RE: [WISPA] VOIP solution ?

[G.Villarini]

Like in pbxcentral.com ?

 



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?



 

Pbx central

 



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List,

 

I got a Customer with 70 locations(retail chain) that what to
implement a private VOIP system to their main office PBX, basically they want
to create virtual extensions of their Main Office PBX.  We have tested
Asterisk in house and other low end solutions like the Sipura adapters for
other projects, but we really need a tested solution for this project.
 Already got Cisco and 3com quoted, any other I should look at ?

 

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[WISPA] VOIP solution ?

[G.Villarini]

List,

 

I got a Customer with 70 locations(retail chain) that what
to implement a private VOIP system to their main office PBX, basically they want
to create virtual extensions of their Main Office PBX.  We have tested Asterisk
in house and other low end solutions like the Sipura adapters for other
projects, but we really need a tested solution for this project.  Already got
Cisco and 3com quoted, any other I should look at ?

 

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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

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[WISPA] Trango Atlas Probe on Wispermapper

[G.Villarini]

Anyone has a probe ?

 

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RE: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up

[G.Villarini]

I need to chime in…. it seems Airaya
is using common AP PCBs with their own firmware, but I doubt that Firmware truly
breaks 11a protocol.  I have yet to see a regular 11a or 11b PCB that has
custom firmware that breaks the 11a PHY MAC.  I do have seem custom PCB
like the Trango, WaveIP and Alvarion, that they use 11a chips but they
implement their own PHY MAC… but that’s on custom PCB with 11a RF
chips only.

 

I doubt that Airaya can modify 11a PHY MAC
on a off the shelf PCB….

 

Anyone with more info? Input ?

 



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Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: Solectek
Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up



 



Thanks for the list.  I've passed it on to Mike at
Airaya for comment.





 





One of MY big selling points on the Airaya gear is that it's
NOT 802.11a like the others (Tranzeo,
 MT, StarOS, etc.) that you're
likely thinking of.  





 





It uses the 802.11a CHIP to keep costs down but they've put
their own firmware on the radio.  I'm running these units in a rotten
environment and they work better than my Trango distribution system at the same
tower sites.  Fewer ping losses, higher speeds etc.





 





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From: Matt Glaves 





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Sent: Tuesday, March 28,
2006 2:10 PM





Subject: RE: [WISPA] RE:
Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up





 



I’m not stuck in the 1950s. 
I’m not looking for vacuum tubes and 100lb power supplies to justify my
purchases.  I could go to a number of other vendors and get the same
802.11a setup for $700 or less.  The pictures speak volumes and it seems a
fair number of the subscribers on this list got a lot of information on the
product from the pictures alone.  Others asked for my list and I sent
it.  I don’t need Airaya suing me, so I’ll let their hardware
do the talking.  I know for a fact I have cost them a number of future
sales based the responses I’m receiving from other members who were
considering their product for future deployments.

 

I sent you the same list of 15 or so items
so you can make your own call.  Here is one that I really love:

 

https://secure.airaya.com/proddetail.asp?prod=AI108-4958-O-050

http://www.connectronics.com/airaya/index.html

http://shop.wirelessguys.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.346/it.A/id.2395/.f

 

Notice where it says AES encryption? 
It’s listed on every PDF and vendor page I have seen for the unit. 
It was a deciding factor in my selection of this unit.  It will be a
really great feature when it is actually implemented.  You get WEP for
now.  Would have been nice if there was an asterisk there telling you
“AES Support Coming in Quarter 3 2006”.

 

Matt

 

 

 









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Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: Solectek
Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up



 



Times are changing.  If you want devices with lots of
chips and blinky lights you'll have to pay extra.  Everything it done at
the board level these days.  And everyone is using the same basic chip set
these days.  Airaya writes their own mac level firmware for them.





 





I have 4 links.  2 of the original version (prior to
what you've got there) give me a little bit of trouble on a tough link (fresnel
zone).  The new radios haven't skipped a beat though.





 





I love my Airaya radios.  They've been a great value.





 





I'm curious, you've not said why you don't like them. 
Is there something about the performance?  Software?  Setup? 
Gotta be something other than what's in those pics.





 





laters,





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- Original Message - 





From: Matt Glaves 





To: wireless@wispa.org






Sent: Monday, March 27,
2006 7:46 PM





Subject: [WISPA] RE:
Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up





 



Hey Folks,

 

Last month I posted to the list asking
about low cost 5Ghz bridges and a few folks responded that I should check out
Airaya.  I decided to give them a try based on some really excellent
discounts from one of our vendors.  In short, I hate them J  If you’re
interested in why

RE: Re[2]: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up

[G.Villarini]

No picat5 ;-( got any ?

Gino A. Villarini, 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Barry at Mutual Data
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re[2]: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up

Hello G.Villarini,

They used to be Accton pcb assemblies. Radiolan is similar( same?)
equipment.

Find any PICAT5's yet? Funny how they all disappeared.


Barry

Tuesday, March 28, 2006, 4:59:58 AM, you wrote:

GV> Looks like a dlink or netgear 5ghz ap... the tranzeos would be
similar

GV> Gino A. Villarini, 
GV> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
GV> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GV> www.aeronetpr.com
GV> 787.273.4143


GV> -Original Message-
GV> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GV> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
GV> Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC
GV> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:49 AM
GV> To: WISPA General List
GV> Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up

GV> That's an Atheros chipset on the PCB but what type of
GV> PCB is it? The model # in the pics looks like 8WAPD15_5A1
GV> but Google.com doesn't turn anything up on it. Looks like a
GV> homebrew solution IMO.

GV> -Shannon


GV> - Original Message - 
GV> From: "Matt Glaves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
GV> To: 
GV> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:46 PM
GV> Subject: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up


GV> Hey Folks,

 

GV> Last month I posted to the list asking about low cost 5Ghz bridges and a
GV> few folks responded that I should check out Airaya.  I decided to give
GV> them a try based on some really excellent discounts from one of our
GV> vendors.  In short, I hate them :-)  If you're interested in why, feel
GV> free to hit me off list..

 

GV> We bought two complete links and before installing the first one I
GV> cracked it open and took a picture of its high tech innards to share
GV> with this list.  I hope this helps those looking at sub $3k PTP bridges.


 

GV> http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0714.JPG

GV> http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0712.JPG

 

GV> thanks,

GV> matt

 

 

 

 

GV>   _  

GV> From: Matt Glaves 
GV> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:50 PM
GV> To: 'wireless@wispa.org'
GV> Subject: Solectek Skyway 7000

 

GV> I have never used the Solectek equipment and am looking at either trying
GV> their Skyway 7101 or the Trango Atlas for some short building to
GV> building links.  I have seen enough favorable posts about the Atlas to
GV> know plenty of you are using it successfully - although I sure wish I
GV> could get one of their sales folks to return a phone call.  Leave a
GV> message about buying 250 CPEs and no one calls back  Anyway :-)

 

GV> I would like to get opinions on the Skyway 7000.  This would be for very
GV> short <.5 mile links between buildings.  We would normally use
GV> Terabeam/Proxim systems but are looking for alternatives with similar
GV> capabilities and 20-40% lower cost.  Any info/opinions on reliability
GV> and real world throughput would be great.

 

GV> Thanks,

GV> Matt

 




GV>

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RE: Re[2]: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up

[G.Villarini]

Radiolanwow...you threw me back like 5 years...when Raylink and
Breezecom where the FHSS kings against the DSSS Empire of Lucent and
Samsung/YDI/TELEtronics stuff

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Barry at Mutual Data
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re[2]: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up

Hello G.Villarini,

They used to be Accton pcb assemblies. Radiolan is similar( same?)
equipment.

Find any PICAT5's yet? Funny how they all disappeared.


Barry

Tuesday, March 28, 2006, 4:59:58 AM, you wrote:

GV> Looks like a dlink or netgear 5ghz ap... the tranzeos would be
similar

GV> Gino A. Villarini, 
GV> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
GV> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GV> www.aeronetpr.com
GV> 787.273.4143


GV> -Original Message-
GV> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GV> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
GV> Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC
GV> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:49 AM
GV> To: WISPA General List
GV> Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up

GV> That's an Atheros chipset on the PCB but what type of
GV> PCB is it? The model # in the pics looks like 8WAPD15_5A1
GV> but Google.com doesn't turn anything up on it. Looks like a
GV> homebrew solution IMO.

GV> -Shannon


GV> - Original Message - 
GV> From: "Matt Glaves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
GV> To: 
GV> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:46 PM
GV> Subject: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up


GV> Hey Folks,

 

GV> Last month I posted to the list asking about low cost 5Ghz bridges and a
GV> few folks responded that I should check out Airaya.  I decided to give
GV> them a try based on some really excellent discounts from one of our
GV> vendors.  In short, I hate them :-)  If you're interested in why, feel
GV> free to hit me off list..

 

GV> We bought two complete links and before installing the first one I
GV> cracked it open and took a picture of its high tech innards to share
GV> with this list.  I hope this helps those looking at sub $3k PTP bridges.


 

GV> http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0714.JPG

GV> http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0712.JPG

 

GV> thanks,

GV> matt

 

 

 

 

GV>   _  

GV> From: Matt Glaves 
GV> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:50 PM
GV> To: 'wireless@wispa.org'
GV> Subject: Solectek Skyway 7000

 

GV> I have never used the Solectek equipment and am looking at either trying
GV> their Skyway 7101 or the Trango Atlas for some short building to
GV> building links.  I have seen enough favorable posts about the Atlas to
GV> know plenty of you are using it successfully - although I sure wish I
GV> could get one of their sales folks to return a phone call.  Leave a
GV> message about buying 250 CPEs and no one calls back  Anyway :-)

 

GV> I would like to get opinions on the Skyway 7000.  This would be for very
GV> short <.5 mile links between buildings.  We would normally use
GV> Terabeam/Proxim systems but are looking for alternatives with similar
GV> capabilities and 20-40% lower cost.  Any info/opinions on reliability
GV> and real world throughput would be great.

 

GV> Thanks,

GV> Matt

 




GV>

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RE: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up

[G.Villarini]

I just think paying what the Airaya cost
is not worth what it really is, where a Tranzeo or similar based 802.11a gear
can be had cheaper

 



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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509)
982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006
12:38 PM
To: WISPA
 General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: Solectek
Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up



 



Times are changing.  If you want devices with lots of
chips and blinky lights you'll have to pay extra.  Everything it done at
the board level these days.  And everyone is using the same basic chip set
these days.  Airaya writes their own mac level firmware for them.





 





I have 4 links.  2 of the original version (prior to
what you've got there) give me a little bit of trouble on a tough link (fresnel
zone).  The new radios haven't skipped a beat though.





 





I love my Airaya radios.  They've been a great value.





 





I'm curious, you've not said why you don't like them. 
Is there something about the performance?  Software?  Setup? 
Gotta be something other than what's in those pics.





 





laters,





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982-2181  
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- Original Message - 





From: Matt Glaves 





To: wireless@wispa.org






Sent: Monday, March 27,
2006 7:46 PM





Subject: [WISPA] RE:
Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up





 



Hey Folks,

 

Last month I posted to the list asking
about low cost 5Ghz bridges and a few folks responded that I should check out
Airaya.  I decided to give them a try based on some really excellent
discounts from one of our vendors.  In short, I hate them J  If you’re
interested in why, feel free to hit me off list..

 

We bought two complete links and before
installing the first one I cracked it open and took a picture of its high tech
innards to share with this list.  I hope this helps those looking at sub
$3k PTP bridges.  

 

http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0714.JPG

http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0712.JPG

 

thanks,

matt

 

 

 

 









From: Matt Glaves 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006
9:50 PM
To: 'wireless@wispa.org'
Subject: Solectek Skyway 7000



 

I have never used the Solectek equipment and am looking at
either trying their Skyway 7101 or the Trango Atlas for some short building to
building links.  I have seen enough favorable posts about the Atlas to
know plenty of you are using it successfully – although I sure wish I
could get one of their sales folks to return a phone call.  Leave a
message about buying 250 CPEs and no one calls back  Anyway J

 

I would like to get opinions on the Skyway 7000.  This
would be for very short <.5 mile links between buildings.  We would
normally use Terabeam/Proxim systems but are looking for alternatives with
similar capabilities and 20-40% lower cost.  Any info/opinions on
reliability and real world throughput would be great.

 

Thanks,

Matt

 







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RE: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up

[G.Villarini]

The only diff is that tranzeo are way less expensive so... it isn't that bad

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up

Yes, the Tranzeos are very similar on the inside.  I can post / send pics if

anyone is interested.  Had a tower go down that demolished a TR-5a and a 
TR-6000.

- Original Message - 
From: "G.Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 3:59 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up


> Looks like a dlink or netgear 5ghz ap... the tranzeos would be similar
>
> Gino A. Villarini,
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.aeronetpr.com
> 787.273.4143
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:49 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up
>
> That's an Atheros chipset on the PCB but what type of
> PCB is it? The model # in the pics looks like 8WAPD15_5A1
> but Google.com doesn't turn anything up on it. Looks like a
> homebrew solution IMO.
>
> -Shannon
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Matt Glaves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:46 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up
>
>
> Hey Folks,
>
>
>
> Last month I posted to the list asking about low cost 5Ghz bridges and a
> few folks responded that I should check out Airaya.  I decided to give
> them a try based on some really excellent discounts from one of our
> vendors.  In short, I hate them :-)  If you're interested in why, feel
> free to hit me off list..
>
>
>
> We bought two complete links and before installing the first one I
> cracked it open and took a picture of its high tech innards to share
> with this list.  I hope this helps those looking at sub $3k PTP bridges.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0714.JPG
>
> http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0712.JPG
>
>
>
> thanks,
>
> matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  _
>
> From: Matt Glaves
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:50 PM
> To: 'wireless@wispa.org'
> Subject: Solectek Skyway 7000
>
>
>
> I have never used the Solectek equipment and am looking at either trying
> their Skyway 7101 or the Trango Atlas for some short building to
> building links.  I have seen enough favorable posts about the Atlas to
> know plenty of you are using it successfully - although I sure wish I
> could get one of their sales folks to return a phone call.  Leave a
> message about buying 250 CPEs and no one calls back  Anyway :-)
>
>
>
> I would like to get opinions on the Skyway 7000.  This would be for very
> short <.5 mile links between buildings.  We would normally use
> Terabeam/Proxim systems but are looking for alternatives with similar
> capabilities and 20-40% lower cost.  Any info/opinions on reliability
> and real world throughput would be great.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> 
>
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RE: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up

[G.Villarini]

Looks like a dlink or netgear 5ghz ap... the tranzeos would be similar

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up

That's an Atheros chipset on the PCB but what type of
PCB is it? The model # in the pics looks like 8WAPD15_5A1
but Google.com doesn't turn anything up on it. Looks like a
homebrew solution IMO.

-Shannon


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From: "Matt Glaves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:46 PM
Subject: [WISPA] RE: Solectek Skyway 7000 -- Follow Up


Hey Folks,

 

Last month I posted to the list asking about low cost 5Ghz bridges and a
few folks responded that I should check out Airaya.  I decided to give
them a try based on some really excellent discounts from one of our
vendors.  In short, I hate them :-)  If you're interested in why, feel
free to hit me off list..

 

We bought two complete links and before installing the first one I
cracked it open and took a picture of its high tech innards to share
with this list.  I hope this helps those looking at sub $3k PTP bridges.


 

http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0714.JPG

http://www.pinn.net/~glaves/DSCN0712.JPG

 

thanks,

matt

 

 

 

 

  _  

From: Matt Glaves 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:50 PM
To: 'wireless@wispa.org'
Subject: Solectek Skyway 7000

 

I have never used the Solectek equipment and am looking at either trying
their Skyway 7101 or the Trango Atlas for some short building to
building links.  I have seen enough favorable posts about the Atlas to
know plenty of you are using it successfully - although I sure wish I
could get one of their sales folks to return a phone call.  Leave a
message about buying 250 CPEs and no one calls back  Anyway :-)

 

I would like to get opinions on the Skyway 7000.  This would be for very
short <.5 mile links between buildings.  We would normally use
Terabeam/Proxim systems but are looking for alternatives with similar
capabilities and 20-40% lower cost.  Any info/opinions on reliability
and real world throughput would be great.

 

Thanks,

Matt

 








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[WISPA] WTB: Breezecom Pi-Cat-5

[G.Villarini]

Looking to buy Breezecom Pi-Cat-5 regulated POE, looking for
the dual regulated outputs that are switchables between 5,9 and 12 vdc

 

Offlist with pricing

 

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RE: [WISPA] Muni wireless

[G.Villarini]

John, this mesh will be for wireless interface only or would it apply to the
Ethernet interface too? Also, it will be a routing mesh or a bridge mesh?

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Behalf Of John Tully
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni wireless

Hello John,

MikroTik is currently developing the biggest feature of mesh -- easy to 
install systems (no configuration required) that have a radio (or more) for 
local and a radio (or more) for backbone.  This will enable WISP to compete 
better with the expensive Strix and other MESH systems.  You will hear more 
about this at the MikroTik user meeting in Dallas - mum.mikrotik.com .

