OSPF Full duplex is no biggy, anyone can do it and is well documented,
but I don't think he needs that. I would just put up a link and be
happy! Keep in mind, installation is key to a quality and reliable
link!
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun.
Distributors, http://store.jeffcosoho.com, a WISPA vendor member, DO have the
ability to sell FCC Mikrotik CERTIFED SYSTEMS! These include the FCC sticker
that is required as well as the information you guys have asked about already!
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You can do 30+ meg with a 20mhz A link without issues, for the cheap.
Don't remember how far you go, but with proper antennas, 10 miles is no
prob and under 1k without issues.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. S
Believe this is in the documentation MT provides.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
On Wed, 2009-09-16
Hello all,
I am part of a group installing a wireless network in rural Honduras
for a growing educational system with a chapter of Engineers Without
Borders (http://ewb-usa.org). We are creating a 7 node wireless
network spanning a 3 mile radius. Since Honduras is very prone to
rain storms
I'd do a trango45 link, with 2' dual polarity dishes. That'd be the most
flexible for 5.4-5.8 approved.
You could also use used Alvarion gear like a b28 set or VL-AU and SU-54
and come in under the budget.
We've also got in service Alvarion B14 (slightly slow), Mikrotik based
links, and now a
I had this with XR9's. Replace the XR9 on sub B.
Tom DeReggi wrote:
> I have a problem with Mikrotik I have not been able to solve. Wondering if
> anyone has any insight.
>
> A summary config is
>
> I have a 433AH setup as AP with 1 XR900 and 1 R5H (5.8Ghz). The Cat5
> Ethernet port goes t
Well your problem reminded me of wds + nstreme problem is why I
brought it up. I believe wireless-test will fix this.
Any way you could test the links disconnected from the rest of the
network and see if stressing the links drops it?
Are the links losing wireless association?
On 9/16/09, Tom De
No I am not using nstreme now.
However, to expand on the conversationsand history of the job I am
using WDS because that is the standard configuration that has always worked
for us. We have a central routing platform at the nearest regional tower and
bandwdith manage via VLAN, so we wan
If your 5.7 spectrum is crowded, you might consider TrangoLink45's. Hang em and
forget em.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:39 PM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA Ge
I don't recall the distances you needed to run, but we've had really
good luck with the Solectek Skyway 7000 products and have quite a few
installed as backbone PTP links.
I believe they are in the price range you are looking at.
Bret
Josh Luthman wrote:
Assuming you can get 40mhz of 5
Assuming you can get 40mhz of 5ghz spectrum and not need it anymore,
MT is great and it's cheap. Finding that 40mhz is your major concern.
I am running two backhauls, each with two pairs of radios (that's
40mhz of spectrum) and they're 99% awesome. Don't use the 532/333
(433ah IMO) or dual nstrem
Marlon,
I haven't seen every post on this thread but have been keeping eye on it at
a distance...
Why would you not want to use a MT solution for about $500 for the link
with the ability to easily go 30/60MB depending on 20/40Mhz channel. I'd
say its proven there are a multitude of people th
As I linked to previously, there is a search feature on the FCC site. It lists
20+ certifications for RouterBoard product, as I previously posted, including
R52H, R52, R52N, R5H, etc. This is what I emailed back on 9/14:
Go to:
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm
Put
If there's any chance of your ever wanting more bandwidth, I'd not go
to 3.65 for the link.
However, our experience with Redline is pretty good too. We don't use
them these days but if I weren't happy with Alvarion, that's where I'd
go for relatively low cost back haul links. I say "relative
To answer your question, we're using the B14, B28, and B100's from
Alvarion for this kind of thing. We're extremely happy. I think the
pricing is close to your goal, but the truth is, I don't recall what
it costs off hand.
Chuck
On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> Uh, g
Marlon - looked into Redline an80i 3.65? It's like 3k for the low
speed key of 14 megs and maybe 4k for something more like 40 megs.
You can upgrade from low to high speed key later at no dollar penalty.
Keep in mind low speed is 7mhz and high speed is 20mhz.
On 9/16/09, Marlon K. Schafer wrot
Yeah what was I thinking :-D
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
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>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Butch Evans
>Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:01 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 14:47 -0600, 3-dB Networks wrote:
> I really haven't followed this thread that closely... but with this much
> confusion... Mikrotik should probably explain how and why they are FCC
> legal. Most manufacturers put at the end of their user manuals a detailed
> explanation of
Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the original question!
I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. 20 megs
both ways will do just fine for now.
What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. Something less
than $3000 if it's at all possible
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote:
> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC
> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval.
> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board
> wireless.
You are half correct. The Crossroa
Though it is a requirement (as Tim set out), the requirement doesn't
really have a lot of teeth in my view. If a competitor doesn't want
you on, they can design it so it's hard to get on.
For example, a fiber carrier has to have an attachment point built in
for you to attach at a given locat
I have tried a couple of different units. I keep coming back to the Andrew
grids. Rock solid, relatively light, consistent performers.
laters,
marlon
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From: "Scott Reed"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 g
Well this is strange, we've seen it on different model Grids. We saw the
same behavior with Non-M and M based Bullets.
