Not exactly correct.
You do not want to run under the ISP service! It does not allow data.
It is for devices that do things with RF energy- not ones that communicate
There is a good old example of a wireless integrator who was using illegal 1
watt amps on Cisco 340 access points to distribute
900 and 2.4 are ISM
Sent from my Motorola Startac...
On Apr 26, 2010, at 2:30 AM, ralphlists ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote:
Not exactly correct.
You do not want to run under the ISP service! It does not allow data.
It is for devices that do things with RF energy- not ones that
communicate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISM_band
In the United States of America, ISM uses of the ISM bands are
governed by Part 18 of the FCC rules, while Part 15 Subpart B contains
the rules for unlicensed communication devices, even those that use
the ISM frequencies. Part 18 ISM rules prohibit using ISM
Obviously I typo'd ISP rather than ISM.
And Phil came up with the rule part (18) that I was trying to remember last
night.
Stay away from ISM (as a service) unless you want hefty fines.
Remember that although some call the original Part 15 wireless spectrum The
ISM Band, we are not ISM users!
Correct my if I'm wrong but don't HAMS have use of the lower portion of the
2.4ghz band???
And if so they are not subject to the EIRP limits and equipment
certification that we are, so in theory a HAM could put up a 1000 watt
transmitter and un-intentionally cause us interference and there is
On 4/27/2010 9:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Correct my if I'm wrong but don't HAMS have use of the lower portion of the
2.4ghz band???
And if so they are not subject to the EIRP limits and equipment
certification that we are, so in theory a HAM could put up a 1000 watt
transmitter and
On 4/26/2010 9:29 AM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote:
On 4/27/2010 9:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Correct my if I'm wrong but don't HAMS have use of the lower portion
of the
2.4ghz band???
And if so they are not subject to the EIRP limits and equipment
certification that we are, so in theory a HAM
Thanks for the clarification.
When you say does not allow data, do you mean spread spectrum
communications? For example, isn't the little slice of unlicensed
spectrum at 49 MHz an ISM band? There are plenty of devices that use
that for non spread spectrum data transmission. Or is this another
I'm having a terrible time finding what kind of wind load my 170ft tower
will take. Anyone have a spec sheet to forward me?
Brian
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HAMs have a secondary license (Lower than Licensed, but higher than
unlicensed). HAMs can use 2390MHz-2450MHz and put out a max EIRP of
1.5kW, but in that RF range (2.4GHz) that is called a microwave
oven. HAMs can also use 5650MHz-5925MHz.
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Hambands_color.pdf
On
49MHz is not an ISM frequency
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.PDF
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Patrick Shoemaker
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com wrote:
Thanks for the clarification.
When you say does not allow data, do you mean spread spectrum
communications? For example, isn't
I was curious to what other e-mail lists that people on WISPA follow
related to the industry? Off hand, I know of / use WISPA and TowerTalk.
What are some of your other favorites, including vendor specific ones?
Thank you in advance.
On 4/26/2010 10:06 AM, Philip Dorr wrote:
HAMs have a secondary license (Lower than Licensed, but higher than
unlicensed). HAMs can use 2390MHz-2450MHz and put out a max EIRP of
1.5kW, but in that RF range (2.4GHz) that is called a microwave
oven. HAMs can also use 5650MHz-5925MHz.
I've never heard of anyone actually getting hit like that.
I know far more that work the system.
My neighbor asked if she could put me down as someone she applied with. She
wanted to say that she asked me every week.
Pissed me off. She works at a school district. She KNEW she'd be laid off
yeah.
I spent 40 minutes on the phone just trying to get to a support person that
could help with a business grade dsl line the other day.
The first company that I called (the support line that showed on the
internet) said that they (CenturyLink) didn't have any record of the
account. They
That was exactly my thoughts, right after a mild panic attack (Qwest
copper is part of my upstream). Now I have a little more incentive to
get that relay to the Verizon/Charter side of the mountain (as evil as
Big Red is, they are better!)
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
We only keep notes on things like mean dogs etc.
It's easy to add significantly to the time needed by trying to keep track of
every little detail.
We're not the government. The next guy will figure out soon enough that
he's got to sign in to get admittance. I don't hire idiots. grin
marlon
Typical. It's been that way for years.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 26, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
yeah.
I spent 40 minutes on the phone just trying to get to a support
person that
could help with a business grade dsl line the other day.
The first
A have to say, some pf those past comments are a bit unfair, and not
relevent to the question asked.
Maybe because Patrick is now at Aperto, and not here to defend Alvarion? :-)
We dont deploy Alvarion, but we have used it in some cases. It simply is not
cost justified for us, since how we
For those of you on the Mikrotik list I apologize for the dup post but I
only got one response from that inquiry.
