Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question
I agree that Trango needs a change log. I thought they had one, but can't seem to find it right now. We recently upgraded an Apex18 and an Apex11 with v122 firmware. The reason the Apex18 was upgraded was because it would just stop passing data even though the rssi, BER, MSE and link lock status all showed good. So far we haven't seen the issue again, but this problem only surfaced every month or two. Jury is still out if the firmware resolved the issue. The reason the Apex11 was upgraded was because one side would flap MSE readings from -35 to -17 causing ACM to shift modulation from 256QAM to QPSK and even lose link lock status at times. The duration of the issue the couple times we've seen it was relatively short...several minutes...before clearing up all on its own. Trango support seems to think there could be some sort of noise being injected into the radio from the Ethernet port, but wanted us to upgrade firmware first before continuing troubleshooting. Since the upgrade we haven't seen the issue, but again the jury is still out as not enough time has passed since the upgrade. Other than that the rest of our Trango licensed links have been pretty flawless. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven McGehee Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question Hi all, Wasn't sure if any of you used Trango APEX 11/18Ghz products. We have a link in production that is using an older firmware that I plan to upgrade to the latest, v1p2r2. I'm unable to find any documentation regarding what this firmware actually fixes or what known issues it has. Does anyone have the details or have this firmware in production? Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question
Hello David, Good to hear about your v122 firmware results. Trango couldn't give me any details if the firmware would definitely fix the issue or not. The problem only surfaced every so often, so it was difficult to troubleshoot. Have you run into any copper Ethernet cable length issues that prevent the Apex radios from functioning correctly? We had an installation that required a 250' - 260' cable run and had an issue that would cause the radio to shut down. Sometimes it would be within 15 minutes other times it might be 2 hours before it shut down. Sometimes the radio wouldn't even complete its boot up process. We replaced everything, power supply, cables, DC injector and radio all with the same results. Only after installing another NEMA enclosure in the building roof penthouse for another UPS and the Apex power supply to shorten the cable length were we able to resolve the problem. The odd thing is we have other Apex radios with similar or even longer cable runs that haven't had any trouble. Just curious if anyone else had seen this issue. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX firmware question On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 08:50, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: The reason the Apex18 was upgraded was because it would just stop passing data even though the rssi, BER, MSE and link lock status all showed good. So far we haven't seen the issue again, but this problem only surfaced every month or two. Jury is still out if the firmware resolved the issue. I had basically that same problem, except the radios would stop passing traffic every two or three days. Applied that firmware late last summer (August, maybe? September? I've slept since then). Not a single glitch since, so I'm willing to say the firmware resolved it. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] bandwidth testing at 1-2 Gb/s
We have multiple GigE feeds coming into our network in geographically diverse locations, so we are able to run GigE bandwidth tests through the Internet between different routers/upstream carriers. Finding an Internet Speed Test site that is capable of much more than a couple hundred MB is difficult to say the least. I know many of those bandwidth test hosts you find on www.speedtest.net, etc, etc only have 50-100MB pipes to begin with. Couple few years ago we ran a bandwidth test from one of our routers to John Vanoppen (sp?) way up North of us. We maxed out at around 150-155MB...obviously hammering an OC3 somewhere between us. We figured we were puckering some poor tech's sphincter as the latency at that hop shot up several hundred ms, so we limited our testing to a relatively short period of time. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] bandwidth testing at 1-2 Gb/s I would say there is no real easy way to test it. Atleast not outside of your network and a hop or two upstream. Maybe find someone near you that has that kind of bandwidth also. I know TW Telecom has iperf servers you can test your connection on. But only if your their customer. Maybe your provider has something similar. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] bandwidth testing at 1-2 Gb/s I'm adding 2 diverse 1 Gigabit / sec pipes to my network through a 7606 Cisco router. The first question is other than testing one pipe against the other, how do you test a 1 gig pipe for throughput? If I just test against myself, I won't be able to determine where the problem is. I've had a hard time even finding a decent external test site to test customers 50M connections. Anyone in the North / East Texas area needing bandwidth, I'm upgrading all my tower backhauls to either 440M or full 1G for the first few hops. So anywhere within 70 miles of Greenville, Texas we should have lot's of pipe available at a very reasonable price. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman
Hope all is well and he has a quick and full recovery. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mac Dearman Our good friend and fellow WISP operator Mac Dearman is in the hospital after suffering chest pains on Saturday. It was determined that he did have a heart attack and he will be undergoing further tests tomorrow at the hospital in Shreveport. Please send your thoughts and prayers to Mac and his family right now. Mac is a great friend and a true American hero - lets help him get through this. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Question
John, as you know we also heard this rumor some time ago and brought it to your attention. It'll be interesting if it's the same source. You know you're making an impact when the competition stoops to a level like this. Keep up the good work! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Seaman Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Question This is completely UNTRUE! I would like to find out who sent you this email because it is absolutely false and slanderous. If you don't mind I would really appreciate if you could send me a copy of the email off-list. Thank you very much. John Seaman Trango Systems, Inc. j...@trangosys.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Wallace Walcher Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Trango Question I just received an email from a vendor that sells competing products to Trango. The email said: I don't know if you are aware of this but Trango just recently let their complete engineering staff go so you may want to consider another product. Can anyone confirm/refute this? I have been seriously looking at their licensed links. Thanks. Wallace L. Walcher Airosurf Communications, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Last I checked the DragonWave fell short of BridgeWave in raw throughput/payload capacity. The AR80X-AES we have deployed will produce line speed 1000Mbps with AES256 encryption. I don't think DragonWave can pull that off. If so, please share the details as we're close to deploying another BridgeWave link. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Tom, The last quotes I have done have put Bridgewave much cheaper than Dragonwave for 1.2Gpbs... although Dragonwave by far has a range benefit to it. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:51 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Bob, I think you are right. (To give Ceragon credit where credit is due). Although, I'm positive Dragonwave was the first to do it with 366mbps per radio ODU with Ethernet. Ceragon was stuck at 200-250mbps per ODU for a while there. Its important to note that breaking the 350mbps barrier, and radio combining (for double) was a core accomplishment, that put the value proposition of 6-23Ghz above that of inexistence 80Ghz technology with multiple hops, to deliver near equivellent capacity, at lower cost. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? I believe (but not sure) Ceragon was the first with a DPRM mount. But agree with everything else :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:32:12 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Good advice Bob, but I'll add There is a purpose for each model, and for that matter also a specific manufacturer, and all ODU is not always the best choice. For example... Trango boasts several core benefits, for some circumstances. Its Giga Split archetiecture allows Coax installs to extend up to 1000ft. (Dragonwave's Coax split Archetecture, still has limits to 150-200 feet or so, according to their docs.). Trango's Apex allows optional Fiber termination with a very easilly accessible connectors. (Dragonwave on the other hand has the Fiber connectors poorly located, that require taking the case apart in order to reach them.) Because of this, for long cable deployments, I prefer Trango. Or if on short deadline, and Freq Coords not complete, Trango equipment can be ordered in advance of completion because they can support more channels per ODU model. (For example, 18 and 23 Ghz only have one ODU Pair choice). Its also important to note, it should not be midunderstood the purpose of Trango Gigas's 4 ports. They are Private VLAN. This is really great for when a link needs to be shared. For example, Port 1 for the customer that paid to get the link installed. Port2 for the ISP's other traffic to serve other clients in the building. This is enabled with zero complexity, that way. The far end switch/router equipment do not need configuration or being the same to accommodate segregation. This is not useful for all installs, but in some cases, this is a unique benefit. Dragonwave offers different benefits... For example... The Airpair supports a whole wealth of different ODU Radios that can be interchanged with the Indoor rack unit. If one doesn't buy advanced replacement warrantees, its much cheaper to just order in an ODU seperately, than a Full outdoor radio. I'd rather float $3000 to get a replacements ODU in, than $12,000 for a full Horizon. We'd use All ODU models where we have live backup links in place, and can afford to wait for a Manufacturer replacement. With that said, we love All ODU units, it makes for a much quicker/simpler install, with Zero Footprint needed inside. This is great for MTU buildings, where they need to be installed in small closets, or penthouse walls. The Dragonwaves were the first to be able to combine radios for double the capacity, so more expandabilty. Airpair offers 25% more capacity than the Trango giga, where split archetecture is needed. Dragonwave offers a dealer channel for those that will benefit from it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Tom, Wow?!? Four links as in eight radios or two links and four radios? Either way that'll require some real estate! You're making assumptions that 1Gbps isn't needed at the time of installation and ROI is pushed out. Neither could be the case. (e.g. It wasn't in our selection of BridgeWave) My guess is BridgeWave has a niche that they are enjoying. Sure, we'd like to be able to pay less for BridgeWave gear, but on the other hand it sets a barrier to entry that immediately separates the wheat from the chaff. So to speak... Actually we've found oversubscription is more of a problem in the 400Mbps+ realm as the choices in equipment that can actually deliver payloads at that level begin to thin out. Canopy-Believe, Granted BridgeWave is NOT a good solution by itself for a long link requiring 99.999% uptime at full modulation. That is why BridgeWave has made provisions to seamlessly migrate traffic over to an alternate radio set without any additional hardware required. So, for the client that needs true GigE capacity between sites 40%, 50%, even 99.7% (2hrs 14min downtime) BridgeWave is a good fit. For the remaining 2hrs, 14min they can poke along at 100Mbps, 200Mbps or even 300Mbps over an alternate path. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? A customer came to us looking for gigabit speeds between buildings and had the money to pay for it. So, we quoted an 80GHz link w/2ft antennas with over 2 hours of down time and a licensed Dragonwave link that would do 300Mbps w/5 minutes of downtime at half the price. Once they saw both in the proposal, the response was, We really don't need a full gigabit. 300Mbps should be fine. We have both 60 and 80GHz Bridgewave links and Trango Giga and Apex links. Bridgewave's are definitely the way to go for short hops where they are cheaper than doing a licensed link. However, if Trango or Dragonwave offered a 24GHz link that could do 100Mbps or more for $8k, we'd be all over it and almost never think of Bridgewave. Obviously Bridgewave's SLE100 can do it at that price, but even in our urban environment, customers tend to be outside of the 1/2 mile range. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Brad, Well, it can't with 2 radios. But it can with Dragonwave DUO combining 4 links for a total of 1400mbps. And Trango Apex at 700mbps is getting pretty close. But that is not my point. I personally do not think that peak capacity is the big factor in a buying decission for WISPs.. Once you are in the 400mb + range, over subscription is your friend. What matters is getting distance, and increasing reliabilty, and affording to buy and install as many links as possible. WISPs don't need 1GB, but they could benefit from 80Ghz. Bridgewave needs more affordable 80Ghz models, that compete with the speeds that Apexes and Horizons can deliver. This is exactly why Bridgewave has been left behind this year in sales. WISPs are telling BRidgewave to take a hike, and embracing companies like Trango and Dragonwave, that have technology less trouble to deploy. Sure if you need 1GB, and its to the building down the street, OK then, Bridgewave can win that one. But 99% of the links that need to be bought and deployed, don't need to be 1GB. I'd rather pay 1/3 the price, and get my ROI in one year. Bridgewave also has a hidden cost. The cost to pay for speed before you need it, before customers are reimbursing you for it, and the finance costs on that. Its ironic to pay finance costs on bandwdith before it is even being used. If I have a ROI of one year, I have a much lower finance cost per link. Sure if you have a RUS loan at 3-5% that probably isn't a bad problem. But at typical lease fees (20%), that adds up to easily doubling the cost of procurement over 3-5 years. I've always felt Bridgewave to be overpriced, and because of they attempt to get top dollar for the rare circumstances where it is worth that, they loose huge amounts of market share, to companies like Trango and Dragonwave, that fit a much wider set of diverse needs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Last I checked the DragonWave fell short of BridgeWave in raw throughput/payload capacity. The AR80X-AES we have deployed will produce line speed 1000Mbps with AES256 encryption. I don't think DragonWave can pull that off. If so, please share the details as we're close to deploying another BridgeWave link. Best, Brad
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
per link. Sure if you have a RUS loan at 3-5% that probably isn't a bad problem. But at typical lease fees (20%), that adds up to easily doubling the cost of procurement over 3-5 years. I've always felt Bridgewave to be overpriced, and because of they attempt to get top dollar for the rare circumstances where it is worth that, they loose huge amounts of market share, to companies like Trango and Dragonwave, that fit a much wider set of diverse needs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Last I checked the DragonWave fell short of BridgeWave in raw throughput/payload capacity. The AR80X-AES we have deployed will produce line speed 1000Mbps with AES256 encryption. I don't think DragonWave can pull that off. If so, please share the details as we're close to deploying another BridgeWave link. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Tom, The last quotes I have done have put Bridgewave much cheaper than Dragonwave for 1.2Gpbs... although Dragonwave by far has a range benefit to it. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:51 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Bob, I think you are right. (To give Ceragon credit where credit is due). Although, I'm positive Dragonwave was the first to do it with 366mbps per radio ODU with Ethernet. Ceragon was stuck at 200-250mbps per ODU for a while there. Its important to note that breaking the 350mbps barrier, and radio combining (for double) was a core accomplishment, that put the value proposition of 6-23Ghz above that of inexistence 80Ghz technology with multiple hops, to deliver near equivellent capacity, at lower cost. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? I believe (but not sure) Ceragon was the first with a DPRM mount. But agree with everything else :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:32:12 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Good advice Bob, but I'll add There is a purpose for each model, and for that matter also a specific manufacturer, and all ODU is not always the best choice. For example... Trango boasts several core benefits, for some circumstances. Its Giga Split archetiecture allows Coax installs to extend up to 1000ft. (Dragonwave's Coax split Archetecture, still has limits to 150-200 feet or so, according to their docs.). Trango's Apex allows optional Fiber termination with a very easilly accessible connectors. (Dragonwave on the other hand has the Fiber connectors poorly located, that require taking the case apart in order to reach them.) Because of this, for long cable deployments, I prefer Trango. Or if on short deadline, and Freq Coords not complete, Trango equipment can be ordered in advance of completion because they can support more channels per ODU model. (For example, 18 and 23 Ghz only have one ODU Pair choice). Its also important to note, it should not be midunderstood the purpose of Trango Gigas's 4 ports. They are Private VLAN. This is really great for when a link needs to be shared. For example, Port 1 for the customer that paid to get the link installed. Port2 for the ISP's other traffic to serve other clients in the building. This is enabled with zero complexity, that way. The far end switch/router equipment do not need configuration or being the same to accommodate segregation. This is not useful for all installs, but in some cases, this is a unique benefit. Dragonwave offers different benefits... For example... The Airpair supports a whole wealth of different ODU Radios that can be interchanged with the Indoor rack unit. If one doesn't buy advanced replacement warrantees, its much cheaper to just order in an ODU seperately, than a Full outdoor radio. I'd rather float $3000 to get a replacements ODU in, than $12,000
