Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power company BPL trials)

[Jonathan Schmidt]

The power wiring in a building resembles a juniper bush which means that RF 
in the nest of wiring finds lots of antennae near a suitable wavelength that 
are “stubs” on the main trunks.



One can imagine that the various attempts to use that wire, as tempting as 
it seems to electricity, is not really a transmission line by RF but an 
opportunity as antennae.



As the map expands to the external wiring grid, there is a self-same 
replication.  Fractals come to mind.



Home Plug power is promoted to use “power wiring” as the medium of 
propagation.  It really does work well.  It’s low power seems to avoid 
interference with other services.  I’ve always been curious as to the real 
path the coupling takes…through the wire or crippled Wi-Fi-type via 
radiation coupling to near-by stubs…stub-to-stub.



Ham Radio is not the problem.  All the power-wire systems, like DSL, 
negotiate bands of frequencies that bypass strong interference.



The large scale use of power lines, as tempting as it seems at 60Hz, forgets 
that RF doesn’t propagate through the copper/aluminum but on the 
surface…just looking for a suitable or partially suitable stub with a lower 
radational impedence with which to jump off.



It’s been a mystery to me all these years as folks confuse in-conductor 
power with surface-conductor and short wavelength electromagnetic energy as 
being kissing cousins on a wire.



. . . j o n a t h a n







From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Clay Stewart
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 5:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power company 
BPL trials)



Funny to see this today. I was upgrading a customers equipment today who 
works for the Electric company that provided service for BPL here, until it 
failed.



He was telling me how they are still, after two years, finding and pulling 
the equipment off their poles and piling them up in a heap.



I would like to make a correction on A above. It was not a trail and it did 
not fail due to ham radio interference.



This one company walked away after failing due to the technology... after 
spending well over 130 million dollars of tax payer money. I would suggest 
twice that in order expenditures, such as the direct costs to our local 
Electric Cooperative company. The best speeds obtained were 4-5, but 90% or 
more was less then 400k!! Fact, I replaced many of these, including a 
manufacturer two blocks away from the BLP NOC, who had 300k D and 45k U!



The technological issues were plenty, but the reason they failed, went 
bankrupt, was because the business model did not match the technology 
reality. When a lightning storm came through, it would take out several 
relays which were used to bypass pole transformers. Then, not the ISP, but a 
certified electrician and line man had to do the repairs... usually several 
down a route at great expense. Storms were draining the money... until 
tornadoes in Alabama threw in the last straw... so many outages on poles 
combined with loss revenue... killed the company.



For that kind of money, a WISP could have built dozens of 110' towers across 
many counties and delivered many times the speed.



What a loss... what a waste... this is a hidden story where the funding 
(granting) agency should have been hung.



As for home automation... this stuff has been around for many years. Using 
Radio Shack control switches, I automated a home in the early 80s. I 
deautomated it in the early 90s before selling the house the reason... 
after a few short years, most control units had been fried from normal 
surges in the electric system (storms).





On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 9:49 AM, ralph  wrote:

I am writing this because I just read an old thread from around 9/20/13 on 
AFMUG in which BPL was being discussed.

I’m no longer on that list due to the amount of traffic, but I’d like to 
discuss it more here.





A.  The failed power company BPL trials were a unique technology. 
However the frequencies used were not compatible with both Amateur Radio and 
with International broadcasters. They were shut down due to much lobbying 
from both groups as well as several technical and economic challenges.   It 
also still required WiFi of some type to get the signal from the 
pole/transformer to the end user. Good riddance to them and their noisy 
interference!



B.  But the technology that has proven to be useful is more localized: 
Home Power Line Networking. Check out https://www.homeplug.org/home/



There is a lot of potential for us in these devices.





They originally began as “Home Plug” which carried data at up to at 14 Mbps 
back in 2001.



They have a newer, more robust standard called Homeplug AV and supposedly is 
good for 200 Mbps. We have tested them for a year and have been (or plan to 
be) experimenting with several applications:



1.  We do a lot of Marinas. We already have our WiFi 

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I had second thoughts immediately after I hit the “send” button.

. . . j o n a t h a n



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Steve Nedolast
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:22 PM
To: Tom Sharples; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router



A bulge is better.

Tom Sharples  wrote:



"If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic."

Maybe. But I wouldn't use that line until at least the third date ;-)

- Original Message -

From: Jonathan Schmidt <mailto:jeschm...@jeschmidt.com>

To: WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>

Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router



A trusted supplier also has suppliers who have suppliers.  We had over a 
dozen Princeton monitors that all quit within 6 months of each other after 4 
years.  As they piled up, one of our engineer-programmers had an epiphany 
that it might be one common problem…looking at the stack of monitors 6’ 
high.  It was caps, of course.



Opening them up, you could see the bulge in the top of one or two caps. 
There were 4 or 5 of the same kind and one or the other were blown in the 
first 3.  He got to the point where he could fix a monitor in 8 minutes…and 
we got them all back.  If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic.



This time it wasn’t the supplier.  They were all running a volt or two above 
the rating.  It was the designer.



. . . j o n a t h a n





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Steve Nedolast
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router



As well as samsung recently.

Blair Davis  wrote:

BTW, as a electronics teck, who still repairs DLP and Rear Projection TV's 
as a hobby, MikroTik ain't the only people who got bit by that capacitor 
issue...

You can add Thompson and Mitsubishi to the list as well.  Two of the big 
boys in electronics.

Like UBNT with the ToughCable, sometimes your trusted supplier s you.

Live and learn.

--

On 1/9/2013 8:02 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Ok. Now that I'm on a larger device than my phone let me elaborate.



Yes. Beta units are the same as what are shipping to distributors. Why would 
they be any different?  That wouldn't make any sense and would go against 
every previous beta Ubiquiti has ever done.



Being in Latvia RMAs with MT are a pain in the rear and take months to get 
completed - usually involving sending it direct yourself or back to your 
distributor who batches them back to Latvia.  With Ubiquiti, being US based, 
you just send the device back to SJ and you get a new one.



Support?  You must have a secret number for MT support. The only way I know 
to get support on MT is to go to the MT forums where you'll get beat up... 
And heaven forbid you find a bug.you'll get tarred and feathered. And 
certainly no discussion of competitors products on their forums because that 
would be a bad thing.   I think it speaks worlds that MT uses sometimes come 
over to the Ubiquiti forum to get help  and people help them!



Ubiquiti has phone support, a very active FRIENDLY forum. When was the last 
time you saw a MT firmware developer on the forum answering questions?



And finally.the Ubiquiti router doesn't blow caps after being in service 
for a year. . Oh it wait  That issue was never acknowledged was it?

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:35, Josh Luthman  wrote:

I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't honestly expect 
support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features are better in Mikrotik.  Price 
doesn't have a huge gap between them.



Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't 
even started shipping.  Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is 
probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor.


Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik?  Now 
what's the answer...




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many of us have had 
them in heavy production without issue for months.

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman  wrote:

Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the corner.  Get your 9 
mo uptime.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

Do you have anything to base that on?

I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat 
since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.

Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Jonathan Schmidt]

A trusted supplier also has suppliers who have suppliers.  We had over a 
dozen Princeton monitors that all quit within 6 months of each other after 4 
years.  As they piled up, one of our engineer-programmers had an epiphany 
that it might be one common problem…looking at the stack of monitors 6’ 
high.  It was caps, of course.



Opening them up, you could see the bulge in the top of one or two caps. 
There were 4 or 5 of the same kind and one or the other were blown in the 
first 3.  He got to the point where he could fix a monitor in 8 minutes…and 
we got them all back.  If you’re lucky, a bulge is as good as a schematic.



This time it wasn’t the supplier.  They were all running a volt or two above 
the rating.  It was the designer.



. . . j o n a t h a n





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Steve Nedolast
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router



As well as samsung recently.

Blair Davis  wrote:

BTW, as a electronics teck, who still repairs DLP and Rear Projection TV's 
as a hobby, MikroTik ain't the only people who got bit by that capacitor 
issue...

You can add Thompson and Mitsubishi to the list as well.  Two of the big 
boys in electronics.

Like UBNT with the ToughCable, sometimes your trusted supplier s you.

Live and learn.

--



On 1/9/2013 8:02 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Ok. Now that I'm on a larger device than my phone let me elaborate.



Yes. Beta units are the same as what are shipping to distributors. Why would 
they be any different?  That wouldn't make any sense and would go against 
every previous beta Ubiquiti has ever done.



Being in Latvia RMAs with MT are a pain in the rear and take months to get 
completed - usually involving sending it direct yourself or back to your 
distributor who batches them back to Latvia.  With Ubiquiti, being US based, 
you just send the device back to SJ and you get a new one.



Support?  You must have a secret number for MT support. The only way I know 
to get support on MT is to go to the MT forums where you'll get beat up... 
And heaven forbid you find a bug.you'll get tarred and feathered. And 
certainly no discussion of competitors products on their forums because that 
would be a bad thing.   I think it speaks worlds that MT uses sometimes come 
over to the Ubiquiti forum to get help  and people help them!



Ubiquiti has phone support, a very active FRIENDLY forum. When was the last 
time you saw a MT firmware developer on the forum answering questions?



And finally.the Ubiquiti router doesn't blow caps after being in service 
for a year. . Oh it wait  That issue was never acknowledged was it?

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 8, 2013, at 22:35, Josh Luthman  wrote:

I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage.  You can't honestly expect 
support to exceed that of Mikrotik.  Features are better in Mikrotik.  Price 
doesn't have a huge gap between them.



Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't 
even started shipping.  Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is 
probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor.


Simple question:  What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik?  Now 
what's the answer...




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things?  Many of us have had 
them in heavy production without issue for months.

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman  wrote:

Build a Win ME machine.  Put it on some batteries in the corner.  Get your 9 
mo uptime.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

Do you have anything to base that on?

I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat 
since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago.

Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating 
Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I 
likely won't use the first generation in production.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router



I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than 
Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. 
Where does this device fit?


Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote:


That's an awfully bold statement. 

Re: [WISPA] DISH Network Dropping Us

[Jonathan Schmidt]

They must not understand what a half-second latency is or 1 second r/t.
That's not broadband that anyone I know would use.

 

. . . j o n a t h a n

Perftech, Inc.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 5:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DISH Network Dropping Us

 

They are advertizing 'DishNet' a lot now.

Sat based internet?

Or maybe a deal with one of the cells?

--



On 1/4/2013 6:45 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:

They are dropping us as well. I wonder if it is just a deal to rid
themselves of the WISPs deal they made? I know regular Dish Retailers(not
WISP) that are not being dropped and have less sales.

 

Scottie Arnett
President
Info-Ed, Inc.
931-243-2101
sarn...@info-ed.com

- Original Message - 

From: Chris Hudson   

To: wireless@wispa.org 

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] DISH Network Dropping Us

 

We're being dropped as well. Although I admit that we have had a few
months in a row that we didn't sell any. 

 

 

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy NoteR II, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone




 Original message 
From: Paul Diem  
Date: 12/27/2012 3:22 PM (GMT-06:00) 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DISH Network Dropping Us 


Yes, we average a little over 3 per month.

Paul C Diem
pcd...@foxvalley.net

On 12/27/2012 3:19 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> 3 per month?
>
> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2012, at 5:08 PM, "Paul Diem"  
 wrote:
>
>> We signed up as a DISH Network reseller back in 2010 when they were
>> approaching WISP's. We've averaged around 3+ new DISH installs per
>> month. Last month we received notice that we have not met their minimum
>> requirements and our reseller account will be terminated on 12/31.
>>
>> Our install volume is not huge because we mainly sell to our new and
>> existing and customers We have used their co-op marketing program as
>> well. Our old account manager would tell us our sales were great. Our
>> new account manager has been nothing but a pain. I can't imagine they
>> have much expense by maintaining us as a reseller.
>>
>> I know other WISP's became DISH resellers around that time. Has anyone
>> else been dropped as a reseller by DISH?
>> --
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>> pcd...@foxvalley.net
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Re: [WISPA] State mapping agency access

[Jonathan Schmidt]

It's San Antonio, Texas.78231.

 

Thanks for any suggestions.

 

. . . j o n a t h a n

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] State mapping agency access

 

Not sure what you're looking for here.  Do you need another internet
connection in SD?

 

There are a number of WISPs using the site that haven't clicked to make
their coverage public.  If you post your address on this list maybe
someone out there can help?

 

Just added NJ to the site.  If you are in NJ please opt in!

 

Jim

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 6:58 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] State mapping agency access

 

I'm in NW San Antonio.  I have Time Warner Cable.  I also have ATT's
cheapest DSL which is a phone and DSL.  I don't need the phone.  I use the
DSL with the router which auto-backups to the DSL when the unreliable TWC
fails (I'm in a semi-rural place.no curbs or sidewalks or street lights
and all utility poles are over ten degrees of vertical).  I put that in
when my high-school son would wake me at 3am and say "I have a test at 9
and the Internet is down.I'll fail if you don't fix it."

 

I'd pay $40-$50 for a backup.  Northwest San Antonio.  What do I do?

 

. . . j o n a t h a n

PS - failure?...once a month for half a day or more.

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
<mailto:%5bmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org%5d>  On Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 5:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] State mapping agency access

 

Oops, I missed a couple.  WA and OK have accounts as well.  I'll see where
ID is in the process.

 

Thx,

 

Jim

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
<mailto:%5bmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org%5d>  On Behalf Of Kevin Owen
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 5:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] State mapping agency access

 

We are just now starting to use the product for Washington and Idaho.
When those get added we will definitely make the information available to
the State mapping folks.

 

Thanks,

Kevin

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
<mailto:%5bmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org%5d>  On Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:32 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] State mapping agency access

 

For those of you using towercoverage.com for your coverage mapping, please
go into your multi-coverage map.  Click the edit button and check the box
to allow state agencies access to your map.  They will not be able to get
your map unless you opt in to allow it.