John
www.mikrotik.com

At 06:16 PM 3/22/2006, you wrote:
>Munis are just your hometown wanting service just like residents, business 
>and education. As soon as we learn this we will all benefit from it 
>greatly. Public safety specifically is the killer application of muni 
>broadband in my opinion. If we all learn how to sell this to our towns and 
>service it correctly we will inevitably win in the end. Backhaul to munis 
>who decide to go it alone is also an option. I would bet most if not all 
>of them would pay for a service agreement on their networks also. Maybe 
>they will pay you to build their network for them?
>Scriv
>
>
>Matt Liotta wrote:
>
>>I personally don't much care for Muni wireless as I would rather the 
>>government stay out of the ISP business. With that being said, Rome, GA 
>>announced that GTS had won the the contract to install a wireless system 
>>for the city. See http://muniwireless.com/municipal/bids/1102/ for 
>>details on the announcement.
>>
>>What I thought the list might find interesting is that we (AirInfinite, 
>>now One Ring Networks) were included in GTS's bid and will now be 
>>providing backhaul for the wireless network. I believe this is an 
>>interesting approach for WISPs to take when dealing with munis that have 
>>an interest in wireless.
>>
>>-Matt
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RE: [WISPA] Stupid Trango question ?

[G.Villarini]

Mike,

I'll assume you wouldn't mind a thread like stupid Motorola? jeje

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Behalf Of Mike Inverso
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:24 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Stupid Trango question ?

Hello All:

I have renamed this post as 'Stupid Trango Question" rather than "Stupid
Trango".  I'm sure you can guess why.  And, there are no stupid
questions.

Victoria, if you are referring to the M5800S-SU-EXT or the
M5830S-SU-EXT, neither can be used as a stand alone unit.  There is not
an internal antenna in either unit, so you must use some type of
external antenna.  

Best regards,
Michael Inverso
Sales Manager, US South Region
Trango Broadband Wireless
 

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That really depends on which one you have.  The old one's, no, the new
ones, yes.

Marlon
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Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 4:52 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Stupid Trango ?


> Can an EXT be used as a cpe only, without the dish?
>
> Victoria Proffer
> www.StLouisBroadBand.com
> 314-974-5600
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[WISPA] looking for 38 ghz antennas

[G.Villarini]

Need a pair of 2’ 38 ghz antennas, DMC slip fit

 

thanks

 

Gino A. Villarini, 

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RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options

[G.Villarini]

Technical guy  I think Anton is more of a Rocket Scientist ... jeje

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Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:56 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options

We are running FreeBSD boxes w/ Gigabit Ethernet NICs
I don't know all the details, since I'm not the technical guy running the
tests, but I believe we are using "standard" 1500-byte packets w/ standard
MTUs, etc

On a 100 Mb FastE link (benchmark) we get the following

1 Way TCP Max: 94.0 Mbps
2 Way BiDirectional TCP Max: 92.7 / 92.4 Mbps

On a GiGE link, due to Linux kernal processing issues, we max out at about
400 Mbps of "raw" TCP throughput

-Charles



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Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options


Charles Wu wrote:

> In an attenuated lab setup, running TCP (w/ Iperf), we see the
> following results with the Spectra @ the 300 Mbps data rate
>
>  
>
> 1 Way TCP Max: 143 Mbps
>
> 2 Way BiDirectional TCP Max: 98.1 / 105 Mbps
>
>
What TCP settings did you use to achieve the above?

-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options

[G.Villarini]

Yeah, I got tha info too, they were going to "shake down" the licensed
market... got info that it would be before next year.  Maybe q3 /q4

Gino A. Villarini, 
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options

A Trango sales person mentioned to me that they were thinking about 
offering a licensed product. If the price is like the rest of their 
products that could change things quite a bit.

-Matt

G.Villarini wrote:

>Charles,
>
>Ill chime in here cause you can get a Spectra for $15 to $16k wheras a
>Licensed link goes from $20k and up...
>
>Gino A. Villarini, 
>Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>www.aeronetpr.com
>787.273.4143
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Charles Wu
>Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:46 PM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options
>
>  
>
>>You don't need licensed to high throughput backhaul. For example, 
>>Orthogon's Spectra provides 300Mbps aggregate at a price point generally 
>>Less than 45Mbps licensed.
>>
>>
>
>Hi Matt,
>
>I am curious to see where / what you got those numbers for the Orthogon
>Spectra?
>
>-Charles
>
>---
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>March 13-15, 2006
>http://www.winog.com 
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Matt Liotta
>Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:28 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options
>
>
>
>-Matt
>
>Bobby Burrow wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I'm looking at moving to a licensed solution to increase throughput 
>>across one of out backhaul links that spans 5 hops. Distances between 
>>hops range anywhere from 7 to 19 miles.
>>
>>We are currently using the dual nstreme Mikrotik solution and it is 
>>working very well, however the WRAP/RB532 solutions are only yielding 
>>~25Mb per hop.
>>
>>Can anyone recommend a licensed radio manufacturer that should net us 
>>50Mb-100Mb per hop?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Bobby Burrow
>>East Texas Rural Net
>>www.etxrn.com
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
>  
>

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RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options

[G.Villarini]

Tad less … wit 2 footers about $17k

 



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006
12:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed
Backhaul options



 

The Spectra would be around $20k with external
antennas. A licensed product is going to be at least that, and probably $5k
more.

Travis
Microserv

Charles Wu wrote: 

You don't need licensed to high throughput backhaul. For example, Orthogon's Spectra provides 300Mbps aggregate at a price point generally Less than 45Mbps licensed.    

 Hi Matt, I am curious to see where / what you got those numbers for the OrthogonSpectra? -Charles ---WiNOG Austin, TXMarch 13-15, 2006http://www.winog.com    -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Matt LiottaSent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:28 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options   -Matt Bobby Burrow wrote:   

I'm looking at moving to a licensed solution to increase throughput across one of out backhaul links that spans 5 hops. Distances between hops range anywhere from 7 to 19 miles. We are currently using the dual nstreme Mikrotik solution and it is working very well, however the WRAP/RB532 solutions are only yielding ~25Mb per hop. Can anyone recommend a licensed radio manufacturer that should net us 50Mb-100Mb per hop? Thanks, Bobby BurrowEast Texas Rural Netwww.etxrn.com    

   




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RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options

[G.Villarini]

Charles,

Ill chime in here cause you can get a Spectra for $15 to $16k wheras a
Licensed link goes from $20k and up...

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:46 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options

>You don't need licensed to high throughput backhaul. For example, 
>Orthogon's Spectra provides 300Mbps aggregate at a price point generally 
>Less than 45Mbps licensed.

Hi Matt,

I am curious to see where / what you got those numbers for the Orthogon
Spectra?

-Charles

---
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March 13-15, 2006
http://www.winog.com 



-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul options



-Matt

Bobby Burrow wrote:

>I'm looking at moving to a licensed solution to increase throughput 
>across one of out backhaul links that spans 5 hops. Distances between 
>hops range anywhere from 7 to 19 miles.
>
>We are currently using the dual nstreme Mikrotik solution and it is 
>working very well, however the WRAP/RB532 solutions are only yielding 
>~25Mb per hop.
>
>Can anyone recommend a licensed radio manufacturer that should net us 
>50Mb-100Mb per hop?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bobby Burrow
>East Texas Rural Net
>www.etxrn.com
>
>
>  
>

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RE: [WISPA] VPN and router choices

[G.Villarini]

I have had good luck with Netgear FVS 318.  they can establish up to 8 ipsec
vpn tunnels.  About $99 street...

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Behalf Of Brian Whigham
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:18 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] VPN and router choices

Bo,

make sure that you're that you're not mis-interpreting VPN support with 
VPN services.  Most of the $20-$100 routers will allow IPSEC (the good 
stuff) and PPTP to pass through the device.  But, the only way I know of 
to get any of these to act as a VPN client or server is to upgrade to 
opensource firmware.  For example, the WRT54GL will act as PPTP client 
or server and can act as an openvpn client when you use DD-WRT.  See 
wrt54g.net for info on how to do this.

But, keep in mind that this configuration voids the warranty and any 
support.   Also, the device has 200mhz processor with 8MB RAM and 4MB 
flash.  So, it's no powerhouse.  You might look into linux boxes (to do 
an SSH VPN, IPSEC with FreeSwan, or OpenVPN for an SSL-based VPN), a 
Cisco PIX, or a SonicWall.  I warn you that VPN is not an easy thing.  
PPTP is fairly simple (and it works with win98 clients with no 3rd party 
software).  But, it's also proven to be insecure.

VPN appliances are not cheap (probably >$500-$1000 for one that can 
handle any sort of load).  But, you might be able to use a soekris board 
with a linux firmware that supports some VPN technology.  Those are 
still cute and tiny (with plenty of horsepower), but cheaper.

Luck to ya,
Brian Whigham
Yonder Networks

Bo Hamilton wrote:

> Hello list,
> Im looking at setting up some VPN's and I have looked at many routers 
> that claim ease of use.  Linksys, NetGear, D-Link and so on.  I was 
> wondering if someone could tell me what is the easiest router for setup. 
>  
> Also, does one have to have a VPN server( i.e Windows or Linux) or 
> does the router take place of this for remote connections.
>  
> The senario I have is one central office with 2 satalite offices that 
> connect to central.  The central office having the main VPN router.  I 
> want to have the two seperate locations seen in the network 
> neighborhood. 
>  
> Would this be a router to router VPN?  If so what are the easiest 
> one's to configure. 
>  
> Im new to the VPN world so go easy on me.   :)
>  
> Thanks in advance,
>  
> Bo Hamilton
> NCOWireless.com

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RE: [WISPA] Rodopi Vs. Platypus

[G.Villarini]

Link?

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Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 11:41 AM
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We are in the process of switching to Freeside.   I have demoed almost every

billing system out there and Freeside seems to be the most flexible and cost

effective.

Jory Privett
WCCS

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From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rodopi Vs. Platypus


Unless you have in-house developers who are comfortable with doing
Windows development (Visual Basic, if I remember correctly) Rodopi is a
nightmare.  My original ISP used it for about five years, and managed
4000+ customers with it.  It has some cool features, but we were never
able to get it to do exactly what we wanted to do and there were all
kinds of license requirements and extra charges.  I think we spent
nearly $10K over that five years in licensing alone - not to mention a
lot of custom development to get the information out of it that we
wanted.  We were actually exporting the entire sql database out of MsSQL
to a linux box with MySQL every morning so we could get the information
we needed out of it.   Man,  I don't miss those days.

The people on my staff who had experience with Rodopi and Freeside would
take Freeside any day.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


G.Villarini wrote:

> What are the hardware requierements? We are trying to choose between
> the soft pkg or the hosted application
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini,
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com/>
>
> 787.273.4143
>
>
>
> 
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:04 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Rodopi Vs. Platypus
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> We have been running Rodopi for almost 8 years now. It works great and
> we have never had a problem.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> G.Villarini wrote:
>
> Any info on the pro and cons of both billing platforms ?
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini,
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com/>
>
> 787.273.4143
>
>
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RE: [WISPA] Rodopi Vs. Platypus

[G.Villarini]

What are the hardware requierements? We are
trying to choose between the soft pkg or the hosted application

 



Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.aeronetpr.com

787.273.4143



 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006
11:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rodopi Vs.
Platypus



 

Hi,

We have been running Rodopi for almost 8 years now. It works great and we have
never had a problem.

Travis
Microserv

G.Villarini wrote: 

Any info on the pro and cons of both billing
platforms ?

 

Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.aeronetpr.com

787.273.4143

 






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[WISPA] Rodopi Vs. Platypus

[G.Villarini]

Any info on the pro and cons of both billing platforms ?

 

Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.aeronetpr.com

787.273.4143

 






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RE: [WISPA] Any Asterisk experts on the list?

[G.Villarini]

Well basically, we have a Server with [EMAIL PROTECTED], 3 FXO cards for 3 POTS
lines, and VOIP deskphones.  We are having issues with the Asterisk not
"finalizing" calls on the POTS lines.  Call goes in, we receive call, call
is finished, calling party hangs up, asterisk doesn't hang the call.  It
happens randomly on all 3 cards.


Any takers?

Gino A. Villarini, 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 5:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any Asterisk experts on the list?

I'm sure we can solve your problem for you, but it may be easier --and 
cheaper-- just to ask the question on the list. Anyway, our Asterisk 
support is $125/hour.

-Matt

G.Villarini wrote:

> I have some trouble with an asterisk implementation, we are looking 
> for some expert helpat a reasonable rate,
>
>  
>
> Gino A. Villarini,
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com/>
>
> 787.273.4143
>
>  
>

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[WISPA] Any Asterisk experts on the list?

[G.Villarini]

I have some trouble with an asterisk implementation, we are
looking for some expert helpat a reasonable rate, 

 

Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[WISPA] Independent Installer Contract?

[G.Villarini]

Hey List we are going to draft a Install Subcontractor
Contract and we are looking for existing ones to grab some ideas …

 

Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

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RE: [WISPA] 5.4 very close now

[G.Villarini]

Rick,

The orthogon software upgrade pertaining to the 5.4 gzh band only applies to
the Gemini 5.4 capable unit only wich is for the Euro Market, non US based
gear has been certified yet for 5.4 ghz

>From the Orthogon release notes:

1.1 Support for the 5.4GHz Hardware Variant
The Orthogon Systems OS-Gemini product range has a new frequency variant to
compliment its existing 5.8GHz product range. The new 5.4GHz hardware
variant operates between 5.470 to 5.725GHz (defined as the ETSI 5 GHz band
B), utilising 11MHz channels widths and variable base 12MHz raster. 

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:48 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 very close now

Mac,

As far as I know, the hardware/software has to be contention based to be
allowed to use the spectrum.  I would doubt if many consumer devices will be
allowed to operate in this spectrum.

I can tell you that Orthogon has already released the firmware upgrade for
the Gemini product to be used for the 5.4 Spectrum.
http://www.orthogonsystems.com/support/software.html

I just sent an email to them about the release date for the Spectra upgrade.


Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
260-307-4000 Cell
260-918-4340 VoIP
www.oibw.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 very close now

Marlon,

  Please excuse my ignorance, but is this spectrum going to be turned loose 
to every wireless consumer grade appliances known to man or is this going to

be something that is going to be released for the WISP? I know that I am 
dreaming here!!

Thanks,
Mac Dearman
Maximum Access, LLC.
Authorized Barracuda Reseller
MikroTik RouterOS Certified
www.inetsouth.com
www.mac-tel.us
www.RadioResponse.org (Katrina Relief)
Rayville, La.
318.728.8600
318.303.4228
318.303.4229





- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:28 AM
Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 very close now


> Hi All,
>
> I talked to the FCC the other day.  5.4 is at the "grammatical checking 
> stage".  All of the hard work is done.  Should see product soon.
>
> They (the FCC) has extended the certification of the existing rules (5.4's

> rules also affect new 5.2 gig gear) for the current crop of 5.2 gig gear. 
> Only till around June though.  The new rules should be well in place by 
> then.
>
> For those that haven't seen the latest from the NTIA (that's who was 
> holding things up).
> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/press/2006/5ghz_020806.htm
>
> laters,
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
> 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
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RE: [WISPA] WiNog

[G.Villarini]

Anyone has passes for the 2 full days, with conferences, hotel stay ,
transportation, airfare, meals and limo ride ? Charlie... please help me
out! Jeje

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:23 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] WiNog

Jory

Give me a call 773.326.4614 x534 and I'll try to work something out for you

-Charles

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http://www.winog.com 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jory Privett
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:57 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] WiNog


Does anyone have a source for some passes  that wont cost me  $395.  I will 
only be able to attend for one day

Jory Privett
WCCS


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RE: [WISPA] Tranzeo

[G.Villarini]

Tranzeo, 50 Mbps ? I don’t think so

 



Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.aeronetpr.com

787.273.4143



 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006
5:42 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo



 

Can anyone share experiences with the Tranzeo 5824F
series?  Looking for a BH solution that supports QoS and is upwards of 50
Mb and reliable. Ive looked at this, Ceragon and Waverider.  Any insights
are much appreciated.

 

Chris Cooper

Intelliwave






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RE: [WISPA] Good Evening Folks

[G.Villarini]

John, I hope you didn't have too much Churrasco and Vino ...

Gino A. Villarini, 
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Evening Folks

WOW! Boggs is here! And Victoria! and Jack Unger! What happened? I went 
to Argentina and you guys all came to WISPA to hang out? I guess I need 
to run off to the other side of the planet more often. Now don't leave 
just cause I am back OK!
:-)
Welcome gang. Glad to see all of you.
Scriv



Roger Boggs wrote:

> Thanks Tom - and all others.  Good to hear from all the old names/faces.
>
> I've learned more about copper cable crimpers here in the last two 
> days than I have
> from any other wireLESS list I've been on in the last two years!
>
> :-)
>
>
>
> At 11:22 AM 2/23/2006, you wrote:
>
>> Its always good to hear a chime in from one of the original early 
>> guys in the game, now and then.
>> Lots of stuff happening here in WISP land.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
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RE: [WISPA] Wisp In Killington VT?

[G.Villarini]

Title: Message








Yeah, we are finding out this right now…way
too much ice… last December I skied Vail, way better

 



Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.aeronetpr.com

787.273.4143



 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Charles Wu
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006
7:16 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wisp In Killington VT?