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
Hello Charles, Come on Charles you should know the answer to your question: Location, Location, Location. Some of our clients have forgotten about more fiber laid than a mid-size Telco, but fiber is not always feasible. Railroads, runways, rivers and a number of other factors can eliminate fiber as an option. That's where we come in. Second scenario (which is in part why the first BridgeWave link was installed) is redundancy. The fact is fiber gets cut. If your operation requires a completely diverse, secure, redundant path at GigE speeds then BridgeWave is a good fit. BTW, I'm not avoiding your calls...just been slammed with business! We're hoping to be caught up in a few months, but then again maybe we should hope to never be caught up... grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu (CTI) Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Hi Brad, Half mile? Ours is almost 2.5miles in an RF unfriendly rain zone. The link has been up for more than a year and the client has been thrilled. So thrilled in fact that we've got another planned for them with a roadmap of more to follow. Being the devil's advocate I recently priced out Gigaman in my market (1 Gb Ring Protected Fiber) and got a quote for $2k / month plus $5k build-out Why would someone want to spend $20-30k on a ptp (and still have to pay $500-1k / month for roof rights) for a wireless 1 GB link and have to worry about lightening/rain fade/equipment failures/etc...When the pay-off is 3+ years (not including labor / maintenance / etc) Or better yet, just string your own fiber...properly done, pole attachment isn't all too expensive and I'd take fiber of wireless any day -Charles This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still gets 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm pulling. It used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel it's probably due for a tune up of some kind. It does have a custom chip exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY Diesel Dodge I've run across. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Fords have terrible mileage. Our 2008 (I think) F-550 gets about 9 (doesn't pull anything). Completely irresponsible when a stock 2006 Dodge (with OEM software upgrades) with a 2 ton camper in the bed pulls 21.5 in hilly terrain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I just bought a 2008 Ford super duty van. 11mpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
Correct, only going off of your statement of 16sec (chuckle) and putting away a couple Civics. That truly must be one fast Goat! grin Just ribb'n ya Mark. Now back to our regular programming... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle It's ok. You don't know my truck. I do. I've put fast ricers away on the street. And they never try again. That perfectly aimed exhaust teaches :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this particular Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec. In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low 16sec Excursions in STOCK trim. 16sec must only feel fast in a Dodge Goatgrin Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Grin... My '93 wasn't quite stock, but I used to have a timeslip from a dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it. Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15... And his excursion would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :) I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck and trailer were 23K combined. Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still netted me 10.5 - 11 mpg . insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins... not so much pep compared to the new ones). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still gets 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm pulling. It used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel it's probably due for a tune up of some kind. It does have a custom chip exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY Diesel Dodge I've run across. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle Fords have terrible mileage. Our 2008 (I think) F-550 gets about 9 (doesn't pull anything). Completely irresponsible when a stock 2006 Dodge (with OEM software upgrades) with a 2 ton camper in the bed pulls 21.5 in hilly terrain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I just bought a 2008 Ford super duty van. 11mpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
38GHz is typically leased from a third party. 18GHz is leased directly from the FCC. Typically 38GHz is more expensive over the course of ten years as opposed to 18GHz, 23GHz, 11GHz 6GHz, etc from the FCC. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BSwas Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Out of curiosity. What is the cost to the FCC for a 10 year 38 ghz or an 18ghz license? Thanks, John Buwa WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Terabridge 5845
Hey Joel, Just sent you a manual off list. Enjoy. These are good radios and perform as advertised. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joel White Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:11 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Terabridge 5845 Does anyone have a manual or configuration information for one of these links? I have one that we need to setup, but have 0 documentation on it. Thanks, Joel NexGenAccess Inc. www.nexgenaccess.com 740-513-4122 NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Hello Daniel, Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave performance is much better? Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a Dragonwave stacks up against competing products. Namely Trango in this case. Exactly how close is close when you mention pricing between the two products? Close is a relative term don't you agree? So, are we talking $5, $50, $500, $5000? Look forward to your responses. Thank you, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Well... I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be surprised how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance is much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread). We also will take care of all of the licensing work for you. Hit me offlist if you like. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance. So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears! Thanks, _ /-\ ndrew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Hello Daniel, Well, that is disappointing as I was hoping for more substance from you to back up your statements regarding close in price and performance much better. Instead you've chosen to throw a stone at a competing product and run the other way. I guess we'll have to chalk up your comments as all show and no go... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link I'm going to go with Jeff on this one... there has been multiple threads on this topic... I think it has been beat to death. If you want to talk about it offlist I'd be happy to. As far as the price difference... I'd be happy to quote the Dragonwave and let you compare it to the published Trango deals... but my personal opinion is that you are not paying a premium for the Dragonwave name... compared to what I would consider the benefits. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link All, When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium for a Dragonwave product. There are plenty of threads on this topic. I would be happy to grab a bunch for you so hit me off off-list. It really depends on your application for which product you would like to go with. I would be more than happy to walk you through everything. I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum. -Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Hello Daniel, Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave performance is much better? Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a Dragonwave stacks up against competing products. Namely Trango in this case. Exactly how close is close when you mention pricing between the two products? Close is a relative term don't you agree? So, are we talking $5, $50, $500, $5000? Look forward to your responses. Thank you, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Well... I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be surprised how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance is much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread). We also will take care of all of the licensing work for you. Hit me offlist if you like. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance. So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears! Thanks, _ /-\ ndrew --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
Oh I believe it. Nothing Travis is able to pull off surprises me anymore. grin Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle I believe the 8mpg but 80mph? -RickG On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;) Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick. Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover... ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed. ...I get 10 on a good day. :) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle fyi, it's not a van... http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Uti lity.jpeg I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL). Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though. Leather, DVD for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc. It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the standard version. So when you get one make sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat. http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy _osacat=0 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer. The XUV version looks pretty interesting too. I ALMOST got one of them, didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal. http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm They have some of those on ebay too: http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%25 3A12%257C39%253A1_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories_trksid=p3286.c0. m14_pgn=2 laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm. Steel and cold just do not mix. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL. It's the one with the 3rd seat. I'm only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is totally loaded. It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws. I did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show up at first. The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach. Everything else sits well inside. As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the winter and cold in the summer. The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too. Best of all? No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one. EVERYONE knows my rig. That alone is a nice sales too. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle What does everyone use for a service vehicle? We have an 1999 f250 that is at the end of it's road. It has the cabinets and ladder racks to put al our stuff in. Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge. If you haven't seen these check them out. If we could afford these I wouldn't be asking :( -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer
Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
Hmmm...sure sounds like you have an inordinate amount of service work on your linksgrin I'm working on a response to your other post with a line item side by side comparison between Dragonwave and Trango, but it will probably be tomorrow before it's posted. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link I have to run out into the field to work on a Bridgewave link (people pay good money for that :-). I'll answer this tonight. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Hi, I have a better idea someone compile a simple side-by-side comparison of the Dragonwave vs. Trango 18ghz radios. List all the benefits of each radio, and then also list the current price for a comparable speed for each. I'm not familiar with the current Dragonwave product, so I will only list the benefits of the Trango APEX system (of which I currently have 3 running as our main backbone backhauls): (1) Radio mounted signal display for alignment (2) Optional fiber port (only have to buy the fiber module to plug in) (3) Various channel sizes (10, 20, 28, 40, 50, 80 mhz wide) (4) up to +20db power output (5) Jumbo packets via GigE (6) PoE (-48v) (7) In-band or out-of-band management (8) Separate GigE port for management (9) Rapid Port Shutdown (10) 1+1 redundancy (using a single antenna) (11) Dual power supplies (either PoE port can supply the power) (12) 2 year warranty standard (can be upgraded to 3 year, overnight replacement for $2,000 per link) (13) Price (currently $9,995 with 2ft dishes and frequency coordination. FCC fees are about $1,300 extra). Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: I'm going to go with Jeff on this one... there has been multiple threads on this topic... I think it has been beat to death. If you want to talk about it offlist I'd be happy to. As far as the price difference... I'd be happy to quote the Dragonwave and let you compare it to the published Trango deals... but my personal opinion is that you are not paying a premium for the Dragonwave name... compared to what I would consider the benefits. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link All, When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium for a Dragonwave product. There are plenty of threads on this topic. I would be happy to grab a bunch for you so hit me off off-list. It really depends on your application for which product you would like to go with. I would be more than happy to walk you through everything. I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum. -Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Hello Daniel, Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave performance is much better? Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a Dragonwave stacks up against competing products. Namely Trango in this case. Exactly how close is close when you mention pricing between the two products? Close is a relative term don't you agree? So, are we talking $5, $50, $500, $5000? Look forward to your responses. Thank you, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link Well... I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be surprised how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance is much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread). We also will take care of all of the licensing work for you. Hit me offlist if you like. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance. So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears
Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?
Need more information. What kind of fiber? SM MM? What kind of GigE interface? Copper or fiber. If fiber is it SM or MM? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:19 PM To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ? Any recomendattions on a reliable unit? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?
Actually I was just about to step away from the WISPA Help Desk for a bit. Bob, feel free to take this call... grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ? Disregard my last transmission. Brad has this covered -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:26:44 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ? Need more information. What kind of fiber? SM MM? What kind of GigE interface? Copper or fiber. If fiber is it SM or MM? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:19 PM To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ? Any recomendattions on a reliable unit? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?
Oh, well that's easy. Any number of products are available that will do what you need. Just search fiber media converter. We've had several TrendNet fiber media converters in service for years. Some have been on rooftops in NEMA enclosures and have endured years of heat and cold cycles without issue. Considering the price of TrendNet products they have far exceeded my expectations. http://www.trendnet.com/products/products.asp?cat=22 Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List; lakel...@gbcx.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ? Multimode to GigE Copper Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:11 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ? Actually I was just about to step away from the WISPA Help Desk for a bit. Bob, feel free to take this call... grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ? Disregard my last transmission. Brad has this covered -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:26:44 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ? Need more information. What kind of fiber? SM MM? What kind of GigE interface? Copper or fiber. If fiber is it SM or MM? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:19 PM To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ? Any recomendattions on a reliable unit? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
Really? sigh http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=48438 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now what's that? - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
So far we haven't seen any adverse effects, but we're not running BGP with Cisco routers. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now That AS was sending corrupted AS PATHs, which among other things has been causing significant amounts of route flaps due to Cisco bug CSCdr54230. Ciscos effected are losing their BGP session when they encounter the AS PATH. Upstreams like us have busy routers because of all the flaps. The community is filtering the AS right now pending resolution. -Matt On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you think? Please expand on the reason for the email. Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: 02/05/09 11:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Custom Rackmount Enclosures?
I looked into this for a custom 2U enclosure. Came in around $600-$800 per cabinet. Let me know if you find someone that can build custom enclosures for less. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Custom Rackmount Enclosures? Anyone know of a metal fab to make some custom 1u enclosures for Mikrotik Routerboards? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Custom Rackmount Enclosures?