Are any of you using Freshbooks for billing services? For those who are
using it, what has your experience been? Have you had any support issues
and what has their support response
Having been a VL user since 2003, I can say it performs well in noisy
enviorments with nothing more than 90 degree sectors, noisy areas with
120's, not so much.
It performs amazing in rural applications with little noise. Also to
repeat what Tom said, they are extremely clean and efficient
What size guy wire did you use and how far away are the anchors?
Thanks,
Cameron Kilton
Project Manager
Midcoast Internet Solutions
http://www.midcoast.com
c...@midcoast.com
(207) 594-8277 x 108
On 4/26/2010 10:04 AM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
I'm having a terrible time finding what kind of
If anyone has multiple PSTN lines at multiple addresses read this!
I had a customer with two PSTN lines at two addresses - one was a gas
station, the other an office. After the merger/buyout/whatever they split
the bills and left the office one on autopay but the other line was left
there to
CenturyLink has the worst billing system in the country. We resell DSL
through them, let me tell you its a nightmare.
Takes a few months to get new customers on the billing worksheet, and even
longer to get them off, its a daily fight to get credits for over billing,
AND our per customer bill rate
3' and a metal enclosure.
grin
- Original Message -
From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?
Wow,
So my question would be, what sort
Thats what I want to hear, I have a number of DSL lines from Qwest as
well. More relays STAT!!
Time to really push up that airmax deployment.
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com wrote:
CenturyLink has the worst billing system in the country. We resell DSL
through
For those WISPs who are licensed hams, that certainly suggests a unique way
to get rid of your competitors who aren't :-)
Tom S.
WA6HAS
- Original Message -
From: Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISM vs
Doh, missing word, 'Thats not what I want'
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
Thats what I want to hear, I have a number of DSL lines from Qwest as
well. More relays STAT!!
Time to really push up that airmax deployment.
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:31
http://www.rohnnet.com/rohn-45g-tower
Has all the info you need, if you built it to spec.
Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of
We've been using VL since it came out. I would also recommend the 5.5.26
firmware for vl 5.8ghz.
We routinely install it on overlapping or adjacent channels on the same
tower. (I.e. 5830 for a backhaul, 5820 for a sector 40 feet away).
If you have revA gear, change it to rev C or better and
I am new to ubnt equipment so I have some reservations. I have a large
customer that I was considering making a point to point using the
nanobridge M units. I am concerned with the quality of this unit.
Anyone use this unit?
Sent from my iPhone
I have nothing but good things to say about the nanoSTATION but I've not
used any other full unit from Ubnt.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
---
In the radio design, I was concerned with water entering through the
plastic case into the Ethernet port. This is a 500/month customer so
maybe I shouldn't be looking at 160.00 link for something like this.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 26, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Josh Luthman
If they're made like the AirGrid feeds, the Airgrids are sealed with silicone.
Lesson learned from the water loving Bullets.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 1:24 PM
We have a few of them out and about, So far no problems with them. Had hard
rain last night too, no nanobridges down. Every one we have put up has done
20+Mb/s in 10mhz of space. So we like it.
Nick Olsen
Network Engineer / Customer Support
(321) 205-1100 x106
I have not read this full thread to know if I'm repeating what others have
said but here is my take.
Probably the best advise I can give anyone on anything is to take and record
excellent documentation on everything from day one, befor it skyrockets out
of hand.
First, it is the number one
I've had VL for a number of years now. Only 7 subs or so on it.
Over all I'd say the product is great.
Except for one thing. At random times, usually 8am monday morn but others
as well, it'll just quit passing traffic. I have 2 ap's at the same tower
and they'll both go down at the same
I get invoices from them via Butch. No problems with them as a customer...
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:16 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Freshbooks
For those of you on the
So what sort of pps ratio are you getting on VL? Are you selling voice over
multipoint? How many *lines* are you putting out on a CPE and supporting
reliably -- 5? 10? 20?
Also, could you send me that 500+ page pdf? Can't seem to find it anywhere on
Alvarion's site
-Charles
-Original
Yes; a very dirty and disreputable way. Any ham who tries this should
remember that "What goes around comes around".
jack K6XS
Tom Sharples wrote:
For those WISPs who are licensed hams, that certainly suggests a unique way
to get rid of your competitors who aren't :-)
Tom S.
WA6HAS
A good place to start is with their forums, lots of feedback on there.
From my experience the design needs some tweaking, the way you access
the ethernet is difficult. The ethernet connector is not shielded
either. Some people have complained about low output, but I haven't seen
that yet.
Aside the moral issue with that, is it not 'no commercial
transactions' when operating under ham rules?
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:
Yes; a very dirty and disreputable way. Any ham who tries this should
remember that What goes around comes around.
jack
As you can imagine, Butch is the only person that responded on his MT
list and had nothing but good things to say. Good to know the customer
experience is acceptable. Thanks Marlon!