 



East Coast Snow =(





 





Go Rockies
-- east coast is WAY too icy





 





-Charles





 





 



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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Of G.Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006
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Subject: [WISPA] Wisp In Killington VT?

Hey folks,

 

I up in Killington
 VT doing some skiying… Who
the wisp servicing the area with Trango stuff?

 

Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[WISPA] Wisp In Killington VT?

[G.Villarini]

Hey folks,

 

I up in Killington VT doing some skiying… Who the wisp
servicing the area with Trango stuff?

 

Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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787.273.4143

 






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RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik - Longest 2.4ghz Shot

[G.Villarini]

Robert, care to share about this link in
PR, we are a local wisp and we havnt heard of it…. Were in PR are you
guys shooting from ?

 



Gino A. Villarini, 

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.aeronetpr.com

787.273.4143



 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of robert maier
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006
12:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik -
Longest 2.4ghz Shot



 



Working for another company at the time I thought we were hot when we
got a 32 mile link going using cm9 802.11 karlnet software stuff this was out
in Nebraska going from one center silo to two end silos all PTP,  then
came the 50+ link down in the caribbean still works great to this day goes from
Puerto Rico to the Virgin Islands mountain top to mountain top.





 





Rob Maier 

JohnnyO
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





What is the longest 2.4ghz shot using Mikrotik and SR2s or CM9s does
anyone have working ? Curious 

JohnnyO


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RE: [WISPA] bandwidth

[G.Villarini]

You know that gear doesn't comply with fcc... and they  are also selling it
overpriced ...

Gino A. Villarini, 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
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Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:10 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] bandwidth

Buy from someone that imports 5.4 moto from overseas and resells.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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Behalf Of G.Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:42 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] bandwidth

AFAIK, they are not shipping to US only international cause the FCC has
not
defined the DFS mechanism yet...

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


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Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:17 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] bandwidth

Motorola 5.4Ghz gear.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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Subject: RE: [WISPA] bandwidth

Are any vendors shipping products which are FCC certified for these
frequencies?

Thanks

Dan


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> 
> Last month, the FCC officially opened up the use of the middle band of
> the Unlicensed National Information Infrastructure (UNII) spectrum
> (5.470 GHz to 5.725 GHz) to 54Mbps 802.11a Wi-Fi networks in the
United
> States. The band adds another 255 MHz and 11 channels to the existing
> 325 MHz and 13 channels available for Wi-Fi in this band.
> 
> As of January 20, any products that apply for certification in the
5.470
> GHz to 5.725 GHz band or in the lower end of the UNII band at 5.25
> GHz to 5.35 GHz, were required to support dynamic frequency selection
> (DFS) and transmit power control (TPC) to minimize interference, per a
> February 2005 FCC order
> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-43A1.pdf>.
> 
>  From Joanie Wexler...
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RE: [WISPA] bandwidth

[G.Villarini]

AFAIK, they are not shipping to US only international cause the FCC has not
defined the DFS mechanism yet...

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:17 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] bandwidth

Motorola 5.4Ghz gear.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:05 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] bandwidth

Are any vendors shipping products which are FCC certified for these
frequencies?

Thanks

Dan


> -Original Message-
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On Behalf
> Of A. Huppenthal
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:55 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] bandwidth
> 
> Last month, the FCC officially opened up the use of the middle band of
> the Unlicensed National Information Infrastructure (UNII) spectrum
> (5.470 GHz to 5.725 GHz) to 54Mbps 802.11a Wi-Fi networks in the
United
> States. The band adds another 255 MHz and 11 channels to the existing
> 325 MHz and 13 channels available for Wi-Fi in this band.
> 
> As of January 20, any products that apply for certification in the
5.470
> GHz to 5.725 GHz band or in the lower end of the UNII band at 5.25
> GHz to 5.35 GHz, were required to support dynamic frequency selection
> (DFS) and transmit power control (TPC) to minimize interference, per a
> February 2005 FCC order
> .
> 
>  From Joanie Wexler...
> 
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RE: [WISPA] 900 yagi

[G.Villarini]

Canopy has an N Male, we used yagis from here: www.m2inc.com

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:08 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 900 yagi

Looking for a 900mhz Yagi.  What are good ones?  Preferably less than 
$100 each.  I'd like to order tomorrow and from someone in the midwest 
so I get it next day by shipping next day?  Does anything fit the bill?
Also, what connector does Canopy have?  I don't see it on the spec sheet.

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RE: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing?

[G.Villarini]

Surely they know, but there isn’t much
they can do when the Cell div. pulls x100 more $ than the Canopy Div.

 



Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.aeronetpr.com

787.273.4143



 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509)
982-2181
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006
5:13 PM
To: WISPA
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Subject: Re: Was - [WISPA] service
contract prices - What is moto doing?



 



They know cause I've told them :-).





 





There are issues in the 700 band too.  EVERY filing has
been against unlicensed.





 





laters,





Marlon
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Consulting services
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- Original Message - 





From: G.Villarini 





To: 'WISPA General
List' 





Sent: Friday, February
10, 2006 12:24 PM





Subject: RE: Was - [WISPA]
service contract prices - What is moto doing?





 



The Cellular Sector is pushing for
licensing the 3.65 band… You got to understand that MOTO is huge
organization not like other Manufacturers.  And The Cellular Division is
pushing for licensing the 3.65 band so they can sell more BTS to the Cell
operators….AFAIK, the Canopy group has nothing to do with this since they
are on another Division…

 

Sometimes your right hand doesn’t
know what the left is doing …Not the case with smaller guys like Trango,
which only serve a handful of markets

 



Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.aeronetpr.com

787.273.4143



 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006
4:16 PM
To: WISPA
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Subject: Re: Was - [WISPA] service
contract prices - What is moto doing?



 

What are they doing at the FCC??



 





Can you point me to a few links or otherwise enlighten me?





 





 





On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:



 



I
know I work with EC. And I know people like Canopy. I know I'm only supposed to
say nice things.





But Motorola is STILL working hard at the FCC level to
hamstring this industry. I'll not support them unless there are no other
choices. I won't even use a moto cell phone at this point, I'm so discussed
with what they've been doing at the FCC.





Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services
42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam





 







- Original Message - 





From: G.Villarini 





To: 'WISPA General
List' 





Sent: Friday, February
10, 2006 11:19 AM





Subject: RE: [WISPA]
service contract prices





 





1 suggestion, Last Mile Gear Canopy Advantage Omni



Gino A. Villarini, 

 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

www.aeronetpr.com

 

787.273.4143



 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
(509) 982-2181
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006
3:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] service
contract prices





Need
coverage in 3 different directions. And trango ap's only come with 60* sectors.





Plus,
they'll likely put in some video surveillance and that will need lots of
capacity so we're heading off any likely bw issues.





Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services
42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam





 





 



-
Original Message - 





From: G.Villarini 





To: 'WISPA General List' 





Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:05 AM





Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices



Why 3 APs ?



Gino A. Villarini, 

 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

www.aeronetpr.com

 

787.273.4143



 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
(509) 982-2181
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006
3:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] service
contract prices





Hiya Johnny,





This is a
casino. The security and reliability requirements rule out any 802.11 type
gear.





Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services
42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam





 





 



-
Original Message - 





From: JohnnyO






To: WISPA General List 





Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:42 AM





Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices

RE: [WISPA] service contract prices

[G.Villarini]

Ohh and you like Trango even tough they
pulled the plug on Distis like EC ? …..

 



Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.aeronetpr.com

787.273.4143



 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509)
982-2181
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006
4:08 PM
To: WISPA
 General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] service
contract prices



 



I know I work with EC.  And I know people like
Canopy.  I know I'm only supposed to say nice things.





 





But Motorola is STILL working hard at the FCC level to
hamstring this industry.  I'll not support them unless there are no other
choices.  I won't even use a moto cell phone at this point, I'm so
discussed with what they've been doing at the FCC.





 





Marlon
(509)
982-2181  
Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910
(Vonage)   
Consulting services
42846865
(icq)   
And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam





 






 







- Original Message - 





From: G.Villarini 





To: 'WISPA General
List' 





Sent: Friday, February
10, 2006 11:19 AM





Subject: RE: [WISPA]
service contract prices





 



1 suggestion, Last Mile Gear Canopy
Advantage Omni

 



Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.aeronetpr.com

787.273.4143



 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006
3:17 PM
To: WISPA
 General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] service
contract prices



 



Need coverage in 3 different directions.  And trango
ap's only come with 60* sectors.





 





Plus, they'll likely put in some video surveillance and that
will need lots of capacity so we're heading off any likely bw issues.





 





Marlon
(509)
982-2181  
Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910
(Vonage)   
Consulting services
42846865
(icq)   
And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam





 






 







----- Original Message - 





From: G.Villarini 





To: 'WISPA General
List' 





Sent: Friday, February
10, 2006 11:05 AM





Subject: RE: [WISPA]
service contract prices





 



Why 3 APs ?

 



Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.aeronetpr.com

787.273.4143



 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006
3:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] service
contract prices



 



Hiya Johnny,





 





This is a casino.  The security and reliability
requirements rule out any 802.11 type gear.





 





Marlon
(509)
982-2181  
Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910
(Vonage)   
Consulting services
42846865
(icq)   
And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam





 






 







- Original Message - 





From: JohnnyO






To: WISPA General List






Sent: Friday, February
10, 2006 10:42 AM





Subject: Re: [WISPA]
service contract prices





 



I would strongly suggest looking at Mikrotik for the following reasons.

#1 - Pricing - very inexpensive to maintain and swap out equipment in the event
of a failure
#2 - You can provide them up to 36meg connectivity for the same pricing anyone
can offer then 10megs
#3 - Ease of replacements

You can also provide them Wi-Fi connectivity with a MT Based system for laptops
in between the properties if they desire. The reason I suggest MT is the amount
of flexibility and options you can tack are are far superior to any proprietory
solution out there you can get your hands on. 

JohnnyO


On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 09:57 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: 

Hi All, I've been asked to provide a network for a complex of buildings. They like the ease of deployment and flexibility of a Trango based network. I'll lock them into a 3 year contract that will match the time frame I'll need for a bank loan for the hardware. I'll need to put in 3 ap's and 4 cpe units.  As well as battery backup units all installation work etc.  Additional cpe is possible but not guaranteed in the future. My question is, what do I charge for this?  I can handle the monthly part but I've never put a service contract on a wlan before.  Used to do it in my copier days all the time so I understand the concept.  Just need some help with the numbers. The site is about 1.5 hours from me, and that far from anyone else that knows anything about anything too.  I b

RE: Was - [WISPA] service contract prices - What is moto doing?

[G.Villarini]

The Cellular Sector is pushing for
licensing the 3.65 band… You got to understand that MOTO is huge
organization not like other Manufacturers.  And The Cellular Division is
pushing for licensing the 3.65 band so they can sell more BTS to the Cell operators….AFAIK,
the Canopy group has nothing to do with this since they are on another Division…

 

Sometimes your right hand doesn’t
know what the left is doing …Not the case with smaller guys like Trango,
which only serve a handful of markets

 



Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.aeronetpr.com

787.273.4143



 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006
4:16 PM
To: WISPA
 General List
Subject: Re: Was - [WISPA] service
contract prices - What is moto doing?



 

What are they doing at the FCC??



 





Can you point me to a few links or otherwise enlighten me?





 





 





On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:









I
know I work with EC. And I know people like Canopy. I know I'm only supposed to
say nice things.





But Motorola is STILL working hard at the FCC level to
hamstring this industry. I'll not support them unless there are no other
choices. I won't even use a moto cell phone at this point, I'm so discussed
with what they've been doing at the FCC.





Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services
42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam





 







- Original Message - 





From: G.Villarini 





To: 'WISPA General
List' 





Sent: Friday, February
10, 2006 11:19 AM





Subject: RE: [WISPA]
service contract prices





 





1 suggestion, Last Mile Gear Canopy Advantage Omni



Gino A. Villarini, 



Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.



[EMAIL PROTECTED]



www.aeronetpr.com



787.273.4143













From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
(509) 982-2181
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006
3:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] service
contract prices





Need
coverage in 3 different directions. And trango ap's only come with 60* sectors.





Plus,
they'll likely put in some video surveillance and that will need lots of
capacity so we're heading off any likely bw issues.





Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services
42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam

















-----
Original Message - 





From: G.Villarini 





To: 'WISPA General List' 





Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:05 AM





Subject: RE: [WISPA] service contract prices



Why 3 APs ?



Gino A. Villarini, 



Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.



[EMAIL PROTECTED]



www.aeronetpr.com



787.273.4143













From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
(509) 982-2181
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006
3:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] service
contract prices





Hiya
Johnny,





This
is a casino. The security and reliability requirements rule out any 802.11 type
gear.





Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services
42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam

















-
Original Message - 





From: JohnnyO






To: WISPA General List 





Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:42 AM





Subject: Re: [WISPA] service contract prices



I would
strongly suggest looking at Mikrotik for the following reasons.

#1 - Pricing - very inexpensive to maintain and swap out equipment in the event
of a failure
#2 - You can provide them up to 36meg connectivity for the same pricing anyone
can offer then 10megs
#3 - Ease of replacements

You can also provide them Wi-Fi connectivity with a MT Based system for laptops
in between the properties if they desire. The reason I suggest MT is the amount
of flexibility and options you can tack are are far superior to any proprietory
solution out there you can get your hands on. 

JohnnyO


On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 09:57 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: 

Hi All, I've been asked to provide a network for a complex of buildings. They like the ease of deployment and flexibility of a Trango based network. I'll lock them into a 3 year contract that will match the time frame I'll need for a bank loan for the hardware. I'll need to put in 3 ap's and 4 cpe units.  As well as battery backup units all installation work etc.  Additional cpe is possible but not guaranteed in the future. My question is, what do I charge for this?  I can handle the monthly part but

RE: [WISPA] service contract prices

[G.Villarini]

1 suggestion, Last Mile Gear Canopy
Advantage Omni

 



Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.aeronetpr.com

787.273.4143



 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509)
982-2181
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006
3:17 PM
To: WISPA
 General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] service
contract prices



 



Need coverage in 3 different directions.  And trango
ap's only come with 60* sectors.





 





Plus, they'll likely put in some video surveillance and that
will need lots of capacity so we're heading off any likely bw issues.





 





Marlon
(509) 982-2181  
Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910
(Vonage)   
Consulting services
42846865
(icq)   
And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam





 






 







- Original Message ----- 





From: G.Villarini 





To: 'WISPA General
List' 





Sent: Friday, February
10, 2006 11:05 AM





Subject: RE: [WISPA]
service contract prices





 



Why 3 APs ?

 



Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.aeronetpr.com

787.273.4143



 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006
3:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] service
contract prices



 



Hiya Johnny,





 





This is a casino.  The security and reliability
requirements rule out any 802.11 type gear.





 





Marlon
(509)
982-2181  
Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910
(Vonage)   
Consulting services
42846865
(icq)   
And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam





 






 







- Original Message - 





From: JohnnyO






To: WISPA General List






Sent: Friday, February
10, 2006 10:42 AM





Subject: Re: [WISPA]
service contract prices





 



I would strongly suggest looking at Mikrotik for the following reasons.

#1 - Pricing - very inexpensive to maintain and swap out equipment in the event
of a failure
#2 - You can provide them up to 36meg connectivity for the same pricing anyone
can offer then 10megs
#3 - Ease of replacements

You can also provide them Wi-Fi connectivity with a MT Based system for laptops
in between the properties if they desire. The reason I suggest MT is the amount
of flexibility and options you can tack are are far superior to any proprietory
solution out there you can get your hands on. 

JohnnyO


On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 09:57 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: 

Hi All, I've been asked to provide a network for a complex of buildings. They like the ease of deployment and flexibility of a Trango based network. I'll lock them into a 3 year contract that will match the time frame I'll need for a bank loan for the hardware. I'll need to put in 3 ap's and 4 cpe units.  As well as battery backup units all installation work etc.  Additional cpe is possible but not guaranteed in the future. My question is, what do I charge for this?  I can handle the monthly part but I've never put a service contract on a wlan before.  Used to do it in my copier days all the time so I understand the concept.  Just need some help with the numbers. The site is about 1.5 hours from me, and that far from anyone else that knows anything about anything too.  I believe that the contract price should be tied to cpe deployed. Too low and any repair work, device failures etc. will kill me.  Too high and I'll loose the deal.  What's standard in the industry?  As I'll be using Trango I'll hopefully be giving them 8 to 9 megs of throughput (all sites are within 1/8th of a mile) from building to building.  I'll likely only contract for 6 megs though. thanks,Marlon(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)    Consulting services42846865 (icq)    And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam   







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RE: [WISPA] service contract prices

[G.Villarini]

Why 3 APs ?

 



Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.aeronetpr.com

787.273.4143



 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006
3:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] service
contract prices



 



Hiya Johnny,





 





This is a casino.  The security and reliability
requirements rule out any 802.11 type gear.





 





Marlon
(509)
982-2181  
Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910
(Vonage)   
Consulting services
42846865
(icq)   
And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam





 






 







- Original Message - 





From: JohnnyO






To: WISPA General List






Sent: Friday, February
10, 2006 10:42 AM





Subject: Re: [WISPA]
service contract prices





 



I would strongly suggest looking at Mikrotik for the following reasons.