 

We also urge you to make your map publicly viewable.  This will allow
folks that do an address search for service to find your company on
http://towercoverage.com/northamericamap.asp

 

We have set up back end accounts for the below states and are adding more
daily.  This will allow the agency to download your coverage maps for use
on the national broadband map.  It will help in preventing the "500lb
gorilla" from getting grant money to come into your area and compete. 

 

Alaska
Iowa

Michigan

Minnesota

Nevada

Ohio

Puerto Rico

South Carolina

Tennessee

Texas
Florida

Georgia

Louisiana

 

The following states will be added in the next day or so:

New York

Maine

 

 

Jim Patient

Link Technologies, Inc.

314-735-0270 x102

http://wlan1.com 

http://towercoverage.com <http://towercoverage.com/> 

http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/>  



 

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Re: [WISPA] State mapping agency access

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I'm in NW San Antonio.  I have Time Warner Cable.  I also have ATT's
cheapest DSL which is a phone and DSL.  I don't need the phone.  I use the
DSL with the router which auto-backups to the DSL when the unreliable TWC
fails (I'm in a semi-rural place.no curbs or sidewalks or street lights
and all utility poles are over ten degrees of vertical).  I put that in
when my high-school son would wake me at 3am and say "I have a test at 9
and the Internet is down.I'll fail if you don't fix it."

 

I'd pay $40-$50 for a backup.  Northwest San Antonio.  What do I do?

 

. . . j o n a t h a n

PS - failure?...once a month for half a day or more.

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 5:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] State mapping agency access

 

Oops, I missed a couple.  WA and OK have accounts as well.  I'll see where
ID is in the process.

 

Thx,

 

Jim

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Owen
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 5:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] State mapping agency access

 

We are just now starting to use the product for Washington and Idaho.
When those get added we will definitely make the information available to
the State mapping folks.

 

Thanks,

Kevin

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:32 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] State mapping agency access

 

For those of you using towercoverage.com for your coverage mapping, please
go into your multi-coverage map.  Click the edit button and check the box
to allow state agencies access to your map.  They will not be able to get
your map unless you opt in to allow it.

 

We also urge you to make your map publicly viewable.  This will allow
folks that do an address search for service to find your company on
http://towercoverage.com/northamericamap.asp

 

We have set up back end accounts for the below states and are adding more
daily.  This will allow the agency to download your coverage maps for use
on the national broadband map.  It will help in preventing the "500lb
gorilla" from getting grant money to come into your area and compete. 

 

Alaska
Iowa

Michigan

Minnesota

Nevada

Ohio

Puerto Rico

South Carolina

Tennessee

Texas
Florida

Georgia

Louisiana

 

The following states will be added in the next day or so:

New York

Maine

 

 

Jim Patient

Link Technologies, Inc.

314-735-0270 x102

http://wlan1.com 

http://towercoverage.com  

http://www.linktechs.net   



 

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Re: [WISPA] Fax VoIP solution

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I run my home FAX through LinkSys/Cisco dual ATAs on the office Asterisk
just fine.

. . . j o n a t h a n

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Zach Mann
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fax VoIP solution

 

Vonage fax works for me. 

On Jul 17, 2012 12:32 PM, "Andy Trimmell" 
wrote:

Since we get about 10 faxes a year we use Fax.com

 

Easy to send and receive. You can add email addresses that are able to
send to it and as easy as sending an email to 317...@fax.com sends it
to the phone number 317-555-. 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:19 PM
To: a...@afmug.com; us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Fax VoIP solution

 

Just talked to someone who has been having good luck with this solution.
Put a server in your NOC and then the AudioCodes device is $150

 

http://www.faxback.com/  


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Re: [WISPA] Poynting 19db integrated antenna polarity?

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Did you ask if they were referring to the electrostatic or magnetic
fields?

 

. . . j o n a t h a n

 

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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 6:21 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Poynting 19db integrated antenna polarity?

 

Hello, we recently received a shipment of the dual-polarity version of the
Poynting integrated antenna:

 

http://landashop.com/catalog/poynting-wlana0044-outdoor-enclosure-ip65-20d
bi-rj45-pi-133.html

 

and found that the polarity markings appear to be reversed. Anyone else
out here seen this problem?

 

Thanks,

 

Tom S.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Scott, I’m not quite so sure.



If current flows back through the ground rather than neutral, that will
trip the GFCI.  The ground is BAD as far as the GFCI is, so the dryer
can’t be a 3-wire.



The hypothetical situation was an Ungrounded hair dryer and plastic pipes
(which would have to be totally dry…no moisture).  Then, current flow
would be only back through neutral and, therefore, no pop.



With any other slight variance and it would pop…such as moisture from the
faucet to the water line along the surface of the tub.



. . . j o n a t h a n



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Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages



GFCI works by comparing the current on the hot side and the neutral side.
If they are different by more than a very small amount, it trips.
Even the static discharge from walking across the carpet and touch a
protected device can create enough current on the neutral side to trip
some devices.

The water in the tub doesn't have to be ground if the hair dryer has a 3
wire cord.  There can be current through the water to the dryer's ground,
thus creating the imbalance needed to trip the device.

The last time I read the NEC, you can string outlets off a GFCI outlet, up
to a maximum of 4.  After that you need another GFCI.

On 3/17/2012 9:41 PM, Jonathan Schmidt wrote:

GFCIs…you can’t live with them and can’t live without them.



A real problem is that they wear out…something that isn’t well known.  Old
GFCIs may pop prematurely or fail to pop.  TEST THEM YEARLY!



About the hair dryer in the bathtub…assuming the water is ground, I can’t
imagine that exactly the same current from the “hot” side will 100% flow
back on the neutral because, if it isn’t, the thing will pop.



What am I missing about the bridge and the sensitivity?



I had my sister have all her old house sockets (at least the head of a
string) equipped with GFCIs.  I took a cheap tester to her house and
almost 50% of the AC sockets were wired wrong so they needed fixing, too.
Many had grounded outlets that had no ground, and ½ had the pins
backwards!  I guess the folks who sold them the house in 1985 did a
band-aid job.



If you have customers with older houses and old GFCIs supplying their
modem/router, you should encourage them to test and replace before calling
you.



Anyway, every time my sister had a thunderstorm, the office GFCI would
pop…probably because the computer was grounded through the cable router
and cable modem.  The socket was behind a very large, heavy bookcase.  I’m
proud of her, because, by the second time, she got a drill with a ¾” bit
and put a hole in the backboard to allow pushing the reset with a pencil
eraser.  Hence, my recommendation to have your customers understand this
since the GFCI that runs your service is the most likely to pop in a
thunderstorm.



. . . j o n a t h a n







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Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages



GFCI's are to detect and prevent leakage currents.

They monitor the current in the hot and the neutral lines.

Ever stood barefoot on the ground and held a drill or saw and gotten
shocked?  A GFCI, working properly, will prevent that from killing you, or
even shocking you for more than a few mS

In properly working equipment, basic electrical theory shows that the
current in the hot line and current in the neutral lines must be equal.

If the currents are not equal, then current is 'leaking;' out of the
circuit.

The GFCI senses the imbalance and interrupts the circuit to stop the
leakage.

They are not perfect, though.

You can hook up an old 2 prong hair dryer and drop it in a bathtub full of
water without tripping the GFCI if you know how.

I was an electrician for the Navy for years...

I won't plug a tower into one.  Every time the lighting flashes for 30
miles around, they trip...



On 3/16/2012 11:45 AM, DJ Anderson wrote:

I thought GFCI's were to protect circuits from moisture mainly, AFAIK they
do not provide any type of protection for devices other than cutting the
circuit if it senses a ground fault.


DJ Anderson

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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ben West  wrote:

To add to the anecdotal evidence against cheap GFCI outlets, I had to
remove one in a building when spontaneous trips started occurring randomly
(e.g. once every couple weeks) after an adjacent building received a
direct lightening strike.



For that matter, the GFCI contributed nothing to lightening protection,
still lost a bunch of equipment.



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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Oops…that tells you I’m an old F@#rt.

Thanks, Blair,…you’re right.  Hadn’t thought of that.

. . . j o n a t h a n



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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 9:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages



Often, in homes with plastic pipes, the water in the tub is NOT grounded!

On 3/17/2012 9:41 PM, Jonathan Schmidt wrote:

GFCIs…you can’t live with them and can’t live without them.



A real problem is that they wear out…something that isn’t well known.  Old
GFCIs may pop prematurely or fail to pop.  TEST THEM YEARLY!



About the hair dryer in the bathtub…assuming the water is ground, I can’t
imagine that exactly the same current from the “hot” side will 100% flow
back on the neutral because, if it isn’t, the thing will pop.



What am I missing about the bridge and the sensitivity?



I had my sister have all her old house sockets (at least the head of a
string) equipped with GFCIs.  I took a cheap tester to her house and
almost 50% of the AC sockets were wired wrong so they needed fixing, too.
Many had grounded outlets that had no ground, and ½ had the pins
backwards!  I guess the folks who sold them the house in 1985 did a
band-aid job.



If you have customers with older houses and old GFCIs supplying their
modem/router, you should encourage them to test and replace before calling
you.



Anyway, every time my sister had a thunderstorm, the office GFCI would
pop…probably because the computer was grounded through the cable router
and cable modem.  The socket was behind a very large, heavy bookcase.  I’m
proud of her, because, by the second time, she got a drill with a ¾” bit
and put a hole in the backboard to allow pushing the reset with a pencil
eraser.  Hence, my recommendation to have your customers understand this
since the GFCI that runs your service is the most likely to pop in a
thunderstorm.



. . . j o n a t h a n







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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages



GFCI's are to detect and prevent leakage currents.

They monitor the current in the hot and the neutral lines.

Ever stood barefoot on the ground and held a drill or saw and gotten
shocked?  A GFCI, working properly, will prevent that from killing you, or
even shocking you for more than a few mS

In properly working equipment, basic electrical theory shows that the
current in the hot line and current in the neutral lines must be equal.

If the currents are not equal, then current is 'leaking;' out of the
circuit.

The GFCI senses the imbalance and interrupts the circuit to stop the
leakage.

They are not perfect, though.

You can hook up an old 2 prong hair dryer and drop it in a bathtub full of
water without tripping the GFCI if you know how.

I was an electrician for the Navy for years...

I won't plug a tower into one.  Every time the lighting flashes for 30
miles around, they trip...



On 3/16/2012 11:45 AM, DJ Anderson wrote:

I thought GFCI's were to protect circuits from moisture mainly, AFAIK they
do not provide any type of protection for devices other than cutting the
circuit if it senses a ground fault.


DJ Anderson

Shelby Broadband






On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ben West  wrote:

To add to the anecdotal evidence against cheap GFCI outlets, I had to
remove one in a building when spontaneous trips started occurring randomly
(e.g. once every couple weeks) after an adjacent building received a
direct lightening strike.



For that matter, the GFCI contributed nothing to lightening protection,
still lost a bunch of equipment.



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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

[Jonathan Schmidt]

GFCIs…you can’t live with them and can’t live without them.



A real problem is that they wear out…something that isn’t well known.  Old
GFCIs may pop prematurely or fail to pop.  TEST THEM YEARLY!



About the hair dryer in the bathtub…assuming the water is ground, I can’t
imagine that exactly the same current from the “hot” side will 100% flow
back on the neutral because, if it isn’t, the thing will pop.



What am I missing about the bridge and the sensitivity?



I had my sister have all her old house sockets (at least the head of a
string) equipped with GFCIs.  I took a cheap tester to her house and
almost 50% of the AC sockets were wired wrong so they needed fixing, too.
Many had grounded outlets that had no ground, and ½ had the pins
backwards!  I guess the folks who sold them the house in 1985 did a
band-aid job.



If you have customers with older houses and old GFCIs supplying their
modem/router, you should encourage them to test and replace before calling
you.



Anyway, every time my sister had a thunderstorm, the office GFCI would
pop…probably because the computer was grounded through the cable router
and cable modem.  The socket was behind a very large, heavy bookcase.  I’m
proud of her, because, by the second time, she got a drill with a ¾” bit
and put a hole in the backboard to allow pushing the reset with a pencil
eraser.  Hence, my recommendation to have your customers understand this
since the GFCI that runs your service is the most likely to pop in a
thunderstorm.



. . . j o n a t h a n







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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages



GFCI's are to detect and prevent leakage currents.

They monitor the current in the hot and the neutral lines.

Ever stood barefoot on the ground and held a drill or saw and gotten
shocked?  A GFCI, working properly, will prevent that from killing you, or
even shocking you for more than a few mS

In properly working equipment, basic electrical theory shows that the
current in the hot line and current in the neutral lines must be equal.

If the currents are not equal, then current is 'leaking;' out of the
circuit.

The GFCI senses the imbalance and interrupts the circuit to stop the
leakage.

They are not perfect, though.

You can hook up an old 2 prong hair dryer and drop it in a bathtub full of
water without tripping the GFCI if you know how.

I was an electrician for the Navy for years...

I won't plug a tower into one.  Every time the lighting flashes for 30
miles around, they trip...



On 3/16/2012 11:45 AM, DJ Anderson wrote:

I thought GFCI's were to protect circuits from moisture mainly, AFAIK they
do not provide any type of protection for devices other than cutting the
circuit if it senses a ground fault.


DJ Anderson

Shelby Broadband





On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Ben West  wrote:

To add to the anecdotal evidence against cheap GFCI outlets, I had to
remove one in a building when spontaneous trips started occurring randomly
(e.g. once every couple weeks) after an adjacent building received a
direct lightening strike.



For that matter, the GFCI contributed nothing to lightening protection,
still lost a bunch of equipment.



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Re: [WISPA] LMR Cables

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Faisal, it makes sense. 

We're closer to the equator than the Sahara and the sun is very, very
strong and the nights cool and damp.  Perhaps that may have influenced my
experience.