The signal just keeps bouncing 20db from -74 to -94 for example, with an
Andrew it is solid at around the -74. Is it possible they are defective?
I can't see how we could be ass
Hi Chuck-
I already said that the FCC site only shows tests for the Crossroads, the
411 and a couple of cards.
That is all that is on the site.
I posted links to exact things.
If you know of other products (that are not just variations of the same
wireless card) then PLEASE post exact links.
---
Hi Gino-
If you are addressing that to me, I am most certainly not confusing it.
Anyway it doesn't matter. Both have to be met.
And you do too, if you assemble it into an product.
Sounds like your 25 year old TV was tested and the manufacturer properly
labeled it.
The manufacturer also properly
Don't confuse the FCC aproval of the routerboard emmisions as a CPU
with the actual FCC certification of a rf system with radio pigtail
and antenna
Even my 25 year old tv has a FCC label stating it complies with
emmisions
Sent from my Motorola Startac...
On Sep 16, 2009, at 4:42 PM, "Josh
The test results are available on the FCC website.
Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of ralph
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009
I really haven't followed this thread that closely... but with this much
confusion... Mikrotik should probably explain how and why they are FCC
legal. Most manufacturers put at the end of their user manuals a detailed
explanation of their regulatory compliance... Mikrotik should take the time
to d
Anyone? I can't find any.
Brian
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Pretty sure they all say 411, or 433, or 493, etc.
In fact the crossroads also said 411 I think...
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"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
I can't look again because I just dropped it off at UPS to go back for RMA.
I had never opened this one until now, but the board say 433 and the case
says 433AH. I bought a 433AH
Is the board in a 433AH board marked as such or do they all say 433?
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From: wireless-boun..
Sorry Eje- No need for personal criticism. If you don't like the discussion,
then press delete- but don't try to silence me.
What I would like to see happen is for MT to show us the testing. They
shouldn't have anything to hide.
As has been said before, no one can know whether it was actually test
The FCC logo on the RB433AH is right next to the "CE" logo just to the
left of the two (ram?) chips about 2/3 of the way down the board.
ralph wrote:
> I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to.
> I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known supplier of
> pre-
You are correct. My mistake for comparing an all ODU radio set to a split
architecture radio set.
Best,
Brad
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:19 PM
To: 'WISPA Gener
They have a RB/411r which has it onboard.
Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:
Throughput accelerator is a compression scheme... so it depends on the
traffic going across it what it is going to deliver. No matter what
though... it will deliver more traffic with no penalty than the Duo.
If you're going to look at the Apex... compare it to the Horizon Compact...
apples for ap
This is interesting. What does "Throughput with Accelerator" and "Up to"
mean? Is there any explanation of this technology and how they claim it
works?
It should be noted the Quantum RX Sensitivity required to achieve their
Modulation Schemes is about 5-7db worse than Trango Apex. So, it's like
$8500 per this:
http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
Josh Luthman
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What does 24 GHz pricing look like for a link?
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From: Randy Cosby
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:12:28
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligo Backhauls
I'm getting close to ordering some soon, 24 and 11GHz.
You may want
There might be some potential line-of-site microwave shots
to communities just above and outside of Death Valley.
Beatty, AZ looks promising.
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> -Origi
Time to stop this thread since your just spreading FUD.. Read my other
posts.
All MikroTik products do have the appropriate FCC certification and/or
testing done on them.
/ Eje
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Se
You found the RB411R unit which do have a onboard radio. The regular RB411
does not have a built on radio. The RB411R needs to be certified under part
15 as a transceiver and has been certified. The normal RB411 does not have a
transceiver on them and been self tested as a Class B device and there
And the part 15 type B certification is a self certification process with no
filing needed with the FCC and there for no FCC id number provided. Majority
of the testing is line noise testing ie what possible signals the device
might be outputting into the electrical grid. That is where the most
str
Are you sure?
When I looked at the internal photos of what they had tested, on the FCC
site, it looked like there was a pigtail from an N connector plugged onto
the mother board.
I saw a mini-pci connector too, but it appeared to be empty.
I will look again- maybe my old eyes are playing tricks.
I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to.
I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known supplier of
pre-cased RBs
There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule or any FCC
numbers at all.
There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside
I agree... the Furnace Creek hotspots are actually all offline at the
moment... they were fed by T-1 lines...
Anyways as I just posted I'm looking to build backhaul in... so hoping to
buy bandwidth from a WISP somewhere nearby
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>-Original
Furnace Creek Ranch would be nice... but realistically I'm looking for a PoP
and considering building my own backhaul into the site.
All they could find was T-1 lines... doing it as a favor ;-D
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-bou
The Routerboards without built in radio cards are Part B certified devices
(which is a self certification process with no filing with the FCC
required). The manufacturer just need to have the documentation to provide
in case of a FCC inquiry. If memory serves me right MikroTik used to have
their te
Not to mention less than 6 watts of power usage if I remember!