#1 - Pricing - very inexpensive to maintain and swap out equipment in the event
of a failure
#2 - You can provide them up to 36meg connectivity for the same pricing anyone
can offer then 10megs
#3 - Ease of replacements

You can also provide them Wi-Fi connectivity with a MT Based system for laptops
in between the properties if they desire. The reason I suggest MT is the amount
of flexibility and options you can tack are are far superior to any proprietory
solution out there you can get your hands on. 

JohnnyO


On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 09:57 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: 

Hi All, I've been asked to provide a network for a complex of buildings. They like the ease of deployment and flexibility of a Trango based network. I'll lock them into a 3 year contract that will match the time frame I'll need for a bank loan for the hardware. I'll need to put in 3 ap's and 4 cpe units.  As well as battery backup units all installation work etc.  Additional cpe is possible but not guaranteed in the future. My question is, what do I charge for this?  I can handle the monthly part but I've never put a service contract on a wlan before.  Used to do it in my copier days all the time so I understand the concept.  Just need some help with the numbers. The site is about 1.5 hours from me, and that far from anyone else that knows anything about anything too.  I believe that the contract price should be tied to cpe deployed. Too low and any repair work, device failures etc. will kill me.  Too high and I'll loose the deal.  What's standard in the industry?  As I'll be using Trango I'll hopefully be giving them 8 to 9 megs of throughput (all sites are within 1/8th of a mile) from building to building.  I'll likely only contract for 6 megs though. thanks,Marlon(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)    Consulting services42846865 (icq)    And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam   







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RE: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

[G.Villarini]

140" are 15 db loss plus 2 for the connectors.. the effective gain on the
antenna would be 11 db ... run your calcs

Gino A. Villarini, 
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cliff Leboeuf
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 12:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

Gino,
It was Redline's 2' panel.
- Cliff

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of G.Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:15 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

What redline antenna was used? A sector a panel ?

Gino A. Villarini, 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cliff Leboeuf
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 12:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

We proposed a spectrum analysis for a client. This analysis was to be
performed with a hand-held spectrum analyzer at the height that the
equipment was to be mounted. Our offer was rejected.

However, we were asked to provide the climber for the other party's
analysis.


Their analysis was performed as follows:
1. Using a 'nice' spectrum analyzer
a. the analyzer remained in their truck
b. the antenna from a 5.8Ghz Redline system was hauled about
140'
c. the original RF cable used was RG6 for 140'(duh?)
d. the next 140' of RF cable used was LMR400
e. we know that we shoot directly through one of the sites
surveyed with 5.8Ghz P2P link, and have 5.8 P2Mp links at two other
locations surveyed
f. all analysis showed no RF interference (go figure!)

I'm not an RF engineer, so would someone help me to explain why there
was no 5.8Ghz interference shown at these locations even though I know
there to be other 5.8Ghz equipment hitting the towers tested.

What is the RF cable loss at 140' of using LMR400 as described above?
Also factor in about 4 connectors to adapt the RF cable from the
analyzer to the antenna. 

Is this a valid analysis, or am I wrong to comment to this customer that
I feel this analysis if flawed?

"Ammunition" that anyone is willing to supply would be appreciated as
well as advice for me to keep my mouth shut. :)

- Cliff


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RE: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

[G.Villarini]

What redline antenna was used? A sector a panel ?

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cliff Leboeuf
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 12:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Flawed Spectrum Analysis (I think!)

We proposed a spectrum analysis for a client. This analysis was to be
performed with a hand-held spectrum analyzer at the height that the
equipment was to be mounted. Our offer was rejected.

However, we were asked to provide the climber for the other party's
analysis.


Their analysis was performed as follows:
1. Using a 'nice' spectrum analyzer
a. the analyzer remained in their truck
b. the antenna from a 5.8Ghz Redline system was hauled about
140'
c. the original RF cable used was RG6 for 140'(duh?)
d. the next 140' of RF cable used was LMR400
e. we know that we shoot directly through one of the sites
surveyed with 5.8Ghz P2P link, and have 5.8 P2Mp links at two other
locations surveyed
f. all analysis showed no RF interference (go figure!)

I'm not an RF engineer, so would someone help me to explain why there
was no 5.8Ghz interference shown at these locations even though I know
there to be other 5.8Ghz equipment hitting the towers tested.

What is the RF cable loss at 140' of using LMR400 as described above?
Also factor in about 4 connectors to adapt the RF cable from the
analyzer to the antenna. 

Is this a valid analysis, or am I wrong to comment to this customer that
I feel this analysis if flawed?

"Ammunition" that anyone is willing to supply would be appreciated as
well as advice for me to keep my mouth shut. :)

- Cliff


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RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bridging w-Nstreme

[G.Villarini]

Turn off connection tracking under firewall

Gino A. Villarini, 
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bridging w-Nstreme

Thought I'd share my test results on NStreme.

I am happy with John Tulley's (Mikrotik's) attitude, in the sense that they 
are constantly trying to improve their product, and listening to comments 
from users of their product, and attempting to make sure users are not 
misinformed about the features of their product. They are smart guys, that 
have a lot of skin in the game, and experience beyond many in this industry.

I think Mikrotik is on to something, in their attempt to make a better 
protocol to enhance Wifi, and commend them on their guts to do so. However, 
with that said, I was rather disappointed with the results of NStreme in my 
testing.  I think its still needs a lot of work.

I used the same test bed I've been talking about the past few days 
(originally with Trango), 10 miles, -47db rssi on Mikrotik w/Range5, one 
radio per 532 MB, 2 ft quickfire dish.

My goal was to test how Mikrotik handled packet loss, when it was thrown at 
it at different speeds.  I used three primary tools for testing performance.

Mikrotik's included Btest/bandwdith tester and Iperf TCP and IPerf UDP.

I was surprised to see that Mikrotik's Built-in BTest program actually 
performed (on Average) pretty darn close to the results that I got with 
Iperf. It was hard to tell that at first because BTest is a bit jumpy with 
sparatic speeds, but the average reading was pretty close if an eye was kept

on it.  Iperf was more accurate in getting precise results.  The most useful

test is Iperf UDP. The reason is that Iperf will show you at what point 
(speed) you start to get packet loss and how much. All of Mikrotik's 
performance tests, leave out "packet loss" in their results, so you can't 
see the effect or choke points.  In a real world enviroment, with lots of 
subscribers and over subscription, its likely that a link will get hammered 
from time to time, and nice to know what will happen from a packet loss 
point of view when limits are reached.  But the biggest help of Iperf UDP, 
is to detect the MAX speed possible from the radio, and at what trade off of

packet loss.  The Iperf UDP speed results is what should be utilized for 
configuring bandwdith management tools. Tke note: That Iperf purpose is to 
see what point packetloss will occur, and it ALWAYS occurs with any 
connection which is pushed beyond its limits. no inteligence at other layers

is applied to slow tranmittingto reduce packet loss.

My goal was to compare Nstreme to not using NStreme. (used new version 9.12)

The majority of the time the Station side, negotiated at 54 mbps, however on

the AP-bride side negotiated speed could jump around from 48mbps to 6 mbps. 
but usually around 36 mbps (QAM16) majority of the time.  I was watching the

negotiated rate at the same time as testing to look for modulation change. 
It didn't change often. To be clear tests were done with WDS mode, and all 
default auto settings. Polling was turned off since a PtP link. And best 
fit, was tried on and off, however, that would not have much effect, as 
Iperf was sending consistent size packets of 1470 bytes.  Often people will 
see better speeds and less packet loss when testing with smaller packets, 
but to get menaing ful results its important to test a full packet size.

Mikrotik reported a Tx CCQ of 93-98% and noise floor of -101, in status of 
WLAN..

In Iperf you set the speed at which you want to send data to the link, and 
then it reports the speed transfer at and at what packet loss.  I ran the 
tests several times for each speed, so I had a good average to consider.

I was stunned by the results.

Using NStreme
Throughput (mbps) /  Packet loss.
6M / .12%
8M / 1% - 2.4%
10M / 1.2% - 8%
12M / 4%
13M / 8.3%
15M / 21%
18M / 35%

In summary, NStreme could perform well without packet loss at about up to 
8mbps.

Using Standard Wifi

10M / .73%
12M / .36%
13M / 1.8%
18M / 2.2%
19M and up- started to see high packet loss

Without NStreme, I could push almost 18mbps at the same packet loss 
Nstreme's 8mbps. And at 12mbps, I got very low packet loss. So in summary, 
Standard Wifi doubled the throughput of NStreme.

Unless there is some hidden tuning commands for NStreme, its not cutting it 
yet, over default Wifi.

Using Mikrotiks BTest, I got about 8M (4mbps in each direction) with 
NStreme, and about 12M (6-7mbps one way, and 5-6mbps in the other.). 
Likewise I tried Iperf TCP, which produced results very similar to 
Mikrotik's average.

Note: understand that this enviroment may have some noise considerations, 
tested to be around -80db with Trango. I tested the Mikrotik using 5.3Ghz, 
but performan

RE: [WISPA] Generator --> What model?

[G.Villarini]

Well, what's worth a Generator without a Automatic Transfer Switch ?

We use this one on some POPS... its great

http://cableorganizer.com/generators/generac-generators-centurion.htm

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 4:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Generator --> What model?

Where do you get your generators?  It's not like they need a ton of 
juice.  Small ones maybe?  Can they be had pretty cheap?  My noc is 
small and requires not too much power.
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RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

[G.Villarini]

Use 2 Pac Wireless single pol.  3footers ? $500

Gino A. Villarini, 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

I actually got clarification on the Pacwireless solutions yesterday.
2 ft feeds do not work for 3 ft dishes, different lengths.
The PacWireless is a dual pol feed on a 3 ft dish, but only has the gain of 
less than a 2 ft dish.
The purpose of upgrading from a two foot to three foot was to increase gain 
not decrease it.
So PacWirelesslesses Dual Pol dish today, is a useless product. I was told, 
its in engineering now for a redesign.

Gabrial 2ft dual pol- 28.9 dbi   ($350) - best value to day.
Radiowaves or Andrews 3ft dual pol- 32 dbi ($1024) - desperate to get 3 more

db.
Gabriel 4 ft Dual Pol -34.5 db ($1000.)
Pacwireless 2ft single pol - 29 dbi ($180)
Pacwireless 3 ft single pol- 32 dbi ($250) - Very cost effective Option, if 
you can live with Single Pol.
Pacwireless Dual Pol (3 ft)- 27 dbi. ($450) - worthless.

There is a clear gap in our options for 3 ft dual pol, and good value.

Four feet dishes are a big pain, won't fit through some hallways and most 
roof hatches. And the windload is atrocious, when trying to mount it.

Three feet dishes are MUCH easier to work with, half the windloading, are 
safe to install on existing wall mounted masts of slightly smaller diameter 
(2.5") left from Teligent and simliar companies.  But yet maximizes the 
available DB able to get from an antenna for a link.

I'd really like to see a 3 ft Dual pol option under $600, at some point. 
What really is Dish antenna anyway? More or less just a large trash can lid!

How much can it really cost? Its not that difficult. I'd like to see 
PacWireless finish the job, and redesign that feed to get the 32 dbi that it

should be able to get.  Or Gabriel to fill in the hole. What I'd really like

to see is Maxrad make a Dual pol version of their 3 ft dish. There 3 foot 
single pol dish was the best we have ever tested from a gain point of view, 
really sweat.  It out performed all the 4 fts from competitors. Its around 
$450 but its only single pol now :-(

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: "G.Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas


> Pac wireless has a 2ft dual pol, and a 3ft single pol, maybe the 2ft
> Feedhorn fits the 3 footer?!
>
> Gino A. Villarini,
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.aeronetpr.com
> 787.273.4143
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas
>
> The street price I have found on 3 ft Dual pol 5.2-58Ghz parabolic 
> antennas
> have been around 
>
> $1045 for Andrews, and $1025 for Radiowaves.
>
> Any vendors on list in a possition to do better than that? If so, contact 
> me
>
> off list.
>
> I find it odd, that there is such a large gap between 2 feet and 3 feet.
> 2 feet Dual pol gabriels are runing around $350.  It would be nice if
> someone came up with something half way in between for 3 ft dual pol.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
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RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

[G.Villarini]

Pac wireless has a 2ft dual pol, and a 3ft single pol, maybe the 2ft
Feedhorn fits the 3 footer?!

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:48 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

The street price I have found on 3 ft Dual pol 5.2-58Ghz parabolic antennas 
have been around 

$1045 for Andrews, and $1025 for Radiowaves.

Any vendors on list in a possition to do better than that? If so, contact me

off list.

I find it odd, that there is such a large gap between 2 feet and 3 feet.
2 feet Dual pol gabriels are runing around $350.  It would be nice if 
someone came up with something half way in between for 3 ft dual pol.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

[G.Villarini]

One thing is that Wimax wont certify gear in the 700 , 900 or other bands
and the other is that Manufacturers release gear in those band with the same
specs of Wimax, just without the Wimax logo...

Gino A. Villarini, 
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787.273.4143


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Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

On that note, If I didnt hear it from 3-4 manufacturers directly, and  
ODM's then I would'nt believe it myself.

Still doesnt change the fact that wimax sadly looked over 900mhz  
( not that a wimax phy or mac would
work well in 900 mhz )

-

Jeff

On Jan 21, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Richard Munoz wrote:

> AFAIK, Jeff does not promote hype, just facts.
>
> -Richard M.
>
>> Not more Hypemax!
>>
>>
>> Jeffrey Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Because in 6 months, you will be able to buy a Wimax Cpe for 200  
>>> bucks.
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2006, at 4:22 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>>
 Hope that affects the price of everything else, at this point  
 who  would
 by an 802.11a cpe for $250 when you can buy a trango for $150?

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 114 S. Walnut St.
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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 Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:06 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

 Well MAC.Did we find the right news? Or is there more???

 Mac Dearman wrote:

> Whooa  - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made  
> me  smile


> all over!
>
> Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the  
> Twilight
> Zone!!
>
> Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep,  
> long  and


> wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they  
> will in
> a day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!!
> 
>
> Mac Dearman
> Maximum Access, LLC.
> Authorized Barracuda Reseller
> MikroTik RouterOS Certified
> www.inetsouth.com
> www.mac-tel.us
> Rayville, La.
> 318.728.8600 318.303.4227
> 318.303.4229
>
>
>
>

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 www.reliableinter.net
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RE: [WISPA] M5580 feedback and Dish mounting help

[G.Villarini]

Jejeje the 60x60 cpe trango antenna! Canopy anyone?

Now on a serious note, the real problem I forecast with this is on 5.3 ghz
and OFDM where you cant use a dish 

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Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:15 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] M5580 feedback and Dish mounting help


The Trango M5580 is a great product and been working well from a stability 
perspective and price point, and glqd to have it as an option. However, 
there are several challenges to deal with.

There are two negatives that creates a third.

1) 8 db int antenna, so 7 db less than Fox5800.
2) No longer supports RF Threshhold command.

The range drops down to two miles, giving you a -74 signal, more easilly 
able to survive the noise using DSSS.
However when upgraded to OFDM, I'm concerned about the low gain of the radio

being able to survive the noise with adequate singal to noise threshold. 
I'm guessing the range will be more like 1 mile to have high enough signal 
to support the high modulations. Unless of course the dish install is used. 
This is where we make a savings. Using a inexpensive M5580 w/ dish apposed 
to Fox-D.

The foxes without the dish was convenient because we could mount lower, on 
the side of the wall or under eves. Now we are in most cases goingto be 
required to mount on the roof or on the side of the house at the peak.  I 
hate drilling down into the roof, for water proof liability reasons, but its

likely that may have to start happening.

What we are finding is that most of the houses we are targeting, we are 
finding that the peaks are taller than our 30 ft ladders can reach, and 
often taller than our 40 foot ladders can reach.  We are also finding our 
underserved area, are larger homes with very steep peaked roofs, causing 
safety issues.  We often will carry a 20 ft section of ladder with hooks, 
and lift it onto the peak as our method to climb. But when the edge of the 
roof is up 30 feeet, its scary pulling the ladder up, to lift onto the roof.

Clearly a two man job, that takes care.  What we are finding that we are 
doing instead, is we are finding a way up to the peak of the roof, and then 
we straddle the peak so we can safely manuver to the  side edge where we 
mount a Pole (with M-mount and contilever mount), and have DSS dish extend 
over the roof line.  Its can be difficult hangling down over the edge to 
mount the bottom cross bar to stablize the pole.

So my question is, how are people optimizing this process? I know some one 
makes a pre-made kit in steel, for this type of mount, without needing to 
cut 2x4s.  Whats the best place to find these mounts, and what thickness do 
they need to be to adequately support the Fox Dishes?

I need to make the determination if we can cost effectively still mount to 
the side of the house easilly for these installations, or if we have to 
lower ourselves to Cable TV standard, and screw through the roof :-(   And 
at what point we are better off staying with Fox5800 SUs, apposed to the 
timely and more costly install requirements.

Any suggestions to speed this mounting process is helpful. ( at heights 
higher than 40 feet, for DISH mounting )

One of the guys at The Trango show had some suggestions on this, but I 
misplaced the info I got from him on part numbers.