Found the quote and it was actually for a 3U enclosure we were considering to have built for a specific application. Fortunately we found something suitable without going this route and the client was thrilled with our ingenuity. The people at Protocase were responsive and helpful. In a pinch they really can help, but hold on to your arse regarding their pricing. They earn a handsome premium for their service. I am not aware of any other company that is able to turn around a custom enclosure as quickly as Protocase. If anyone knows of a less expensive source, please, do share. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Custom Rackmount Enclosures? Look at Middle Atlantic. Been using them for years. This is 2U but it's very slick: http://middleatlantic.com/rackac/ucp/frame.htm#ucp-ch Then you can plates and fans if needed: http://middleatlantic.com/rackac/ucp/custom.htm __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Custom Rackmount Enclosures? Anyone know of a metal fab to make some custom 1u enclosures for Mikrotik Routerboards? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ BelWave_Communications_Brad_Belton_Protocase_1611_10-15-08.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dallas/Irving
Ha...just a few of us. You can cut the RF in the air with a knife. sigh Where did you spot a Trango? Could have been one of ours. We have essentially 100% coverage within the loop around DFW and substantial coverage extending beyond the loop into 11 or more counties. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Kilton Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:35 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dallas/Irving I was down visiting some relatives in Irving, TX and noticed a few Trango units kicking around, anyone covering that area, just curios to who it is. Cameron Midcoast Internet WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed
I've seen Terabridge 5845's listed for $3000.00. That radio is a true no bullshit 45Mbps FDX radio. We've had several in use over the years and they are pretty awesome...1ms latency, etc, etc. They used to be $10k - $15k radios during their prime. IMO, they are still superior to most any other UL PtP radio. We've been pulling them down and replacing them with licensed links primarily due to capacity needs. 45Mbps doesn't do us much good these days when our clients are looking for 100Mbps+...but it's a good problem to have! http://cgi.ebay.com/PROXIM-TERABRIDGE-5845-LINK-KIT-w-CABLES-POWER-NEW_W0QQi temZ140304191357 Whenever I get some time I'll start posting our used Terabridges for sale at attractive prices. They will make great spares to the new units bizsyscon is selling. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed ok after talking with the client they have informed me that they only NEED 40 to 50 meg full duplex. and they are very price conscious as well. I was informed late today that I get the bid for this project if I can do it for under 5 grand. So with labor and a small bit of profit, I'm not sure I can make it happen do the unlicensed products like microtik or staros meet these specs. I see that microtik has a unit they say can do 60 to 80 meg. but whats the real bandwidth like and does anyone have experiance with them? Ryan On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you go unlicensed if you can go licensed for slightly more? -RickG On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: An unlicensed Dragonwave 24GHz link will get you there slightly cheaper... PtP600 is the only unlicensed radio that I know of that could do it... but that's going to be more expensive than the Dragonwave hop. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short 100Meg full duplex hop needed The most cost effective solution is going to be licensed. At $11,000 for a complete link, that's probably the cheapest thing you are going to find for this kind of bandwidth. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: I'm in need run a link 100 meg full duplex at 1 mile. Unlicensed gear is preferred as this is a low budget hop. Any recommendations for this? Anything like microtik that has this capacity? Thanks Ryan -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
RG8 is an inferior cable to LMR400. RG8 has much less shielding and more loss than LMR400. I would never recommend RG8 in place of LMR400. I've always preferred making my own LMR terminations. We use the Times Clamp/Solder type for LMR400 and Clamp/Spring type for LMR600 and larger. We were in a jam a few months ago and had to order in a few pre-made LMR400 jumpers from Titan Wireless. They arrived in one day (same state shipping) and I was very pleased to see Titan also used the Times Clamp/Solder connector. IMO, the Times Clamp/Solder connector is by far the best LMR400 termination and Titan Wireless keeps stocks them. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I get mine from here - my favorite is their ultraflex RG8 type cable because it doesn't put as much pressure on the connectors and is easy to work with like smaller diameter cables from the past. Cost a couple dollars more but is worth it. www.rfdistributor.com They also carry lots of commercial equipment (antennas/standoffs/tower sections/high performance dishes and omnis etc) that most people don't have... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers for n male to n male, we build our own. Mark Nash wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers
Sorryjust noticed the original post was in regards to LMR195 and not LMR400. RG8 may very well be a better cable than LMR195...never used it. My guess is the LMR195 would still offer better shielding than RG8, but possibly more loss. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:39 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers RG8 is an inferior cable to LMR400. RG8 has much less shielding and more loss than LMR400. I would never recommend RG8 in place of LMR400. I've always preferred making my own LMR terminations. We use the Times Clamp/Solder type for LMR400 and Clamp/Spring type for LMR600 and larger. We were in a jam a few months ago and had to order in a few pre-made LMR400 jumpers from Titan Wireless. They arrived in one day (same state shipping) and I was very pleased to see Titan also used the Times Clamp/Solder connector. IMO, the Times Clamp/Solder connector is by far the best LMR400 termination and Titan Wireless keeps stocks them. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I get mine from here - my favorite is their ultraflex RG8 type cable because it doesn't put as much pressure on the connectors and is easy to work with like smaller diameter cables from the past. Cost a couple dollars more but is worth it. www.rfdistributor.com They also carry lots of commercial equipment (antennas/standoffs/tower sections/high performance dishes and omnis etc) that most people don't have... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers for n male to n male, we build our own. Mark Nash wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
I think you're making this more difficult than necessary. 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable. 50 / 8 = 6.25 or more simply 48 / 8 = 6 Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable. So, if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6 giving you 6 cables. Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety of structures and elevations. If your site is grounded properly I don't believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a single core cable. I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course. Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
Uh, ok you can do this if you want to run more than six radios off of one 25pr cable...than sure. But why if you have the equivalent of six cables run? We just run another 25pr and double our radio capacity from 6 to 12. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Run a separate 12 or 14 awg for your DC power. The 24awg isn't enough size to power multiple radios. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:07:55 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
I guess the short answer, IMO and experience, is no. It's not as if we've just started doing this, but actually have years of experience with this type of very simple installation. Do you now understand that all six radios are NOT powered off of a single pair? Each radio has all eight conductors available to it no different than running six cables for six radios. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Here is the original concern regarding the lightning strike jumping to other radios. = snip Would this not increase the chances of a strike to a single AP jumping at the block to the other pairs? Dylan = snip On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: I think you're making this more difficult than necessary. 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable. 50 / 8 = 6.25 or more simply 48 / 8 = 6 Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable. So, if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6 giving you 6 cables. Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety of structures and elevations. If your site is grounded properly I don't believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a single core cable. I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course. Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower
Wow...no offense, but I give up. You guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower There are 25 pairs of wires in a 25 pair cable. You only need 2 pair per run for standard ethernet (1,2,3 5 in a standard RJ45) So that gives you 12 connections between top and bottom. For power, use a separate power run to the cabinet (speaker wire!... just kidding!) There you have it. ryan Brad Belton wrote: I think you're making this more difficult than necessary. 25pr = 50 wires = 25 pair There are 8 wires in a standard CAT5 cable. 50 / 8 = 6.25 or more simply 48 / 8 = 6 Or as David illustrated there are four pairs in a standard CAT5 cable. So, if you take 24 pairs from the 25 pair cable and divide by 4 you get 6 giving you 6 cables. Regarding lightning; we haven't seen any increase in lightning risk with this type of installation and have several installed this way on a variety of structures and elevations. If your site is grounded properly I don't believe one cable is more susceptible to lightning strikes than six. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower As Dylan mentioned, increased lightning damage could also be an issue with a single core cable. I run all my cables in a single bunch down the tower. They are individually shielded. And all the shielding is connected to the same ground of course. Regardless, they would also get power from the same source. I could put individual arrestors at the top of the tower. At the bottom I would have one for the AC and one for each Ethernet quad. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com wrote: OK. So would one use the 25th pair to power all the radios over a 150' run? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, David ad...@speedyquick.net wrote: 24/4 =6 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower 24 / 8 = 3... I guess you run the power up separately? and break it out for the POE? On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: A 25pr armored outdoor CAT5 cable is equivalent to running 6 standard CAT5 runs. Run the 25pr to a NEMA4 Hammond enclosure or equivalent and breakout the cable into a patch panel or punch down block. From there then run individual outdoor armored CAT5 to your equipment. Attached is a picture of an example from 2004 or 2005 of what I'm talking about. Since this installation we've gone to a 12 port RJ45 vertical panel rather than the punch down block. Bottom side of the run is simply punched down into a patch panel. This picture unfortunately shows an incorrect 25pr color code. For the correct color code look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Easy Ethernet up the tower Hi guys, I am thinking of installing Ethernet junction boxes on my towers (top and bottom). The idea is to install a larger number of runs up the tower and run shorter runs from the box to the radios. The same at the bottom from the patch panel to the equipment/arrestors etc. Is anyone doing this? What kink of (water proof) boxes do you use and do you use a multiple CAT5 cables or do you run 48 or 96 pair? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] RIC-155 cost?
Last I checked I think they were about $3500 a pair for the GigE version and $2500 for the 100MB version. Ahhh, found an old quote for the standard 100MB version from my RAD Representative back on 9-2-04: (2) RIC-155/AC/SC13MM1207.50ea $2415.00total I have one GigE version on the shelf I picked up the other day...still have my eye out for another to make a pair. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:17 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] RIC-155 cost? ANyone have any idea was the street price of the RAD OC3 - ethernet converters? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] schools
Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] schools
That's kind of the point. Travis's post illuminated that many of us are seeing jobs being lost across the board including in the government sector. That prompted my question; wouldn't we all be better off if the stimulus was just a plain and simple check cut to each household. The numbers have gotten so large that it's hard to keep up with everything that is being spent. The $70k - $80k per household was mentioned on more than news source, but even then I had a hard time believing it. Bottom line is I'm not sure anyone would choose our current path if they knew they could have had a $10k check in their pocket much less $70 - $80k! Puts things a little more in perspective. Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Find all the details in this article. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstorysid=aGq2B3XeGKok sid=aGq2B3XeGKok U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs (Update1) By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The stimulus package the U.S. Congress is completing would raise the government's commitment to solving the financial crisis to $9.7 trillion, enough to pay off more than 90 percent of the nation's home mortgages. Brian Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] schools
Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] schools
Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last paragraph... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 100 million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish for. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for me...well then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. grin That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to my home address made out to Yours Truly instead! Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see fit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 Trillion by the time they are all done. Seriously. For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have yet to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is worth while. I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there own fault. But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. And I come across a lot of people. I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, myself. George Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar loan, and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] OT Number Porting Question
Pretty rare to have a number that can't be ported. Keep pressing the issue with your new provider and the losing carrier. Eventually you'll get it ported. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT Number Porting Question We had a landline number with Verizon ported to a cellphone with Verizon Wireless. Now we are trying to port the number to Cablevision that provides triple play. We are being told that they can't port a cell number because it belongs to the cell company. I told them the whole story how it came from a landline and they are still saying it can't be done Anyone shed light on this? Tnx Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
Agreed I love threads like these touting deals too good to be true. Many times they are. Three things matter when pricing bandwidth: (1) Location (2) Location (3) Location I'd gladly pay $5300 for 30MB in many, many parts of the country! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:22 AM To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Depends on the loop. My CO is a tandem and there are at least 6 different carriers there (Qwest, ATT, MCI, Sprint, Lightcore, and Norlight first come to mind), but I'm still $5k - $7k for a DS3 with a 0 mile loop. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:55 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN They're close to 1/2 that now. Rk On 3/17/2009 8:22 PM, Chadd Thompson wrote: Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial DS3. 10mb: $4300 20mb: $4788 30mb: $5300 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
Going to need lots more info to be able to help. Cable run length and type of cable used. What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis What is your targetrssi set to What are your cableloss settings What is your power set to Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results What version software are you running on both sides Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and send me the results off list. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both ends anyway to tell where the problem is? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
I know the feeling. We had one of our early Giga links working for months not realizing we had made mistakes until later. Got your configs...but also send me the link 10 results along with the type and length of cable on each end. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem I'll do that, Link was working for months Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Going to need lots more info to be able to help. Cable run length and type of cable used. What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis What is your targetrssi set to What are your cableloss settings What is your power set to Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results What version software are you running on both sides Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and send me the results off list. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both ends anyway to tell where the problem is? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
Not necessarily true with high frequency or millimeter microwave gear. Due to large fade issues inherent with higher frequencies it is not uncommon to engineer a link with -35 RSSI levels. I believe the Giga is safe down to -25 RSSI or thereabouts. However the higher the modulation rate the less hot you can run it. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem First off, I believe your signal is too hot. turn the tx power down til you reach between a -50 and -60 dB. That is usually the sweet spot on most RF equipment. Right now you are screaming at each other. - Original Message From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 1:38:09 PM Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both ends anyway to tell where the problem is? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
Replied off list... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Whats the relation of target rssi and real rssi? If I change target rssi on end 1, rssi changes on the linktest on end 1 without touching power on end 2 ...wtf? Atpc is off on both ends Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:58 PM To: Gino Villarini Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem If you are running 100' of LMR400 on each end then your cableloss settings are probably close enough, but I'd adjust them slightly to this: cableloss 1.5 2.3 3.9 Check now and see if your End 1 link 10 results have improved. If not then adjust your End 1 targetrssi from -35 to -31 and run your link 10 command again. We've never enabled ATPC, so I'm not sure if that is helping you are possibly hurting you. Let's disable it on both ends and see if we can manually get the link to settle in with better than -32db MSE and 0.00E+00 BER readings. We'll do this by adjusting your power levels, targetrssi and cableloss settings. What does your path analysis show your expected RSSI should be and at what power level? I assume this link has production traffic running across it and can't be taken offline? Brad Belton BelWave Communications O: 817-737-3124 #101 F: 817-336-7031 -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini [mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com] Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: b...@belwave.com Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem We are using lmr400 on both ends, about 100' per end Linktest 10 results End 1 (trango-view)# linktest 10 LOCK RSSI MSEBER 1 1 -31.00 dBm -26.78 dB 7.42E-07 2 1 -31.00 dBm -26.58 dB 0.00E+00 3 1 -31.00 dBm -26.77 dB 0.00E+00 4 1 -31.00 dBm -27.09 dB 0.00E+00 5 1 -31.00 dBm -26.82 dB 0.00E+00 6 1 -31.00 dBm -26.77 dB 7.11E-10 7 1 -31.00 dBm -26.95 dB 0.00E+00 8 1 -31.00 dBm -26.84 dB 0.00E+00 9 1 -31.00 dBm -26.54 dB 0.00E+00 10 1 -31.00 dBm -26.78 dB 7.69E-10 (trango-view)# End 2 Trango Broadband Wireless: TrangoLINK Giga Command Line Interface v2.3.8 (trango-view)# linktest 10 LOCK RSSI MSEBER 1 1 -34.00 dBm -31.61 dB 4.09E-10 2 1 -34.00 dBm -31.60 dB 0.00E+00 3 1 -34.00 dBm -31.63 dB 0.00E+00 4 1 -34.00 dBm -31.56 dB 0.00E+00 5 1 -34.00 dBm -31.90 dB 0.00E+00 6 1 -34.00 dBm -31.57 dB 0.00E+00 7 1 -34.00 dBm -31.57 dB 0.00E+00 8 1 -34.00 dBm -31.68 dB 0.00E+00 9 1 -34.00 dBm -31.56 dB 0.00E+00 10 1 -34.00 dBm -31.46 dB 0.00E+00 (trango-view)# Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:31 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem I know the feeling. We had one of our early Giga links working for months not realizing we had made mistakes until later. Got your configs...but also send me the link 10 results along with the type and length of cable on each end. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem I'll do that, Link was working for months Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Going to need lots more info to be able to help. Cable run length and type of cable used. What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis What is your targetrssi set to What are your cableloss settings What is your power set to Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results What version software are you running on both sides Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and send me the results off list. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