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The new RB411R do have a onboard wireless interface.
/ Eje
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
An RB411
Furnace Creek has a cafe hotspot and an intermittent ranger station
hotspot and Stovepipe Wells might have a hotspot by now as well. No
WISP service that I found. And almost no cellular coverage anywhere.
Since Death Valley barely has any year-around residents and covers
such a large area, it pr
What does the FCC symbol stamped on my RB433AH signify? (see
http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb433ah.pdf)
Where does one look to see what devices are FCC part-15 Class A and B
certified?
Randy
Mike Hammett wrote:
> An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads
> d
An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads
does, however.
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "ralph"
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM
To: "'WISPA General
Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the
wireless card.
It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just like
your PC.
So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the
things that people are disagreeing on, it still
Death Valley is a fairly large area. Can you be more specific about
where you are looking for coverage?
3-dB Networks wrote:
> Anyone know of any WISP's near Death Valley?
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> 3-dB Networks
>
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
Anyone know of any WISP's near Death Valley?
Daniel White
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You gave it away
160 employees, lots of installs in many countries. Seems to be a pretty
well-tested, well-respected product line.
I don't know if the licensed (11, 18, 23ghz) models are from the same
company. They seem higher performance than what Saf technika makes.
Randy
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Saf technika
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On Sep 16, 2009, at 12:13 PM, "Randy Cosby" wrote:
> I'm getting close to ordering some soon, 24 and 11GHz.
>
> You may want to check the FCC filing for the 24Ghz version. It's
> quite
> enlightening. In my case, it increased my confidence in t
You're not using nstreme are you?
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On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Tom
..."with no loss of config" is not exactly true - it depends on what version
you're running before. Some upgrades brick, some do it flawless. If you're
coming form anything in 3.x to 3.28 you should be ok, though I'd upgrade to
3.13 first.
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Does anyone know what became of this company?
They used to be in Austin TX
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Tom,
Be sure to upgrade the bios firmware as well when you go to 3.28 You
can upgrade the firmware with no loss of config, but to upgrade the bios you
have to be in the CLI. System routerboard print (shows you the version you
are running with upgrade available) Then type "system routerboard u
I'm getting close to ordering some soon, 24 and 11GHz.
You may want to check the FCC filing for the 24Ghz version. It's quite
enlightening. In my case, it increased my confidence in the product,
know who builds it and what their track record is. I won't give it away
here :)
Randy
Josh Lu
Thank you Brian. That is exactly what I wanted to know. Vendors who
spend the time to go through the DFS2 certification process will be
rewarded.. with $.
Randy
Brian Webster wrote:
> I think the point about certification was specifically asked regarding
> the 5.4 version and having been ap
I agree. The (ongoing) debate seems to have many facets.
Regarding 5.2/5.4 if there is no DFS the device is not only non-compliant but
likely to attract black helicopters.
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, September
My experience with the Ligo and Deliberant equipment is fantastic. The only
time I've done anything with my backhauls (all unlicensed right now) in
particular in the past 6 months is when I've made changes. It works, works
great, and I don't have to worry. VERY rich feature set in their new stuff
Thank You,Which is a very relevent question for two reasons...
1) Because, FCC is much more serious about enforcing DFS certification in the
5.4 band, since it can cause real harm to pre-existing 5.4G incumbands if DFS
does not work propery, compared to certification issues that are meaningless
I know at least two people are using 3.65 and 24ghz LigoWave units. From
what they say they're great. Please post your experiences you two!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains
Can I piggyback here?
Is anyone using the Ligo unlicensed backhauls (or the licensed ones for
that matter) in a true "carrier-grade" environment, where any amount of
downtime is unacceptable? Can I expect Motorola grade performance out of
them, or am I stuck with Trango-style bugs and quirks?
PAul,
I'll try updating the firmware, that makes sense to try.
Upgrading from 3.10 to 3.28, is it likely that I can do that remotely
without my client configuration getting lost in the process?
(I know how to upgrade packages, I just didn't know if config files are
consistent through all the V3.X
So what's the real deal with the Ligo licensed backhauls?
Anyone on the list using them? Performance good? Problems?
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Yes, but it only applies to the infrastructure paid for by grant proceeds.
And its up to the applicant to define how and at what price they share
wholesale access to their network.
Strategically... I had a few thoughts on that, that I missed while working
on an app. We generally use all inclusi
Usually USB and PCMCIA devices has an emmbeded antenna that it was
certified with the radio as a whole system., independant of the host
You need to make sure the antenna you are using with the radio is FCC
certified
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On Sep 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM, "Brian Webst
Title: Thank You,
I think the point about certification was
specifically asked regarding the 5.4 version and having been approved
for DFS.
Thank
You,
Brian Webster
Jerry Richardson wrote:
That's been the ongoing argument.
I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's
Try upgrading the subscriber with problems to V3.28 and using the
wireless test package. Many of the odd issues we've had with MT and
wireless are version related.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Tom Sharples wrote:
> Maybe just bad hardware at Subscriber B? Last week we had an XR-9 ptp link
> i
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