I was consodering upgrading to a bucket truck, but most cost effective 
bucket trucks wont get us up to the 45 feet peak height requirement in most 
cases.  (walk out basements, with Step peaked roof, and multiple stories are

common here and killers of the quick install)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

[G.Villarini]

2x is higher modulation, up to 14 mbps data.  Regular SM's can achieve 14
mbps Bursts.  There's and upgrade to allow sustained 14 Mbps. Dunno the
price..

Gino A. Villarini, 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:31 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

Silly question but what is the difference between 1x and 2x? Also how much
does Canopy charge for the software upgrades to up the performance of the
subscriber units?

Thanks,
Chadd

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Funny, I got Sm's running 2x @ -79

Gino A. Villarini, 
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Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:09 PM
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I think its 3db for 1X mode at any signal strength and 10db for 2X mode
and signal has to be -65 to achieve 2X mode.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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Also that is 3db at -65dbm signal

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf
> Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
> 
> If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent
noise
> rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your
> throughput.
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> 114 S. Walnut St.
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
> 
> We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a
> necessary
> evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early
> on
> and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise
> floor
> is fairly high in 5.x around here.
> 
> It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all
the
> time
> and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution
> that
> does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the
> spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx.
> 
> Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have
had
> two
> competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our
FHSS
> and
> we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly
> over
> the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps
> plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot
> about us
> and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do
> what
> it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind
> sticking
> with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs
as
> customers expect faster and faster connections.
> 
> It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to
get
> calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our
service
> based off of recommendations from their neighbors.
> 
> Thanks,
> Chadd
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:02 PM
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> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
> 
> Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900
> gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or
> possibly 5.7 gear.
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> 114 S. Walnut St.
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
> 
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RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

[G.Villarini]

Funny, I got Sm's running 2x @ -79

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143

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Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:09 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

I think its 3db for 1X mode at any signal strength and 10db for 2X mode
and signal has to be -65 to achieve 2X mode.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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Also that is 3db at -65dbm signal

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf
> Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM
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> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
> 
> If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent
noise
> rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your
> throughput.
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> 114 S. Walnut St.
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
> 
> We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a
> necessary
> evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early
> on
> and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise
> floor
> is fairly high in 5.x around here.
> 
> It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all
the
> time
> and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution
> that
> does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the
> spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx.
> 
> Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have
had
> two
> competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our
FHSS
> and
> we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly
> over
> the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps
> plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot
> about us
> and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do
> what
> it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind
> sticking
> with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs
as
> customers expect faster and faster connections.
> 
> It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to
get
> calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our
service
> based off of recommendations from their neighbors.
> 
> Thanks,
> Chadd
> 
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> 
> Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900
> gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or
> possibly 5.7 gear.
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> 114 S. Walnut St.
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
> 
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RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

[G.Villarini]

I did with the Atlas PTP

Gino A. Villarini, 
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Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:21 PM
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So who is going to beta test these bad boys? I already took my turn with the
link 10's and T900's

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Go to the web site, $149 CPE. 


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RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

[G.Villarini]

Saw that, cool.  Need more details like the form factor? Antenna included ?
To what type of AP will it talk to ? regual 5830's or new Atlas AP's ?

Got to love atheros chips.

Gino A. Villarini, 
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Go to the web site, $149 CPE. 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:12 PM
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Have they produced a product that can pass 1Gbps full-duplex with a -92
signal in a NLOS environment?

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Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe?

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> 
> Whooa  - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile
> all over!
> 
> Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight
Zone!!
> 
> Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and
> wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in
a
> day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!!
> 
> 
> 
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> Authorized Barracuda Reseller
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RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

[G.Villarini]

Mmmm they sold the company to Motorola?

...ducking...

Gino A. Villarini, 
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Whooa  - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile 
all over!

Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!!

Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and 
wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a 
day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!! 



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RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

[G.Villarini]

Classic SM's associated with Advantage APs can get 14 mbps throughput but
only on burst, it won't be sustained.  So The Sm's will get full bandwidth
for x amount of data bitsAdvantage SM's get sustained thoughput and CIR
configurations

Gino A. Villarini, 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:50 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

That raises a question that I have been wondering. Since your running
advantage APs and non-advantage SM's do you still get 14mbps throughput
on the AP but each subscriber can only receive 7mbps throughput. So your
delivering 14mbps throughput to your group of associations? Or since
your only running non-advantage sm's does the ap only deliver 7mbps
throughput to the entire group?

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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Nop, just regular sm's

Gino A. Villarini, 
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787.273.4143


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Are you using advanced sm's too? 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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We have Advantage APs , so we get 14 Mbps out of the System

Gino A. Villarini, 
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What throughput do you get on these things?

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Do some shopping and you can buy SM's for about $250 or less... start at
ebay, The new SM lite has a MRSP of $200 on 25 packs, usually you can
get a
17 - 20 % discount from most Distributors.  

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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Really?? What models? We only use 5.8GHz and when we looked at Canopy in
the
past they where expensive and had limited throughput. 

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Canopy isn’t economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less...
and
now the SM lite is out around $175.  It’s a tough call not to use
Canopy.

Gino A. Villarini, 
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few
times
and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output
(still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain
why
others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with
little to no problems.

Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at
present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a
little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may
help on
my quest?


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Ah..Lets do some math...

Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output.  For this exam

RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

[G.Villarini]

Nop, just regular sm's

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:07 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Are you using advanced sm's too? 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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We have Advantage APs , so we get 14 Mbps out of the System

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

What throughput do you get on these things?

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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Do some shopping and you can buy SM's for about $250 or less... start at
ebay, The new SM lite has a MRSP of $200 on 25 packs, usually you can
get a
17 - 20 % discount from most Distributors.  

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:09 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Really?? What models? We only use 5.8GHz and when we looked at Canopy in
the
past they where expensive and had limited throughput. 

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Sent: 18 January 2006 10:53
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Canopy isn’t economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less...
and
now the SM lite is out around $175.  It’s a tough call not to use
Canopy.

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few
times
and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output
(still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain
why
others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with
little to no problems.

Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at
present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a
little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may
help on
my quest?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Ah..Lets do some math...

Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output.  For this example there is no 
line loss.  The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation.  Here we
go...

+20 dB
-30dB xpole
=
-10 dB receive level. 

In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the 
opposite polarityNo???

Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should 
have receiver blocking... 

-B-




Matt Liotta wrote:

> Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of 
> attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. 
> Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough 
> attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably.
>
> -Matt
>
> Jason Wallace wrote:
>
>> List,
>>
>> When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only "see" 
>> each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves).  However, when they

>> are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling.  
>> Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large 
>> satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between 
>> adjacent channels).  I think you will always have trouble overloading

>> the receiver when transmitting with this setup.
>
>
>


-- 
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Lakeland Communications, Inc.
Broa

RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

[G.Villarini]

We have Advantage APs , so we get 14 Mbps out of the System

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:09 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

What throughput do you get on these things?

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Sent: 18 January 2006 14:50
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Do some shopping and you can buy SM's for about $250 or less... start at
ebay, The new SM lite has a MRSP of $200 on 25 packs, usually you can get a
17 - 20 % discount from most Distributors.  

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:09 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Really?? What models? We only use 5.8GHz and when we looked at Canopy in the
past they where expensive and had limited throughput. 

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Behalf Of G.Villarini
Sent: 18 January 2006 10:53
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Canopy isn’t economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less... and
now the SM lite is out around $175.  It’s a tough call not to use Canopy.

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


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Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times
and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output
(still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why
others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with
little to no problems.

Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at
present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a
little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on
my quest?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Ah..Lets do some math...

Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output.  For this example there is no 
line loss.  The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation.  Here we go...

+20 dB
-30dB xpole
=
-10 dB receive level. 

In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the 
opposite polarityNo???

Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should 
have receiver blocking... 

-B-




Matt Liotta wrote:

> Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of 
> attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. 
> Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough 
> attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably.
>
> -Matt
>
> Jason Wallace wrote:
>
>> List,
>>
>> When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only "see" 
>> each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves).  However, when they 
>> are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling.  
>> Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large 
>> satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between 
>> adjacent channels).  I think you will always have trouble overloading 
>> the receiver when transmitting with this setup.
>
>
>


-- 
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Lakeland Communications, Inc.
Broadband Deployment Group
1350 Lincoln Avenue
Holbrook, New York 11741 USA
800-479-9195 Toll Free US & Canada
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RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

[G.Villarini]

Do some shopping and you can buy SM's for about $250 or less... start at
ebay, The new SM lite has a MRSP of $200 on 25 packs, usually you can get a
17 - 20 % discount from most Distributors.  

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


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Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:09 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Really?? What models? We only use 5.8GHz and when we looked at Canopy in the
past they where expensive and had limited throughput. 

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Sent: 18 January 2006 10:53
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Canopy isn’t economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less... and
now the SM lite is out around $175.  It’s a tough call not to use Canopy.

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times
and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output
(still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why
others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with
little to no problems.

Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at
present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a
little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on
my quest?


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Ah..Lets do some math...

Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output.  For this example there is no 
line loss.  The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation.  Here we go...

+20 dB
-30dB xpole
=
-10 dB receive level. 

In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the 
opposite polarityNo???

Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should 
have receiver blocking... 

-B-




Matt Liotta wrote:

> Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of 
> attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. 
> Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough 
> attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably.
>
> -Matt
>
> Jason Wallace wrote:
>
>> List,
>>
>> When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only "see" 
>> each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves).  However, when they 
>> are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling.  
>> Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large 
>> satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between 
>> adjacent channels).  I think you will always have trouble overloading 
>> the receiver when transmitting with this setup.
>
>
>


-- 
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Lakeland Communications, Inc.
Broadband Deployment Group
1350 Lincoln Avenue
Holbrook, New York 11741 USA
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RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

[G.Villarini]

Canopy isn’t economic viable? Hmmm you can buy SM's @ $250 or less... and
now the SM lite is out around $175.  It’s a tough call not to use Canopy.

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:43 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Bob, I hear what you're saying and have been through the figures a few times
and even tried turning the power of the radio cards down to 1dB output
(still unable to run both links simultaneously) but this doesn't explain why
others are able to use the same radio cards with similar antennas with
little to no problems.

Charles, unfortunately Canopy isn't a financially viable solution at
present. I have a rough idea of these 2 terms but I'll research them a
little deeper to see if they shed some light. Anything else that may help on
my quest?


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: 18 January 2006 00:25
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Ah..Lets do some math...

Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output.  For this example there is no 
line loss.  The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation.  Here we go...

+20 dB
-30dB xpole
=
-10 dB receive level. 

In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the 
opposite polarityNo???

Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should 
have receiver blocking... 

-B-




Matt Liotta wrote:

> Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of 
> attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. 
> Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough 
> attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably.
>
> -Matt
>
> Jason Wallace wrote:
>
>> List,
>>
>> When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only "see" 
>> each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves).  However, when they 
>> are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling.  
>> Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large 
>> satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between 
>> adjacent channels).  I think you will always have trouble overloading 
>> the receiver when transmitting with this setup.
>
>
>


-- 
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Lakeland Communications, Inc.
Broadband Deployment Group
1350 Lincoln Avenue
Holbrook, New York 11741 USA
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RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

[G.Villarini]

Mmm let me guess, he started with wavelan or probably lucent Orinoco
ended up with Trango and / or Canopy before he sold out... for Millions!

I started with Raylink... ended up with Canopy

Gino A. Villarini, 
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:12 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Charles,

What equipment did you use to build up your WISP? Also what did you
start with and what did you end up with?

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:55 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

Hi,

I would recommend that you do some research on the terms "dynamic range"
and
"front-end compression" as it relates to your particular hardware /
radio
platform.  Understanding those terms / concepts will give you the
understanding you need to make your "homebrew" system work

Otherwise, if you want to just "plug and pray" your network -- you're
better
off probably just buying quality name brand products that have enough
built-in "safeties" to let one just mindlessly deploy

-Charles

P.S. -- although I happen to have an understanding of Rf theory, HAM
stuff,
and Radio engineering, when I ran my WISP, I found that in the long run,
it
made better business sense to subscribe to a "lazy" WISP "plug-and-pray"
mentality due to the fact that I liked knowing that I could focus my
core
efforts on sales, marketing and customer service.  From a deployment
side, I
could just put some stuff up and have the ability to blame all my system
mishaps on my friendly manufacturer / vendor =)


---
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March 13-15, 2006
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Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna


Ah..Lets do some math...

Lets say the radio has a +20 dB output.  For this example there is no 
line loss.  The antenna is rated at 30dB x-pole isolation.  Here we
go...

+20 dB
-30dB xpole
=
-10 dB receive level. 

In my book that is high enough to kill any link of the same freq on the 
opposite polarityNo???

Add to that a radio that needs to Rx and Tx on and off and you should 
have receiver blocking... 

-B-




Matt Liotta wrote:

> Depending on various factors, you should see at least 15db of
> attenuation between polarizations on a dual-pol antenna. 
> Theoretically, you should see 20db. In any case, 15db is enough 
> attenuation even on the same channel to operate two links reliably.
>
> -Matt
>
> Jason Wallace wrote:
>
>> List,
>>
>> When antennas are separated by normal distances, they can only "see"
>> each other electromagnetically (ie, radio waves).  However, when they

>> are close they will experience capacitive and inductive coupling.  
>> Dual pol antennas work fine when only receiving (as in those large 
>> satellite dishes from the 80's that used 90° pol changes between 
>> adjacent channels).  I think you will always have trouble overloading

>> the receiver when transmitting with this setup.
>
>
>


-- 
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Lakeland Communications, Inc.
Broadband Deployment Group
1350 Lincoln Avenue
Holbrook, New York 11741 USA
800-479-9195 Toll Free US & Canada
631-585-5558 Fax
516-551-1131 Cell

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RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

[G.Villarini]

I bet she's a handful... I got 2 boys...5 and 1 years old... oh man and I
thought wisp was thought business Jeje see you at Winog

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466

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Subject: RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

>Hey Charles ... long time no see ... any winog on 2006 ?

Hi Gino

Been Extremely Busy: http://www.winog.com/austin_2006/kaili_wu.jpg
Now that she FINALLY sleeps through the night, I'm able to start actually
concentrating and focusing at work again, and yes, WiNOG this year will be
from March 13-15, 2006 in Austin, TX

-Charles

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RE: Re[2]: [WISPA] Virtual AP

[G.Villarini]

Since when kismet scans and shows proprietary wireless protocols ?

Gino A. Villarini, 
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I've never played around with Kismet...does it show Trango?

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> Hello Brett,
>
> But it does show up in Kismet.
>
> Barry
>
> Thursday, December 29, 2005, 10:52:01 AM, you wrote:
>
>
>
> BH> I still rest better at night knowing my network  doesn't show
> BH> up in every teenager's copy of Netstumbler..
>
>
> BH> - Original Message - 
>
> BH> From:  Blair Davis
>
> BH> To: WISPA General List
>
> BH> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:43AM
>
> BH> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>
>
> BH> The downside of proprietary systems is the being 'held
> BH> hostage'to the one manufacture As some of us have already
> BH> discovered.
>
> BH> And just because you have a network based on 'proprietary
> BH> system', don't think you are 'safe'. You arenot.
>
> BH> Blair
>
> BH> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> BH> I did it to expose the problems associated with 802.11b/g which is a
> BH> technology that was NOT designed for what it is being used for today. 
> I
> BH> think several people on the list realized what tricks can be done with
> BH> the SSID and now they are smarter because I posted it. The whole point
> BH> of the post is that you need to use a proprietary solution that was
> BH> designed for WISP usage. If you were a professional WISP you would be
> BH> using such solution and thus YOU and YOUR customers would not be 
> subject
> BH> to someone doing this to you.
>
>
>
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RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)

[G.Villarini]

Tom,

How do you think 70 ghz gear will cost pennies and help us? For a 1 mile ptp
link you need 4 ft dishes on each end, I cant imagine this working for us in
ptp or ptmp ...

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really
need)

Bob made a good point regarding contracts.

Use the you can serve them today, to your advantage, and lock them in. 
Charge install fees because you can, so yoour gear is paid for by the time 
FIOS does come, and you are in the position to be your most competitive.
My view is that it is a time stall situation. Wireless gear is evolving. Its

jsut a matter of time before 70 Ghz GB gear can be had for pennies. Maybe 
not this year, but sooner or later it will. When FIOS is a real threat to 
Wireless, thats when the GB wireless manufacturers will start to lower their

prices, because it is what they'll need to do to sell gear.
Make sure your antenna colocation agreements on every sub's building allows 
for a second antenna, so when you can afford to go GB broadband, you can do 
so without delay from landlords.

Verizon has been advertising FIOS hard in our markets to, but its been over 
6 month for some, since advertsied and no FIOS. FIOS is expensive to 
buildout, and they need a certain number of pre-signed up subscribers to do 
it. Its hard to convince people to get rif of their satelite and cabled TV. 
There is security in not being locked down to a signle provider for ALL 
services. I can see it now, someone gets behind on their phone bill, and all

a sudden the TV gets turned off, the broadband gets turned off, and the 
PHONE.