Ahhh, I see you're replying on and off list. No problem for me to reply on list...I was only concerned with sharing your information on a group list. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Replied off list... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Whats the relation of target rssi and real rssi? If I change target rssi on end 1, rssi changes on the linktest on end 1 without touching power on end 2 ...wtf? Atpc is off on both ends Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:58 PM To: Gino Villarini Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem If you are running 100' of LMR400 on each end then your cableloss settings are probably close enough, but I'd adjust them slightly to this: cableloss 1.5 2.3 3.9 Check now and see if your End 1 link 10 results have improved. If not then adjust your End 1 targetrssi from -35 to -31 and run your link 10 command again. We've never enabled ATPC, so I'm not sure if that is helping you are possibly hurting you. Let's disable it on both ends and see if we can manually get the link to settle in with better than -32db MSE and 0.00E+00 BER readings. We'll do this by adjusting your power levels, targetrssi and cableloss settings. What does your path analysis show your expected RSSI should be and at what power level? I assume this link has production traffic running across it and can't be taken offline? Brad Belton BelWave Communications O: 817-737-3124 #101 F: 817-336-7031 -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini [mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com] Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: b...@belwave.com Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem We are using lmr400 on both ends, about 100' per end Linktest 10 results End 1 (trango-view)# linktest 10 LOCK RSSI MSEBER 1 1 -31.00 dBm -26.78 dB 7.42E-07 2 1 -31.00 dBm -26.58 dB 0.00E+00 3 1 -31.00 dBm -26.77 dB 0.00E+00 4 1 -31.00 dBm -27.09 dB 0.00E+00 5 1 -31.00 dBm -26.82 dB 0.00E+00 6 1 -31.00 dBm -26.77 dB 7.11E-10 7 1 -31.00 dBm -26.95 dB 0.00E+00 8 1 -31.00 dBm -26.84 dB 0.00E+00 9 1 -31.00 dBm -26.54 dB 0.00E+00 10 1 -31.00 dBm -26.78 dB 7.69E-10 (trango-view)# End 2 Trango Broadband Wireless: TrangoLINK Giga Command Line Interface v2.3.8 (trango-view)# linktest 10 LOCK RSSI MSEBER 1 1 -34.00 dBm -31.61 dB 4.09E-10 2 1 -34.00 dBm -31.60 dB 0.00E+00 3 1 -34.00 dBm -31.63 dB 0.00E+00 4 1 -34.00 dBm -31.56 dB 0.00E+00 5 1 -34.00 dBm -31.90 dB 0.00E+00 6 1 -34.00 dBm -31.57 dB 0.00E+00 7 1 -34.00 dBm -31.57 dB 0.00E+00 8 1 -34.00 dBm -31.68 dB 0.00E+00 9 1 -34.00 dBm -31.56 dB 0.00E+00 10 1 -34.00 dBm -31.46 dB 0.00E+00 (trango-view)# Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:31 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem I know the feeling. We had one of our early Giga links working for months not realizing we had made mistakes until later. Got your configs...but also send me the link 10 results along with the type and length of cable on each end. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem I'll do that, Link was working for months Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Going to need lots more info to be able to help. Cable run length and type of cable used. What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis What is your targetrssi
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
Have to disagree with Tom's advice here. It is never a good idea to briefly/temporarily change channels within a licensed band without consulting a qualified frequency coordinator. We did consider interference as a possibility once upon a time, but consulted with our frequency coordinator before trying a different channel plan. Only after indentifying a second available freq pair did we change channels briefly/temporarily just to see if interference was the issue. It was not. While interference is possible in the licensed bands it will most likely be caused by someone briefly/temporarily changing channels when they shouldn't. You can also simply turn off the transmitter on the far side and view RSSI readings. If they show higher than what your expected noise floor should be then you might have an interfering source to hunt down. Simply changing channels at will briefly or otherwise within licensed bands should never be attempted. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Also, don't assume its not interference. Licensed gets interference to. If your MSE is showing Interference its very possible that is exactly what you are having. You may need to briefly/temporarilly change channels to verifiy. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Going to need lots more info to be able to help. Cable run length and type of cable used. What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis What is your targetrssi set to What are your cableloss settings What is your power set to Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results What version software are you running on both sides Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and send me the results off list. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both ends anyway to tell where the problem is? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem
It's just how Trango designed the Giga. As I mentioned in an off list email, the modem that calculates the Giga's RSSI is located in the IDU and not the ODU. This is why the IF cable is so critical with the Giga. There were/are reasons why Trango designed the Giga this way (regarding future product enhancements utilizing multiple modems in the IDU for greater throughput capacity), but it would be best that you take it up with Trango if you are interested in that. You need to know what your expected RSSI for the path is supposed to be. That doesn't mean the link will always end up there, but it gives you a starting point. For example we have a link that one end is behind a metal based glass. That link is about 10db off from expected RSSI due to the glass attenuation. Once we accounted for this by adjusting our target rssi we have a much more solid link. The bottom line is, while it may be frustrating for the first time Giga user to get their initial Giga up and running the Giga has proven itself as a solid product. We have several deployed, continue to order them and have been pleased with their performance. Yes, the Apex is an all ODU design and while we haven't deployed an Apex yet, I understand the configuration is a bit more simple. We expect to have a couple Apex's on hand in the next week or two and I'll know a lot more about the Apex once we have them hung. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem That's why I asked, it doesn't completely explain how it works, for example Rssi on end 1 is -39 , mse is -30 targetrssi is -39 Why in the heck if I change the target rssi to -35, the real rssi changes too??? To -35 ...?!?!?! MSE still is -30 I have not changed the power on the other end and atpc is off ...wtf? BTW: The Apex being an all outdoor unit, it's the same? Got the Apex user manual handy? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:03 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem MSE concept explained on Page 18 of the manual or page 20 of this pdf... How is the link looking now after adjusting power, target rssi and cable loss settings? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem How the mse would show interference? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Also, don't assume its not interference. Licensed gets interference to. If your MSE is showing Interference its very possible that is exactly what you are having. You may need to briefly/temporarilly change channels to verifiy. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem Going to need lots more info to be able to help. Cable run length and type of cable used. What is your expected RSSI per your path analysis What is your targetrssi set to What are your cableloss settings What is your power set to Run a link 10 command from both sides and provide results What version software are you running on both sides Maybe the best thing to do is run a sysinfo command on both ends and send me the results off list. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Problem I have a 2 mile 18 ghz link using Trango Giga, Im starting to drop packets, auto rate has dropped speed to qpsk, still MSE and BER is being affected sometimes on one end or both ...ATPC is on, rssi is -35 on both ends anyway to tell where the problem is? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed
Ok, I'll bite. What UL radio set is going to produce 150Mbps FDX and at what RF spectrum cost? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed All, This post is for those looking at putting in high throughput unlicensed radios. I can talk all day about the advantages of licensed (guarantee of 35-40db fade margin for starters) but I want to throw out some real world numbers I am seeing. Don't get me wrong, there is always a place for unlicensed radios (speed to deploy...licensed takes 4-6 weeks to build, and you can move the radios without relicensing) but there are other options on the high capacity side right now. Check out everything below because the pricing for licensed has come down tremendously over the years. Just something to mull over this weekend. THIS IS ALL IN APPLES TO APPLES. ~110mbps Licensed Radio Radio + 2 foot dished + Coordination = $9,995.00 FCC Fees = $650 per side = $1,300.00 2 Power Supplies and 2 POE Adaptors = ~$638.00 TOTAL PRICE ALL IN = ~$11,933.00 ~150mbps Unlicensed Radio 150mbps Connectorized Radio Link = ~$11,000 Dual Pol Antennas + Coax Jumpers = ~$400.00 TOTAL PRICE ALL IN = $11,400.00 -Jeff CTI There is a Difference WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
Gino...Google is your friend...grin Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE Matt Where could one subscribe to such a list? NaNog List Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of mlio...@r337.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:13 AM To: scubac...@gmail.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when someone suggests Cisco. Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. If you need something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly do what it is that you need. But if you need something for some specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry, Nortel, etc. Of course if you had sent the above to the NANOG list they would be laughing at you. Cisco and Juniper alone are the reining champs of the high-end routing world. Foundry and Nortel are simply not even considered. Right now, the Cisco CRS-1 is considered the best equipment available. Regardless, talking about super high-end routers when Mike is only looking for a few 10 GigE ports is silly. A Cisco 6500/7600 with sup720-3bxl along with your 10 GigE card of choice is typically what is deployed today. There is a newer option from Cisco using one of the ASR series routers. Those will cost you roughly $25k to get started in any reasonable configuration. Whereas the sup720-3bxl option will likely cost you only $25k well equiped with a variety of ports. I would guess a sup720-3bxl platform with 48 10/100/1000 ports, 48 SFP ports, and 4 10 GigE ports would run about $30k used. It is worth noting that the sup720-3bxl has enough TCAM to support up to 1 million routes and has a backplane that can support 720Gbps. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed
From what I understand the PTP600 is an OFDM best effort radio. If the RF environment is favorable then it will pass data. If not then it slows down and/or starts dropping packets. I believe the PTP600 is also a HDX radio, is it not? Not trying to be adversarial...just interested in learning more about any UL radio that can produce 150Mbpd FDX as reliable as a licensed radio set. Anyone have a PTP600 manual they can send me? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed Just the PTP600 that I think off ... 30 mhz Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed Ok, I'll bite. What UL radio set is going to produce 150Mbps FDX and at what RF spectrum cost? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed All, This post is for those looking at putting in high throughput unlicensed radios. I can talk all day about the advantages of licensed (guarantee of 35-40db fade margin for starters) but I want to throw out some real world numbers I am seeing. Don't get me wrong, there is always a place for unlicensed radios (speed to deploy...licensed takes 4-6 weeks to build, and you can move the radios without relicensing) but there are other options on the high capacity side right now. Check out everything below because the pricing for licensed has come down tremendously over the years. Just something to mull over this weekend. THIS IS ALL IN APPLES TO APPLES. ~110mbps Licensed Radio Radio + 2 foot dished + Coordination = $9,995.00 FCC Fees = $650 per side = $1,300.00 2 Power Supplies and 2 POE Adaptors = ~$638.00 TOTAL PRICE ALL IN = ~$11,933.00 ~150mbps Unlicensed Radio 150mbps Connectorized Radio Link = ~$11,000 Dual Pol Antennas + Coax Jumpers = ~$400.00 TOTAL PRICE ALL IN = $11,400.00 -Jeff CTI There is a Difference WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
Isn't there an old saying that goes something like; whether it works or not, nobody ever got fired for buying Cisco... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE Over the years, I've done a lot of work for Fortune 1000 companies. One time, as an alternative to Cisco, I suggested another product and was laughed out of the room. -RickG On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 8:12 AM, mlio...@r337.com wrote: All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when someone suggests Cisco. Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. Â If you need something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly do what it is that you need. Â But if you need something for some specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry, Nortel, etc. Of course if you had sent the above to the NANOG list they would be laughing at you. Cisco and Juniper alone are the reining champs of the high-end routing world. Foundry and Nortel are simply not even considered. Right now, the Cisco CRS-1 is considered the best equipment available. Regardless, talking about super high-end routers when Mike is only looking for a few 10 GigE ports is silly. A Cisco 6500/7600 with sup720-3bxl along with your 10 GigE card of choice is typically what is deployed today. There is a newer option from Cisco using one of the ASR series routers. Those will cost you roughly $25k to get started in any reasonable configuration. Whereas the sup720-3bxl option will likely cost you only $25k well equiped with a variety of ports. I would guess a sup720-3bxl platform with 48 10/100/1000 ports, 48 SFP ports, and 4 10 GigE ports would run about $30k used. It is worth noting that the sup720-3bxl has enough TCAM to support up to 1 million routes and has a backplane that can support 720Gbps. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GigE pricing
That's a pretty open ended question. Depends on location-location-location, commit level, term length, carrier just to name a few items that can influence the price. Cogent's website says they are the home of the $4 Megabit, but for some reason 99.99% of the places I ask for that deal they can't deliver it...grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 4:46 PM To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] GigE pricing Anyone with GigE connectionts that could share how much are you paying for it? Gino Sent from my Motorola Startac... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC power reset
http://digital-loggers.com/48.html Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 12:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DC power reset http://digital-loggers.com/EPC.pdf This is the AC one, we heard that they are now making a DC unit. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DC power reset Looking for a device to power cycle multiple 48 vDC devices, preferably Ethernet based. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC power reset
We've also used Control by Web in some cases. Good people with a very reliable product. Ten relays rather than eight and a couple hundred less than the DLI-48, but without an auto-ping reboot feature. http://www.controlbyweb.com/webrelay-10/index.html Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 12:56 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DC power reset http://digital-loggers.com/48.html Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 12:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DC power reset http://digital-loggers.com/EPC.pdf This is the AC one, we heard that they are now making a DC unit. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DC power reset Looking for a device to power cycle multiple 48 vDC devices, preferably Ethernet based. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC power reset
Good memory Tomforgot all about the DINRelay model. We haven't used one yet, but it appears this unit by far is the best value for $150.00 http://www.digital-loggers.com/din.html Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 8:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DC power reset Digitallogger now also has a DC volts reboot device, for about $200 Tom DeReggi. RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: [WISPA] DC power reset Looking for a device to power cycle multiple 48 vDC devices, preferably Ethernet based. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question about BGP + Mikrotik
A quick check looks like you have your own ASN, have one upstream peer (Sprint) and are advertising IPs reassigned to you from Sprint. Is that correct? You should be able to setup a BGP session between you and your new client and simply pass on any routes you are currently pulling from Sprint to your BGP client. You'll also need to let Sprint know that you have a new client that will be advertising their IP space so they can adjust their filters. Of course you'll need to adjust your outgoing BGP filters as well. You should have plenty of RAM to pull a full routing table from Sprint. I do not believe passing the routing table downstream takes any notable additional memory or CPU utilization. Our BGP MikroTiks are Quad Core machines with 2GB of RAM. A little overkill on the RAM, but having the Quad Core CPU really makes a difference when working with full tables. I'm a firm believer of don't fix it if it isn't broken, but you also may want to upgrade to v3.18 or v3.22 if you experience any BGP problems. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 11:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question about BGP + Mikrotik Ill add that the isp has its own AS # Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 11:51 AM To: wireless Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question about BGP + Mikrotik Lots of memory. Do you redistribute the partial routes into your igp? -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini [mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com] Sent: 18 April 2009 15:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Question about BGP + Mikrotik List Im running 3.15 on our Core Router to our upstream, I have 3 circuits running BGP to the same provider. Im only receving rartial routes. All is well We just sold a circuit to anothe ISP, thy want full bGP support. I assume we must change to full routes, any tips on the changes needed? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Sizeon 18 ghz
Seems to me I remember reading something in a trade magazine about a 1.5' antenna being approved for 18GHz, but why bother? Just go with the 2' and enjoy the additional fade margin. If the distance of your path doesn't warrant 2' antennas at 18GHz then you should be looking at 23GHz, 38GHz or possibly even 60GHz for really short paths. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Sizeon 18 ghz is 2' the smallest we can go? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch..
This is an interesting product. Amazing nobody else has produced something like it yet. Too bad it only has five ports...eight or sixteen would be much more desirable. Or even better would be a 2U rack mount device with 24 RJ45 ports. 12 ports for the Data IN and 12 ports for the Data Power OUT. Each port would be software configurable for voltage/polarity and provide up to 1200mA @ 24VDC per port. Voltage options would be 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC and standard 802.3af. It would include Auto Ping and remote management. This would not be a switch, but simply a multi-port DC injector with multi-voltage/polarity support and remote management. Throw redundant power supplies into this device and you'd have a winner IMO. grin Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:47 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. Cheaper than all of the parts separately. It'll also do auto reboots! This is a VERY clever unit. marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. $700 no thanks Its called a RB450G for $150 Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. Found this nice outdoor switch, multi power POE capable Nice for small pops anyone used it? http://www.inscapedata.com/pdf/LPS1000.pdf Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch..