Thanks, and you're right about the years...my sons are members of the
Quarter Century Wireless Association.  

. . . j o n a t h a n

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:55 PM
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That is more likely due to exposure to sunlight and the exposure to the
elements...manufacturing practices have changed over the years...now
products have a shorter expected by design life expectancy..this is also
reflected in the price / cost... Not everything is getting build like
Sherman tanks !

Weep holes are necessary..and there is a reasonable size and location for
them..

Faisal

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:42 PM, "Jonathan Schmidt" 
wrote:

> True...I didn't say that it could be obtainable.  However, every other
> "best practices" I have seen, after some years, succumbs to the rot.
> . . . j o n a t h a n
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:38 PM
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> 
> While logical...it is in consistent with best practices...and other
> successful products in the market place...
> 
> Faisal
> 
> On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:29 PM, "Jonathan Schmidt" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Big weep holes invite insects.  Small holes clog from goo that grows
>> inside in the condensate.  The only solution is hermetically sealed
>> enclosures if outside.
>> . . . j o n a t h a n
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Rod Shepardson
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:16 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] LMR Cables
>> 
>> Hi Carl,
>> 
>> There were some antennas years back that "sweat" inside and moisture
> came 
>> out the bottom connector.
>> 
>> Some guys drilled weep holes in the bottom of the housing and helped
the
> 
>> problem.
>> 
>> Rod
>> 
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Carl Shivers" 
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 3:39 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] LMR Cables
>> 
>> 
>>> We are having periodic trouble with our LMR connections. We're using
3M
> 
>>> 2228
>>> Rubber Mastic tape. Pulled one and it had moisture in it even with a
>> solid
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True...I didn't say that it could be obtainable.  However, every other
"best practices" I have seen, after some years, succumbs to the rot.
. . . j o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:38 PM
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While logical...it is in consistent with best practices...and other
successful products in the market place...

Faisal

On Feb 8, 2012, at 9:29 PM, "Jonathan Schmidt" 
wrote:

> Big weep holes invite insects.  Small holes clog from goo that grows
> inside in the condensate.  The only solution is hermetically sealed
> enclosures if outside.
> . . . j o n a t h a n
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Rod Shepardson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:16 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] LMR Cables
> 
> Hi Carl,
> 
> There were some antennas years back that "sweat" inside and moisture
came 
> out the bottom connector.
> 
> Some guys drilled weep holes in the bottom of the housing and helped the

> problem.
> 
> Rod
> 
> ===
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Carl Shivers" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 3:39 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] LMR Cables
> 
> 
>> We are having periodic trouble with our LMR connections. We're using 3M

>> 2228
>> Rubber Mastic tape. Pulled one and it had moisture in it even with a
> solid
>> wrap. Any suggestions?
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] LMR Cables

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Big weep holes invite insects.  Small holes clog from goo that grows
inside in the condensate.  The only solution is hermetically sealed
enclosures if outside.
. . . j o n a t h a n

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Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:16 PM
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Hi Carl,

There were some antennas years back that "sweat" inside and moisture came 
out the bottom connector.

Some guys drilled weep holes in the bottom of the housing and helped the 
problem.

Rod

===

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From: "Carl Shivers" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 3:39 PM
Subject: [WISPA] LMR Cables


> We are having periodic trouble with our LMR connections. We're using 3M 
> 2228
> Rubber Mastic tape. Pulled one and it had moisture in it even with a
solid
> wrap. Any suggestions?
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Re: [WISPA] ATT Landline Divestiture

[Jonathan Schmidt]

.except they've got a lot invested in U-Verse.

. . . j o n a t h a n

 

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Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 11:38 AM
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Sounds interesting.



 
-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 5/19/2011 10:45 AM, Charles Wu wrote: 

A little bird told me that ATT may divorce its legacy landline copper
business as a merger condition with T-mobile.thoughts / comments?  What
about Frontier taking over the landline world?

 

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Re: [WISPA] Zimbra Email Server

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I, as a user, can highly recommend it.  If you'd like to dig deeper, I can
put you in touch with our CTO who deals with them and configures it.

There would appear to be nothing to crop the base to under 10s of
thousands in my experience.

It's a delight, however, I must tell you.  The ability to take any mailbox
back to any previous date is also amazing.  It never ceases to amaze me.
If you have a user that says "Oh, my, I deleted all my folders by
accident." Well, you have a life saver.  Their mobile Web version is
really cool, too.

. . . j o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Zimbra Email Server

> I'll have to check...many hundreds, I guess.  It's the paid-for
> collaboration suite.  You get support, too.
> I use the OUTLOOK Connector and it's great.  Every PC I've got is always
> exactly like every other PC I've got...all OUTLOOK folders, sent stuff,
> calendar, contacts, etc.
>
> When I get a new PC, it's automatically engorged with all my 25GB of
> stuff.

Main purpose I am looking at is about 1500 email accounts for our user
base.


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Re: [WISPA] Zimbra Email Server

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I'll have to check...many hundreds, I guess.  It's the paid-for
collaboration suite.  You get support, too.
I use the OUTLOOK Connector and it's great.  Every PC I've got is always
exactly like every other PC I've got...all OUTLOOK folders, sent stuff,
calendar, contacts, etc.

When I get a new PC, it's automatically engorged with all my 25GB of
stuff.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 3:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Zimbra Email Server

> We, too, have the complete suite and it has been absolutely wonderful 
> . . . J o n a t h a n

How many email accounts?  Open Source version?


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Re: [WISPA] Zimbra Email Server

[Jonathan Schmidt]

We, too, have the complete suite and it has been absolutely wonderful
. . . J o n a t h a n 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:27 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Zimbra Email Server

We have been on the pay-for Zimbra solution for a couple of years now and
are very happy with it. It's stable, offers a very nice web interface, and
the "upgrade" to the collaboration product is above and beyond anything
I've used before, including an Outlook/Exchange environment. The search
capabilities are also much advanced to other solutions I've seen. It makes
organizing and finding emails in a *many
Gb* mailbox very easy.

Dylan

-Original Message-
From: Matt
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Zimbra Email Server

Anyone using Zimbra Open Source Edition as an email server?  Feedback?




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Re: [WISPA] Open Internet Filers thus far

[Jonathan Schmidt]

It's better to fill it out at Walgreen's while you get your flu shot.

 

. . . j o n a t h a n

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open Internet Filers thus far

 

I filled mine out at the doctors office with the flu. If I can do it
everybody else should be able to take 5 minutes out to do something that
will help us all. 

Sent from my iPhone4


On Dec 13, 2010, at 1:19 PM, "Rick Harnish"  wrote:

TOPIC:  Treatment of Fixed Wireless Broadband in Open Internet Decision to
be made at the FCC Commission Meeting on Dec. 21st, 2010.

DEADLINE:  Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 5:30 PM EST

IMPORTANCE LEVEL:  HIGH

 

All WISPs and WISP Vendors,

 

Friday I sent out an announcement of a critical decision that is
tentatively scheduled to be made at the December 21st FCC Commission
meeting which may severely impact your business and its future.  WISPA
filed its Ex Parte comments on Friday, which I have attached.
Doc121010-013.pdf.  Below, is an excerpt of commentary made by Steve
Coran, WISPA's telecommunication attorney about this "Open Internet"
proposal.

 

As you may be aware, at the December 21 meeting, FCC Chairman Genachowski
intends to put to full Commission vote his proposed "Open Internet" (net
neutrality) rules.  This means that all communications with Commission
decision-makers must be completed by 5:00 PM ET on Tuesday, December 14.
The Chairman has Commissioner Clyburn's vote, and will not get
Commissioners Baker and McDowell on board.  Commissioner Copps would
prefer more stringent Title II regulation and may hold out for some
concessions, but at the end of the day its widely believed he will sign on
to the rules, yielding a 3-2 vote along party lines.  Republican House
members have already indicated that an FCC vote in favor of "Open
Internet" rules would exceed the FCC's authority and be subject to
legislation and political fall-out.

 

>From recent press reports and the Chairman's statements, and of relevance
to WISPA, we understand the proposed rules will create two separate
regulatory regimes, one for fixed and one for mobile.  Mobile wireless
broadband providers will be subject to less stringent requirements, while
fixed wireless will be included in the more heavily regulated class of
broadband providers.  On the other hand, the Chairman has indicated that
he will allow "pay-as-you-go" or usage-based billing.  Not sure about any
caps or constraints, but at least on this point the Chairman is open to
innovative billing models.

 

As we did during the TV Whitespaces proceedings, we have taken the time to
write a template letter that we encourage ALL WISPs and our partner
vendors to file.  The deadline is Tuesday, December 14th at 5:30 pm EST.
Feel free to customize this letter, also attached to personalize it to
your specific company demographics.  Any text in Red should be replaced by
company specific information.  This campaign is extremely important and
has a very short window of opportunity for each of you to respond by.

 

Once you have customized the letter, please make a .pdf copy or a .doc
file and upload it at the following website.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=rhroc.  If you choose not
to use the WISPA template letter but want to write your own comments, you
can either follow the previous procedure or use the Express filing method
at  
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/display?z=nc5cd.  The proceeding
number ET Docket Nos. 09-191 and WC Docket No. 07-52.  You can add the
second Proceeding Number by clicking Add Proceeding.

 

I would like to thank Doug Clark, Jack Unger and Steve Coran for their
assistance in editing and refining this letter template.  If you do not
care for the tone of this letter, please feel free to write your own.  

 

I cannot stress how important this is for each WISP company to do.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Executive Director

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

  rharn...@wispa.org

 

 

> -Original Message-

> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

> Behalf Of Matt

> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 2:14 PM

> To: WISPA General List

> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open Internet Filers thus far

> 

> > Below is a list of companies that have filed their letters on the

> Network

> > Neutrality Open Internet proposal thus far.  The deadline is tomorrow

> at

> > 5:30 pm EST.  We need much better involvement than this to impact the

> > decision.  Thank you to those who have done this already.  It is best

> to

> > make a .pdf of the letter to upload.  One provider sent a word doc

> and it

> > showed up with "track changes" turned on.  He has since contacted th

Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Ironically, it was the Dutch Elm disease that killed most of the big,
beautiful trees in Ann Arbor when I grew up.
. . . j o n a t h a n
W8BZB

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 2:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees


Yeah, and the fact that the trees out here seem to be growing FASTER than
ever before!  Now that I'm a WISP I wish the trees would all die.  But
NOo, they have to grow even faster!  hehehehe
marlon
 

- Original Message - 
From: Jonathan Schmidt <mailto:jeschm...@jeschmidt.com>  
To: 'WISPA General List' <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

What about the trees in the forests around 100KW UHF TV towers?  Wouldn't
somebody have noticed, by now, that all the trees in a 10 mile radius had
died a few years into the '70s when the put them up?
 
Jonathan Schmidt
W8BZB

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:40 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees


I thought it was global warming. All kidding aside, it goes back to this:
Even if true, what do they want to do about it?


On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM, St. Louis Broadband
 wrote:


Wi-Fi is killing trees, study finds
Enjoying reading the latest technology news and reviews here on Crave?
Hope
you're pleased with yourself, because you're killing a tree. Dutch
researchers have discovered the sad news that Wi-Fi makes trees sick.
The tree-loving folks of Dutch city Alphen aan den Rijn commissioned the
study after finding abnormalities on trees that couldn't be explained by
known viral or bacterial infections. Over the last five years, the study
found that all deciduous trees in the western world are affected by
radiation from mobile-phone <http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-phones/>
networks and wireless LANs.

Over 70 per cent of trees in urban areas in the Netherlands are afflicted
by
Wi-Fi sickness, displaying significant variations in growth, and bleeding
and fissures in their bark. That's compared with just 10 per cent showing
symptoms five years ago. Meanwhile, trees in wooded areas remain happy and
healthy, untroubled by wireless unwellness.

We've been debating the health issues raised by Wi-Fi since Crave was
knee-high to a router, examining contradictory findings
<http://crave.cnet.co.uk/accessories/crave-talk-is-wi-fi-the-21st-century-
pl
<http://crave.cnet.co.uk/accessories/crave-talk-is-wi-fi-the-21st-century-
plague-49290554/> 
ague-49290554/>  way back in 2007. Since then, there hasn't been any
conclusive proof whether Wi-Fi is harmful to humans or not.
The Health Protection Agency
<http://www.hpa.org.uk/Topics/Radiation/UnderstandingRadiation/Understandi
ng
<http://www.hpa.org.uk/Topics/Radiation/UnderstandingRadiation/Understandi
ngRadiationTopics/ElectromagneticFields/WiFi/> 
RadiationTopics/ElectromagneticFields/WiFi/>  states that "there is no
consistent evidence to date that exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi and
WLANs adversely affects the health of the general population". A small
number of people suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity -- the
symptoms of which include headaches and nausea -- but there's some debate
about the degree to which those symptoms are actually caused by
electromagnetic fields.

Generally speaking, our exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi is well below
government safety levels, and much lower than from mobile phones, in part
because you don't walk around with a router clamped to your ear. You'd
have
to live in a Wi-Fi hotspot for a year to absorb the same amount of radio
waves as you would from a 20-minute phone call, and there's no concrete
evidence that mobile phones are bad for you either. If you're worried,
just
make yourself a hat out of tin foil.
We like trees an' all, but they're no Internet. There's only one thing for
it: we'll just have to launch all the forests into space
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TckJBvl_uT0> . Right, time to make like a
tree and leave.


Read more:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-5000168
1/
<http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-500016
81/#ixzz173UMdYiX> 
#ixzz173UMdYiX
<http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-500016
81
/>

I think their comparison to mobile is bunk.
I always have my router clamed to my ear when I am using Wi-Fi ...


Victoria Proffer  - President/CEO
StLouisBroadband.com <http://stlbroadband.com/>
ShowMeBroadband.com <http://showmebroadband.com/>

Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

[Jonathan Schmidt]

What about the trees in the forests around 100KW UHF TV towers?  Wouldn't
somebody have noticed, by now, that all the trees in a 10 mile radius had
died a few years into the '70s when the put them up?
 