IF you wait until FIOS is installed and then try to compete you won't be 
able to. The goal is to scoop up the clients before its available.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really 
need)


>
> Right.  Unless there's a technology upgrade soon in the 2 / 5 gig areas, 
> we're going to
> need something else to compete...
>
> I have a 20 meg feed right now, and it's about 1.5 meg average...  But to 
> no customers can
> I deliver more than 10 meg to without a fortune in hardware
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:43 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really 
> need)
>
> I can get a 100Mbps or 200Mbps feed today at very good pricing (what I 
> would pay for a T1 5 years ago :-)) but the problem I see it
> is delivering 15+Mbps in a PtMP setup
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of Rick Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:28 PM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they
>> really need)
>>
>>
>> And that's why having them sealed into a contract like Bob believes in
>> protects you :)
>>
>> Won't be long before YOU can get that feed (maybe from another ISP) as
>> well and start feeding it into wireless shtuff
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:21 PM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they
>> really need)
>>
>> I agree, most sub's use about 1Mbps to 2Mbps if they very active
>> downloading content (ftp, streaming, and some p2p) (I limit p2p on my
>> system but allow some
>> bursts) other traffic is not limited
>>
>> But when trying to sell a customer will go and say hey I can get
>> 15Mbps from verizon for $50 and only XX from  you
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>> > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:15 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they
>> > really need)
>> >
>> > Seriously, how much does a sub use anyway?  If you keep control over
>> > p2p, how much are they really going to take anyway?  Anyone got 
>> > numbers?
>> >
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> > >Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting
>> > >close and reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out
>> > >this pricing - the
>> > 15Mbps
>> > >for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough
>> > >to beat, currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about
>> > >20Mbps to t

RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?

[G.Villarini]

With the 12K you can put 2 38 ghz links and have lots of spare change

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?

Agreed, but if you can do it for 2 grand why spend 12?  If the ebay 
radios are reliable, then skip the fiber in my opinion.  Might as well 
take the 10 grand that is left over and install another 25 subs.  ;)

George wrote:

> I do not believe you laying fiber is at all a bad sign to your customers.
> You have been on the cutting edge of technology with wireless, why 
> would you not do the fiber to continue on with your cutting edge 
> technology deployment.
>
> It almost sounds like you believe wireless is better than fiber, but 
> we all know fiber/wireless is the end game.
>
> If you are fiber and wireless, you are the cutting edge leader.
>
> My opinion.
>
> George
>
>
>
> John Scrivner wrote:
>
>> I need some feedback from the collective.  I am looking for a 
>> backhaul radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at 
>> this location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 
>> meg full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be 
>> under $8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? 
>> I can lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but 
>> I think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed 
>> broadband wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential 
>> customers when Charter is going all over town selling fiber 
>> connections. I welcome your feedback.
>> Scriv
>>
>
>

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RE: [WISPA] Anyone in the NJ area that knows Canopy ?

[G.Villarini]

Rick,  did you swaped the AP ? maybe the problem lies there, My longest nlos
shot is 17 miles ... going strong

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:14 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Anyone in the NJ area that knows Canopy ?


For ?   Going to Moto ?  Beginning to believe that...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone in the NJ area that knows Canopy ?

Serve's ya right!  :-P

-B-

Rick Smith wrote:

>Wanna have lunch ?  I'll take ya on a tour of my network.
>
>I'd like to have someone else come take a look at the stuff I'm pullin my
hair out on with Canopy.
>
>All I get from Tech Support is "We don't support NLOS at 8 miles"
>
>WELLL...  I can SEE the tower... I've got 99% LOS No connection...
>
>
>For these lists, A little history:
>
>I've got a tower in northern NJ, canopy AP / omni installed at top, 200'.
Nothing obstructing.  Running on 918mhz.   Veritcal omni
from pac wireless - od9-11.
>
>Pretty clear survey (very little noise)
>
>At 8 miles out, is my father's house, and a tower we're renting space on
soon. (Big ole AT&T monster).
>
>I cannot, for the LIFE of me, get a successful connection to either of
those places, with a canopy SM and 15dbi yagi.   Very little
noise at the SM end, as well.
>
>I've been around and around with canopy techs, and all they keep claiming
is "Oh, this is near / non line of sight ?   Forget it.
We're not allowed to waste our time on that because it's not supported"
>
>I've been a long time Trango user, and a connection like this in Trango
experience is a SLAM dunk.When saying that to canopy
techs, I get "we're not allowed to comment on third party gear" and I reply
"I'm not asking you to, I'm asking you to explain why
CANOPY gear sucks this bad!"  hehe.
>
>Is trango just that much better at dealing with fresnel incursion, or
trees, or whatever ?   When canopy techs are asked why I
can't get a connection at 8 miles through 2 saplings, they say because NLOS
situations are test and see situations.  Some will work
and some won't.  OK, I can see that... But which WILL if these don't?
>
>Anyhow, just wonderin if there's someone with canopy experience in my area
that I could buy lunch / dinner...
>
>R
>
>
>  
>


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Broadband Deployment Group
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RE: [WISPA] DS3 to Ethernet Converters

[G.Villarini]

Here are some 6 ports units

http://cgi.ebay.com/Net-To-Net-DNE4500-6DC-Ethernet-to-DS3-T3-Converter_W0QQ
itemZ5837756909QQcategoryZ86726QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:15 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] DS3 to Ethernet Converters

I just ordered 2 of those PCOM links. I will report how they do for us. 
I need some DS3 to Ethernet Converters. What is my best source on these?
Thanks,
Scriv

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RE: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?

[G.Villarini]

John ,

Youre best and cheap option here is a 38 ghz lic. Backhaul.  For around
$1000 or less you can buy the whole DS3 link with antennas, youll need to
buy a pair of DS3 to Ethernet converters if you want Ethernet (around $1500
or less for the pair).  The license lease is around $500 anually

This will give you a full duplex 45 mbps link with a 1 - 2 ms round trip
delay

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:09 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?

I need some feedback from the collective.  I am looking for a backhaul 
radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this 
location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg full 
or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under $8K or 
so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can lay fiber 
for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I think laying 
fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband wireless 
provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers when Charter 
is going all over town selling fiber connections. I welcome your feedback.
Scriv

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[WISPA] RIP Vivato

[G.Villarini]

Another one bytes the dust …

 

http://www.vivato.net/

 

Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: [WISPA] VoIP - Alternativa para Redução de Cus tos em Telecomunicações

[G.Villarini]

Title: VoIP - 2006








Its not Spanish … its Portuguese …

 



Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.aeronetpr.com

787.767.7466











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005
10:11 AM
To: 'WISPA
 General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] VoIP -
Alternativa para Redução de Custos em Telecomunicações



 

OOPS!  I allowed this post to flow through
my moderation.  I don’t speak Spanish (very good) so I thought it was a
reply to a post.  I normally would not have allowed a post like this through.

Respectfully,



Rick Harnish

President

OnlyInternet
Broadband & Wireless, Inc.

260-827-2482
Office

260-307-4000
Cell

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RE: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

[G.Villarini]

Canopy 900 have a n male connector on a 12 inch pigtail ... wepeee!!!

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

Not sure what a Canopy 900 su looks like but a Trango 900 SU needs 
something to to adapt up to a N connector and the Yagis I use don't have 
any cable attached to them.

George


G.Villarini wrote:
> Huh?
> 
> They are included ...
> 
> Gino A. Villarini, 
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.aeronetpr.com
> 787.767.7466
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of George
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:46 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
> 
> Plus the piggy or cable and connectors.
> 
> George
> 

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RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

[G.Villarini]

Hey Charles ... long time no see ... any winog on 2006 ?

Gino A. Villarini, 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:26 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices


You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating 
the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a 
volume club.


We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and
getting a T1 line

Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest
to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing)
than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP

Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group
faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the
buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will
require cash up front for the purchase

So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses
Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500
pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake)
Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff
Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to
repackage / ship stuff

On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing
the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things
that always happen in deployments (e.g.,  lightning, customers don't sign
on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town)

So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units

Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative fee /
margin to compensate)

In the meantime, either

1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy line, and all
WISPA members now wanting the new lower price (therefore causing a huge
loss)
2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new "flavor of the
month" and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/ $100k
worth of boat anchors

-Charles


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RE: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

[G.Villarini]

Huh?

They are included ...

Gino A. Villarini, 
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www.aeronetpr.com
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

Plus the piggy or cable and connectors.

George

G.Villarini wrote:
> $100 for a 900 antenna? Yikes man were are buying?  I buy 11 db yagis for
> around $40 , 15 db for $60 and 17db for $80
> 
> Gino A. Villarini, 
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.aeronetpr.com
> 787.767.7466
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:22 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices
> 
> we're talking 900 mhz, right? I don't use Moto 2.4 or 900 mhz stuff. 
> never tried 2.4 and the 900 mhz didn't work for me - but it was a press. 
> some 15 miles with NLOS so.. it could have been a path too challanging 
> even for 900 mhz.
> 
> $295 for a 900 mhz radios is very good. You still have to add $100 for a 
> 900 mhz antenna. I've stayed away from 900 mhz mostly because of the 
> learning curve and additional spectrum/antenna considerations. They are 
> much bigger of course than 5.7 or 5.7 antennas/reflectors for the same 
> gain, but that's obvious.
> 
> Still $260 for 5.7 ghz radio with spectrum analyzer built-in, audio tone 
> alignment, weights a few ounces, goes a few megabits / second, supports 
> vlan tagging, dhcp / nat / shoulder-spectrums / has snmp / is supported 
> by a network mass-firmware upgrade program (yes, its really crap, but at 
> least its *there*). I could easily do remote upgrades of 30 units at a 
> time without headache to move to new featured firmware - live, online, 
> no crap-outs...
> 
> Like I said, it isn't for everyone, that's for sure. It just was for me.
> 
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> 
> 
>>I've never done business with them either, but their 100 pack prices 
>>is 295 each for connectorized.  Cheaper then some "roll your own".
>>
>>A. Huppenthal wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I'm not a supplier, nor do I want to be one to the list, nor do I 
>>>want to research on behalf of the list.
>>>
>>>google:
>>>motorola canopy SM bulk 100 pack.
>>>
>>>I picked the first couple of hits that showed prices.. That's it.
>>>
>>>I don't do business with Double Radius, so I wouldn't know.
>>>
>>>Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>432631  Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber ModulesBP9000SM-50
> 
> 
>>>>$26,250 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Double Radius has 25 pack for  : $8,500.00  double to 50 pack and it 17k
>>>>
>>>>Will you please tell me who the Canopy major supplier is so I can 
>>>>avoid at all costs.
>>>>
>>>>The 100 pack is THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS cheaper at double radius.  
>>>>HOLY CRAP!
>>>>
>>>>Unless I am reading something wrong...
>>>>
>>>>http://www.doubleradius.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.81/.f
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A. Huppenthal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I think WISPA has expressed its disinterest in a 'buying club'. 
>>>>>However, if members on this list want to organize a 'buying club' - 
>>>>>I'm all for it. Its clearly one of the reasons you will get your 
>>>>>ass kicked by the telco and cable company - they have buying power 
>>>>>and can get what you want and buy in 10s and 20s  for 1/2 the price.
>>>>>
>>>>>Next to FCC, my biggest concern is that my *COSTS* are higher than 
>>>>>Telco and Cable. Aside from the totally defunct Anti-trust activity 
>>>>>of our government, *COSTS* are going to kill WISPs off. Hardware is 
>>>>>a part of that overall model. The rest of the costs are contained 
>>>>>in my business.. and I'm happy to talk about that with other WISPs 
>>>>>at the *first* WISPA meeting.  In fact, I'd likely talk about it at 
>>>>>ISPCON as well. (would be my third talk there). Our industry really 
>>>>>needs to pull together to achieve higher efficiencies (how to run a 
>>>>>WISP), better pricing (buying power), improved governmental rul

RE: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

[G.Villarini]

$100 for a 900 antenna? Yikes man were are buying?  I buy 11 db yagis for
around $40 , 15 db for $60 and 17db for $80

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 6:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: WAS [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices

we're talking 900 mhz, right? I don't use Moto 2.4 or 900 mhz stuff. 
never tried 2.4 and the 900 mhz didn't work for me - but it was a press. 
some 15 miles with NLOS so.. it could have been a path too challanging 
even for 900 mhz.

$295 for a 900 mhz radios is very good. You still have to add $100 for a 
900 mhz antenna. I've stayed away from 900 mhz mostly because of the 
learning curve and additional spectrum/antenna considerations. They are 
much bigger of course than 5.7 or 5.7 antennas/reflectors for the same 
gain, but that's obvious.

Still $260 for 5.7 ghz radio with spectrum analyzer built-in, audio tone 
alignment, weights a few ounces, goes a few megabits / second, supports 
vlan tagging, dhcp / nat / shoulder-spectrums / has snmp / is supported 
by a network mass-firmware upgrade program (yes, its really crap, but at 
least its *there*). I could easily do remote upgrades of 30 units at a 
time without headache to move to new featured firmware - live, online, 
no crap-outs...

Like I said, it isn't for everyone, that's for sure. It just was for me.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

> I've never done business with them either, but their 100 pack prices 
> is 295 each for connectorized.  Cheaper then some "roll your own".
>
> A. Huppenthal wrote:
>
>> I'm not a supplier, nor do I want to be one to the list, nor do I 
>> want to research on behalf of the list.
>>
>> google:
>> motorola canopy SM bulk 100 pack.
>>
>> I picked the first couple of hits that showed prices.. That's it.
>>
>> I don't do business with Double Radius, so I wouldn't know.
>>
>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>
>>> 432631  Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber ModulesBP9000SM-50

>>> $26,250 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Double Radius has 25 pack for  : $8,500.00  double to 50 pack and it 17k
>>>
>>> Will you please tell me who the Canopy major supplier is so I can 
>>> avoid at all costs.
>>>
>>> The 100 pack is THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS cheaper at double radius.  
>>> HOLY CRAP!
>>>
>>> Unless I am reading something wrong...
>>>
>>> http://www.doubleradius.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.81/.f
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A. Huppenthal wrote:
>>>
 I think WISPA has expressed its disinterest in a 'buying club'. 
 However, if members on this list want to organize a 'buying club' - 
 I'm all for it. Its clearly one of the reasons you will get your 
 ass kicked by the telco and cable company - they have buying power 
 and can get what you want and buy in 10s and 20s  for 1/2 the price.

 Next to FCC, my biggest concern is that my *COSTS* are higher than 
 Telco and Cable. Aside from the totally defunct Anti-trust activity 
 of our government, *COSTS* are going to kill WISPs off. Hardware is 
 a part of that overall model. The rest of the costs are contained 
 in my business.. and I'm happy to talk about that with other WISPs 
 at the *first* WISPA meeting.  In fact, I'd likely talk about it at 
 ISPCON as well. (would be my third talk there). Our industry really 
 needs to pull together to achieve higher efficiencies (how to run a 
 WISP), better pricing (buying power), improved governmental rules 
 (FCC and others through a louder voice).


 I don't specifically reccomend any of this equipment. Get some and 
 figure out if it works for you on your own dime. :-)

 Want a relevent example: a single 900 Mhz Subscriber Unit = $725. 
 Buy 500 and get them at $444 instead.

 Here's an off-the-shelf price list from a Canopy major supplier.



 432679 900 Mhz Access Point9000AP  $1,895
 427612 900 Mhz Access Point AES9001AP  $2,395
 498606 900 Mhz Access Point Connectorized (External antenna)  
 9000APC$1,855 
 487642 900 Mhz Access Point AES Connectorized (External 
 antenna)   9001APC $2,355 
 432631 Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber ModulesBP9000SM-50

 $26,250 
 452650 Bulk Pack 100  900 MHz Subscriber Modules  
 BP9000SM-100   $47,500 
 459676 Bulk Pack 500  900 MHz Subscriber Modules
 BP9000SM-500   $222,500 
 460660 Bulk Pack 50  900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized  
 BP9000SMC-50   $24,250 
 467696 Bulk Pack 100  900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized 
 BP9000SMC-100  $43,500
 483635 Bulk Pack 500  900 MHz Subscriber Modules Connectorized  
 BP9000SMC-500  $202,500 
 433674 900 Mhz Subscriber Module   9000SM  $725 

RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell

[G.Villarini]

Yeah, I still can imagine why there are some wips still homebrewing gear
that ends up more expensive that wisp-engineered products on the market like
canopy, trango ect...

We were in a same spot with some 11b gear deployed in some areas... last
august we decided to just cough up some cash and  change all those subs
(100+) to Canopy best money spent, never looked back 

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 1:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell

Go get some Canopy client radios for $260 each, complete  - check the 
performance, ease to install and setup. We did homebrew for quite a 
while and it has its downside as we're seeing. Just my opinion. You get 
a nice spectrum analyzer built-in, 2 minute setup, 2 minute test once 
its placed. Audible signal strength - no pc needed on the ladder. There 
are lots of solutions. 5.2 / 5.7 ghz Moto stuff runs thousands of 
subscribers. I'm not affliated with Moto/Canopy and don't ask me to sell 
you anything.

Best wishes.