Dylan
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of
Correct. Ham radio can not be used for any commercial purpose.
WISP-type operation for money is not legal. A ham radio club could
operate an Internet-connected access point for their own use (like for
emergency communications, experimentation, etc.) but the access point
and each end-point
Just fired up the Imagestream gateway router we picked up on Ebay. It was
supposed to have been returned to factory defaults, but apparently was not,
since I can't get in using root / blank on the CLI. Does anyone out here
know how to reset the unit? I can't find any on-line documentation that
We use it and like it, but it will not yet link with other credit card
providers, like Chuck Wu and others. This is a big gripe of mine. Excellent
free service for your subcontractor/ installers to keep track and to bill to
your wisp.
Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-Access, Inc.
www.cv-access.com
Anyone use voxcorp for their voip and have a good billing solution.
What we are doing now to bill is not practical.
Thanks.
Sent from my iPhone
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What kind of ImageStream is this?
I know you have to reboot it and do something when it first starts. If
memory serves me right you have to hit enter when it's loading with the
at the bottom...
I can run over to the closet and get the bitrates of my Rebel if you need
them.
Josh
What kind of realistic throughput are people getting out of these?
10, 20 and 40meg channels? Where I want to try one I doubt I can
spare 40meg of 5.8. Was thinking of a 3 foot dual polarity dish and
big backhaul.
Matt
It's the Imagestream Gateway Router model, large rack-mount box with a
ventilation filter door on the left.
Tom S.
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] On
http://www.imagestream.com/Gateway.html
You can call support and then leave a message. Paul (maybe Josh) will call
you back and tell you how it's done in a few minutes.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final, failure
Figured it out - you have to use the failsafe option when booting, that gives
you a menu you can use to erase the existing password. One of those special
features I guess, at least if you google Imagestream and password reset or
similar keywords you don't find it.
Thanks,
Tom S.
-
Thanks, I just discovered this too :-) Should have plinked around a bit more
before posting.
- Original Message -
From: Eric Plikuhn wispa-l...@plikuhn.com
To: tsharp...@qorvus.com
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 12:54 PM
Subject: Off-list Re: [WISPA] On a more serious note - Imagestream
We are looking local tech service and support for the following cities.
Birmingham, AL
Chicago, IL
Athens, GA
Lafayette, LA
Normal, IL
Little Rock, AR
Typically it is troubleshooting routers. Please email me directly if you are
interested or have suggestions.
Thanks,
Mike
I'll help Google out a bit...
http://iam8up.com/?p=845
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:54 PM,
Note this isn't offlist =P
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Tom Sharples
I've got a 10 mile link with two Ubiquiti 2ft dishes -60 or so on both
sides, I can get 77 megs one way and 58 the other, one side has some
noise issues hurting throughput. This was mcs15 130/117.
Regards
Michael Baird
What kind of realistic throughput are people getting out of these?
10, 20
Oops, actually that's wrong. I've got a rocket m5/rocketdish 30 on one
side, and a rocket m5/rocket 120/19 db sector on the other.
Regards
Michael Baird
I've got a 10 mile link with two Ubiquiti 2ft dishes -60 or so on both
sides, I can get 77 megs one way and 58 the other, one side has some
I have a nano5 almost 2 miles out that can push 130 in tests.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 3:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Rocket M5
What kind of realistic
I've got a 10 mile link with two Ubiquiti 2ft dishes -60 or so on both
sides, I can get 77 megs one way and 58 the other, one side has some
noise issues hurting throughput. This was mcs15 130/117.
What is the channel size?
Matt
Jeremie,
Hit me off list or call me at your convenience.
Joe
Joe Fiero
CEO
NuTel Broadband Corporation
769 Basque Way Suite 650
Carson City, Nevada 89706
Direct-732-364-4161
joe.fi...@nutelbroadband.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
We have a 27 Mile engineered link with Rocket 5's using Pac Wireless 3 foot
dual pole dishes.
-71 db signal 62 down and 38 up on normal days, bad weather days get 40 down
and 23 up.
On 40Mhz channels btw.
Ryan
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:
I've got a 10 mile
Is that a 'ptp' link or a 'ptmp' link?
The sector hints at this being the latter. Also, what sort of pps are
you seeing on this link?
ryan
On Apr 26, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote:
Oops, actually that's wrong. I've got a rocket m5/rocketdish 30 on one
side, and a
On 04/26/2010 03:03 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
Correct. Ham radio can not be used for any commercial purpose.
WISP-type operation for money is not legal. A ham radio club could
operate an Internet-connected access point for their own use (like for
emergency communications, experimentation, etc.)
Are any of you presently using USF Funds to subsidize VOIP telephone
service across their wireless network?
Marco
--
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036
WISPA
I just wish I could load Router OS on my Ubiquity CPE's
How do you know that you cant?