Jonathan Schmidt
W8BZB

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:40 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees


I thought it was global warming. All kidding aside, it goes back to this:
Even if true, what do they want to do about it?


On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM, St. Louis Broadband
 wrote:


Wi-Fi is killing trees, study finds
Enjoying reading the latest technology news and reviews here on Crave?
Hope
you're pleased with yourself, because you're killing a tree. Dutch
researchers have discovered the sad news that Wi-Fi makes trees sick.
The tree-loving folks of Dutch city Alphen aan den Rijn commissioned the
study after finding abnormalities on trees that couldn't be explained by
known viral or bacterial infections. Over the last five years, the study
found that all deciduous trees in the western world are affected by
radiation from mobile-phone <http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-phones/>
networks and wireless LANs.

Over 70 per cent of trees in urban areas in the Netherlands are afflicted
by
Wi-Fi sickness, displaying significant variations in growth, and bleeding
and fissures in their bark. That's compared with just 10 per cent showing
symptoms five years ago. Meanwhile, trees in wooded areas remain happy and
healthy, untroubled by wireless unwellness.

We've been debating the health issues raised by Wi-Fi since Crave was
knee-high to a router, examining contradictory findings
<http://crave.cnet.co.uk/accessories/crave-talk-is-wi-fi-the-21st-century-
pl
<http://crave.cnet.co.uk/accessories/crave-talk-is-wi-fi-the-21st-century-
plague-49290554/> 
ague-49290554/>  way back in 2007. Since then, there hasn't been any
conclusive proof whether Wi-Fi is harmful to humans or not.
The Health Protection Agency
<http://www.hpa.org.uk/Topics/Radiation/UnderstandingRadiation/Understandi
ng
<http://www.hpa.org.uk/Topics/Radiation/UnderstandingRadiation/Understandi
ngRadiationTopics/ElectromagneticFields/WiFi/> 
RadiationTopics/ElectromagneticFields/WiFi/>  states that "there is no
consistent evidence to date that exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi and
WLANs adversely affects the health of the general population". A small
number of people suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity -- the
symptoms of which include headaches and nausea -- but there's some debate
about the degree to which those symptoms are actually caused by
electromagnetic fields.

Generally speaking, our exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi is well below
government safety levels, and much lower than from mobile phones, in part
because you don't walk around with a router clamped to your ear. You'd
have
to live in a Wi-Fi hotspot for a year to absorb the same amount of radio
waves as you would from a 20-minute phone call, and there's no concrete
evidence that mobile phones are bad for you either. If you're worried,
just
make yourself a hat out of tin foil.
We like trees an' all, but they're no Internet. There's only one thing for
it: we'll just have to launch all the forests into space
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TckJBvl_uT0> . Right, time to make like a
tree and leave.


Read more:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-5000168
1/
<http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-500016
81/#ixzz173UMdYiX> 
#ixzz173UMdYiX
<http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-500016
81
/>

I think their comparison to mobile is bunk.
I always have my router clamed to my ear when I am using Wi-Fi ...


Victoria Proffer  - President/CEO
StLouisBroadband.com <http://stlbroadband.com/>
ShowMeBroadband.com <http://showmebroadband.com/>
314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756
Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband
St. Louis WISP since 2003
SBA Certified WOSB
 <http://stlbroadband.com/>
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Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Thanks.  It's not old.  It's just years.  I've been a ham for about 60
years and ran 25 yearly Marathons until 5 years ago (overcoming having
been in an iron lung at the end of WWII and deciding to fix it...
finally).  

When I start talking about grandkids or pets...please stop me.  I hate
that.

But, if I had it to do all over, I'd start with being a WISPA member and
setting up RF links all over again.  Getting your hands dirty aiming an
antenna, stringing cable...it's wonderful.  Climbing 1,700 foot
towers...maybe not.  Getting mud on a customer's carpet...definitely not.
Watching a link come up solid...definitely!

. . . j o n a t h a n
W8BZB

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:47 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

You rock, by the way.

Good or bad, who knows...!



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:41 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

Yep.  We're both  O L D

Happens.


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:38 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

Thanks, Robert, as I said..."...some years ago."  It was probably 10 years
ago or more when it was a Bay/Nortel pre-802.11 Wi-Fi.  I sold my company
to
them 5 years before that.

Anyway, at that time, everything was new and old-time trouble shooting was
useful.  

We used to trouble shoot computers when we were using the discrete version
of the 8008 (which we hired Intel and TI to make into a chip) by Radio
Shack
transistor radios placed at strategic points over the main board (now
called
"Motherboard").  That was 1969-1970.  We had used early versions of that
architecture in the '60s for message switching controllers.

Anyway, if you can get something into your ear that represents what's
happening, it's often a real help even if you don't have a Fast Fourier
transform built in because I've found that our brains tend to do that.

. . . j o n a t h a n
W8BZB 



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:13 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

An FM radio?

You seem to be as weird as I.  We both have no life.

:(



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:52 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

I had a CFL that looked dead but was hot.  It was knocking out all the
802.11 in the house.
That was some years ago but found it by walking the house with an FM radio
tuned to a weak station.
It was clear when I was within a couple feet that it was the cause...when
I
reached up to see if it was loose...it was HOT!

. . . J o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

A couple of years ago I had a customer who would drop signal all the time.
One day when I was there pulling my hair out I noticed every time her
furnace kicked on the signal dropped.  Either the motor or the electronics
was creating some nasty RF.  

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she
knew
was wireless.  I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had and
still
did not work.
One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been
deployed elsewhere and is working fine.
I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure
out.
I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop did not
see
any other APs.

On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:
> I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
>
> Look for an internal wireless system that's dr

Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Thanks, Robert, as I said..."...some years ago."  It was probably 10 years
ago or more when it was a Bay/Nortel pre-802.11 Wi-Fi.  I sold my company
to them 5 years before that.

Anyway, at that time, everything was new and old-time trouble shooting was
useful.  

We used to trouble shoot computers when we were using the discrete version
of the 8008 (which we hired Intel and TI to make into a chip) by Radio
Shack transistor radios placed at strategic points over the main board
(now called "Motherboard").  That was 1969-1970.  We had used early
versions of that architecture in the '60s for message switching
controllers.

Anyway, if you can get something into your ear that represents what's
happening, it's often a real help even if you don't have a Fast Fourier
transform built in because I've found that our brains tend to do that.

. . . j o n a t h a n
W8BZB 



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:13 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

An FM radio?

You seem to be as weird as I.  We both have no life.

:(



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:52 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

I had a CFL that looked dead but was hot.  It was knocking out all the
802.11 in the house.
That was some years ago but found it by walking the house with an FM radio
tuned to a weak station.
It was clear when I was within a couple feet that it was the cause...when
I
reached up to see if it was loose...it was HOT!

. . . J o n a t h a n

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

A couple of years ago I had a customer who would drop signal all the time.
One day when I was there pulling my hair out I noticed every time her
furnace kicked on the signal dropped.  Either the motor or the electronics
was creating some nasty RF.  

Bob-


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she
knew
was wireless.  I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had and
still
did not work.
One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been
deployed elsewhere and is working fine.
I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure
out.
I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop did not
see
any other APs.

On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:
> I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
>
> Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP.
>
> Think x10 camera or other similar system.
>
> Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with?
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Reed"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
>
>
>> Help.
>> I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a 
>> customer.  He hooked it up, couldn't connect.  Does not show in list 
>> of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop.  Must be DOA.
>> Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it.  Fine, 
>> customer can hook it up.  Customer calls, can't make it work.  I stop 
>> in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop.  Two of them 
>> DOA seems unlikely, but ...
>> I setup another one.  Take it to customer house. Can't see it.  Moved 
>> it to another room.  Still doesn't show up.  Get my laptop.  Same
thing.
>> Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units.
>> Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these.
>> I just setup the second one on the test bench.  It is working fine.
>> Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should.
>> What do I need to look for at the customer ho

Re: [WISPA] [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rulesatanamazingheight...

[Jonathan Schmidt]

...the Morse is unusual...I thought I heard the German umlaut U in the
beginning (with the two dots over it) as DI DI DAH DAH which isn't Morse
for anything in our alphabet.  I wonder where this was made.
. . . j o n a t h a n
W8BZB

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing
rulesatanamazingheight...

We've had several threads on this.  Scary every time I watch it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Marlon K. Schafer 
wrote:
> OY!  I can't even watch that video.
>
> Those guys are just plain nuts.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Robinson" 
> To: "Tom Osborne" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules
> atanamazingheight...
>
>
>> There was a death a while back when a climber fell and it looked like
one
>> of
>> those climbing pegs had rusted through and had snapped off when weight
was
>> put on it
>>
>> Mark N1UK
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Tom Osborne" 
>> To: "Towertalk" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, 01 December, 2010 6:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules at
>> anamazingheight...
>>
>>
>>> Watching them go up the last 50 feet or so made me wonder just what
would
>>> happen if one of those climbing pegs snapped off.  Be a LONG way down.
>>> At
>>> that height seems like they would get kinda rusty.  73
>>> Tom W7WHY
>>>
>>>
>>>  Seems to be a commercial operation.  I guess the OSHA inspector
>>> couldn't (wouldn't) make an on-site inspection.  Also, note the
>>> porcupine dissipators on the way up.
>>>
>>>
http://www.liveleak.com/mp53/player.swf?config=http://www.liveleak.com/mp5
3/player_config.php?token=f2d_1284588370%26embed=1
>>>
>>> 73, Joe
>>> K2XX
>>> ___
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> TowerTalk mailing list
>>> towert...@contesting.com
>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk
>>>
>>> ___
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> TowerTalk mailing list
>>> towert...@contesting.com
>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk
>>
>> ___
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I had a CFL that looked dead but was hot.  It was knocking out all the
802.11 in the house.
That was some years ago but found it by walking the house with an FM radio
tuned to a weak station.
It was clear when I was within a couple feet that it was the cause...when
I reached up to see if it was loose...it was HOT!

. . . J o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

A couple of years ago I had a customer who would drop signal all the time.
One day when I was there pulling my hair out I noticed every time her
furnace kicked on the signal dropped.  Either the motor or the electronics
was creating some nasty RF.  

Bob-


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month

I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she
knew was wireless.  I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had and
still did not work.
One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been
deployed elsewhere and is working fine.
I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure
out.  I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop did
not see any other APs.

On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:
> I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
>
> Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP.
>
> Think x10 camera or other similar system.
>
> Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with?
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Reed"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
>
>
>> Help.
>> I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a 
>> customer.  He hooked it up, couldn't connect.  Does not show in list 
>> of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop.  Must be DOA.
>> Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it.  Fine, 
>> customer can hook it up.  Customer calls, can't make it work.  I stop 
>> in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop.  Two of them 
>> DOA seems unlikely, but ...
>> I setup another one.  Take it to customer house. Can't see it.  Moved 
>> it to another room.  Still doesn't show up.  Get my laptop.  Same
thing.
>> Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units.
>> Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these.
>> I just setup the second one on the test bench.  It is working fine.
>> Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should.
>> What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3 
>> routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for 
>> wireless networks?
>>
>> --
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>> Owner
>> NewWays Networking, LLC
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>> Certified www.nwwnet.net
>> (765) 855-1060
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] OT Laptops....

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Go to Amazon and type "XP Laptop" into the search...lots, good, cheap, and
reliable store.
. . . J o n a t h a n
Jonathan Schmidt 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Laptops

I'd give Dell a call.  Either factor refub units or brand new but with XP
installed instead of 7.

http://www.dell.com/us/en/dfb/notebooks/ct.aspx?refid=notebooks&s=dfb&cs=2
8

Course you can always call them at 888-518-3355.  I tend to want to talk
to people.
marlon

- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 7:11 PM
Subject: [WISPA] OT Laptops


> Anyone have a source for new netbooks or small laptops with Win XP 
> operating
> system?  Looking for something sub $600.  Using it strictly for 
> programming
> equipment and running diagnostics.  Not doing anything CPU intensive.
> Unfortunately we are running quite a few programs that don't play well 
> with
> WIN 7.
>
> Tnx
>
> -B-
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob Moldashel
> Lakeland Communications, Inc.
> 1350 Lincoln Avenue
> Holbrook, NY 11741
> 800-479-9195
> 631-286-8873 Fax
> 516-551-1131 Cell
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Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I pay AT&T $30 for a DSL that is only used for backup.  The router does
auto failover to it when the RoadRunner is down (frequently with our rural
poles never within 10 degrees of vertical).  The total time it's active
per month varies between zero and two days.  I'd be willing to pay the $30
(including taxes and fees and corruption) for higher speed or be willing
to pay $25 for the same speed.  In fact, I'd be willing to pay the same
for wireless since here the cable and phone copper are on the same
poles...it would give me more reliability.  I use Asterisk and link to my
office Asterisk so the Internet is really important.

. . . j o n a t h a n

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services

I have customers using connections as backups, but I don't give them any 
discount.

Maybe I should investigate doing this, however.

-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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On 11/21/2010 11:18 AM, Nick wrote:
> Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause?
>
> I'm looking to offer backup service&  want to offer a discount over the
> standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we
> monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as
> their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up to
> our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and
> they seem receptive to this.
>
> Nick
>
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Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services

[Jonathan Schmidt]

"Along these lines..." sorry, I'm still LOL at your pun, Ryan.

My family Nokia phones have the Joikuspot app (cost $6) which turns the
phone into a Wi-Fi hotspot through AT&T 3G.  I have an old laptop and
dongle and it becomes the network's 3rd best route.  It gets about 1.2
mbps down and is useful, at least.  However, it's a manual decision but
the VoIP is actually quite useful through it.  In addition, the Nokia
phones have a SIP app built in and it is also a line on my office system.