Mark Nash wrote:

> Thanks Rick.. I've heard alot about these WRAP boards.  Is this 
> something we would put together ourselves or are there products 
> available.  What are the costs like?  I guess I'd really be interested 
> in what I should be doing for CPE going on, assuming we can still get 
> the Turbocell licenses (see post from Blair Davis re: Winncomm 
> continuing to be able to sell Turbocell licenses).
>
> Mark Nash
> Network Engineer
> UnwiredOnline.Net
> 325 Holly Street
> Junction City, OR 97448
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.uwol.net
> - Original Message - From: "Rick Harnish" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:25 AM
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell
>
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Contact me offlist as we are successfully deploying WRAP boards with 
>> Compact
>> Flash loaded with Turbocell.  My pains are compounded about 4 times 
>> as I had
>> about 24 Turbocell POPs when this all started.
>>
>> Rick Harnish
>> President
>> OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.
>> 260-827-2482 Office
>> 260-307-4000 Cell
>> 260-918-4340 VoIP
>> www.oibw.net
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Mark Nash
>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:01 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell
>>
>> Hello to the list...
>>
>> My name is Mark Nash and I own & operate a little WISP of about 300
>> customers in Oregon.
>>
>> For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched to
>> Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turbocell.  Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim 
>> series of
>> mergers & acquisitions happened and I've got products from all 
>> companies but
>>
>> they are all Turbocell CPE.
>>
>> We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern 
>> Willamette
>> Valley).  We're using Trango backhauls...I started out using them simply
>> because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth.  I still have two 
>> in use
>>
>> from when the company was called Sunstream (I think it was 2002).  I 
>> remain
>> happy about that decision.
>>
>> We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we 
>> went
>> to a routed design.
>>
>> OK, so...there it is.  For those of you who know what's going on with
>> Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy 
>> as they
>> have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software.  So I will 
>> soon
>> have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around because I 
>> won't be
>>
>> able to purchase Turbocell-based devices.  That's the word from Proxim.
>> So...anyone heard any differently?  I've also asked Proxim if we can
>> 'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b and they are saying 'no'.
>>
>> It's a you-know-what sandwich from which I'd rather not take a bite.
>>
>> Does anyone feel my pain?  Any way around these issues aside from 
>> replacing
>> CPE?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> Network Engineer
>> UnwiredOnline.Net
>> 325 Holly Street
>> Junction City, OR 97448
>> http://www.uwol.net
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>>
>>
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RE: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect(WasEthernetbasedauthentication)

[G.Villarini]

That is why is so great to have a cpe that do nat routingdhcp client on
the rf , dhcp server on the Ethernet... router backwards...no problems!

Gino A. Villarini, 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 8:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to
Authenticate/Protect(WasEthernetbasedauthentication)

Yeah, until some lunkhead plugs his dsl router in backward.  As they do all 
the time around here

No thanks, no more DHCP troubles for me.  Been there done that.  Twice. 
Never again.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Lonnie Nunweiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect 
(WasEthernetbasedauthentication)


The same way you do it if you didn't run DHCP.  Use PPPoE, HotSpot,
static DHCP based on MAC, ACL for association at the AP, any number of
ways.

DHCP has little to do with authentication, although it can be a part
of the process.  What DHCP does is automate the user TCP settings so
that if you renumber your system in order to move to routing it is
painless to assign new numbers.  If you have to change DNS servers
then that is also easy.  Just change the DHCP config and within an
hour everybody is using the new DNS.

Don't run a network without it.  It is priceless.

Lonnie


On 12/6/05, Ron Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lonnie,
> So Lonnie, if I run DHCP, on my customers IP's, how do I authenticate
> the users.  I'm a real rookie at this.
> Ron Wallace
>  Original message 
> >Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:52:08 -0800
> >From: Lonnie Nunweiler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect (WasEthernet
> basedauthentication)
> >To: WISPA General List 
> >
> >If you take Marlon's advice and do not run DHCP then you get to have
> >that personal contact with each and every subscriber if you ever have
> >to change network settings.  With DHCP running it is real simple and
> >quick to edit the DHCP config and wait for the DHCP client renewal .
> >
> >My advice is completely the opposite.  Use DHCP for all of your
> >customers.  You will be happy you did and will mutter things when you
> >encounter someone who is not on DHCP.
> >
> >The personal contact is nice but what if you have several hundred
> >customers?  That is just a little too nice for my tastes.
> >
> >Lonnie
> >
> >On 12/6/05, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >> Don't run DHCP!  And use mac filtering at the ap's.  (I use the
> smartbridges
> >> ap's. they'll do radius and authenticate wireless subs just like my
> dialup
> >> ones.)
> >>
> >> Marlon
> >> (509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
> >> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> >> 42846865 (icq)And I run my own
> wisp!
> >> 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
> >> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> >> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 9:39 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect (WasEthernet
> >> basedauthentication)
> >>
> >>
> >> > Marlon,
> >> >
> >> >I appreciate the advice.  Mostly I am interested in bullet proof
> >> > authentication of my clients.  Any suggestions?
> >> >
> >> > Jason
> >> >
> >> > Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hiya Jason,
> >> >>
> >> >> You are mixing your networks  You won't normally run a
> homebrew
> >> >> product to provide a top notch service.
> >> >>
> >> >> If security is of THAT great an importance to you, you should NOT
> run
> >> >> wifi anything.  Put in something much more off the wall.  It's a
> lot
> >> >> harder to snoop if you don't use one of the world's most common
> >> >> protocols.
> >> >>
> >> >> For these business guys I'd run Trango or something like that.
> Good
> >> >> stuff but not nearly as much of it in use and no free tools on the
> >> >> internet for intercepting and cracking the data stream.
> >> >>
> >> >> What we do is remind our customers that this is the internet.
> They are
> >> >> hanging out there for thousands upon thousands of people who's
> only
> >> >> purpose in life is breaking into their machines and seeing what
> they can
> >> >> learn.  If they have data that's that sensitive then they need a
> high end
> >> >> internal firewall and they need to 

RE: [WISPA] canopy

[G.Villarini]

All Motorola Canopy 900 mhz integrated units are Horizontal...

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy

>the integrated 900 units are horizontal

Someone confirm this.

I was under the impression all Canopy 900 integrated units were verticle 
also, and NOT hortizontal.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy


> Ok, to clarify.  Moto does NOT make Vertical integrated units for 900mhz? 
> All of moto's 900 gear is horizontal.
>
>
> Next question.  900mhz sectors.  I was at the double radius site looking 
> through antennas.  This antenna
> http://www.tiltek.com/final/pdfs/TA-926H-4-120.pdf
> looks nice.  What's the quality and price of it compared to other 900 
> sectors?  It costs $525 for 3.
> With my setup, I am not looking for capacity, I am looking for maximum 
> coverage.  Would 3 120* sectors cover and penetrate the same area as using

> 6 60* integrated APs?  Or is the coverage of the 60* not enough of an 
> improvement to justify the cost of 1 site with 6 antennas vs 2 sites with 
> 3 on each?  I was thinking that the 60 x60 beam of the integrated units 
> cover more than the 120 x 19 of the sectors.  And then there is the 
> gain.
>
> Brian
> G.Villarini wrote:
>
>>Wait a sec, you talking 900 mhz? the integrated 900 units are
>>horizontal...both the ap and sm
>>
>>Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>www.aeronetpr.com
>>787.767.7466
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:36 AM
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy
>>
>>Ok, then to go horizontal an external antenna is required.  Which also 
>>means, one would never be able to use the Canopy integrated unit.
>>
>>Where do you Canopy users out there get your favorite 900 antennas at?
>>
>>G.Villarini wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Nop, just vertical
>>>
>>>Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>www.aeronetpr.com
>>>787.767.7466
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>>Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:22 AM
>>>To: wireless@wispa.org
>>>Subject: [WISPA] canopy
>>>
>>>is canopy horizontal and vertical like trango?  Software switchable?
>>>
>>>
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RE: [WISPA] canopy

[G.Villarini]

Wait a sec, you talking 900 mhz? the integrated 900 units are
horizontal...both the ap and sm

Gino A. Villarini, 
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www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy

Ok, then to go horizontal an external antenna is required.  Which also 
means, one would never be able to use the Canopy integrated unit.

Where do you Canopy users out there get your favorite 900 antennas at?

G.Villarini wrote:

>Nop, just vertical
>
>Gino A. Villarini, 
>Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:22 AM
>To: wireless@wispa.org
>Subject: [WISPA] canopy
>
>is canopy horizontal and vertical like trango?  Software switchable?
>  
>
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RE: [WISPA] canopy

[G.Villarini]

Nop, just vertical

Gino A. Villarini, 
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Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:22 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] canopy

is canopy horizontal and vertical like trango?  Software switchable?
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RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

[G.Villarini]

They're in a semi nlos situation, plus lots of noise we are pulling 200 mbps

Gino A. Villarini, 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:35 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

Hey Gino,

Are you using the Spectra's in a NLOS environment? If so, what sort
of obstructions are there and what kind of throughput can you get? Looking
to get a pair for a link but a bit expensive if they can't deliver.

Cheers,

P.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of G.Villarini
Sent: 11 October 2005 02:38
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

They only thing I haven't opened yet is my set of Orthogon Spectras ... too
expensive .. 

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 8:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

Ahhh you've never cracked one open to see what's inside?

Ask Gino, you have to take everything apart and see what makes it tick.

:)
George


Matt Liotta wrote:
> That's good to know if for no other reason than to use better coax 
> jumpers. It is really annoying that Trango uses RP-SMA connectors as 
> opposed to N.
> 
> -Matt
> 
> G.Villarini wrote:
> 
>> That's a easy mod, I have done it myself... Trango gear has a 2 mcx 
>> jacks on
>> the pcb ...
>>
> 

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RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

[G.Villarini]

I got you one!, get an ip based webcam like this one:

http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=17

thay have a dry contact switch controllable trough the web page

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

Well, I guess there is no reasonably priced unit out there that will do 
what I need and fit in the space allowed.

The comments on the list have shown me that there may be a demand for a 
unit like this.  I have decided to build my own.  I have also decided to 
make it available to others who might need it.

As part of this process, I am posting the planned specs and I am asking 
for additional ideas for features.

Specs:

Hardware

10baseT ethernet port for communication.
1-4 pair of RJ-45 pass thru jacks with lines 4 and 5 switched.
Each pass thru jack pair is independently switched
Relay(s) rated for up to 48VDC at 3A
Power available monitor for switched jack(s)
Unit powered via 5-12VDC

Software

Setup and controlled via web browser or telnet
Static IP with subnet and gateway
Programmable ping monitor for each relay
Selectable 'keep alive'  /  'I am here' ping
Adjustable power off delay
Adjustable power off time

Several things I am undecided about adding are:

Email notification of ping failure
Email notification of power available status change
Programmable, repeatable by time and date switching
(this requires a real time clock and/or automatic synchronization 
with a time server and might increase the costs)

One thing I will not add:

Switching 110/220AC.  This would add many requirements for testing and 
considerable legal liability.

The price should be under $100 each.

Questions?

Comments?

Interest?

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RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

[G.Villarini]

http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3

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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:02 PM
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Which model APC has Ethernet reboot for $80?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "G.Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:37 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot


> Realay control or AC?  Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet 
> port
> for remote reboot ... $80
>
> Gino A. Villarini,
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 787.767.7466
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Blair Davis
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:25 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot
>
> Hi all.
>
> I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller.
>
> It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a
> relay off or on remotely
>
> Oh, before I forget, cheap, too!
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> -- 
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>
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>
> A division of:
> Camp Communication Services, INC
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RE: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot

[G.Villarini]

Realay control or AC?  Cause APC has a cheap ups that's has a Ethernet port
for remote reboot ... $80

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:25 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] IP based Remote Reboot 

Hi all.

I'm looking for an IP based remote reboot or relay controller.

It must be small, controlled via http or telnet, and be able to turn a 
relay off or on remotely

Oh, before I forget, cheap, too!

Any ideas?


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West Michigan Wireless ISP
269-686-8648

A division of:
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RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

[G.Villarini]

Paul,  keep us posted, thi is really good input

Gino A. Villarini, 
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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 7:06 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

Tom,

You say that "connection tracking" is on. I advised you to turn this
of (i.e untick all the boxes in the connection tracking sub menu). To give
an example, we have a 28km link with WRAP's/CM9's/5.8GHz at each end. Signal
sits at around -71 (qual 24) and we hard set the rate on both end to 36.
With connection tracking completely turned of we get around 20mbps using the
StarOS built-in speed test.

Have just received some of the 2 port WAR boards with the slower CPU
and have spent the past day testing them. So far I am able to get about the
same throughput as a WRAP when setting the channel bandwidth to 5Mhz
(cloaking x4) and double that when set to 10Mhz (cloaking x2). Haven't
really tested them at normal 20Mhz or 40Mhz (turbo) as we have no intention
of using them at 20 or 40Mhz. I am in the process of setting up a test
environment with Mikrotik routers at each end of a StarVX link so I can run
the various types of bandwidth tests available in RouterOS. The link has
been set with the same signal levels as our 28km link so as to emulate it as
much as we can without having to set-up another 28km link and so far I have
seen 40mbps udp tests from Mikrotik to Mikrotik with 10Mhz bandwidth which
is pretty amazing. I think we could see even more but the 2 Mikrotik boxes
are running with CPU at 100% :( Once we've built some new test boxes I'll
post my results.

Cheers,

P.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: 10 October 2005 23:59
To: Lonnie Nunweiler; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

Oops...

I'm using 5.3G with 19 dbi antenna, estimating 2 db in cable loss, to meet 
legal 30db limit. At a half mile, we calculated it to be -54db, and at 1/4 
mile -48.

However, I was reading the power in station server wrong, I was reading the 
Ack strength instead of Data strength which were about 10 db different.  Any

reason for that? The data signal strength was actually reading about -60 db.

So yes, you are right, for a 1/4 mile there is about an unaccounted for 12 
db loss, unless I don't have the distance right.  I do have set at 1 mile in

driver.

However, low signal doesn't effect speed, my tech has a second radio on it 
now, at -53 db, and still maxes out at 12mbps.  I confirmed that CPU usage 
hits about 95% when testing, and connection tracking is on.  So appears to 
be CPU limited.

Anyone know how much loss to expect out of the PacWireless Rootenna pigtails

(ufl to SMA) and Wisp-router's 6Ghz certified 5" Ufl to N pigtails?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: "Lonnie Nunweiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532


300 yards with LOS with a signal of -70 dB?  That sure seems low.  You
either have another system real close or you have severe trouble with
antenna or cabling.  A Superpass 21 dB at that range would give you
-40 dB or better signals, assuming proper cabling.

Did you set the distance to a couple of miles?  I always figure out
the exact number and add 2 or 3 to it.  You can safely be over but to
be under limits throughput severely.

Lonnie



On 10/10/05, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just installed a link using CM9, Station Server, WRAP board, about 300
> yards away LOS, with only a single client so far on AP to SU mode.  The
> radios associated at 54 mbps, and about -70 db, with a quality of 24/29.
> All speed enhancement features enable, and encryption turned off.
>
> Using Station server throughput test, testing from AP, the RX was 13.6 
> mbps,
> and the TX was 9.1 mbps.
>
> I thought that was odd, because I thought the TX would be faster. (AP to 
> SU)
>
> This supported my estimates that 54 mbps Atheros card's top real 
> throughput
> (for 54 mbps) was about 14 mbps, in a best case scenario.   Then through 
> in
> longer range links, interference, hidden node (or CTS/RTS to cure),
> retransmissions, heavy use links, and before you know real throughput can 
> be
> much less than 10 mbps.  Asumming of course Turbo Mode won't be used to 
> hog
> up channels.
>
> My tech question is... Is this being limited by the Atheros chipset, or 
> the
> WRAP motherboard? If using the Mikrotik RB532 board with higher processing
> speed, can a single Atheros card transfer at a higher rate?
>
> For those interested
>
> My business decission question is:
>
> 1) If Atheros can't go higher than 10 mbps in real world PtMP and...
> 2) Trango

RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

[G.Villarini]

They only thing I haven't opened yet is my set of Orthogon Spectras ... too
expensive .. 

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 8:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

Ahhh you've never cracked one open to see what's inside?

Ask Gino, you have to take everything apart and see what makes it tick.

:)
George


Matt Liotta wrote:
> That's good to know if for no other reason than to use better coax 
> jumpers. It is really annoying that Trango uses RP-SMA connectors as 
> opposed to N.
> 
> -Matt
> 
> G.Villarini wrote:
> 
>> That's a easy mod, I have done it myself... Trango gear has a 2 mcx 
>> jacks on
>> the pcb ...
>>
> 

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RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

[G.Villarini]

That's a easy mod, I have done it myself... Trango gear has a 2 mcx jacks on
the pcb ...

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 5:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

Sounds like you just want an external antenna jack on the Access5830. If 
so, you might consider doing something similar to what the LastMileGear 
guys do with the Canopy 5.7 gear.