Yes, I see that. It is a neat product, but not of much use for our needs. First, because it only has five ports. Second, because it's a switch and we prefer to route. Gino and I were just day dreaming of a more esoteric multi-port DC Injector on steroids. Not really holding my breath that we'll ever see such a critter...possibly due to guys like cough Travis cough that would only put a $19.95 value on something like it. grin For better or worse (mostly better, other than the cost) our typical HUB site equipment is located in the roof penthouse or designated radio room inside a cabinet, so outdoor gear other than the antennas or radios themselves is not required in most cases for us. That is why I was hoping for a rack mount multi-port PoE device with a feature set similar to what Gino I outlined earlier in this thread. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. It's an oudoor unit Brad. You don't even need an electrical box on the tower for this unit. marlon - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. This is an interesting product. Amazing nobody else has produced something like it yet. Too bad it only has five ports...eight or sixteen would be much more desirable. Or even better would be a 2U rack mount device with 24 RJ45 ports. 12 ports for the Data IN and 12 ports for the Data Power OUT. Each port would be software configurable for voltage/polarity and provide up to 1200mA @ 24VDC per port. Voltage options would be 12VDC, 24VDC, 48VDC and standard 802.3af. It would include Auto Ping and remote management. This would not be a switch, but simply a multi-port DC injector with multi-voltage/polarity support and remote management. Throw redundant power supplies into this device and you'd have a winner IMO. grin Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:47 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. Cheaper than all of the parts separately. It'll also do auto reboots! This is a VERY clever unit. marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. $700 no thanks Its called a RB450G for $150 Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Nifty Outdoor Switch.. Found this nice outdoor switch, multi power POE capable Nice for small pops anyone used it? http://www.inscapedata.com/pdf/LPS1000.pdf Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Service Limits
Hello Mike, Have to step in here and disagree. Private property. If they don't want you they can keep you out one way or another. This may not sit well with some, but it is the proper thing to do. The market will always sort these type of issues out themselves without third party or government intervention. This is no different than comparing any property amenity. Property A has XYZ vs. Property B doesn't. Some will find the XYZ amenity important and opt for Property A over B. If enough people do then you can bet Property B will find a way to add XYZ or a comparable amenity. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Service Limits I realize that is the way it is supposed to happen, but that hasn't happened here. We have Office space in Bishop Ranch, San Ramon CA. We are not allowed in the MPOE, and apparently others aren't either. We have been able to get T-1s pulled in, and then we gave handed the authorized personnel the other end of our Cat 5 to punch down and connect our Service Providers T-1's. When we asked Time Warner about the fiber, they sent us a map, showing fiber at the sidewalk, less than 100 feet away, and they claimed that Bishop Ranch wouldn't lt them in the MPOE, so they couldn't deliver. Maybe someone has bogus information? John Mike Hammett wrote: If you want their service, they can't restrict you, AFAIK. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:57 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need a few people to run a bandwidth test tomeplease... As they say, your mileage may vary We have a 2xT1 that we pay $560 per month for, and the routing/peering at TW Telecom is good, but then again, we are in the San Francisco Bay Area. If the building owners would have let TW Telecom into this buildings MPOE's we would have a 10 meg fiber circuit and be paying about $700 for it. The fiber is at the curb, but Bishop Ranch won't let TW Telecom in John Matt Liotta wrote: Personally, I wouldn't go with TW Telecom for bandwidth. They tend to be overly pricy and their peering is too selective. In a case where the city you are located in doesn't have good peering such as Orlando you need to carefully select your upstream. In the case of TW Telecom, they have hardly any peers in Atlanta, which is the closest major peering point to you. This causes most of your US based traffic to flow through Ashburn or Dallas. -Matt On May 14, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Just download a file via http from our web server at http://208.65.55.55/dummy.zip and then http://64.128.251.33/dummy.zip Then email me with how fast each went and a traceroute from you to just one of the servers please (they take same route). If you are not capable of downloading at 20MB on the Internet then the data is not too useful for me... Thank you I appreciate your time and assistance. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service Limits
Hello Mike, The bottom line - the end game - after all is said and done, the property owner will have his way and he should. After all it is his private property and if he doesn't want to offer XYZ amenity then he shouldn't be forced to. It should be his decision and only his decision and the market will reward or punish him as such. There is nothing forcing a particular tenant to lease space in Bishop Ranch. I would venture to guess there are other office parks in California, right? The tenant has options and that is what makes capitalism work so well. BTW, Bishop Ranch looks like an awesome development. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Limits Care to explain how that is illegal? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Limits Actually, there was a law passed a couple years ago that prevented this very thing. They cannot stop Verizon, Comcast, Time Warner, Level 3, or Joe's Crab Shack Internet Service from installing cables from outside into their suite. They can make it costly and they can make it a PITA, but they must allow their installation. The flip side of this issue is property own only allowing Bob's Telecom, which is excessively priced because Bob and Jim (your landlord) are brothers. That is illegal. Same situation as we're talking about here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Limits Hello Mike, Have to step in here and disagree. Private property. If they don't want you they can keep you out one way or another. This may not sit well with some, but it is the proper thing to do. The market will always sort these type of issues out themselves without third party or government intervention. This is no different than comparing any property amenity. Property A has XYZ vs. Property B doesn't. Some will find the XYZ amenity important and opt for Property A over B. If enough people do then you can bet Property B will find a way to add XYZ or a comparable amenity. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Service Limits I realize that is the way it is supposed to happen, but that hasn't happened here. We have Office space in Bishop Ranch, San Ramon CA. We are not allowed in the MPOE, and apparently others aren't either. We have been able to get T-1s pulled in, and then we gave handed the authorized personnel the other end of our Cat 5 to punch down and connect our Service Providers T-1's. When we asked Time Warner about the fiber, they sent us a map, showing fiber at the sidewalk, less than 100 feet away, and they claimed that Bishop Ranch wouldn't lt them in the MPOE, so they couldn't deliver. Maybe someone has bogus information? John Mike Hammett wrote: If you want their service, they can't restrict you, AFAIK. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:57 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need a few people to run a bandwidth test tomeplease... As they say, your mileage may vary We have a 2xT1 that we pay $560 per month for, and the routing/peering at TW Telecom is good, but then again, we are in the San Francisco Bay Area. If the building owners would have let TW Telecom into this buildings MPOE's we would have a 10 meg fiber circuit and be paying about $700 for it. The fiber is at the curb, but Bishop Ranch won't let TW Telecom in John Matt Liotta wrote: Personally, I wouldn't go with TW Telecom for bandwidth. They tend to be overly pricy and their peering is too selective. In a case where the city you are located in doesn't have good peering such as Orlando you need to carefully select your upstream. In the case of TW Telecom, they have hardly any peers in Atlanta, which is the closest major peering point to you. This causes most of your US based traffic to flow through Ashburn or Dallas. -Matt On May 14, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Just download a file via http from our web server at http://208.65.55.55/dummy.zip and then http://64.128.251.33/dummy.zip Then email
Re: [WISPA] Service Limits
Hello Mike, Still doesn't mean the property owner can't keep you out. Again, bottom line after all is said and done the property owner WILL prevail one way or another. Again, it is his private property and should be this way. If the property A doesn't have covered parking, but property B does and covered parking is important to you then lease from property B. This is no different than if a property has Mike's Internet or not. If you desire Mike's Internet then find a property that has Mike's Internet or a property that will allow Mike's Internet to be installed. Otherwise lease elsewhere. If this happens often enough than I guarantee the property owner will find a way to get Mike's Internet, so that they can close on more leasing opportunities. This isn't rocket science. The market always works these issues out in the end. There is no law stating the property owner has to lease to you or renew a tenant lease. So, they may get to hang that DSS dish eye sore off the front of the building on their balcony for a while, but when their lease comes up they'll be gone and so will that dish. In the end the property owner will prevail as they should. You will always attract more bees with honey vs. vinegar. Trying to force yourself into a property citing FCC rules etc, etc will be your first and last mistake with a landlord. Word spreads quickly of such tactics around town and within BOMA. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Limits I'd have a more authoritative source, but The normal FCC website is temporarily unavailable due to technical difficulties. We are working to restore the full FCC website back to normal as soon as possible. Residential telecom was banned on March 21st, 2008. Commercial telecom was banned October 12, 2000. The October 12, 2000 ruling also put fixed wireless under OTARD's umbrella. http://www.wcsr.com/resources/pdfs/telecomm032608.pdf http://www.dlapiper.com/us/publications/detail.aspx?pub=3094 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:30 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Limits Care to explain how that is illegal? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Limits Actually, there was a law passed a couple years ago that prevented this very thing. They cannot stop Verizon, Comcast, Time Warner, Level 3, or Joe's Crab Shack Internet Service from installing cables from outside into their suite. They can make it costly and they can make it a PITA, but they must allow their installation. The flip side of this issue is property own only allowing Bob's Telecom, which is excessively priced because Bob and Jim (your landlord) are brothers. That is illegal. Same situation as we're talking about here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Limits Hello Mike, Have to step in here and disagree. Private property. If they don't want you they can keep you out one way or another. This may not sit well with some, but it is the proper thing to do. The market will always sort these type of issues out themselves without third party or government intervention. This is no different than comparing any property amenity. Property A has XYZ vs. Property B doesn't. Some will find the XYZ amenity important and opt for Property A over B. If enough people do then you can bet Property B will find a way to add XYZ or a comparable amenity. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Service Limits I realize that is the way it is supposed to happen, but that hasn't happened here. We have Office space in Bishop Ranch, San Ramon CA. We are not allowed in the MPOE, and apparently others aren't either. We have been able to get T-1s pulled in, and then we gave handed the authorized personnel the other end of our Cat 5 to punch down and connect our Service Providers T-1's. When we asked Time Warner about the fiber, they sent us a map, showing fiber at the sidewalk, less than 100 feet away, and they claimed that Bishop
Re: [WISPA] Service Limits
Your argument makes the assumption there are no other options for a tenant other than the property in question. This is really no different than restaurants that allow smoking vs. restaurants that don't allow smoking. If you want to smoke you will dine at restaurants that allow smoking and the ones that forbid smoking won't get your business. This works for the non-smokers too. Personally I'm a non-smoker and dine at either smoking or non-smoking restaurants, but we all know people that are adamant on both sides of the issue. Regarding your tenant lease renewal example, doubt the property owner will make publicly known (regardless as to the reason) why he chooses not to renew a tenant's lease. Is there a law I'm unaware of that forces a landlord to give reason for not renewing a lease? Eviction, sure, but not for renewals. Have you ever read a lease agreement closely? They are always heavily weighted towards the landlord vs. the tenant as they should be. Again, there is nothing forcing a tenant to lease there as they can always lease elsewhere. There are many limitations that can prevent the number of providers in one property. Riser space or roof space may be limited among many other limitations. Roof or other building warranties may be voided if the new provider is negligent or even if they aren't negligent. Insurance requirements will need to meet the property owner's requirements. The property owner can essentially make it cost prohibitive for you to enter the property if they choose to do so. Again, in the end the property owner will prevail as they should. It is after all their property and they should have final say what happens to their property. If their decisions are poor and result in lost lease revenue than they'll be gone soon enough and maybe the new owner will see the benefit to allowing the right additional providers into the property. The market always works these issues out themselves. If you are truly offering a better product that is desirable then all of this is a moot point. The problem is today (due to our current government nanny state) any Joe Shmo can call themselves a Telco Provider. Savvy property owners should, can and will keep those out that they don't see as a benefit. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Limits Your argument assumes issues such as anti-trust don't exist. The market is not always right especially when you have monopoly issues to deal with. In the case of telecom, we have competitive issues that the market has been unable to historically solve. See the breakup of ATT and more recently the 1996 telecom act. Now more to your point. The most ideal situation is for property owners to come to mutual acceptable agreements with telecom providers who need to access to their private property. That isn't always possible, but to imply that the property owner will always win is shorted-sighted. There are many cases where both the telecom provider AND the property owner can lose. One example of just the property owner losing, is the case of placing an antenna in exclusively controlled space where OTARD applies; the property owner regularly loses. If like you suggest a property owner gets rid of a tenant because of a dish, the tenant at no expensive can complain to the FCC. The property owner will then at their own expense have to argue before the FCC that they didn't violate OTARD. Understand the immense downside facing a property owner in this case. FCC rules trump almost all others including contract law. In fact, the only way to overturn an FCC decision regarding OTARD is an act of Congress. The best part of OTARD is that while the case is pending the property owner losing some of their property rights related to the tenant in question. At the end of the day, the problem with property owners is that they let in the monopolies for free and charge the competitors. Tenants should have access to competitive telecom providers. The property owner should receive compensation from telecom providers for access to their property. But, because the property owner can't get away with charging the monopoly they stick it to the competitive providers. This ensures that only the monopolies win. What we need is some basic market regulation. Property owners should be able to charge fair and reasonable access fees AND the monopolies should be required to pay them. At the same time, if the monopolies are going to be required to pay for access then all the other providers should be given access assuming they pay the same fees. This gives tenants choice, property owners compensation, and telecom providers an even playing field. -Matt On May 21, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Brad Belton wrote: Hello Mike, Still doesn't
Re: [WISPA] Court: No exclusive cable rights in apartments
Ditto... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Court: No exclusive cable rights in apartments Can we please have our government stay out of business and let capitalism run its course? I think their time would be better spent (or wasted) doing what they do best - politics and wasting time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: No not really. It allows FIOS triple play to be installed. The ruling, that passed the first time last year (this was the appeal), stated that Cable Company's rights to negotiated exclusivity could not be upheld or inforces. There is nothing that prevents the landlord MTU owner rights to honor and continue to offer exclusivity to Cable Co contracts, if they want to. And there is nothing to require the Cable Co to continue offering service (unless part of their state/county wide franchise agreements). So it enables competition. The new provider now has to be able to offer the MTU owner/landlord better value than the Cable Co did, to gain the owner's support. The rule didn't take ownership of the coax away from teh Cable Co, nor does it require the Cable Co to share it. For a WISP to use the COAX, the WISP would need to either gain permission from the Cable Co to use it, or have the Cable Co abandon the Coax so it became property of the MTU owner, neither of which is likely. Most likely, the WISP would ahve to deploy their own new cabling, which would make it impossible to offer better value than teh Cable Co, without atleast a double play. This will actually harm WISPs. Now WISPs will have to compete with both Cable Cos and FIOS within a building :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Court: No exclusive cable rights in apartments Wow this just opened up every single MTU in the nation as a potential customer for everyone on this list... and the building is already cabled with coax... just need to find some cheap head-end units to feed internet over the coax. :) Travis Microserv Scottie Arnett wrote: http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-exclusive-cable-rights-apartments-052609.asp x Scottie Arnett --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower Cat5 Bundles WAS: Re: Ethernet Cabling
This was discussed on this list as recent as 3-10-09 in the Easy Ethernet up the tower thread, but here ya go again... Run a 25pr CAT5 cable (or two if you need) up the tower and then break it out into a punch down inside a NEMA4 enclosure on top. I believe Mohawk, Superior Essex or both have armor jacketed outdoor cable for this purpose. Each 25pr cable is the equivalent of running six individual CAT5 cables. (plus a spare pair) Punch down the cable in patch panels on both ends using the following color code and you're good to go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tower Cat5 Bundles WAS: Re: Ethernet Cabling How about bundles of cat5's up a tower? I'm needing to run about 12 to 15 cat5's up a leg of a water tower, using clamps standoffs. Does anyone have a recommendation for this? How have you done this before? Bundles of so many routed through a rubber standoff mount? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling Michael, I see my last post was redundant to some comments others already made. But to answer your question... We use Superior Essex for critical infrastrucure. We use Shireen cable (allrfcables.com) for all other. Its depended whether you need a .45 dia cable or .18 cable, based on the hole size of the radio pass thru. Note the Mohawk is awesome cable from a durabilty and cost perspective. But, we found it was to hard to work with, to put on the CAT5 ends. It required use of a dremel to grind off the outer cable. The Superior Essex did not have that problem, which is why we migrated to it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers? Regards Michael Baird -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower Cat5 Bundles WAS: Re: Ethernet Cabling