Who have thought about all this 10 years ago?

. . . j o n a t h a n

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 1:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services

Along these lines, we sell "high availability Internet" for a pretty good
premium.  We run wireless and dsl or fiber and dsl, drop in an 1841 with
and adsl wic, apply some ospf, and you've got some internets that are
pretty survivable.

Ryan



On Nov 21, 2010, at 12:57 PM, "Jonathan Schmidt" 
wrote:

> I pay AT&T $30 for a DSL that is only used for backup.  The router does
> auto failover to it when the RoadRunner is down (frequently with our
rural
> poles never within 10 degrees of vertical).  The total time it's active
> per month varies between zero and two days.  I'd be willing to pay the
$30
> (including taxes and fees and corruption) for higher speed or be willing
> to pay $25 for the same speed.  In fact, I'd be willing to pay the same
> for wireless since here the cable and phone copper are on the same
> poles...it would give me more reliability.  I use Asterisk and link to
my
> office Asterisk so the Internet is really important.
> 
> . . . j o n a t h a n
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 11:20 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services
> 
> I have customers using connections as backups, but I don't give them any

> discount.
> 
> Maybe I should investigate doing this, however.
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/21/2010 11:18 AM, Nick wrote:
>> Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause?
>> 
>> I'm looking to offer backup service&  want to offer a discount over the
>> standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we
>> monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as
>> their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up
to
>> our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and
>> they seem receptive to this.
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Webcam

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I've found the Mobtix has very good outside endurance and amazing dynamic
range.  I have them in various parts of the world without problems.
Before that, I used IQeye inside looking out through windows and they have
been quite good...a bit less of an image at night but auto-switch to B&W
if desired.  These are all multi-megapixels...read a license plate at 100
feet and more.
. . . J o n a t h a n 

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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 12:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Webcam

There was a vendor on one of these wireless lists selling some nice
looking ones...  Mobtix or something like that.

They have had IIRC tens of thousands of them deployed for large event
security.

-
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On 10/26/2010 5:27 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> A group of radio stations that I provide phone and Internet service
would like to setup a webcam in a few of their studios to stream video to
their website. Any suggestions on hardware and configuration?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Port foward to external IP

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I believe you can't get there by IP address alone...it likely requires a host 
header and may otherwise refuse the connection.
. . . j o n a t h a n

- Original Message -
From: "Cameron Kilton" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, September 3, 2010 3:47:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Port foward to external IP

Strike 1

I'm getting connection refused.

I'm assuming I should set my incoming mail server to my office router's 
outgoing IP address...correct?


Thanks,
Cameron Kilton
Project Manager
Midcoast Internet Solutions
http://www.midcoast.com
c...@midcoast.com
(207) 594-8277 x 108

On 9/3/2010 4:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Keep in mind this is only an IP, and pop.gmail.com resolves to many
> for a reason and I have *NOT* personally tested this.
>
> #where ether2 is your lan interface
> /ip firewa nat
> add chain=dstnat in-interface=ether2 dst-port=110 protocol=tcp
> action=dst-nat to-addresses=74.125.95.109 to-ports=995
>
> Josh Luthman
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>> On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 15:17, Cameron Kilton  wrote:
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>>> We have an office router which has a fairly locked down network. We have
>>> recently setup good apps on a staff domain and I want to setup port
>>> forward for POP3 to forward to the the pop.gmail.com IP.
>>>
>>>
>>> MY router has a real routed IP and the WAN interface how can I route
>>> port 110 through that to the external IP of 74.125.93.109 which is
>>> gmails pop server
>>
>> First, keep in mind that Gmail doesn't support unencrypted POP3; you'll have
>> to use POP-over-SSL, which is on a different port and may not be supported
>> by some really old email clients. (The same applies to SMTP and IMAP, in
>> case such things are important to you.)
>> Second, you may want to find a way to do the forwarding by name instead of
>> IP, since Gmail has multiple addresses which could change (I just nslookup'd
>> pop.gmail.com and got a different IP from the one you listed above, for
>> instance).
>> David Smith
>> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Isn't Windows IPCONFIG with its options fast and flexible enough? 
. . . j o n a t h a n 


From: "Justin Wilson"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:37:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7 

All fine and dandy but if you are plugged into a standalone device runnign a 
DHCP server does you no good. How many times has everyone been at a tower site 
wanting to go home only to have to wait 1-2 minutes until DHCP times out? Then 
if you have to reboot the device or something. 3 reboots and you have waster 
5-10 minutes waiting on windows. 
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From: Greg Ihnen < os10ru...@gmail.com > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:45:51 -0430 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7 

I'm not sure if this is what you're talking about but I always set my DHCP 
server to hand out DHCP for 5 minutes. That way if I want to reconfigure the 
network I can make a change and in a few minutes everything is switched over. 
IT's also handy to see what clients are currently online, I just take a peek at 
who's got a DHCP lease. 

Greg 

On Aug 20, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: 



I just get sick of configuring units, such as mikrotik, and switching devices 
and then having to wait until DHCP times out. Pretty annoying when you have 50 
Mikrotik boards to configure. Takes longer for me to wait on DHCP than to drop 
the config file on it. 
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From: Mark Dueck < m...@netking.bz  > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org  > 
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:39:25 -0600 
To: < wireless@wispa.org  > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7 

LOL. if you have a Deliberant radio you might want to look into increasing it 
to 5 minutes because that's how long they take to boot up. I tried looking into 
it a while ago, but did not find anything that easily. 

Had to tell my customers to wait 5 minutes to startup the computer once they 
booted up the radio. 

Mark 

On 08/20/2010 09:42 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: 


Changign DHCP timeout XP/WIn7 I know a good majority of you deal with the 
annoyance of waiting on Windows to timeout when there is no DHCP server. Anyone 
found a fix for this? Registry setting? Very annoying waiting on windows to 
timeout DHCP when you know it will not get one. Sure a static IP shortens this 
time, but can be a pain in itself. Looking for a hack to shorten the windows 
DHCP timeout down to something sane. 

Ideas? 
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Re: [WISPA] Free 19" shock mounted shipping rack.

[Jonathan Schmidt]

That link doesn't do anything.  What am I missing?

. . . J o n a t h a n 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:21 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Free 19" shock mounted shipping rack.

I have been keeping this rack around for a long time, thinking I could use
it somewhere but I have decided to give it away to anyone on the list who
wants it.  The guts of it are mounted on rubber shock mounts and it is
about
3 feet high.

It is great for making an "Emergency POP" in and using to drop in to a
temporary location. It was designed to ship DataRadio wireless data
systems in.
If you want it, it is free. You'll have to pick it up near Atlanta or pay
the freight charges to get it to you. One great thing is that it needs no
packing. It's its own packing!

If you want to see it, I have it on Craigslist locally for 25 bucks.

https://post.craigslist.org/atl/S/ele/nat/x/3eFNkYeiPyQiBv3k/so7Bo

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Re: [WISPA] Generators

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I'm concerned with Diesel.  My first Mercedes Diesel quit when the fuel
tank turned into a blob of algae.  

I had never heard of anything eating that stuff but a pilot friend in the
Air Force said his plane had become clogged with algae.

He told me to put in a quart of high detergent 10W-40 in every tank.  It's
worked for 30 years.

...just a thought that had never occurred to me.

. . . J o n a t h a n

 

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Behalf Of jp
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 5:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Generators

If you go propane/NG upsize quite a bit to have smooth power.
Diesel's torque makes for smoother power output undering changing loads. 
Diesel can run full rated load of datacenter load.

I went diesel (Cummins/Onan) for my datacenter. I put the generator inside
to prevent winter fuel gelling, rodents, rust, etc... It's on a
275 gallon heating oil tank. Looks almost like new still after 10 years. 
There's a whole set of design requirements for having a generator inside,
in terms of fire safety, fresh air flow for combusition and cooling,
etc..., that's why most are outside. I was building from scratch, so I put
it where I wanted it. Had a boatbuilder put a custom stainless steel
exhaust on it coming out the side of the building.

Get something that matches the voltage and phase your utility provides. 
Don't get a 1 phase for your 3phase service. Get an appropriate high
quality auto transfter switch that can switch your whole datacenter over,
not just select circuits. The transfer switch should also be able to
exercize the generator on a schedule.

Check the hour meter and fluids once in a while so you know it's
exercizing properly and ready for use. 

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 03:02:28PM -0400, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> Ok, so I am in the market for a Generator.  Looking for probably 
> 30-45kW.  I've heard people say  I need a PMG Exciter??  Anyone with
> experience in doing this?   It's to support our datacenter, a few racks,
> a few 2200 UPS's and PDU's, and Cooling.  I find all kinds of 
> different ones on eBay and elsewhere, and am hoping someone already 
> did the legwork and figured out everything they needed and can share?
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I've got old tapes from the '80s I can't read but have recovered old MAC
SCSI drives from then.  Very recently, in fact.  It took a table-top of
connversion stuff to get real-time access to them.

So, I go the drive backup route.  I also take them off premesis.  

I expect that sometime the interface will be a roadblock as outdated
technology but we'll see it coming and be able to copy them all to a
fingernail-sized holographic gizmo, first.

. . . J o n a t h a n

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Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

SATA drive in external case with USB.

Travis
Microserv

Jason Hensley wrote:
> What are you guys using for "Tape" backup options?  Prefer something 
> SCSI to replace existing tape drive that has failed.  I just personally
hate tape.
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Re: [WISPA] Spider takes down switch. I take down spider.

[Jonathan Schmidt]

It's the World-Wide-Web...gonna getcha every time.
. . . J o n a t h a n 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 3:23 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Spider takes down switch. I take down spider.

Had a storm last night, woke up, part of the network down.  I figure the
common connection there is a 5 port switch the good section hits before
it's lost.  I go out with a replacement switch, climb up on the grain bin,
open the box  one of those spiders that make the tube web..  Living in
port number 4.  Somehow messed up the switch.  Nema box but he got in
somehow, probably snuck in when I had it open last time.  I was expecting
fried components due to all the lightning but it was all due to one, now
dead, spider.

 

Replaced the switch anyhow, got it home and it works fine.  Damn spider!

 

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Re: [WISPA] Ping list

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Sometimes... 

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Behalf Of Pat Nix
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:29 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Ping list

Are my messages getting to the list

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Re: [WISPA] -48vdc Gigabit switch

[Jonathan Schmidt]

...hence, the current reality.
Thanks,
. . . J o n a t h a n 

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Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:19 PM
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On 18 March 2010 19:26, Tom DeReggi  wrote:

> While on the subject Anyone know why the concept of  positive 
> ground was implimented? What was accomplished by not doing negative 
> ground like everything else typically does?
>

My understand is that a negative ground outside copper plant will corrode
at a much faster rate than a positive ground system. Or maybe that is old
telecom lore.

http://lyle.smu.edu/~levine/ee8320/positiveground.pdf

According to Wikipedia...
"Originally, the voltages on the wires were positive with respect to
earth.
This is called negative ground, since the negative side of the battery is
grounded to earth. Then engineers discovered that with positive voltage on
the copper wires, copper wires age quickly, due to
electrolysis.
With negative voltage on the wires, in respect to earth, (called positive
ground) the copper is protected from corrosion. This is referred to as
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Re: [WISPA] -48vdc Gigabit switch

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Yes.  Originally the concept of an "electron" wasn't known and experiments
in the 19th Century seemed to point to "positive" things moving to
"negitave" things.  I'm old enough that my early cars were
positive-ground...as is all telephony still.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

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Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:26 PM
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While on the subject Anyone know why the concept of  positive ground
was implimented? What was accomplished by not doing negative ground like
everything else typically does?

Tom DeReggi
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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] -48vdc Gigabit switch


> On 18 March 2010 14:48, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> You could always reverse the leads for a +48 switch or pull 12v or 24v
>> off one or two of the batteries.
>>
>
> No no no, *DO NOT* do this! -48vdc, but its very nature, is positive 
> ground.
> If you plug in a +48vdc device with the polarity reversed it will boot
up,
> and will probably link up via  UTP patch cable to another device. If you
> plug in a STP patch cable, or a console cable with a ground, you will 
> likely
> let the magic smoke out. Recharging the magic smoke reservoir can be an
> expensive procedure.
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Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Yes, the recovery console, direct from the CD, can do a system restore to
a date before it started acting up.
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=recovery+console+syste
m+restore&aq=4&aqi=g10&oq=recovery+c

. . . J o n a t h a n 

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Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:36 PM
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Thanks Pat you're the bomb


Steve Barnes
Manager
PCS-WIN
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


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Behalf Of Pat O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:31 PM
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MS update KB977165 is the culprit.  If you remove that update through the
recovery console the computer will boot and work properly.


Steve Barnes wrote:
> For those of you who do tech support.  We have had 6 computers come in
to our repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in normal
or safe mode is give a Blue Screen of Death.  They all claim that their
computers did a windows update yesterday and after that they no longer
work.  Since we supply the internet it must be our fault.  We have found
no fix but a windows reload.
>
> This is for informational purposes only for your tech support
departments.
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Re: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Can you get to Safe Mode and Command Prompt?  If so, you may be able to
restore to the previous configuration:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304449

Also, sometimes, you can use the restoration partition or Windows CD and
get to the option to "Repair" rather than wholesale reload and preserve
the file system and installed applications...and, even the desktop.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

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Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:19 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Tech support: Windows XP Blue Screen of Death

For those of you who do tech support.  We have had 6 computers come in to
our repair center today that have Windows XP that all they do in normal or
safe mode is give a Blue Screen of Death.  They all claim that their
computers did a windows update yesterday and after that they no longer
work.  Since we supply the internet it must be our fault.  We have found
no fix but a windows reload.

This is for informational purposes only for your tech support departments.


Steve Barnes
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Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I a bit curious...even with huge window sizes, the latencies would appear
to be the limiting
Factor to much under a gig (not to have to consider, in addition, the
"operating system" and PC speeds). 

