I see that now. I was then looking at the 532 but the spec sheet on the web
does not list power consumption limits? Does anyone know if a RB532 and
daughter card can handle 3 SR9's? Or a single RB 532 with 2 SR9's? I need to
sectorize a pop with 3 120 sectors each into a SR9 and I want to stay as
c
We ourselves, right now need 32. And no, we are not multi-homed.
You have a Good Day now,
Carl A Jeptha
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David E. Smith wrote:
Carl A Jeptha wrote:
My upstream is trying to obtain a set of ip numbers
No, no...stay up!
Good to see Patrick decided to engage the pros and cons of the VL product!
Now maybe we can get some traction on offering up the improvements the VL
product sorely needs. Surely Alvarion wants to improve the product right?
The pros Patrick lists are certainly impressive, but
Brad,
Software controlled dual polarity might be nice. Not sure why you
consistently harp on us though since no one else has it either other
than your longtime preferred vendor.
I am not as convinced about your complaint about RSSI. Is it just used
to RSSI like being used to feet in stead of mete
Patrick,
Rssi is very important to determine if a link is properly aligned and its
achieving its link budget.
Altough we dont use alvarion(yet), we are currently researching backhaul
options and the way we comission ptp links here is that we run the calcs on
radio mobile and spreedsheet to de
Charles Wu wrote:
You guys are argueing about irrelevant topics
Didn't realize we were arguing or that the topic so many have responded
to was irrelevant.
If memory serves me correctly, you provide non-oversubscribed wireless DIA
(leased line replacement) for SMB/Enterprises in a Tier1/2 ur
I have yet to use an Alvarion radio or for that matter one without RSSI.
However, I would think that using SNR is a perfectly reasonable way to
align a link.
-Matt
G. villarini wrote:
Patrick,
Rssi is very important to determine if a link is properly aligned and its
achieving its link budge
Carl A Jeptha wrote:
We ourselves, right now need 32. And no, we are not multi-homed.
32, as in a total of 32 IP addresses?
If that's the case, they shouldn't need to involve ARIN at all. They
should just SWIP that little teensy allocation out of their own space to
you.
(ARIN usually doesn
Right, but the LED bar on the CPE can be used to do that. I mean, isn't
SNR more complete than just RSSI, meaning if your SNR is good than the RSSI is
by default good. Anyway, I have never heard of any moderately experienced VL
user say the units did not convey enough info to easily establi
David E. Smith wrote:
(ARIN usually doesn't need to be involved unless you're working with
at least a /22 allocation, which is 1024 IPs.)
ARIN could be involved if you have a swiped /24 or bigger and want to
multi-home.
-Matt
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I should have also noted that per the info
below, most Alvarion operators simply have a policy that they will only connect
subscribers for whom a minimum number of the green LEDs will fire and hold. For
example, having 4 for of the 8 green LEDs light should get you a link with the
best mod
The problem with SNR for alignment
purposes is that you are dealing with a variable in noise, with rssi you work
with fixed numbers. I’m not dissing SNR, it is extremely important,
But for example, in order to trouble shoot a link … let say I install a
Link and Im seeing a a SNR of 6 on th
Wow Patrick, I'm surprised of your answer. I think I've made it abundantly
clear over the years I'm "open source" when it comes to equipment and choose
the best solution for the application at hand regardless of brand.
I've certainly been more a critique of Trango and many other products than I
h
SNR isn't the same thing and doesn't allow you to squeeze the ever last bit
if signal out of a link.
Best,
Brad
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Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 11:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [WI
Exactly, and this is can be compounded on
a new installation as you might be seeing noise or could it be you are just misaligned?
Techs are creatures of habit. They
may think 4 LED bars is all that is ever needed because that’s what they
typically see. The next install they throw up a
If the general concensus is that RSSI is a
must, then I will try to convince PM to add such a reading.
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gin
Re dual polarity via software, I and others have always said it would be
nice. You've never heard me argue against it and you have heard me
acknowledge that this is Trango's key "Trango only" differentiator. But
we all understand that and have acknowledged it many times. Lots of
things are nice, so
Not to beat the horse here but I think having SNR, RSSI and Noise
readings are all things people should have in an advanced platform.
Granted if you have any two you can get the third but just having it all
right there seems logical to me. I am guessing the system could easily
derive all three
http://www.wneweb.com/wireless/wireless_mini-pci.htm
I'm interested in the DCMA-82
The MIMO stuff looks interesting too... but I dunno what you gotta do for an
antenna array...
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Deal. For sure I will ask them to add the reading in the firmware.
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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Sent: Sunday, September 24,
Agreed, VL does have more niche features and some of those can be the sole
reason VL makes the cut and other products do not. As you know VLAN support
was the key feature in this particular case, but simply placing a CPE router
on site will also fill that need.
I'm a believer in the VL product, b
And how about these?
http://www.zcomax.co.uk/doc/GZ-901.pdf
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Patrick, I was quite taken aback at the notion that RSSI wasn't needed.
RSSI is how you align a link. Not SNR. SNR alignment can give you a
misaligned link, where you're avoiding noise, rather than finding max
signal.
Either way, you need both... Just can't do without both, can't imagine
ev
Jon,
I agree with this last post, and give credit where credit is due from that
perspective.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "Jon Langeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, September 22,
Here is the bit from the manual about aligning the CPE using the alignment
meter. Please let me know what is missing and why RSSI is needed in addition.
- Patrick
>From section 3.2, page 49 (of 277) of the VL System Manual, July 2006
Aligning the Subscriber Unit Antenna
The SNR bar display is
Gino,
The prices you state seem way low. I've only see nthat on temporar or Ebay
type buying.
Is their a CONSISTENT source for $225 and $550 pricing in less than 25 qty?