Hello Mark, We've been running cable like this at several HUB sites for more than 5 years now. We do have lots of lightning and storms here in North Texas and have either been extremely lucky (not likely) or our installation methods have been satisfactory. PoE hasn't been an issue over 25pr CAT5 cable. Keeping the pairs together IS important, meaning don't split a pair apart no different than you'd split a pair apart in a single CAT5 cable. We take the leftover Slate Colored pairs out of each master bundle (e.g. the White-Red-Black-Yellow-Violet) and use them for the sixth CAT5 cable. We have not seen any Ethernet or PoE problems with this Slate bundle for the 6th CAT5 cable. So for example, in the White bundle punch down the Blue, Orange, Green and Brown pairs just as you would normally in your panel. Then move on to the Red bundle, etc, etc. You'll be left with: White bundle Slate pair (punch down as your 6th CAT5 cable Blue Pair) Red bundle Slate pair (punch down as your 6th CAT5 cable Orange Pair) Black bundle Slate pair (punch down as your 6th CAT5 cable Green Pair) Yellow bundle Slate pair(punch down as your 6th CAT5 cable Brown Pair) Violet bundle Slate pair(Unused Spare Pair) In the NEMA4 enclosure topside we punch the 25pr down into something like this. One of these will handle two 25pr CAT5 cables. http://cgi.ebay.com/Cat5e-12-Port-Wall-Mount-Patch-Panel-Cat-5e-W-Bracket_W0 QQitemZ130306652481 I'm not a master electrician, but I don't see how one cable vs. several cables would pose a greater lightening risk. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Cat5 Bundles WAS: Re: Ethernet Cabling Thanks Brad. I remember that thread, and I just re-read all the posts that I didn't delete. So, in your experience, you feel it's OK for your equipment to run PoE through a 25-pair cat5 cable? We don't have much during the year here for lightning strikes...at all. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Cat5 Bundles WAS: Re: Ethernet Cabling This was discussed on this list as recent as 3-10-09 in the Easy Ethernet up the tower thread, but here ya go again... Run a 25pr CAT5 cable (or two if you need) up the tower and then break it out into a punch down inside a NEMA4 enclosure on top. I believe Mohawk, Superior Essex or both have armor jacketed outdoor cable for this purpose. Each 25pr cable is the equivalent of running six individual CAT5 cables. (plus a spare pair) Punch down the cable in patch panels on both ends using the following color code and you're good to go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Tower Cat5 Bundles WAS: Re: Ethernet Cabling How about bundles of cat5's up a tower? I'm needing to run about 12 to 15 cat5's up a leg of a water tower, using clamps standoffs. Does anyone have a recommendation for this? How have you done this before? Bundles of so many routed through a rubber standoff mount? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling Michael, I see my last post was redundant to some comments others already made. But to answer your question... We use Superior Essex for critical infrastrucure. We use Shireen cable (allrfcables.com) for all other. Its depended whether you need a .45 dia cable or .18 cable, based on the hole size of the radio pass thru. Note the Mohawk is awesome cable from a durabilty and cost perspective. But, we found it was to hard to work with, to put on the CAT5 ends. It required use of a dremel to grind off the outer cable. The Superior Essex did not have that problem, which is why we migrated to it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering
[WISPA] OFF LIST.............................. Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability
Ha! Too damn funny..I'm playing Zynga online Poker fairly often now on my iphone. Pretty damn fun. Brad Belton BelWave Communications O: 817-737-3124 #101 F: 817-336-7031 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability Yup... us too but now it's I had to fold my online Poker hand because my connection went down... I lost $1,000. Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: Yep, me too. Right out of the starting gates over 10 years ago, straight with S-Corp. Too much stupid s**t too be sued over by being a service provider. For instance... Oh, your child saw porn? Maybe you should be watching over your child instead of trying to screw me out of every penny I own? Or... there were three companies products that YOU could have bought to protect your children from seeing that! Heh...we used to joke that our ISP was responsible for destroying billions of dollars of value in missed stock trades and market timings =) -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST.............................. Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability
Well now, wasn't that bright of me. sigh Brad From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 8:34 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: OFF LIST..[WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability Ha! Too damn funny..I'm playing Zynga online Poker fairly often now on my iphone. Pretty damn fun. Brad Belton BelWave Communications O: 817-737-3124 #101 F: 817-336-7031 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability Yup... us too but now it's I had to fold my online Poker hand because my connection went down... I lost $1,000. Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: Yep, me too. Right out of the starting gates over 10 years ago, straight with S-Corp. Too much stupid s**t too be sued over by being a service provider. For instance... Oh, your child saw porn? Maybe you should be watching over your child instead of trying to screw me out of every penny I own? Or... there were three companies products that YOU could have bought to protect your children from seeing that! Heh...we used to joke that our ISP was responsible for destroying billions of dollars of value in missed stock trades and market timings =) -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] service in Tecumseh, OK
Not to try and hijack your thread, but if you find anyone in that area please respond on-list. I have an account or two looking for service in nearby Shawnee, OK. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 12:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] service in Tecumseh, OK Does anyone offer broadband service in this area? 25083 Old Hwy 18 Tecumseh, OK 74873 Thanks in advance. Mario WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crazy Weather
Take a quick look at the weather coming into DFW right now... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 4:44 PM To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group; w...@part-15.org Subject: [WISPA] Crazy Weather Storm #2 rolling in today We've already had three tornado warnings and at least one on the ground within three miles of my house. Amazingly enough - nothing is down other than one site that had a brief power outage. New 9 mile 19ghz link on 2' dishes faded from -48 to -70 for a while and then came back within a few minutes. Seems like we have had rain and lightning almost every night for the last two weeks. I can't help but feel that we are very fortunate that we have only had to replace a couple of radio units since it all started. This is the most rain we have gotten here in probably ten years or so. Anyone else seeing weird weather so far this year? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BGP Question
Yes, but the syntax is a little cumbersome. I had it jotted down somewhere...I'll see if I can find it. Or maybe Butch can pipe in with the correct command/syntax? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] BGP Question IS there any way to verify on a Router the Advertisements received from a peer? in Mikrotik? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues
I would be interested in this as well. Please share on-list! Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues All, I've used the excellent open source backup program, rsnapshot, for years with good results. I recently noticed that routeros supports sftp. I'd like to get snapshot backups of all our APs. Here's how it would work: Rsnapshot can run a few commands on each system before backing up the file system. I'd like to 1) remove all *.backup and *.rsc files. 2) run a fresh binary backup, followed by a text export. 3) The normal rsnapshot function resumes getting a copy of the filesystem. Just having trouble putting the parts of the pre-run MT script. Specifically how to delete the existing backup files. Any Hints appreciated, as everyone could use this 'full seatbelt backup solution. It includes daily changes to any file or configuration changes on each routeros system. Thanks, Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss
Ha! I looked up scintillation as well and was wondering the same thing. Odds are Mike hit it on the head with the RF thermal ducting suggestion. We've seen this on long paths (20miles+) that have little down tilt. The RF signal can be ducted away from the intended target as it gets caught between thermal layers in the atmosphere. Paths with more down tilt between point A and point B appear to be more resilient to RF thermal ducting. I can only assume this is because the RF signal has a better chance of pushing through the thermal duct wall err I mean ceiling floor. Long paths engineered with enough fade margin will typically stay up, but may downshift in modulation to compensate for the reduced signal strength. This is why it is important to eek out every last db of signal when first installing long PtP paths. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss Which definition of scintillation applies? Definitions of scintillation on the Web: * (physics) a flash of light that is produced in a phosphor when it absorbs a photon or ionizing particle * twinkle: a rapid change in brightness; a brief spark or flash * a brilliant display of wit * glitter: the quality of shining with a bright reflected light * the twinkling of the stars caused when changes in the density of the earth's atmosphere produce uneven refraction of starlight wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn * Scintillation or twinkling are generic terms for rapid variations in apparent brightness or color of a distant luminous object viewed through the atmosphere. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scintillation_(astronomy) * Scintillating scotoma is the most common visual aura preceding migraine and was first described by 19th century physician Hubert Airy (1838-1903). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scintillation_(medicine) * Scintillation is a fluctuation in the amplitude of a target on a radar display. It is closely related to target glint, or wander, an apparent displacement of the target from its mean position. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scintillation_(radar) * Scintillation is a flash of light produced in a transparent material by an ionization event. See scintillator and scintillation counter for ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scintillation_(physics) * A flash of light; a spark; The twinkling of a star caused by turbulence in the Earth's atmosphere; The flash of light produced by a phosphor ... en.wiktionary.org/wiki/scintillation * scintillate - give off; the substance scintillated sparks and flashes * scintillate - sparkle: reflect brightly; Unquarried marble sparkled on the hillside * scintillate - twinkle: emit or reflect light in a flickering manner; Does a constellation twinkle more brightly than a single star? * scintillate - physics: fluoresce momentarily when struck by a charged particle or high-energy photon; the phosphor fluoresced wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn * scintillating - brilliantly clever; scintillating wit; a play full of scintillating dialogue wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Rubens Kuhlrube...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Ed Spoon - Computer Sales Services, Inc.ed.sp...@cssla.com wrote: So, what causes this crazy loss on all of my 'longer' 5.8 links after dark/overnight? Temp drop? Contraction? Condensation? Moonbeams? Likely to be scintillation. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some great photos
Well there's a good example of someone with a firm grasp on current events. Conquered?sigh I thought politics was off limits on a technical list? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of richard sterne Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 6:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Some great photos I wonder WHY our US and British troops are there in a country that has never been conquered? What a waste of good lives. Richard 2009/9/6 Ron Harden rhar...@voxcorp.net http://cryptome.org/0001/af-fun-news-02.htm Contained in this list are the photo and the story from the photographer's perspective, that the AP was heavily criticized for publishing, of a wounded soldier in Afghanistan that dies a few hours later. I think it's worth sharing to reflect on the sacrifices made by our young men in harms way in their effort to provide a safe future for our families and our children. It also tells the story of their days and provides a stark contrast with our lives and problems that we deal with daily. If so inclined, a daily prayer is recommended for our troop's safety and success in their endeavors to make this a safer world. Thanks for sharing Blake...Ron -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers [mailto:bbow...@mozarks.com] Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:34 AM To: tower-...@yahoogroups.com Cc: towerown...@yahoogroups.com; l...@yahoogroups.com; WISPA General List; towerwork...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [WISPA] Some great photos check out http://cryptome.org/ Scroll down a bit on the page. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
. stop bragging about killing people. What a dopy comment. I haven't gathered anyone has bragged about killing someone. We get your stance Jack, so bottle it and stop trying to get the last word in and then suggest we all get back to work. FORT WORTH - An employee of a south-side roofing business shot a man he thought was a burglar late Wednesday, police said. The wounded man was in serious condition at John Peter Smith Hospital on Thursday, officials say. Officers went to Lon Smith Roofing, 904 E. Waggoman St., about 11:30 p.m. to investigate a report of a shooting, Sgt. Pedro Criado, a police spokesman, wrote in a news release. A company employee told them that he had responded to an alarm, and when he arrived, he saw a man coming out of the business with some stolen property, Criado wrote. The employee warned the man that he had a weapon and ordered him to stop, Criado wrote. The suspect reportedly charged the employee. The employee shot the suspect with one shot from a .38-caliber handgun, Criado wrote. The employee had a permit to carry a concealed weapon, and the case was under investigation Thursday, Criado said. It will be presented to a Tarrant County grand jury, which will determine whether it should go to trial. - Bill Miller http://www.star-telegram.com/metro_news/story/1565735.html Stories like this one are unfortunately common place around the country, but in some ways necessary. The more times people like this are stopped the less likely they will think to try it again at your place of business or home. From all preliminary accounts this employee is a hero and has been treated as such. Regardless of where you live it is impossible for law enforcement to be everywhere at all times. This in part why our founding fathers wrote the Second Amendment and why it is important to all law abiding citizens. Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 4:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism There's a difference between killing someone who shows you a weapon and threatens your life versus someone who commits a felony on some remote property. Hardly anyone (or any state) would deny you the ability to use lethal force to defend your life. That's a lot different from hunting down and killing someone who steals or destroys your property at a remote location and is not threatening your life. A remote crime against property should be handled by the local law enforcement authorities. At any rate, discussions about killing are off-topic for this list. I'd suggest that we all get back to work and stop bragging about killing people. jack Jayson Baker wrote: This is also the case in Colorado. I remember a couple years ago a guy came to the door of a couple's home, they opened the door and the guy showed them a knife. The wife beat the crap out of the guy with a baseball bat. He was DOA when the cops got there. She/they weren't charged at all. Jayson On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Then the defense lawyer states you can't prove that the victim (in this case) was committing any felonies. Also, what kind of felony can one do on another persons property? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Blair Davis mailto:the...@wmwisp.net the...@wmwisp.net wrote: In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing or attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or leased). Jack Unger wrote: Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the jury, the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy people. Blair Davis wrote: I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down, I will make holes in them. .45 caliber holes, 12 gauge holes, 20 gauge holes... whats mine is mine. Travis Johnson wrote: In my area... yes. Several Fish Game officers have been shot by hunters when they get caught poaching in the middle of nowhere. People get clubbed or shot at all the time when they are surprised by someone being there, and they go into can't let this person tell anyone what we just did mode. Is it really worth the confrontation over a tower? Maybe if you could take 10 other guys with you, but otherwise it's not worth it. By the time you get there, the tower will already be over. 15 seconds with an 18v milwaukee sawzall and a sharp blade will cut through a tower leg like butter. Travis Microserv -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Hello Marco, In our neck of the woods 6Ghz is about all you can use at that distance. Typically 6GHz is only good for about 155-170Mbps, but I have read about some faster radios. Given 6GHz only gives you 30MHz channels I assume these faster 6GHz radios are using two 30MHz channels to reach beyond the 170Mbps ceiling. Problem you may run into at that point is finding two 6Ghz channels available in or near a market as large and noisy as DFW! If 160Mbps+ is enough bandwidth for you then I'd look at the Trango GigaLINK. So far all our licensed Trango gear has performed well. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:16 PM To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Yep...I got that Exalt email too, but exactly how? Multiple channels? The email didn't include any details. Is it a true 1Gbps FDX or 500Mbps FDX? Not that 500Mbps at 6GHz is anything to sneeze at... Or is it VaporWare? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Just to add... New Exalt equipment will provide up to 1 Gb throughput at 6 Ghz. FYI Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:35:14 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Hello Marco, In our neck of the woods 6Ghz is about all you can use at that distance. Typically 6GHz is only good for about 155-170Mbps, but I have read about some faster radios. Given 6GHz only gives you 30MHz channels I assume these faster 6GHz radios are using two 30MHz channels to reach beyond the 170Mbps ceiling. Problem you may run into at that point is finding two 6Ghz channels available in or near a market as large and noisy as DFW! If 160Mbps+ is enough bandwidth for you then I'd look at the Trango GigaLINK. So far all our licensed Trango gear has performed well. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:16 PM To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Right, but the Exalt pitch is the radios bond within themselves. No outside equipment required. Bottom line is you'll likely need to be in a pretty remote area in order to be able to find multiple 6GHz channels available between two points. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Well, duh ...aggregation of multiple radios... We can all bond multiple radios to get to a certain speed. Just divide the total speed you need by 187Mbps and that's the number of radios/licenses you need. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Is this what you're talking about, Bob? Â The EX-6i-DS3-GigE http://www.exaltcom.com/EX-6i-DS3-GigE.aspx Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:21 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Just to add... Â New Exalt equipment will provide up to 1 Gb throughput at 6 Ghz. FYI Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:35:14 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Hello Marco, In our neck of the woods 6Ghz is about all you can use at that distance. Typically 6GHz is only good for about 155-170Mbps, but I have read about some faster radios. Â Given 6GHz only gives you 30MHz channels I assume these faster 6GHz radios are using two 30MHz channels to reach beyond the 170Mbps ceiling. Â Problem you may run into at that point is finding two 6Ghz channels available in or near a market as large and noisy as DFW! If 160Mbps+ is enough bandwidth for you then I'd look at the Trango GigaLINK. Â So far all our licensed Trango gear has performed well. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:16 PM To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Exalt says only up to four links can be bonded. So, it's similar to DragonWave's claim of GigE radios. Almost, but no cigar! Last I checked 800Mbps isn't 1000Mbps... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth 187 mbps Per link For 1 gig youll need 6 links Is there rf room for 6 simultanious links in the same path? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Is this what you're talking about, Bob? The EX-6i-DS3-GigE http://www.exaltcom.com/EX-6i-DS3-GigE.aspx Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:21 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Just to add... New Exalt equipment will provide up to 1 Gb throughput at 6 Ghz. FYI Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:35:14 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Hello Marco, In our neck of the woods 6Ghz is about all you can use at that distance. Typically 6GHz is only good for about 155-170Mbps, but I have read about some faster radios. Given 6GHz only gives you 30MHz channels I assume these faster 6GHz radios are using two 30MHz channels to reach beyond the 170Mbps ceiling. Problem you may run into at that point is finding two 6Ghz channels available in or near a market as large and noisy as DFW! If 160Mbps+ is enough bandwidth for you then I'd look at the Trango GigaLINK. So far all our licensed Trango gear has performed well. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:16 PM To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?