But, purpose-built movie-sucking-boxes from Akamai-type cache on the gig
network...or, purpose-built
Medical devices retrieving medical imaging...maybe.

. . . J o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

Wholesale 1G costs less than $1k now, depending on the vendor.  Also, when
you have a network as large as Google's, BW costs you less.

Also, just like you're oversubscribing that 10 meg pipe, they're
oversubscribing those gigs.


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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Marco Coelho" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:07 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks

> Google to build ultra-fast broadband networks
>
> WASHINGTON - Google plans to build experimental, ultra-fast Internet
> networks in a handful of communities around the country.
>
> The search company said Wednesday that its fiber-optic broadband
> networks will deliver speeds of 1 gigabit per second to as many as
> 500,000 Americans. Google Inc. says those systems will be more than
> 100 times faster than the networks that most Americans have access to
> today.
>
> In a blog post, the company said the networks will let consumers
> download a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five
> minutes and allow rural health clinics to send 3-D medical images over
> the Web.
>
> Google says it will seek input from communities that might be
> interested in getting one of the testbed networks.
>
> end of article
>
>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_google_broadband_ne
twork
>
> sounds very dot commy to me:
> Best price on a 1G pipe is about 1K-5K within a NOC.  I wonder how you
> make money giving it away?
>
> -- 
> Marco C. Coelho
> Argon Technologies Inc.
> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> 903-455-5036
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Re: [WISPA] FBI wants records kept of Web sites visited | Politicsand Law - CNET News

[Jonathan Schmidt]

The amount of data is trivial.  If that's all they want, it is simple.

Peeling the layers of encryption away and/or figuring out the
port/protocol hiding the Web activity: that's hard.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: Principal WISPA Member List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FBI wants records kept of Web sites visited |
Politicsand Law - CNET News

How about the FBI gets what they pay for?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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that counts."
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Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

[Jonathan Schmidt]

We're rural enough that no utility pole is within 10 degrees of vertical.

Both TWC cable and AT&T wires swing on those poles and whistle in the
wind.

I have the cheapest DSL on the cheapest wireline just as a backup
(auto-failover on an old Nortel router) to RoadRunner.

I complained to AT&T for 8 years (then SBC) about the crackling static on
the wire line that caused the DSL router to recycle every 10 minutes and
FAXes to look like the printer needed an ink refill.  

I called and called, scheduled on-site folks, and nothing.  Finally, an
AT&T truck was working on the neighbor's phone and I asked the guy "Excuse
me, sir, but I have had a problem for 8 years...could you just walk over
here and put your handset on my wire and listen?"  He said "That's awful"
and when I asked for his name to thank him for the out-of-duty assistance,
he gave it to me.  The next day it was fixed.

My last TWC fix was accomplished the same way...asking a truck in the
neighborhood to "test my line" as a favor.  He, however, found a
pole-mounted amplifier that had an intermittently oscillating AGC that
fixed all our neighborhood problems.  

I don't know what people do who aren't slightly technical and a bit
aggressive.  On the other hand, I don't know how the TWC and AT&T people
keep this old outdoor plant working, either.

. . . J o n a t h a n

 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us

When it's a DSL or cable connection I typically say I rebooted the modem
and my PC is plugged into it.

On 1/10/10, Jayson Baker  wrote:
> So lie to them, and tell them you're standing there and the DSL light 
> is blinking.  Or whatever they want to hear.
> That person is probably a $10/hr individual paid to follow a flow 
> chart, and doesn't know what to do if your answers don't fall in-line
with that chart.
> I've done this many times.  Even just the other day I "chatted" with 
> Dell tech support and said "I need a new hard drive, it's making 
> scraping and clunking noises" in less than 5 minutes I had a new hard 
> drive on the way, and less than 24 hours later it was installed in the 
> machine.  Had I told them what was really going on, I'd of been 
> working with them for an hour via chat running a chkdsk and all sorts 
> of other diagnostic tools.  In all actuality, the thing was bad... I 
> was just skipping all the mundane steps they are supposed to follow, in
order to determine something I already knew.
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
> wrote:
>
>> I have a tower down.  It's fed by a *business* grade DSL link.
>>
>> Can't get to the main router at that local.
>>
>> So I log onto the Century Tel (century link nowadays) web site go 
>> find a phone number for tech support.
>>
>> IF there is a phone number on their Microsoft Bing cloan of a web 
>> site, I couldn't find it.  So, I decided to try the online chat thingy.
>>
>> Up pops a page with a spot for a the username, phone number and zip
code.
>> Naturally, I put the right things in the boxes.  Only to get an 
>> error.  So I tried again, and again.  Finally I actually READ what 
>> the smallish print said you can ONLY put in ONE of the fields, not 
>> all of them.  Hate to allow any answer to work rather than make 
>> people only fill in one field where they usually have to fill in all 
>> of them.  My fault for not reading the fine print, but then again, I 
>> shouldn't have to
>>
>> Next, I finally get a tech on the screen.  Well, kinda, the web site 
>> doesn't have anything but an error at the top.  But the chat part 
>> eventually came up and a tech was on the line.  We quickly 
>> established that the tech support guy wasn't able to see if there was 
>> a dsl connection or not.  ug
>>
>> So, he gave me a phone number for tech support.
>>
>> I called that number only to sit on hold for a while (not t bad
>> though)
>> and then find out that that wasn't the right number for a business 
>> account.
>>
>> Called the next number.  Sat on hold a bit longer this time, but 
>> still only a few minutes.  We quickly got through all of the who are 
>> you type stuff.
>> Then the gal on the support end asked me to tell her what lights were 
>> on on the modem.  "Um, I'm an hour and a half form there."  "Well, 
>> sir, I'm unable help you unless someone is on at the site."
>>
>> Sigh.  The home owner at this site is a snow bird and won't be home 
>> for months yet.
>>
>> The tech support people aren't able to tell if there is a connection 
>> or not.
>> It's not like this is a little, rinky dink company like mine.  This 
>> is a HUGE telco!  Ug.
>>
>> They won't even try to fix a business account that I pay $1200.00 per 
>> year for.  Probably even more than that.  Amazing.
>>
>> Have a great day, I know I will.
>> marlon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 

Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Wait!  There's more!
The Continental Airlines vertically-mounted plasma screens that show
flight/gate/time in Houston were frozen showing a Windows error... not
long ago.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone

I had something like that. There is a building in West Palm that has an
elevator. At each stop, the automated computer calls out the floor number.
On the top floor, it plays the old windows error .wav sound. It gives you
a strange feeling knowing Windows is in charge of the elevator in a
skyscraper!

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Robert West
wrote:

> That reminds me of a trip I took to Italy a few years ago.  I ride the 
> city busses when I travel and the busses were running really, really 
> late.  A bus pulled up and the sign on the front, where a street name 
> would be, was a "Dump Error" and inside the bus the routes and 
> schedules were normally on video screens but they kept blue screening.  
> Windows XP.  The entire bus system was on XP (In ENGLISH 
> even!) and the main server crashed causing all the busses to be 
> "lost".  I was just "flabbergasted", whatever that means.  I kept 
> saying, "Just drive the damn bus!"  I still haven't a clue how a 
> server crash can stop a guy from driving a bus from here to 
> there
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:53 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone
>
>
> >> I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to 
> >> check my visual voicemail or get online
>
> Kevin, is your phone running Windows? LOL, couldn't resist.
>
> Scottie
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Josh Luthman 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Thu, 7 Jan 2010 00:49:33 -0500
>
> >Kevin - that's your phones fault, not AT&T.  As much as I hate 
> >admitting
> that.
> >
> >VVM works on the latest update of the Bold.
> >
> >On 1/7/10, Kevin Neal  wrote:
> >> I'd like to just not have to reboot my phone every time I want to 
> >> check my visual voicemail or get online.AT&T sucks around here, 
> >> so far.  Voice is ok, datamuch to be desired.
> >>
> >> -Kevin
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Jeremie Chism 
> wrote:
> >>> I think droid is definitely going to be the way to go considering 
> >>> apple has to approve everything before it is "allowed".  But at 
> >>> the time when the iPhone first came out it was a big leap forward.
> >>> Especially being able to telnet into our routers and make changes 
> >>> or remotely reboot cpe units. Also logmein on iPhone is a great 
> >>> help. It has gotten to where I don't think I could be without. I 
> >>> start experiencing withdrawal after about an hour.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
>  From: Jack Unger 
>  Date: January 6, 2010 4:11:34 PM CST
>  To: WISPA General List 
>  Subject: [WISPA] OT - Glad I Didn't Buy an iPhone
>  Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> 
> >>>
>  Thank God I'm not addicted to rushing out and buying the latest 
>  consumer gadget.
> 
>  If I HAD rushed out and bought an iPhone, I would not be able to 
>  rush out now and buy one of these great new Sumsing Turbo 3000s !
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  --
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>  Network Design - Technical Writing - Technical Training Serving 
>  the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities Since 
>  1993 www.ask-wi.com  818-227-4220  jun...@ask-wi.com
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Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Metal is fine in a microwave if it is carefully crafted to be the correct
non-destructive RF length in all directions.  It wasn't a special
capability of the "Litton Microwave Oven."

. . . J o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome


I have an old 1984 Litton Microwave that you can put metal in. It even
came with a metal rack in it.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: "Robert West" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:27:33 -0500

>Hey, good tip, Ryan!  We're used to sparks in the microwave.  We do
>"experiments" as it is.  The kids favorite is making plasma balls with
>grapes.  We have an odd household..
>
>Thanks!
>
>Bob-
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Ryan Spott
>Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:13 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome
>
>To test for metal perform this experiment in a microwave that is not
>owned by you. (that last part is key!)
>
>Spray on paper plate, allow to dry, place in microwave for 10 seconds.
>Press start.
>
>Sparks? There is metal in that there paint.
>No Sparks? Pretty sure it is free of metal!
>
>ryan
>
>On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:44 AM, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
>> I've used spray paint on radomes for licensed links before and Canopy
>AP's,
>> no problem.  Paint will only negatively affect the signal if it has
>> metal
>in
>> it
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>> dan...@3-db.net
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Robert West
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:42 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: [WISPA] Painting Radome
>>
>> UBNT says it's cool to use the same paint for plastic on their sector
>> radome.  Like the Krylon plastic paint?  Anyone go this route and has
>> it affected your signal?  I can find radome paint on the net but if
>> the
>Krylon
>> for Plastic from Ace Hardware works the same, would save me some time
>> and cash.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert West
>>
>> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
>>
>> 740-335-7020
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Re: [WISPA] Being Rude to Customers

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I had a friend who passed out and let an 8 oz. glass of a White Russian
(Baileys, Kaluha, vodka) pour into the keyboard of an IBM 701 (the old
"butterfly keyboard").

I popped it open, removed the main and CMOS batteries, and let the warm
water in the kitchen sink run through it for an hour then shook it out and
poured de-ionized water through it.  I placed in the oven at 150 degrees
for two days.

It worked except for the keyboard had a few keys permanently active.  I
figured there was still moisture under the conductive silicone keyboard
bumps so put it back into the oven for two more days.

That fixed it.  150 degrees was as low as the oven could be set and I
figured that the spec was about 65 degrees C for storage so we were
probably just at the limit.

Considering the number of hours, it made sense for that laptop which then
cost $4,000.  Today, I'd say "buy another."

In fact, today, for almost anyone who asks for help fixing a computer, I
tell them a new one is cheaper than fixing an old one.  I have a stock of
clam shell external disk drive shells that I bought for $3 each...about a
dozen each of 3 1/2" and laptop-sized, IDE/SATA.  I pop their disk out,
stick it into the USB of the new computer and tell them to find their crap
and copy it over.  I'm through playing Mr. Fix-it on friend's and family
computers.  Once they're done, I tell them to take the drive to their
safety box at the bank, out of harm's way, to keep as a backup...a process
they, of course, had never done.

What's amazing is that almost all of them buy a new computer that has a
trial version of an anti-virus and it scans the old disk on the USB, too.
It usually finds a couple dozen Trojans on the old drive.

Geeze

. . . J o n a t h a n

 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 3:09 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Being Rude to Customers

Yep.  That's a weird one!


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 4:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Being Rude to Customers

HA! I have one better.. I get a VERY timid call from a non-customer in my
small town

Her: hi, can you help me? Promise you won't laugh?
Me: sure, what do you need?
Her: Can you come by and fix my keyboard on my laptop? It got very wet and
won't work now...
Me: Did you spill something on it?
Her: Promise not to laugh I have narcolepsy and I passed out on the
keyboard and filled it with drool...
Me: I promised, but my tongue is bleeding now as I biting it to keep from
laughing.

Turns out that saliva has some pretty good amounts of salt and sugar in
it, had to buy a new keyboard from HP and install it for her.

She ended up passing out while driving a few months later.. I had to get
her desktop background off her machine to print for her husband...  
Nice lady, ran the community.

ryan

On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Robert West wrote:

> I have one customer who burns up laptops.  Not from overheating or 
> whatever, but from cigarettes.  She sits in front of the laptop 
> drinking and smoking and passes out with the cigarette landing on the 
> keyboard or against the screen.  Has killed three in the past 2 years 
> that way.  Sure, we replace keyboards and lcd panels but eventually it 
> dies from repeated abuse.  Or beer being spilled on it.  Works for 
> "awhile" until it gets fuzzy inside.
> Yuck!
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 3:34 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Being Rude to Customers
>
> Alcoholism is the leading cause of rude customers. Quite a few 
> customers on our network have a "do not call after 8:3, 9:30, 10:20AM"
> note because they are totally out of it.
>
> Perfectly polite people before that time.. but after... WOW!
>
> ryan
>
>
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Robert West wrote:
>
>> That's funny because I ended up having a conversation pretty much 
>> like that with the wife.  Get a notebook and a pencil, write it down.  
>> I took it upon myself, after call number 5, to try to login to 
>> FaceBook with his username and password, password was wrong, reset 
>> it, retrieved his email, changed his password...  yada, yada, yada...  
>> (I hate yada, yada, yada, by the
>> way)
>> Wife tells me that she thinks he changed it last night when he was 
>> drunk so that she couldn't get on his account.  But after all of that 
>> I hear...
>> "See, I told you it was their fault because he fixed it".  *sigh*  I 
>> have to add that they are in their late 60's.
>>
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
>> Sent: Tues

Re: [WISPA] One long @#$%& day!