UBQTs are MIPs processors and MT has MIPs compiled OSs.
Has anyone tried?
I'd argue the opposite... I love Mikrotik Hardware, the one entity that
understands the value of making Mutli-port ethernet at the
I'm very interested in your reported data. Its nice to see the results
actually using a spectrum analyzer.
Actually, we thought it was possibly advantageous to have the slots stacked
because of the ease to fasten a isolation barrier between cards. And we
feared that cards side by side would
OOPs. I just looked at your pictures, and see you were using R5H mmcx single
antenna port cards, properly terminating Nconnectors, and thick pigtails.
Clearly there is no better way to test accurately than how you tested. That
is a big surprise, and valuable to know.
Would still be interested
From what I have heard memory requirements are much higher in RouterOS.
I'd expect Mikrotik went out of their way to break it on Ubnt, too.
Not to mention the fact that you'll need to buy a MT license for each device
(even at $35/cpe that adds up).
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct:
Hi all,
We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying
to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks.
1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate
2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment
We would love to here your
yeah, but wouldn't it be nice to use UBQT CPE for 95% of the installs, and
still be able to use a 3-9 eth port SBC when it is needed the remainig 5%,
without having to deploy a new AP? Of course, there is the option to use MT
AP and UBQT CPE, but that wont happen in my network until the two
I've been using MT APs and Ubnt CPEs. Been very happy with them.
I do lose the speed test on the CPE, but it hasn't really been a big loss
compared to what I save (something like $215 to $70 per CPE).
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Liam Cummings
lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com wrote:
Hi all,
We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying
to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks.
1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate
Are you bridging at the AP and CPE, and does it work?
Something something that was brought to my attention is that UBQT has Iperf
built in at teh command line. So technically, if we used UBQT at the CPE and
MT as AP, we could still do speed tests easilly, since all our MT APs plug
into our
It seems to bridge ok, but I primarily NAT the customers.
I've read reports it doesn't carry OSPF packets right.
On 4/26/10, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote:
Are you bridging at the AP and CPE, and does it work?
Something something that was brought to my attention is that UBQT has
On 26 April 2010 20:28, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
It seems to bridge ok, but I primarily NAT the customers.
I've read reports it doesn't carry OSPF packets right.
It seems to behave ok if you do WDS AP/WDS Client and enable Multicast.
FWIW...
The Ubiquiti Rocket M's are SBC, running Linux/ Open-wrt, and have the
following processor... on them...
-
Atheros MIPS 24KC, 400MHz
Memory Information 64MB SDRAM, 8MB Flash
Operating Temperature -30C to 75C
Networking Interface 1 X 10/100 BASE-TX (Cat. 5, RJ-45) Ethernet
OSPF does not like Proxy ARP, hence the WDS requirement. I have not
turned on multicast when doing this.
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:
On 26 April 2010 20:28, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
It seems to bridge ok, but I primarily NAT
Hi Liam:
We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so
away from you).
I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the
billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after
many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the
On 04/26/2010 08:12 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
Are you bridging at the AP and CPE, and does it work?
Something something that was brought to my attention is that UBQT has Iperf
built in at teh command line. So technically, if we used UBQT at the CPE and
MT as AP, we could still do speed tests
Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No
more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
Hello, and welcome!.
You may want to join WISPA as soon as possible. It will be the best money
you spend before opening the doors. Membership will help you and your new
business in many ways; low legal filings, many forms and contracts available
for download, the list archives are worth the
I don't know about the newer M line but I know before that (speaking of the
NS, PS, Bullet, Microstation, Picostation) at least one hurdle people were
running into in their quest to put what they thought was better firmware into
the UBNT line was memory. There just wasn't enough.
It would be
Um Yeah. Kinda thought the same thing...
- Original Message -
From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?
Thanks, good points.
Anyone ever learn what method StarOS finally converted to, to reliably
bridge and use WDS? Their later V3 product does it nicely.
Its took them a number of tries and revs to get it tweaked right, for PtMP,
but the end product is nice, and its all automatic if StarOS on both
That takes me to a question: Does it make a difference if you use two
RocketdishM5 for both ends or another brand (Mikrotik, StarOS, etc) on
one end?
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote:
Oops, actually that's wrong. I've got a rocket m5/rocketdish 30 on one
Yes. We let and encourage all our customers to pick their own routers (so
they are liable for their decission, not us), which is why we like to bridge
at customer CPE end.
The reason we need 5-9 eth ports is for when we serve shopping centers or
industrial park warehouse type clients.
We run
There is enough RAM (64mb), there just isn't a large enough Flash, only 8k.
So not easy getting MT on a UBQT.
But the otherway around could work. Meaning putting UBQT OS (more or less
OpenWRT) onto the MT.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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