did not, could be interpreted

Re: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

2006-06-21 Thread George Rogato
Rick Smith wrote: check THIS out. VOIP ATA / NAT router all in one. http://www.grandstream.com/y-ht496.htm Rick How much these things running you? I've been using the linksys ones but they are about 100.00 if I recall. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

[WISPA] Critical Time for White Spaces

2006-06-21 Thread John Scrivner
Please read this note from our friend Frannie from Free Press. She needs our help right away! We need to call these Senators. Scriv Hi John and Marlon, We have a crucial vote this week in the Senate Commerce Committee. The Committee will vote on the telecom bill (S.2686) - it's not a good

RE: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-21 Thread tonylist
Yes they are, you have to ask for them but ATT offers these services to business. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering -

Re: [WISPA] Talking Point: Broadband Scandal book

2006-06-21 Thread John Scrivner
Check this out. We net'd an increase in dialup over the last week of plus 2 dialup customers. That's right folks. In this day and age in the summer time no less. We added more dialup than we turned off. I can't believe it but I am not going to turn them away for sure. Dialup still pays a bunch

Re: [WISPA] Talking Point: Broadband Scandal book

2006-06-21 Thread John Scrivner
If you work with your Muni (many of us do) then it can be your life blood in some cases. We do not use local tax dollars but we do use water towers, we connect the police departments to cop cars and fire departments to each other. Stuff like this IS the promise of Muni BB and it is a great

Re: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

2006-06-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
Good idea. Definately would be cheaper, if considering the advertising budget. However, not sure it would be cheaper from support perspective. everyone knows how to plug in a phone, and enter their credit card info on a web form But do something complicated :-), like plug in a

Re: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

2006-06-21 Thread Dylan Oliver
On 6/21/06, Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be far cheaper to send them a SET-UP CD that includes copiesof AVS anti-virus, Ad-aware, and other security software. And has asoftphone client on the CD. Soft Phone can be pre-set.CD would have to be autoplay with a GUI. Forget CDs and load

Re: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K

2006-06-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
Title: Message Charles, Excellent points. However to expand on that. Mikrotik added software feature is looked at as added value but in some cases looked at as a negative feature. For example, sometimes all I want is an easy to install bridge. I take a Trango out of the box, and bam its

RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

2006-06-21 Thread Mike Delp
George, Check out the link Mac sent. It had the handytone for about $58. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
That's not quite it. I have never had my OE set to compose html... There's one more setting. From the main screen it is Tools - Options - Send (tab) Uncheck 'reply to messages in the format they were sent or something close to that. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal

Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality

2006-06-21 Thread Mark Nash
{oops...responded to the wrong message...MODERATOR! MODERATOR!!!} Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List