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Wet your fingers and grab a set of Ohm meter probes.  Squeeze with all
your might.  Look at the Ohms.  Then figure out how much current will flow
with one volt. 1/5 of an Amp?

Geeze.

. . . J o n a t h a n


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:59 PM
To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$%& day!

Those currants are killers.

Greg

On Dec 10, 2009, at 10:17 AM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

> As little as 1v with enough currant will kill you. It's not voltage that
kills but rather the currant. It takes 200ma to stop your hear but to get
that much to the hear you have a lot of resistance to overcome and with
only a small amount of voltage you need a lot of juice. 
> 
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike 
> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:30:12
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$%& day!
> 
> 24 volts won't kill you.  25 volts will; with enough current.  :-)
> 
> 
> 
> At 10:00 PM 12/9/2009, you wrote:
>> By low, I was talking about <24 volts. I know the electric company 
>> calls 120 volts. My point was I'm not taking a bucket near any 
>> electrical power lines, period. Thanks!
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
wrote:
>> 
>>> More people die every year from low voltage than from high.
>>> 
>>> Or so I've been told.  But that may not be quite right:
>>> http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/98-131/epidemi.html#fig1
>>> 
>>> Still, far too many deaths from ALL voltages.
>>> marlon
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "RickG" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:07 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$%& day!
>>> 
>>> 
 Not near high power lines. With that said, your comments are very 
 good advice and well taken. It wasnt long ago that a co-worker at 
 the electric company I was at was killed up in a bucket. We should 
 all take high power seriously. Thanks!
 
 On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 wrote:
 
> You mean to say that you've never ended up with the bucket or boom 
> in a place that you didn't expect it to get?
> 
> I sure have!
> marlon
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "RickG" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$%& day!
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Scottie Arnett" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$%& day!
>>> 
>>> 
 "One time, I had to borrow a friends bucket"
 
 I'll assume you meant bucket truck. The day we bought our 
 bucket truck
>>> and
 brought it home, I took a 3/8" drill bit to about 3 places in 
 the bottom of the bucket to let water out.
>>> 
>>> That's not a good idea.  You now give a place for electricity to 
>>> run through your body if you happen to move between a ground 
>>> source and an
> electrical
>>> line.  I've thought of doing that to my truck, but it's really 
>>> not hard to just dump the buckets.
>>> 
>>> I've worked for several electric companies and understand the 
>>> reasoning
>> behind this. But, if you dont use a bucket near high power lines 
>> then its not an issue. -RickG
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Need a new AP

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Old ones.
. . . J o n a t h a n 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 5:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need a new AP

What "devices" don't do WPA in today's world?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
--- Albert Einstein


On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Mike  wrote:

> Most Atheros radios I've seen can have an AP and a "virtual AP."  I 
> have one set up in my office.  One SSID leads to WEP encryption and 
> different router rules.  The other is WPA, virtual, and privileged; 
> for full network access.  Some of our "devices" don't do wpa nicely.
>
> Mike
>
> At 04:12 PM 11/19/2009, you wrote:
> >WEP and WPA at the same time?  Haven't seen that anywhere myself.
> >
> >Who cares about the waste of effort protocol though?
> >
> >Josh Luthman
> >Office: 937-552-2340
> >Direct: 937-552-2343
> >1100 Wayne St
> >Suite 1337
> >Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> >--- Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Jayson Baker  >wrote:
> >
> > > UBNT Bullet M2?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM, pat  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have one small group on an old Cisco Aironet 350, which only 
> > > > does 802.11b.
> > > >
> > > > 1)  I want to have at least a b/g mix, n capable a bonus.
> > > >
> > > > 2)  Must support WEP encryption, but be able to handle a mix of 
> > > > WEP
> and
> > > > WPA simultaneously.  (WEP for legacy clients that I haven't 
> > > > upgraded)
> > > >
> > > > 3)  Must play nice with Tranzeo CPQ and CPE200.
> > > >
> > > > You input is helpful.
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > >
> > > > Pat
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

[Jonathan Schmidt]

...unless, a knowledgeable architect did a 100% home run to a wiring
closet...then you have a chance.
. . . J o n a t h a n 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

Old cat3 has a myriad of stubs...it's awful.  You'll never figure out
what's happening.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

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Behalf Of jp
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

Cat3 == phone line
phone line != Cat3

Phone wiring doesn't even have to make the scale of categories.

A lot of the phone wiring is put in daisy chained with wire nuts, by
electricians, homeowners, etc...


On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 01:12:10PM -0800, Forbes Mercy wrote:
> We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house.
> My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the 
> same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone
line?
> Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring 
> is virtually unused.
> 
> Thanks,
> Forbes
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Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Old cat3 has a myriad of stubs...it's awful.  You'll never figure out
what's happening.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of jp
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

Cat3 == phone line
phone line != Cat3

Phone wiring doesn't even have to make the scale of categories.

A lot of the phone wiring is put in daisy chained with wire nuts, by
electricians, homeowners, etc...


On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 01:12:10PM -0800, Forbes Mercy wrote:
> We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house.
> My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same
> as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line?
> Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is
> virtually unused.
> 
> Thanks,
> Forbes
> 
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Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

[Jonathan Schmidt]

It's dumb.  You could have 100s of folks behind a NAT.

You can identify the account connection to your system but not the ID of
the computer.

It isn't well thought out.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:05 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

You have to be able to Identify the Customer, weather you do it via IP or
any other info is a monior Technicality. A lot of the Subpoena issued
via mail or fax are more 'in support' of whatever the case the appropriate
law enforcemnet agency is working on.

Next time you get a Subpoena  Feel free to ignore it or tell them you
cannot find the info.

If what they are working on is important enough or if you piss off the
right person, having a group of 4 or 5 agents showing up to your office,
and telling you nicely "You can either find the information for us
now, or we can come back with a team of a dozen people and a court order,
and find the information  ourselves by taking everything apart"  is very
real and a tremendous motivator.

If I had not seen them do this, I would have chalked it off to being a
'movie line'.

In Short, you can be a cowboy with an attituted with them, or you can
cooperate, the choice is yours, but the consequences can be very real.



Faisal Imtiaz
Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement

You do NOT have to be able to identify the user by IP.  What you have to
be able to do is forward (in real time) all traffic to LEA.

Butch Evens helped write our standard:
http://www.wispa.org/calea/WCS/index.html
he'll be able to give you much more accurate info on the specifics than I
can.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Clint Ricker" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement


> CALEA does require that you be able to identify subscribers by IP 
> address and, as necessary take captures.  So, once this data is 
> collected for CALEA compliance purposes (as is mandatory), then it can 
> be used in other legal proceedings.
>
> However, I don't see how a service provider has to provide CALEA 
> information unless requested by a law enforcement agency, which would 
> require a criminal prosecution (to be accessed by the CALEA provisions 
> which circumvent some of the normal due process for these requests) or 
> a subpoena in an ongoing lawsuit.
>
> Still, all that said, I find it a complete breach of trust for a 
> service provider to forward that information onto a third party 
> outside of a subpoena or a CALEA request.  This is true in cases of 
> "copyright enforcement", which is usually more of a civil dispute 
> between two parties than a criminal matter.  This breach of privacy 
> could also be abused in other ways: it's not hard to imagine a spoofed 
> copyright violation notice being sent by a child predator or an 
> offended chatroom user who fishes for identification information for
purposes of revenge or abuse.
>
> -Clint
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> This actually leads to another question:
>>  Based on Federal CALEA requirements, aren't we (the service 
>> provider) supposed to keep our detail records of subscibers and usage
logs
>>
>> .We keep logs by using a centralied Syslog server, where we log 
>> access, based on time stamp records, we can go back and see who was 
>> using what IP address at what point in time...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
>> Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> On Behalf Of Adam Goodman
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:01 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
>>
>> Sounds like a lot of work. I think the question should be - Is it 
>> really your (our) job to protect those crappies revenue stream?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Jerry Richardson 
>>  wrote:
>> > So if you are running a NAT/DHCP network, how would you find the
>> offending
>> customer? We are running static/public so we don't run into this.
>> >
>> > I think the simplest way is to require the studio to provide the IP 
>> > for
>> the server delivering copyrighted information.
>> >
>> > The ISP has to be tracking CPE MACs.
>> >
>> > Use MT's torch or Wireshark to look at connections across the 
>> > network to
>> find the BT server IP. Match the connection to the MAC and there you
go.
>> >
>> > Maybe there is an easier way.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >

Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[Jonathan Schmidt]

When browsing DSLREPORTS forums, one can see that it has become a game for
some:  "Who can download the most in a month."  With some high speed cable
operator forums, you can see Terabytes++ beating terabytes+ as useless
garbage is downloaded for the game.  It's like leaving your water hose on
to see who can fill a lake first.  Perhaps that may point to a solution.

Geeze..

. . . J o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

Here's some quick numbers off my network:

for the last 8 days
71% of customers downloaded less than 1 GByte of Data.
The top 10% all exceeded 2 GB
The top 5% all exceeded 4.4 GB
The top 1% exceeded 10 GB



Marco



On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:08 PM, George Morris 
wrote:
> Amen. It would be a very handy thing to maintain that list of
> speedtest servers centrally somewhere, perhaps within WISPA.
>
> We don't belong to WISPA because its FCC centric which really doesn't
> help us much. Much of the dues go to getting the FCC to move in a
> given direction which isn't of much direct help for Canadian WISPs.
>
> If we had some services of this kind that were maintained by the WISPA
> team/members that would change my mind in a heartbeat.
>
> George
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:01 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
>
> I have (hopefully) all the speedtest ips in the allow list.  They run
> speedtest real fast, but download video for an hour and it will
> throttle you.  Find those speedtest IPs and let em run.  Perception is
> everything.  Give them the perception they get that all the time.
>
> Mike
>
> At 12:25 PM 11/8/2009, you wrote:
>>No, but they expect to get their speed every time they get on and they
>>are great at running speed tests. I understand we are int he business
>>of shared bandwidth but the equipment can only handle so much. It goes
>>back to proper ratios. When you do the numbers properly, it doesnt make
financial sense.
>>
>>On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Jayson Baker 
> wrote:
>>
>> > Not everyone uses 6Mbps all day long.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, RickG  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Thats one way to utilize bandwidth shaping but how do you "
>> > > guaranteed minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and 6Mbps" at those low
>> > > rates to every use and make money? Maybe I'm wrong
>> > but
>> > > the problem I see is that you will end up having unhappy
>> > > subscribers
> when
>> > > their expectations are not met. Thats where the premium rates can
>> > > come
>> > in.
>> > > I
>> > > find people all the time who would pay more for committed speeds
>> > > if it
>> > can
>> > > be delivered.
>> > >
>> > > BTW: Cricket Communications, subsidiary of Leap Wireless has lost
> money
>> > > since its inception and continues to do so. Give me an example of
>> > > an non-subsidized "all you can eat service" company in a
>> > > competitive
> market
>> > > that actually makes money (bottom line).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jayson Baker
>> > > 
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Ya know, we've looked at this many times over the past couple
>> > > > years,
>> > and
>> > > > even tested it for a bit.
>> > > >
>> > > > Fact is, people like unlimited, and not having to guess.  I,
>> > > > myself,
>> > > being
>> > > > a
>> > > > fairly lite user of the Internet, would still always opt for an
>> > unlimited
>> > > > plan--even if I knew my bill may be lower on a pay-per-use
>> > > > plan.  I
>> > have
>> > > > unlimited cell phone minutes, txt messages, etc.  If I could
>> > > > pay for unlimited utilites, I'd certainly do that too!
>> > > >
>> > > > We've got the infrastructure in place for a pay-per-use, and
>> > > > could
>> > > activate
>> > > > it at anytime.  We tried selling it about a year ago, and
>> > > > people
> just
>> > > > didn't
>> > > > understand the concept.  People aren't used to it--most people
>> > > > got
>> > online
>> > > > when Internet was $19.95/mo for dialup (or, $22.95 for AOL!),
>> > > > and
> don't
>> > > > remember the 10 for $10 dial-up packages.  Nobody knows what
>> > > > ISDN
> with
>> > > 300
>> > > > hours is.
>> > > >
>> > > > We currently offer 12Mbps service for $24.95/mo.  This makes us
>> > > > the
>> > > fastest
>> > > > in the area, and the cheapest.  We have local sales, support
>> > > > and installations.  We decided the way to win is to shape
>> > > > traffic--we
> offer
>> > > > three 12Mbps packages; one with a guaranteed minimum of
>> > > > 1.5Mbps,
> 4Mbps
>> > > and
>> > > > 6Mbps.  If you do nothing than browse, share pictures, etc. (i.e.
>> > "normal
>> > > > use") you'll always see the 12Mbps.  But once you fire up a
>> > > > torrent
> or
>> > > > Netflix, you only get t

[WISPA] Holy cow!

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Dell, Microsoft Launching Broadband Net In Rural Virginia
Computer Companies Join TDF Foundation, Spectrum Bridge To Debut Network
Using 'White Spaces'

John Eggerton -- Multichannel News, 10/21/2009 3:47:19 PM


Computer companies Dell and Microsoft are scheduled to join with TDF
Foundation and Spectrum Bridge Wednesday to launch a broadband network in
rural Virginia, using the so-called white spaces between TV channels.