-Matt

Tom DeReggi wrote:

> I just installed a link using CM9, Station Server, WRAP board, about 
> 300 yards away LOS, with only a single client so far on AP to SU 
> mode.  The radios associated at 54 mbps, and about -70 db, with a 
> quality of 24/29. All speed enhancement features enable, and 
> encryption turned off.
>
> Using Station server throughput test, testing from AP, the RX was 13.6 
> mbps, and the TX was 9.1 mbps.
>
> I thought that was odd, because I thought the TX would be faster. (AP 
> to SU)
>
> This supported my estimates that 54 mbps Atheros card's top real 
> throughput (for 54 mbps) was about 14 mbps, in a best case scenario.   
> Then through in longer range links, interference, hidden node (or 
> CTS/RTS to cure), retransmissions, heavy use links, and before you 
> know real throughput can be much less than 10 mbps.  Asumming of 
> course Turbo Mode won't be used to hog up channels.
>
> My tech question is... Is this being limited by the Atheros chipset, 
> or the WRAP motherboard? If using the Mikrotik RB532 board with higher 
> processing speed, can a single Atheros card transfer at a higher rate?
>
> For those interested
>
> My business decission question is:
>
> 1) If Atheros can't go higher than 10 mbps in real world PtMP and...
> 2) Trango has fixed its short range packet loss problem (which they have)
> 3) Trango has new low pricing on Fox-D2 CPE (dropped $100 or so)
> 4) Trango has better testing tools
> 5) Trango avoids all the problems of 802.11 standard and home brew 
> that cost ISPs aggrevations (accept large packets 1600b, 
> pre-assembles, consistent availabilty, security, better remote 
> management, ARQ, etc),
>
> What reason would there be to use anything but Trango broadband, even 
> for small community projects?
>
> 802.11 Atheros gives you...
>
> 1) Mesh designs
> 2) Relay radio designs, multiple antennas/links per single unit, with 
> only a $50 cost per radio card added.
> 3) HotSpot, compatible with laptops built-in config.
> 4) Built in VLAN switch, when used with Mikrotik RB532&daughter card.
> 5) OMNI support, when 6 sector design not needed.
> 6) One radio to stock, that supports ALL Freqs, for easy on the fly 
> adaptabilty (pending antenna swap).
>
> #2 was good to reduce roof top colocation costs, by not needing to 
> discuss the need to install two radios with a landlord for roof top 
> approval.
>
> My recent interest, was for #4 and #5 for a small multi-building / 
> multi-tenant complex.
> I reduce AP costs, by using only one AP w/ OMNI (OK for short range), 
> apposed to Trango sector model. In a worse case scenario, where a 
> Trango 60 degree, would cover all MTUs based on edge of complex 
> placement, Mikrotik 802.11 would still save about $400 on the AP 
> side.  On the MTU side, I would normally pay $385 for 802.1q VLAN 
> switch (24 port) for EACH building, apposed to $99 additional for 
> Mikrotik RB daughter card (total of 9 ports including RB532).  Many 
> complexes have less than 8 subscribers per building. But if we use an 
> example of a 4 building project, the savings for a VLAN switch  would 
> add up quick to around $1100, and adding simplicity with maintenance 
> of only one device (the CPE/Router/VLAN combo) instead of two devices 
> (VLAN switch and CPE Router).  It also reduces costs for remote reboot 
> devices, as the Mikrotik has a hardware watch dog, where as a typical 
> VLAN switch would not.  We use WDS to accomplish VLAN support.  We use 
> VLAN support for several reasons.  1) it protects end users from 
> seeing other end users for security. 2) It allows us to more easilly 
> centrally bandwidth manage and route via VLAN (per customer), apposed 
> to paying attention to IPs and MACs which may have the need to change 
> over time, or may not be known in advance.   3) Prevents customer's 
> misconfigurations from effecting other users' links or router configs. 
> Because the traffic doesn't cross paths, it can't conflict. The 
> misconfigured client only gets effected.
>
> I will say, after all the time it has taken me to order, deploy, 
> figure out how to configure, and wait for equipment stalling 
> reocurring revenue, I'd argue I would have saved by just deploying 
> Trango and VLAN switches to the project.
>
> Another problem, is that if VLAN is used, its no longer possible to 
> use a Trango sector for both VLAN and non-VLAN custo

RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

[G.Villarini]

Change to Motorola Canopy ! ducking !

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

I just installed a link using CM9, Station Server, WRAP board, about 300 
yards away LOS, with only a single client so far on AP to SU mode.  The 
radios associated at 54 mbps, and about -70 db, with a quality of 24/29. 
All speed enhancement features enable, and encryption turned off.

Using Station server throughput test, testing from AP, the RX was 13.6 mbps,

and the TX was 9.1 mbps.

I thought that was odd, because I thought the TX would be faster. (AP to SU)

This supported my estimates that 54 mbps Atheros card's top real throughput 
(for 54 mbps) was about 14 mbps, in a best case scenario.   Then through in 
longer range links, interference, hidden node (or CTS/RTS to cure), 
retransmissions, heavy use links, and before you know real throughput can be

much less than 10 mbps.  Asumming of course Turbo Mode won't be used to hog 
up channels.

My tech question is... Is this being limited by the Atheros chipset, or the 
WRAP motherboard? If using the Mikrotik RB532 board with higher processing 
speed, can a single Atheros card transfer at a higher rate?

For those interested

My business decission question is:

1) If Atheros can't go higher than 10 mbps in real world PtMP and...
2) Trango has fixed its short range packet loss problem (which they have)
3) Trango has new low pricing on Fox-D2 CPE (dropped $100 or so)
4) Trango has better testing tools
5) Trango avoids all the problems of 802.11 standard and home brew that cost

ISPs aggrevations (accept large packets 1600b, pre-assembles, consistent 
availabilty, security, better remote management, ARQ, etc),

What reason would there be to use anything but Trango broadband, even for 
small community projects?

802.11 Atheros gives you...

1) Mesh designs
2) Relay radio designs, multiple antennas/links per single unit, with only a

$50 cost per radio card added.
3) HotSpot, compatible with laptops built-in config.
4) Built in VLAN switch, when used with Mikrotik RB532&daughter card.
5) OMNI support, when 6 sector design not needed.
6) One radio to stock, that supports ALL Freqs, for easy on the fly 
adaptabilty (pending antenna swap).

#2 was good to reduce roof top colocation costs, by not needing to discuss 
the need to install two radios with a landlord for roof top approval.

My recent interest, was for #4 and #5 for a small multi-building / 
multi-tenant complex.
I reduce AP costs, by using only one AP w/ OMNI (OK for short range), 
apposed to Trango sector model. In a worse case scenario, where a Trango 60 
degree, would cover all MTUs based on edge of complex placement, Mikrotik 
802.11 would still save about $400 on the AP side.  On the MTU side, I would

normally pay $385 for 802.1q VLAN switch (24 port) for EACH building, 
apposed to $99 additional for Mikrotik RB daughter card (total of 9 ports 
including RB532).  Many complexes have less than 8 subscribers per building.

But if we use an example of a 4 building project, the savings for a VLAN 
switch  would add up quick to around $1100, and adding simplicity with 
maintenance of only one device (the CPE/Router/VLAN combo) instead of two 
devices (VLAN switch and CPE Router).  It also reduces costs for remote 
reboot devices, as the Mikrotik has a hardware watch dog, where as a typical

VLAN switch would not.  We use WDS to accomplish VLAN support.  We use VLAN 
support for several reasons.  1) it protects end users from seeing other end

users for security. 2) It allows us to more easilly centrally bandwidth 
manage and route via VLAN (per customer), apposed to paying attention to IPs

and MACs which may have the need to change over time, or may not be known in

advance.   3) Prevents customer's misconfigurations from effecting other 
users' links or router configs. Because the traffic doesn't cross paths, it 
can't conflict. The misconfigured client only gets effected.

 I will say, after all the time it has taken me to order, deploy, figure out

how to configure, and wait for equipment stalling reocurring revenue, I'd 
argue I would have saved by just deploying Trango and VLAN switches to the 
project.

Another problem, is that if VLAN is used, its no longer possible to use a 
Trango sector for both VLAN and non-VLAN customers at the same time, because

large VLAN packets would get their would be no VLAN device on the Non-VLAN 
custoemrs to untag

In summary...

1) If Trango would add a third external connector option to their 5830AP 
line, like the 900APs, it would drastically reduce the justification of home

brew wifi, making it much more affordable to use Trango for these type 
projects.  It still wouldn't fix the VLAN cost reductions, b

RE: [WISPA] Covad to acquire NextWeb for $23M

[G.Villarini]

100 customers paying $49.95, wet-11 CPE's  NOT!!! :-)


Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Covad to acquire NextWeb for $23M

G.Villarini wrote:
> IIRC, Next web is a Axcellera shop . nice price tag for a unlicensed WISP.
> 
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini,
> 

Anyone know how many subs and what the annual revenue of Next web is?
George
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RE: [WISPA] Covad to acquire NextWeb for $23M

[G.Villarini]

IIRC, Next web is a Axcellera shop …
nice price tag for a unlicensed WISP.

 



Gino A. Villarini, 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From:
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12:22 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org;
isp-investor@isp-investor.com; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com
Subject: [WISPA] Covad to acquire
NextWeb for $23M



 

Some good industry news this morning
– adds some substance to WISP valuations.  We do work with both of
these companies so there’s some personal reward here.  Of course
that places us under confidentiality and limited in commentary. 


-Eric

 

Covad to acquire NextWeb for
$23 mln

Wed Oct 5, 2005 06:56 AM ET 

 

Oct 5 (Reuters) - Covad Communications Group
(DVW.A: Quote,
Profile,
Research)
, a provider of integrated voice and data communications, on Wednesday said it
agreed to acquire Internet provider NextWeb Inc. for about $23 million in cash
and stock. 

Covad also said it would assume $1.7 million in net debt under the
deal. 

 






"Our acquisition of NextWeb accelerates
Covad's entry into the emerging wireless broadband market," Covad Chief
Executive and President Charles Hoffman said in a statement. 

 

The deal, which includes $4 million in cash and $19 million in
Covad shares, is expected to close by the end of the year. 

Covad said a portion of its shares to be issued would be
restricted from sale in the open market for a period of time. 

 

Privately held NextWeb is California's
largest fixed-wireless service provider for business. 

 

Shares in Covad closed at $1.05 on Tuesday on the American Stock
Exchange. (Reporting by Renu Pariyadath in Bangalore)

 



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RE: [WISPA] 3' and larger 5.8Ghz dishes

[G.Villarini]

Pac wireless

Gino A. Villarini, 
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Any leads on where to get 3' and larger 5.8Ghz dishes without having to 
spend thousands of dollars?

-Matt
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RE: [WISPA] OSPF

[G.Villarini]

A router ?

Gino A. Villarini, 
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How can I setup the canopywireless using OSPF and partition this in areas
for different towerts?
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[WISPA] Nice Find ... remote TCP reboot for under $100...

[G.Villarini]

I stumble upon this nice item:

 

http://www.apcc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3#anchor1

 

Remote tcp (web based ) AC reboot, with ups backup and surge
suppression on AC and Data lines … not bad for $100 or so … I could
really use this on some small pops and Business Customers

 

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-27,GGLG:en&q=APC+Back%2DUPS+HS+500

 

Enjoy…

 

Gino A. Villarini, 

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[WISPA] Proxim Tsunami 60 link FS

[G.Villarini]

Used Proxim Tsunami 60 Link FS… off list if interested

 

Gino A. Villarini, 

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RE: [WISPA] Taking on an investor?

[G.Villarini]

I know of some investors that could provide you some capital, but the
capitol would be difficult to move from DC ... heheh  :-) I couldn't resist

Gino A. Villarini, 
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Any wisp's ever take on an investor? I'm looking to expand and wondering how
I
should handle a potential investor who is willing to provide some serious
capitol?

Thanks

Dan


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[WISPA] u seen this ?

[G.Villarini]

http://www.hawkingtech.com/products/productlist.php?CatID=36&FamID=80&ProdID=216

 

seems like a qos device 

 

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RE: [WISPA] The climb safe thread

[G.Villarini]

When I sleep, my legs are relaxed too...jeje

Gino A. Villarini, 
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Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:27 PM
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

>I would think the seat strap takes pressure off the leg straps.
>I'm thinking the leg straps is what cuts off the circulation.  Is
>this thinking correct?

It is not that the circulation is cut off.  Veins (the blood vessels
that move blood back to the heart) do not have the ability to move
blood without the muscles around them moving.  The veins in your
body have valves every so often that assist in moving the blood back
to the heart.  The problem described in the article is not a result
of blood flow being "cut off".  Rather, the problem described is one
where the muscles in your legs are inactive, and therefore, do not
force the blood back up to the heart.  This results in a lowered
volume of blood for available for the heart to pump.  In this
situation, your heart will "automatically" reduce the flow of blood
by slowing down.  As stated in the article, usually, this reduction
in blood flow will result in the victim fainting, which, for someone
on the ground, is a good thing, because a victim that is prone
(horizontal), gravity can get the blood (at least some of it) back
into the system, and the blood volume will increase.  HOWEVER, since
the vicitim is strapped into an upright position on a tower, this
does not occur, and gravity keeps the blood in the legs.

The thing to learn, for a tower climber, is that it is not a good
idea to let your legs "rest" by hanging from your positioning gear
with your legs completely inactive for extended periods.  By
"extended" here, I mean 2-4 minutes.  When I climb, I will sometimes
"relax" by allowing my legs to dangle below me for a few seconds.
For me, this is not a very comfortable position, but it is nice to
remove the pressure on my feet for a few seconds.

I find this article especially interesting, because when I was in
college, I was a pre-med student, and my "love" was circulatory
system studies.  :-)

-- 
Butch Evans
BPS Networks  http://www.bpsnetworks.com/
Bernie, MO
Mikrotik Certified Consultant
(http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html)

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RE: [WISPA] winog

[G.Villarini]

Any info on the backhaul bash would be appreciated... who won ?

Gino A. Villarini, 
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WISPA:

Good morning,

You are missing out on some very useful information from seasoned
Operators on a wide range of gear. It has been nice to hear the success
stories from the Canopy and Trango operators.  I have enjoyed the
comparison sessions on the Backhauls and 900 MHz gear.  Good advanced
information from what I have seen in the WISPNOG session.  There appears
to be good number in attendance.  

There has been no shortage of FREE delicious food.  

Park City is beautiful.

Good Job - Charles & Staff. 

WiNOG 3 - How about St. Louis, MO?

Best regards,

Jeff


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Any winog news ?

Gino

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RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)

[G.Villarini]

Ohhh ok, jeje!

Gino A. Villarini, 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM
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mylife)

Brian is 21.
Kurt is in high school.

Guess I mushed them together :)

George


G.Villarini wrote:
> 21 and high school? George, you flunked kindergarten 3 times ? :-)
> 
> Gino A. Villarini, 
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.aeronetpr.com
> 787.767.7466
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of George
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:22 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save
> mylife)
> 
> Brian :)
> Your only 21 years old, CONGRATS!
> 
> When I read about guys like you and Kurt , who is still in high school 
> and running a wisp, it makes me happy and proud of you guys that are 
> starting life embracing a business and making a go at it.
> 
> So keep up the hard work, someday you'll look back on this era of your 
> life and understand why your a success at what ever you will be doing
then.
> 
> I strongly believe in young people  getting involved and participating 
> in the business world.
> 
> It's a sign of independence and ingenuity, which is what drives the 
> American way.
> 
> Congrats again!
> 
> George
> 
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> 
>>Sure is nice to ask for advice and be insulted.  If you know so much 
>>about how I climb, tell me what I have done wrong.  Or start asking me 
>>trick questions that I'll answer wrong.  Than you may insult me.
>>

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RE: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save mylife)

[G.Villarini]

21 and high school? George, you flunked kindergarten 3 times ? :-)

Gino A. Villarini, 
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:22 AM
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mylife)

Brian :)
Your only 21 years old, CONGRATS!

When I read about guys like you and Kurt , who is still in high school 
and running a wisp, it makes me happy and proud of you guys that are 
starting life embracing a business and making a go at it.

So keep up the hard work, someday you'll look back on this era of your 
life and understand why your a success at what ever you will be doing then.

I strongly believe in young people  getting involved and participating 
in the business world.

It's a sign of independence and ingenuity, which is what drives the 
American way.

Congrats again!

George

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> Sure is nice to ask for advice and be insulted.  If you know so much 
> about how I climb, tell me what I have done wrong.  Or start asking me 
> trick questions that I'll answer wrong.  Than you may insult me.
> 
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[WISPA] winog

[G.Villarini]

Any winog news ?

Gino

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RE: [WISPA] RE: Question about Orthogon Systems

[G.Villarini]

Todd, you wont go wrong, but before you
make the purchase, your vendor should be able to use the link calculator to
give you a very close estimate of that particular link…just provide him
with the gps cords…

 



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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Lancaster
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:26
AM
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Subject: [WISPA] RE: Question
about Orthogon Systems



 



Hello,





 





I am very much considering considering purchasing a Orthogon
Gemeni lite system. I just wanted to ask if anyone else out there is using
these systems currently in nlos applications and if so how well does it really
work? 9 grand to find out is a rather expensive experiment. They claim you can
make links where you would think it is impossible. However what they claim and
what is true could very well be different as it is in so many other things in
life. Any input would be much appreciated.





 





Thanks,
Todd Lancaster








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