Agreed. Too many lists devalues the content due to smaller pools of information (people) to pull from. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You? Too many lists just fragment the conversation. Many including myself just don't feel like joining a bunch of lists. Ultimately, if WISPA is trying to move the value of the lists to just members then they should just make the existing list, members only and be done with. -Matt On Sep 12, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: Ah. I never quite remember that: the WISP list is for WISPA members only, while the WISPA list is for any WISP. Definitely clever naming ;-). cough Still, I wish they'd change that since us not-so-clever people would expect the reverse! Anyway, I generally support moving some of this onto internal lists, but I don't think it makes a lot of sense to divide things up so finely that we have frequency-labelled lists. Chuck On Sep 12, 2009, at 9:15 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: A members-only list, so if people don't mind to keep it going on this list instead of the closed one... Rubens On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Heads up thread - Jack made a new list for 3.650 topics specifically. On 9/12/09, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: Tom, 802.16d implementations can and do support diversity antennas on the AUs. I don't know the definitive answer to the rest of the question. But I do know that: (1) Clients in 802.16e can and do support diversity (2) The clients are supposed to be interoperable (3) I know of no clients that support diversity in 802.16d So, speculatively, the point might that 802.16e clients support diversity and interoperate. You pick up at least a few db with client diversity antennas-though not nearly enough to make up for the lower power regime you have to operate in. Chuck On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Patrick, Always great to see your list posts filled with good info. Responses inline... The E standard does enable use of diversity, but it comes at a high cost and is of limited benefit for rural operators. The truth is that diversity is designed to increase link budgets to support self- install. Can you clarify? Are you saying D Spec does not support Diversity? Or that most D vendors focusing on price chose not to include implementation of it? Even most Wifi chipsets supports diversity. My understanding was D supported diversity, because the early Pre- Wimax Aperto supported all types of Diversity. Please clarify. I'd like to add... I'd like to see more FIXED products support Diversity at the AP. Trials have shown that Polarity diversity yielded much better results than Spacial diversity for NLOS. BUT, that data does not consider spectrum availabilty and congestion. Many Metro deployments can't afford to waste a polarity, with limited spectrum and lots of noise, and forced to abandon the idea of Polarity diversity. Spacial Diversity at teh AP is an enhancement that can be used without any trade-off other than Colo fees if can't avoid paying colo per antenna. Actually in newer MIMO designs Spacial Diversity on its own showed signficant improvements in range. This could becaome even more important in 3.65 with few channels. Basically, each standard has its place, E is for people in 2.5 GHz doing self-install, like Clearwire, and we all know the low service (especially low upstream) packages offered in Clearwire's service. D is better and cheaper for rural fixed operators, and especially for public safety video type networks and definitely for voice-centric users. D is better for enterprise, where many users sit behind the CPE. E is better for roaming individual users with modest expectations. I'd agree. And I'd agree D is most appropriate for most WISPs. I think the biggest factor in deciding though isn't technology specs? People want to pick the technology with the longest life span. Many WISPs might prefer D, but are afraid D might be discontinued sooner, since the big dollar might have followed E. Just like is happening right now. I think the number one factor that will lead WISPs to pick D is acknowledgement that Vendors understand and see the long term potential and MArket for D, so we can be confident about our vendors. So far, I think the primary vendors have done a good job showing their supprot for D. The other number 1 barrier to WiMax is price, so once again many have chosen D for price reasons. But that is a fake benefit, because technically there is no reason that E product couldn't be sold just as Cheap if it came down to it. If anything, E has the potential to drop to lower prices,
Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum
Agreed...need more information before anyone should get too excited. Tell us the basics like what payload capacity will a single Quantum radio pair produce with: (1) 30MHz wide channel (2) 40MHz wide channel (3) 80MHz wide channel Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum What is Quantum throughput per carrier, without XPIC and multiple antennas ? The website tells the up to number... Rubens On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:08 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: The product is overall a major improvement on the Horizon Duo... I think Dragonwave really hit it out of the park here (and since they build all of their own radios unlike most other companies... I don't see anyone else catching up for awhile). Rumor has it they built this product for Clearwire... Anyways I was surprised to see it on their website this morning... they haven't passed on pricing to the resellers yet (I'm probably meeting with them later this week to get all of the nitty gritty on it) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum I forgot what list we were recently discussing this on, but DragonWave just announced their Quantum product. Â It claims to boost throughput without using any more spectrum. Â 2.5X increase in efficiency, up to 4 GB/s per link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum
This is interesting. What does Throughput with Accelerator and Up to mean? Is there any explanation of this technology and how they claim it works? It should be noted the Quantum RX Sensitivity required to achieve their Modulation Schemes is about 5-7db worse than Trango Apex. So, it's likely the Quantum will be downshifting more often than a comparable Apex radio. All in all still pretty impressive and I'm glad to see the bar being pushed even further up. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum I don't think this has been publically released yet... Overall is a pretty good improvement on the Horizon Duo... and it looks like it will be cheaper to. Still waiting on a lot of the technical information... but as I get stuff I will share :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum I forgot what list we were recently discussing this on, but DragonWave just announced their Quantum product. It claims to boost throughput without using any more spectrum. 2.5X increase in efficiency, up to 4 GB/s per link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum
You are correct. My mistake for comparing an all ODU radio set to a split architecture radio set. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum Throughput accelerator is a compression scheme... so it depends on the traffic going across it what it is going to deliver. No matter what though... it will deliver more traffic with no penalty than the Duo. If you're going to look at the Apex... compare it to the Horizon Compact... apples for apples. The quantum should be compared to the Giga... which quickly comparing the two shows the Quantum being equal or better than the Giga at transmit power and receiver sensitivity Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum This is interesting. What does Throughput with Accelerator and Up to mean? Is there any explanation of this technology and how they claim it works? It should be noted the Quantum RX Sensitivity required to achieve their Modulation Schemes is about 5-7db worse than Trango Apex. So, it's likely the Quantum will be downshifting more often than a comparable Apex radio. All in all still pretty impressive and I'm glad to see the bar being pushed even further up. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum I don't think this has been publically released yet... Overall is a pretty good improvement on the Horizon Duo... and it looks like it will be cheaper to. Still waiting on a lot of the technical information... but as I get stuff I will share :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 8:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DragonWave Quantum I forgot what list we were recently discussing this on, but DragonWave just announced their Quantum product. It claims to boost throughput without using any more spectrum. 2.5X increase in efficiency, up to 4 GB/s per link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
sigh...I guess we need to re-visit the three factors that play into what bandwidth will cost: (1) Location (2) Location (3) Location Any questions? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality $1300 for 6 meg here. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:22:23 -0400 $1500 for 20 megs here. Nearly double your cost. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Yup. We pay almost 800 bucks for 20/20 meg. To not do any shaping we would Thats cheap compared to what we pay! You are paying about $40 a meg. Is that tier1 bandwidth? We are paying about $100 meg for tier1. Matt have to charge way more than anyone will pay. Take the 800 bucks split by 20 then add overhead costs and it's too much to bear. Bandwidth that will handle 500+ customers with shaping would then, if totally net neutral, only go to 20 customers or less. To be true net neutral is just to pass all the traffic through with no touching it. Reasonable network management, as Josh says, is pretty broad in definition. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
Agreed, we use this fact as a selling point against the large LECs. ATT is great, but they can break too. If that's all you got then you're down for the count. In comparison we (and many other smaller players like us) aggregate multiple Tier1 carriers so that our customers realize those benefits. If and when one of our Tier1 upstream providers has a problem our clients largely never see it. Traffic simply adjusts and works around the problem until they get it fixed. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Tier 1 is fairly meaningless. In many cases, tier 2 bandwidth is better quality than tier 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network though I'm not sure how current that is. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:20 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Yup. We pay almost 800 bucks for 20/20 meg. To not do any shaping we would Thats cheap compared to what we pay! You are paying about $40 a meg. Is that tier1 bandwidth? We are paying about $100 meg for tier1. Matt have to charge way more than anyone will pay. Take the 800 bucks split by 20 then add overhead costs and it's too much to bear. Bandwidth that will handle 500+ customers with shaping would then, if totally net neutral, only go to 20 customers or less. To be true net neutral is just to pass all the traffic through with no touching it. Reasonable network management, as Josh says, is pretty broad in definition. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Agreed, Radio Mobile has a slight learning curve, but nothing really unusual. I'd also take a look into Cameron Crum's www.wispmon.com application. Among many, many features he has a really nice profiler built-in now. I've been a Radio Mobile user for years, but have grown to really like the profiler Cameron has integrated into his Wispmon program. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Pretty slick, but way, way too small of a window for my dual 30 monitors! It's like trying to read a full size fold out map in your lap through a paper towel roll! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Radio Mobile is what I typically use, but I can't help but share this: LigoWave Link Calculator http://www.ligowave.com/linkcalc/main.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I was holding this chunk of Organite and praying for such a thing and now here it is. Spooky. Get ready for the list, Shaddi. For one, this browser based software should not depend on the internet, yes? The term browser speaks internet to me. If I'm out in the field trying to figure out a link I obviously don't have internet there. Not that I see myself out in the middle of a corn field with my laptop trying to figure it out but hey, who knows. The basics of course is terrain and elevation but I'd like to see how a link over water is taken into account rolled into the thing. I also have to guess at trees. If I'm only able to get 70 feet or so up and the trees around here are also around 70 feet, it might say yes but the trees would say no. Could it possibly have a variable where you could set an average height for stands of trees? Where I am at, Southern Ohio, all the patches of trees are pretty much a single average height. If the software could distinguish a large green patch as trees and you tell the software that the average height is whatever, it could possibly add that height to the land elevation. Would be good to have a database of various antennas and radios to pull from as well. Hey! IDEA! A new game, Wireless Internet Tycoon!!! What do ya think? I've kinda ran off the rails here, sorry. You want a wish list? Grab some paper, pal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shaddi Hasan Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Howdy WISPA! Just joined today but wanted to chime in -- some students here at UNC Chapel Hill are working on a browser-based link planning tool as a semester project. It will be released as open-source at the end of the semester, so we'd like it to be useful not only for our projects but for the community at large. While primarily geared towards community wireless projects, it'd be great if it could be useful for the professional WISP community. So, if you have any feedback on what features you'd like to see in such a tool, lessons you all have learned that should be incorporated into its design, or the concept generally, please contact me. To the OP, check back in December and we might have something to offer you! Shaddi On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google Earth. Sucks. Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the easy thumbs up or thumbs down? Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd rather be told what's good by real users. Thanks. Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS
http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3 Street price is less than $100 I believe. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS Anyone knows of a remote switch unit with a UPS, about 500 watt would be adequate? Plenty of stand alone units but merged would be nice. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS
Unfortunately they do not. APC all but denies the existence of the HS-500 offering little to no support for the product. I assume because of its low price and remote power switch ability can be viewed by some within APC as a threat to more expensive APC products. We've had several of the HS-500 deployed for a few years now and have had good luck with them. It would be great if someone came up with a way to flash them with a more powerful/configurable software setup like some have been able to do with Linksys routers. It would be a terrific product if it had SNMP and an Auto-Ping feature! We do monitor these via our MikroTik routers using the included USB cable. The only way to actually power cycle its outlets is via the web interface. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:34 PM To: wireless Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS Where looking at these a while back for some of our smaller sites. Do they support full SNMP? -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] Sent: 28 September 2009 19:12 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3 Street price is less than $100 I believe. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS Anyone knows of a remote switch unit with a UPS, about 500 watt would be adequate? Plenty of stand alone units but merged would be nice. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS
Ha...Agreed. In our application the MikroTik router is next to the UPS as our Demarc point facing the client and a Trango radio or similar is outside. So, they work ok in that setup. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:42 PM To: wireless Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS That's a shame. Not really practical to run a USB cable if all kit on site is 40ft in the air ;) -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] Sent: 28 September 2009 19:48 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS Unfortunately they do not. APC all but denies the existence of the HS-500 offering little to no support for the product. I assume because of its low price and remote power switch ability can be viewed by some within APC as a threat to more expensive APC products. We've had several of the HS-500 deployed for a few years now and have had good luck with them. It would be great if someone came up with a way to flash them with a more powerful/configurable software setup like some have been able to do with Linksys routers. It would be a terrific product if it had SNMP and an Auto-Ping feature! We do monitor these via our MikroTik routers using the included USB cable. The only way to actually power cycle its outlets is via the web interface. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:34 PM To: wireless Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS Where looking at these a while back for some of our smaller sites. Do they support full SNMP? -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] Sent: 28 September 2009 19:12 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3 Street price is less than $100 I believe. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS Anyone knows of a remote switch unit with a UPS, about 500 watt would be adequate? Plenty of stand alone units but merged would be nice. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt
You mention send traffic, but do you mean receive traffic? Or both? To influence your outbound traffic (send) you can simply add a filter rule that sets a higher cost to the path you do not wish to prefer. To influence your inbound traffic (receive) you can only try and influence how traffic comes to you via pre-pending your ASN or by announcing more specific routes out the path you prefer to use. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt Ya, its kind of hard to know what you want to do. You can setup costs so that one provider is cheaper than the other, prepends for inbound etc. I would have to take a look really to go, here is the best way. .. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sales Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt Awesome but that wasn't much help lol. John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Plenty of ways :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sales Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bgp and mt We have two bgp sessions with different providers using the same interface. One provider is metered the other is flat rate. However we seem to send 80% of traffic to the metered provider. Is there a way to tell a mt router using bgp which path you prefer it to use ? I would like to make our flat rate primary choice with the metered secondary. Thanks John --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