I believe that anyone that is required to buy in qty higher than 25 to get
best price is getting overly burdened and likel
Trango is no where near $400 for Atlas Foxes. Trango's Atlas Fox's distance
without dish is just about the same as the standard Canopy CPE (same DBI
antenna).
Remember that Trango lists retail on their site to protest the WISP. Low
volume WISP special pricing is granted to any WISP.
Tom DeRe
There are arguments against dual band support, as we have discussed
before, though you ridicule our sincere reasoning and call it BS (which
is why I am cautious about discussing these things with you in public).
As I said to you, our R&D folks tell me that RF components that span a
broad frequency
So what is the onesy-twosy price of a Trango Atlas with an extended
range antenna? What is the price for a Canopy Advantage CPE with
extended range? I have plenty of data I've found, but there seems to be
some wide discrepancy here among you folks.
How about total cost for a Canopy cluster with th
A quick look at Trango's and Alvarion's data sheets seem to show that
Alvarion has a higher receive sensitivity, which would seem to confirm
your statement.
-Matt
Patrick Leary wrote:
There are arguments against dual band support, as we have discussed
before, though you ridicule our sincere r
To be fair, you shouldn't leave out OEM products from the discussion
(Mikrotik / StarOS)
These products are actually competitors to all the lines that were listed
herein.
I think the best decission, may be more relevant to what capacity that a
WISP intends to need, and finance ability for the
Where the problems come in are, that paying someone
peice rate does NOT NEGATE the requirement to pay overtime for
Employees.
Nor does it Negate the IRS's definition of what an
EMployee is and a contractor is.
You have to restrict employees to work less than 40
hours or prepair to pay time
Are you saying that Motorola holds the financing?
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'"
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:18 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor sp
No it gives you 10 or 10 half duplex, which is a big difference. Symetrical
does not necessarilly mean at the same time.
Comcast and Verizon use oversubscription the their advantage in marketing,
we use Half Duplex.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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These are good and important questions Tom. I think StarOS and Mikrotik
offer tremendous value for some WISPs, but it really depends. One big
thing it depends on is the operator's exit strategy. Once that money is
spent on a home brew solution, I'm not sure it ever comes back.
BreezeACCESS VL is fu
Hi Tom. What hardware features are you
referring to?
Patrick
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Tom,
I can give you some Canopy buying tips off line ...
Also I would like to add that the $150 Trango fox is basically useless with
the Dish, putting its true price to $250 or so ...
Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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Tom, Can you achieve a solid link with the Trango Atals Fox for more than 1
mile ?
Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent
Trango Atlas CPE with dish $250?
Canopy with dish $275
Canopy Advantage Cluster:
6 Ap's @ $1500 each = $9k (you can start your pop with a fcc certified omni
unit for $2.7k and evolve to a full sector later)
CMM Micro for Power and Sync = $1.5k *optional
BAM - Prizm = $2k *optional
The CMM Micro
.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 3:44 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs
Trango Atlas CPE with dish $250?
Canopy with dish $275
Canopy Advantage Cluster:
6
Hi all,
I just have to say how much I enjoy working in the WISP
marketplace. One of my customers had a power supply failure this
weekend. No inexpensive way to get a replacement to them, and no, no
spare on hand. I looked at our client map and saw Mount Vernon.net
was close to them. One e
the answer is hire a company to do installations for you. if
your employee just happens to own that company, well, oh well…
It’s all invoices. Pay them as normal, and you don’t need to
worry about taxes, etc. Your employee (or sub’d company J…) does
that on their own.
From:
Patrick,
Good list. One question that I have...
Does the VL use polling or is it CSMA/CA?
Your list says it is not some "basic CSMA/CA" but does that mean it is
or is not CSMA/CA?
Thanks very much,
jack
Patrick Leary wrote:
I believe most if not all of the below are feat
So like I suggested before simply put another $40 Atheros radio in there
tuned to 5.3GHz. This has been mentioned before by more than just me.
How is that a simple CM9 (Atheros radio) is capable of 5.3GHz and 5.8GHz
with little or no degradation? I think your R&D folks are not being as
forthcomi
lol…you are kidding right Patrick?
Brad
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Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006
5:03 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs
Hi Tom. What hardware
features are yo
Yes, Motorola provides a service to any customer that purchases or has
a canopy product installed for service. This is a $40 mail in rebate
that has to have a unique MAC address of the radio installed supplied.
The end customer receives this rebate from Motorola. The ISP is
prohibited from
What’s to kid about? What features? Unless
plastic with little options or choice except those ungainly reflectors are
considered a benefit in the hardware.
Patrick
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006
6:45
Ahhh... there's always a catch... so now Motorola has your customer's
address and can use that for their own marketing, etc. without you ever
knowing. They could possibly even sell the list to someone (ClearWire)
down the road and you would never know.
Travis
Microserv
Anthony Will wrote:
Ye
Speaking of Clearwire, folks here are aware that Motorola now owns
NextNet, the hardware supplier to Clearwire (that once was part of
Clearwire, at least in ownership terms), right? The purchase was IN
ADDITION to the $300M investment Motorola made into Clearwire
http://telephonyonline.com/wireless
No, it is my understanding that within the contractual terms of the
agreement they are not allowed to directly solicit or sell my customers
information.
Anthony Will
Travis Johnson wrote:
Ahhh... there's always a catch... so now Motorola has your customer's
address and can use that for their
I'm sure most know that was a 'play' and basically secured Moto's
position to sell WIMAX gear to the 2nd largest 2.5GHz spectrum holder.
It would have been interesting if Alvarion had been in their place...not
sure if you guys have that kind of change sitting around.
Jon Langeler
Michwave Tech
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