Hear, hear Mike! Well said! Are you running for office? A vote against nearly ANY congressional incumbent in 2010 is a vote for REAL change! I'll add that many of the applications we've seen are from those that have watched their Angel Funding risk venture capital sources dry up with the poor economy and their poorer performance. They have no choice but to hold their hands out for anything that might drop into them. Many of them certainly haven't figured out how to build a company and generate profits organically! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Mike took the words right out of my mouth. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Whatever happened to the American work ethic? What ever happened to the American way of working towards the future? Both have been replaced by a want-it-now instant gratification mentality. Traditionally, a small business could become a big business by grit, determination, and hard work. It is wrong that we have become such an entitlement ready nation; if the government pays me I'll do it. I also further the idea that release of public spectrum in the UHF bands would be a great shot in the arm towards the goal of ubiquitous broadband. Cheaper than a stimulus package too. Both the government and American business have become fond of short term returns at the expense of long term gain and stability. Just how much of this stimulus money will have found its way to bringing ubiquitous broadband to the masses? I don't think it is going to solve the problem, or guarantee long term stability. Giveaways have always been fraught with fraud, cronyism and fat. While not actually a dance with the devil, submission to governmental scrutiny for the sake of subsidized expansion of your business is, in my opinion, short sighted. My ideals are more in line with wisdom handed down through the ages: The government is best which governs least. Mike At 11:42 AM 10/8/2009, you wrote: Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. I want to understand people's opposition to the Broadband Stimulus programs. Rick and other people opposed to the stimulus, can you expand on why you don't believe in the Stimulus and why you didn't apply? Are there things you think the government - FCC, congress, etc. - could do to help ISPs and expanding broadband? Tim --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet
Hey Rick! I've been trying to get in touch with you for the past several days on the status of that order placed and paid for April 26th. Can you give me an update? Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Yeah, and look out if you're on the same electrical circuit as Where the maid plugs in the vacuum. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Whigham Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Brian R. I agree with the other two posts by Jack and JohnnyO. They are nifty devices. I use the FD4070 Belkins (think that's the model). But, I don't really think using these in commercial applications is a good idea. I have had problems with having to reset both devices (primarily on the uplink end). If you're not there to reset (unplug/plug) them, it is a huge pain. Saves $ but makes you look bad. Plus, the links are generally only a meg or two with marginal links (maybe less). I tried to use them at home, to share internet with my neighbor, and had issues about once a week, requiring a reset. I'm in a tri-plex and there is one unit between us. Link quality depended on what jack I used. The best link was about 3.5Mbps (per the SNMP tool). You probably can do more with the unused wire you mentioned. But, how much irritation/distrust will it incur when you have to walk the customer through these issues over the phone. Good thing is, it's easy to explain how to unplug and plug the device in over the phone. :-) Still, they're best as cheap solutions for homes and tight-fisted lawyers. Luck, Brian W Brian Rohrbacher wrote: There is disconnected wire in the ground between the buildings that I could wire up however I need, but not if they only go 300 feet. Jack Unger wrote: Brian, I haven't used Netgear but I used another brand (can't recall which one) about 6 months ago and they were good for about 300 ft. Of course, you have to be on the same electrical circuit. Dunno if your two buildings are on the same side of the same electrical box or not. Good luck, jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building on the property. Distance is 6-700 feet. I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices. Any thoughts? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet
Gotcha! No problem. Just sent you a reply off list. Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Yeah sorry, been busy...i'll hit ya offlist. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Hey Rick! I've been trying to get in touch with you for the past several days on the status of that order placed and paid for April 26th. Can you give me an update? Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Yeah, and look out if you're on the same electrical circuit as Where the maid plugs in the vacuum. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Whigham Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netgear Wall Plugged Ethernet Brian R. I agree with the other two posts by Jack and JohnnyO. They are nifty devices. I use the FD4070 Belkins (think that's the model). But, I don't really think using these in commercial applications is a good idea. I have had problems with having to reset both devices (primarily on the uplink end). If you're not there to reset (unplug/plug) them, it is a huge pain. Saves $ but makes you look bad. Plus, the links are generally only a meg or two with marginal links (maybe less). I tried to use them at home, to share internet with my neighbor, and had issues about once a week, requiring a reset. I'm in a tri-plex and there is one unit between us. Link quality depended on what jack I used. The best link was about 3.5Mbps (per the SNMP tool). You probably can do more with the unused wire you mentioned. But, how much irritation/distrust will it incur when you have to walk the customer through these issues over the phone. Good thing is, it's easy to explain how to unplug and plug the device in over the phone. :-) Still, they're best as cheap solutions for homes and tight-fisted lawyers. Luck, Brian W Brian Rohrbacher wrote: There is disconnected wire in the ground between the buildings that I could wire up however I need, but not if they only go 300 feet. Jack Unger wrote: Brian, I haven't used Netgear but I used another brand (can't recall which one) about 6 months ago and they were good for about 300 ft. Of course, you have to be on the same electrical circuit. Dunno if your two buildings are on the same side of the same electrical box or not. Good luck, jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE104.php http://www.netgear.com/products/details/XE102.php http://www.netgear.com/media/powerline.wmv I just did a wireless install and need to hook up another building on the property. Distance is 6-700 feet. I can't find a distance spec on these netgear bpl devices. Any thoughts? Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] soho router to replace wrt54g?
I typically just delete a post before scrolling all the way to the bottom. Inevitably the bottom poster is just one of those me too or thanks replies. It is rarely worth the effort and not worth the wear tear on the 'ol mouse wheel to read bottom posts! lol Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] soho router to replace wrt54g? Because it disrupts the natural flow of conversation. Why is top-posting bad? David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment
So, 3650MHz isn't going to fall under Part90 rules? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment Comments inline. Even given the 5% of WISP operators who intentionally run too much power, I don't feel their lawlessness is as serious as someone who receives a experimental license under false pretenses and then unlawfully profits from their lawbreaking. Considering the band with be a part-15 band, I don't see why its Nearly as a big deal as someone taking a band that would have been Auctioned off for thousands upon thousands of dollars. By the way, which company has twenty-eight 3.6 GHz special temporary authorizations (STAs)in 14 markets and is allegedly selling commercial service to 2000 subscribers? I can't say due to non disclosure agreements. The funny thing about them Is they got the STA's and have yet to really use them, so all the money They spent on lawyers obtaining the STA's is going to waste anyways. jack jeffrey thomas wrote: Jack, The same would probably apply to the hundreds of WISP's who operate systems that break the part-15 rules regarding power output. While it is illegal, I currently am unaware of any operators who have recieved fines or anything of the sort for such behavior but it happens. Do I encourage this? no, but as Steve Stroh once told me, The FCC generally turns a blind eye until someone complains. - Jeff On Tue, 23 May 2006 15:56:03 -0700, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Jeffrey, I have to question the judgement ability (or the lack of it) of anyone who abuses the FCC rules to the extent of taking a licensed experimental system and using it for a commercial, revenue-generating purpose. Someone who would do this is (IMHO): 1. Someone with no business sense 2. Someone with no appreciation of (or experience with) the enforcement powers of the FCC 3. Someone who will likely turn out to be their own worst enemy 4. NOT someone who I could rely upon to provide me reliable, long-term WISP service. jack jeffrey thomas wrote: Patrick, It doesnt change the fact that many have launched limited deployments as a test but still charged for the access service, banking on the fact that the FCC has set the band aside for unlicensed anyways, and that the chance of the FCC cracking down on them is very low. Im not saying this is right, but reality is such that they will be evenutally amending the rules and the gear according to my sources that is available today will be compliant. *shrug* - Jeff On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:37:11 -0700, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Exactly, it clearly shows that an operator today CANNOT launch any commercial services using 3650MHz. - Patrick -Original Message- From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:40 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment Read below and you can decide on whether or not you will be breaking the law w/ a 3650 deployment --- To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Cc: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:32 AM Subject: [equipment-l] Experimental Licensing in the 3650 MHz Band - Clarifications Recently, there have been some misleading advertisements promising turn-key 3.65 GHz licensing services as a means of avoiding interference in congested license-exempt ISM/UNII bands. Although the FCC issued adopted rules back in March 2005 to open access to new spectrum for wireless broadband in the 3.65 GHz band, a minor contention-based requirement has delayed the deployment of wireless broadband services in this band as equipment manufacturers currently work behind the scenes to iron out the details. As things currently stand, deploying a 3.65 GHz system today falls under Subpart 5: Experimental Radio Service of the FCC Rules. Infrastructure Investment Experimentation under Part 5 needs to be done strictly from a curiosity perspective rather than one of commercial network expansion. Part 5 permits experimentation in scientific or technical operations directly related to the use of radio waves. The rules provide the opportunity to experiment with new techniques or new services prior to submitting proposals to the FCC to change its rules. Some useful excerpts regarding Experimental Licensing 47CFR5.3: Scope of Service Stations operating in the Experimental Radio Service will be permitted to conduct the following type of operations: (a)Experimentations in scientific or technical radio research (b) Experimentations under contractual agreement with the United States Government, or for export purposes. (c)Communications essential to a research project. (d)
RE: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
No, not really. Our average RMC is similar to CBeyond, but the big difference is how much we keep of that RMC as it compares to CBeyond. CBeyond is still pumping dollars into their direct competitor (MaBell) and operators like us that own their own network do not. I know of ISPs like us all over the country that have similar RMC rates and have been very successful. We don't even consider deploying a radio for less than $200.00 RMC and that will typically require a setup fee that covers 90% of our upfront costs. Majority of the time we require a T1 commitment at $329.95 RMC before deploying. Like I've always said Patrick, the fewer radios we have in the air the better! lol This is not to knock the sub $100 RMC market. Clearly that is a model that has also been a proven winner when applied properly. We work closely with a dozen or more wISPs all of which have proven business models and all are successful. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:15 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] This is HUGE! I stand corrected, fair enough Matt, but wow. That's pretty rich monthly rates and an especially rich ARPU. Patrick -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 3:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE! Again, pointing to CBeyonds numbers it is clear that their average customer is not buying big TDM pipes or fiber-based services. Their starting package is $495 per month, which is just a single T1, while their next package up --which is priced higher than their ARPU-- is $895, which is just two T1s. That's 17,000 high ARPU customers delivering services that technologically are easy for WISPs. There are operators on this list that will sell a customer 3 megs or more of service for less than $495 per month. I'm not saying there isn't a market for low ARPU customers, but the scale required to make any real money seems like quite a challenge. -Matt Patrick Leary wrote: Any operator with some decent residential mix would be drooling to have a $100 ARPU Matt. No matter what technology is being used, that makes for an excellent ROI. Those CLECs you mention are also likely providing fiber and big TDM pipes as a primary focus. Patrick Leary AVP Marketing Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 2:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE! Not sure why the number of customers is even important when the quality of customers can vary so wildly. I run into WISPs regularly whose ARPU is barely above $100. At 1000 customers an ARPU of $100 is only $1.2M per year. That's a lot of radios and a lot of customers for very little revenue. Compare this to CBeyond, which is an Atlanta-based CLEC that in recent time went public. Today they have about 17,000 customers, but their ARPU is $761. With just 1000 customers, an ARPU of $761 would be worth $9.1M. Or to look at it a different way, with 17,000 customers an ARPU of $100 would only be $20.4M compared with the $155.2M they pull in now. A WISP would be wise to raise their ARPU as opposed to the number of customers. -Matt Charles Wu wrote: 30% of what number Charles? At the last show, 500+ attended representing about 350ish operators Of these, about 40% responded Unfortunately, we have a confidentiality agreement with our survey respondents, so I cannot list names How many WISPs said they have over 1,000 CPE. I can only think of about 20 with that high a number. A recent Tim Saunders article in BBW World alone that showed about 40+ Wireless Network Operators w/ 1,000+ CPE (and there are a lot more that Tim missed) Keep in mind, the majority of these operators no longer actively participate in these list-servs, most of em are busy out in the field installing customers / running their businesses =) Did you know that in Sedona, AZ alone (middle of no-where in Northern AZ mountains), w/ a total population of ~15k, there are 2 Operators w/ 1,000+ CPE? (and there's also cable and DSL competition in town too) Even at the end of my equipment distribution days (late 2004), I had at least 50 customers whom I'd been working with over the years who had purchased over 1,000 CPE from me...I know for sure that most of these guys are still operating and in business If you think about it, 1,000 isn't all that much -- take a look at the numbers If you've been a WISP since 2001, and you've been steadily buying CPE / installing 20 net new customers (minus churn, etc) / month (~ 1 install / working day / month), in over 5 years time (e.g., today in 2006), you'd have 1,200 customers Nowadays, w/ $150-$200 turn-key WISP CPE pricing (Motorola, Tranzeo,
RE: [WISPA] looking for a device
MikroTik supports this, correct? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] looking for a device It is also referred as 802.1q tagging... If it supports multiple layers, you can have a customer VLAN tags within your network VLAN tags. Just need your equipment that takes off your tags before it gets to the customer. ATT uses the Cisco 3750 switches to do it at the customer's premises. Then the customer can have VLAN 10 at one location and VLAN 10 at another, and it is completely transparent to the end user. If that made sense. Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:34 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] looking for a device Google (or Cisco) is your friend http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps5207/products_feature_ guid e09186a00801f0f4a.html -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device Can you or someone explain what double VLAN is? I have never heard of such a thing. How can it be used to help us? Thanks, Scriv Yo may want to look at Alvarion. Alvarion does support VLAN. new Firmware4 supports double VLAN also. Alvarion used to have one model that was designed to have a second integrated radio into it. I can't remember if it was a 900/2.4 combo, or a 5.8/2.4 combo. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] High Gain 2.4ghz Grid
Title: Message No kiddingask him what he gets out of his 38GHz links. Bastard Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:39 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] High Gain 2.4ghz Grid You always amaze me Travis. Are you using Mountain Tops ? JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 4:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Gain 2.4ghz Grid We are doing 30+ mile shots with 24db grids into 9db omni's. Travis Microserv JohnnyO wrote: Looking for something with higher gain then 24dBi for a 12mile shot that we have to do with 2.4ghz. It's Near LOS and we're seeing -82 but the tree tops are killing us on packet loss. We currently have a 19dBi tranzeo CPE200 connecting to a 9dBi Omni. I don't want to amp this shot so that is out of the question. JohnnyO __ NOD32 1.1646 (20060706) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Help Needed PtP Links
Hello Patrick, Were the 62 80Mbps results using a 20MHz channel or a 40MHz channel? Regardless those are nice numbers. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Help Needed PtP Links Jory (et al), Take a look at our new B100, an addition to popular B14 and B28 BreezeNET backhaul/bridging line. Lots of people here can give you feedback on the B14 B28. Feedback from the field on the B100 has provided some really strong results: 62 Mbps sustained NET throughput at 16 miles 80 Mbps sustained NET throughput at 1 mile It is a very simple product to install and is highly integrated. The B100 comes with external antenna ports. List price is less than $8K (many here can chime in with expected discounts to give you an expectation of street price. Patrick Leary AVP Marketing Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 -Original Message- From: Jory Privett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:57 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Help Needed PtP Links I am starting to do some upgrades to my network and need some new Point to Point links. I currently use an Orthogon Gemini Lite for a long link that I have. These new links are shorter with good LOS. I want the reliability of the Orthogon without the large price tag. These links will be about 15 Miles and I need a actual throughput of about 10M I have been looking at the SR5 radio from Mikrotik. Will the SR5 be able to do this reliably? I want some real world info here and not just marketing hype. Does anyone have links like this with the SR5? What antenna are you using? How is the performance? Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(191). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