House Communications Subcommitee Chairman Rick Boucher, who represents
rural Virginia, is scheduled to be on hand as the companies host a Webcast
with residents of an Appalachian community talking about how wireless
Interent connectivity can change their lives.

The government is currently working on a national broadband plan,
including freeing up even more spectrum space for wireless Internet.

Spectrum Bridge, a sort of Ebay for identifying available spectrum in
secondary markets, launched a Web site in February to help identify
available open TV channels. The site can be used by wireless Internet
providers to figure out whether there is enough spectrum in a potential
service area to make it economically viable.



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Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

[Jonathan Schmidt]

However, should the subscriber cascade NATs, then the DHCP server will see
the MAC only of the first.  If it then feeds another Wi-Fi router, you
will not be able to use the MAC found with NetStumbler to trace it.

If, however, an AP is connected to your service and is "open", even if
cascaded, you can associate with it and e-mail yourself at your office and
find the IP address of your own modem that is the account from the e-mail
header.  Or, just ping your NOC from the associated laptop.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:02 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

We have a winner!  We were discussing this very thing a month or so ago in
a different thread looking for ways to discover and block.  and now
here it is.  I'll be looking into this animal further.  Thanks.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:15 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

Sure 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

Oh, hell yes, Brother-man!  This is looking good. Can you then block that
mac?



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:29 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

Yes, and there's more.  

If you have a subscriber re-distributing the service through a Wi-Fi AP
(such as an apartment manager offering free Internet to the renters from
your service), you can get a lot of information to help you discover it.
For example, NetStumbler (if you do a truckroll to the suspect with a
laptop running it) will reveal the MAC address of the AP no matter what
encryption they are using (it's necessarily revealed during the initial
association).  If it's attached to your modem and it gets it's address
from your DHCP server, then the MAC address of the CPE is revealed in
Option 82.  A quick LeaseQuery and BINGO!

. . . J o n a t h a n


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:02 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

Okay, I see the option 82..  I'm totally new to this one.  How do you
log the info from it?  


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

This has DHCP option 82 written all over it. It's very popular in a DOCSIS
environment. I assume the Alvarion equipment doesn't support option 82. If
this is the case you could do it via an option 82 capable switch. The
switch could tell you what port, MAC, IP, etc.

Good luck.

-Eric

Cameron Kilton wrote:
> We are looking into a DHCP delivery method that doesn't require the 
> use of Mac Addresses to enter. We are using all Alvarion VL equipment 
> (5.x &
> 900) the problem is:
>
> We want Customer to plug in device and get a DHCP address, easy right.
> Okay hard part, without the use of Mac addresses how can we tell which 
> customers are what and log this into a database. Is there a way to 
> control this via the radio?
>
> We don't want to use PPPoE so that option is out, we currently provide 
> Static IP numbers for everybody but would like to get away from this 
> in certain (cheaper) markets.
>
> Come on guys, hit me with your best ideas on this one. Were at a wall.
>
>
> Thank You,
> Cameron
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Sure 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

Oh, hell yes, Brother-man!  This is looking good. Can you then block that
mac?



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:29 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

Yes, and there's more.  

If you have a subscriber re-distributing the service through a Wi-Fi AP
(such as an apartment manager offering free Internet to the renters from
your service), you can get a lot of information to help you discover it.
For example, NetStumbler (if you do a truckroll to the suspect with a
laptop running it) will reveal the MAC address of the AP no matter what
encryption they are using (it's necessarily revealed during the initial
association).  If it's attached to your modem and it gets it's address
from your DHCP server, then the MAC address of the CPE is revealed in
Option 82.  A quick LeaseQuery and BINGO!

. . . J o n a t h a n


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:02 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

Okay, I see the option 82..  I'm totally new to this one.  How do you
log the info from it?  


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

This has DHCP option 82 written all over it. It's very popular in a DOCSIS
environment. I assume the Alvarion equipment doesn't support option 82. If
this is the case you could do it via an option 82 capable switch. The
switch could tell you what port, MAC, IP, etc.

Good luck.

-Eric

Cameron Kilton wrote:
> We are looking into a DHCP delivery method that doesn't require the 
> use of Mac Addresses to enter. We are using all Alvarion VL equipment 
> (5.x &
> 900) the problem is:
>
> We want Customer to plug in device and get a DHCP address, easy right.
> Okay hard part, without the use of Mac addresses how can we tell which 
> customers are what and log this into a database. Is there a way to 
> control this via the radio?
>
> We don't want to use PPPoE so that option is out, we currently provide 
> Static IP numbers for everybody but would like to get away from this 
> in certain (cheaper) markets.
>
> Come on guys, hit me with your best ideas on this one. Were at a wall.
>
>
> Thank You,
> Cameron
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Yes, and there's more.  

If you have a subscriber re-distributing the service through a Wi-Fi AP
(such as an apartment manager offering free Internet to the renters from
your service), you can get a lot of information to help you discover it.
For example, NetStumbler (if you do a truckroll to the suspect with a
laptop running it) will reveal the MAC address of the AP no matter what
encryption they are using (it's necessarily revealed during the initial
association).  If it's attached to your modem and it gets it's address
from your DHCP server, then the MAC address of the CPE is revealed in
Option 82.  A quick LeaseQuery and BINGO!

. . . J o n a t h a n


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:02 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

Okay, I see the option 82..  I'm totally new to this one.  How do you
log the info from it?  


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

This has DHCP option 82 written all over it. It's very popular in a DOCSIS
environment. I assume the Alvarion equipment doesn't support option 82. If
this is the case you could do it via an option 82 capable switch. The
switch could tell you what port, MAC, IP, etc.

Good luck.

-Eric

Cameron Kilton wrote:
> We are looking into a DHCP delivery method that doesn't require the 
> use of Mac Addresses to enter. We are using all Alvarion VL equipment 
> (5.x &
> 900) the problem is:
>
> We want Customer to plug in device and get a DHCP address, easy right.
> Okay hard part, without the use of Mac addresses how can we tell which 
> customers are what and log this into a database. Is there a way to 
> control this via the radio?
>
> We don't want to use PPPoE so that option is out, we currently provide 
> Static IP numbers for everybody but would like to get away from this 
> in certain (cheaper) markets.
>
> Come on guys, hit me with your best ideas on this one. Were at a wall.
>
>
> Thank You,
> Cameron
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi?

[Jonathan Schmidt]

In my simple home case it works fine.  I've got Cisco and Polycom VoIP
phones around the house in places I can't get Ethernet and use Buffalo
bridges and they all link back to my Asterisk which links to my office
Asterisk via RoadRunner.  It's been absolutely wireline quality for a
couple of years.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi?

I find the success of VoIP exactly opposite of you.  I directly relate it
to the quality of the Wireless network it runs on...  We do LOTS of both.

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
 Original Message 
> From: "Layne Sisk" 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:58 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] How are you handling  VOIP services over WiFi?
> 
> We have found that the success of VOIP over WiFi is directly related 
> to the quality of the VOIP provider.  Some providers have higher QOS 
> built into their system and those have very good success. Others have 
> tried shortcuts and those tend to have much more frequent problems.  
> It really is like your network, if you build it right it works pretty 
> well but if you take shortcuts they can come back to bite you.
> 
> -Layne
> 
> Layne Sisk
> ServerPlus
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of pat
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:26 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi?
> 
> I haven't  been able to find much in the way of white papers for 
> information regarding VOIP over WiFi.  If someone could share some 
> info with me I would appreciate it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Pat
> 
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Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360

[Jonathan Schmidt]

As my father told me, a poor workman blames his tools.

. . . J o n a t h a n
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:41 PM
To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360

I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag issues.  It
seems a low bandwidth consumer.  How are you guys optimizing for them?
I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there a down side?

I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the
list.

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Re: [WISPA] Micropops

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for
always-on-everywhere.

It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US.

I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas
cities, DC, NYC, etc.

Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use.

How can you compete with that?

. . . J o n a t h a n 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops

I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson
f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy.  Many
places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate
but never get pppoe operating.  There have been a few places where their
DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS.

Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for
data, tethered or not).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West
wrote:

> I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way 
> to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops
>
> Call the office.  Think it out.  What else are you going to do?  Turn 
> into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things 
> don't work?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however 
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney 
> wrote:
>
> > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because 
> > their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that
much...
> >
> > Robert West wrote:
> > > I agree.  I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every 
> > > install
> > online
> > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at.  Not so for me at 
> > > the
> > moment.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops
> > >
> > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if 
> > > it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the 
> > > resident is
> > gone.
> > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so.
> > >
> > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it 
> > > penetrates
> the
> > > wall and the POE.
> > >
> > > Josh Luthman
> > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > Suite 1337
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > >
> > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, 
> > > however improbable, must be the truth."
> > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < 
> > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> inline
> > >>
> > >> Mark Nash wrote:
> > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business.
> > >>>
> > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even 
> > >>> the
> least
> > >>> expensive MPoP?
> > >> 1
> > >> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have 
> > >> a
> > > laptop.
> > >> They
> > >> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage 
> > >> it,
> they
> > >> have
> > >> ZERO access to it)
> > >>
> > >> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out 
> > >> some
> > >> user/pass) is
> > >> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware.
> > >>
> > >>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs
> > devalues
> > >> my
> > >>> business to a prospective buyer.
> > >> Why?
> > >>
> > >>> 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem 
> > >>> for
> > > tech
> > >>> support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows 
> > >>> what
> > > each
> > >>> installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily).
> > >> Documentation!
> > >> I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must. I have a
> place
> > >> where I
> > >> store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still 
> > >> in
> the
> > > one
> > >> man
> > >> shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every 
> > >> application,
> > reams
> > >> of
> > >> note pads, etc. I distill it

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Here's a great historical perspective on DSLREPORTS:
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/What-Network-Neutrality-Is-REALLY-About
-104631

. . . J o n a t h a n 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Clint Ricker
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

?

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
wrote:

> Tell that to espn.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Clint Ricker" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
>
>
> > Tom,
> > Your hypothetical about Comcast, etc... creating "private networks" 
> > is unfounded and not likely to happen.  In the end, it misses the 
> > point that the "Internet", from a consumer perspective, is NOT 
> > bandwidth and has
> very
> > little to do with the bits and bytes that you shuffle around your
> network.
> > The Internet IS the edge, it's the applications and users (since so 
> > much content is peer-generated these days).
> >
> > Want proof?  Block Google and Facebook for 1 day and see how many 
> > people care that "your service" is working :).  Do it for a week and 
> > see how
> many
> > customers you retain.  Repeat for any of the other apps that your 
> > customers use.  The balance of power, in terms of customer 
> > retention, is on the application providers side, since, from a 
> > customer perspective, the apps are Internet.
> >
> > As I recall, the "private networks" were tried back in the 90s by 
> > AOL, etc...  they had a user base of millions and lots of premium 
> > content (in terms of dollar investment, the "best" content was on 
> > AOL, Compuserv, Prodigy, etc... for a time).  It didn't matter, the 
> > users overwhelmingly chose the open Internet.  Even the WISPA crowd 
> > has been more profitable than the guys that chose to do "private" 
> > networks :)
> >
> > Oh, and there's the small detail that every service provider in the
> nation
> > is running their network over public assets: whether it's on the 
> > poles,
> in
> > the ground, or running over wireless using licensed (leased) or
> unlicensed
> > spectrum (which isn't quite the same deal, I realize).  If they want 
> > to run "private" networks, then they have to do it on land that they 
> > own or that they compensate the government for 
> > appropriately--current pole attachment rates and so forth are not 
> > applicable to companies that are wanting to build out solely private 
> > networks.
> >
> > -Clint Ricker
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Tom DeReggi
> > wrote:
> >
> >> For those that have not yet read it, the relevent site to read is
> >>
> >> http://www.openinternet.gov/read-speech.html
> >>
> >> We need to realize and seperate two things...
> >>
> >> 1) that the intent of NetNeutrality expressed at this site, is an 
> >> idealalistic view, to keep the Internet open and free, which is 
> >> hard to combat based on the "ideals", and we should recognize that 
> >> the goal of
> an
> >> open Internet is not specifically what we are fighting.
> >> 2) The reality that idealistic views dont translate to how the 
> >> Internet Industry really works. And the site's proposed methodology 
> >> to attempt preservation of an open network, infact may be harmful 
> >> to consumers and delivery of most common Internet services from 
> >> competitive Access providers.
> >> What we need to fight are mechanisms and ideas that harm access 
> >> providers, or that prioritize content provider's needs over that of 
> >> access providers.
> >>
> >> There is an important thing to realize. One of NetNeutrality's 
> >> biggest advocates is now I think Chief of Staff. (Bruce somebody). 
> >> NetNeutrality will be directly addressed in the new FCC, we can 
> >> count on that. More so than in past commissions.
> >>
> >> Over the next 3 months I believe WISPA will need to get actively 
> >> engaged in Netneutrality lobbying. It will need to be a combined 
> >> effort between legislative and FCC committees.
> >> The Legislative committee will need to fight bills being plannedd 
> >> to be introducted to congress, and FCC committee will need to fight 
> >> for WISP rights in soon to come FCC rulemaking.
> >> It is my belief that government policy makers are timming their 
> >> efforts so legislation and FCC rules will come to effect togeather, 
> >> as legislation is pointing to the FCC to make rules.
> >> We can start to lobby legislators now, while bills are government
> working
> >> groups. And possibly there could  be public hearings, where we 
> >> might be able to request participation in them?
> >> For FCC, we most likely would need to wait for the Notice of 
> >> PRoposed Rule making. Allthough ideally, its technically possible 
> >> to lobby for
> proposed
> >> rules to never get to rule making stage.
> >> (although I dont think its l

Re: [WISPA] Router suggestions

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Just pick any wireless router with a 4-port switch and just don't use the
"WAN" RJ-45 socket.
Then, go in and disable the DHCP...simple thru any of the GUIs on
LinkSys/D-link/NetGear, etc.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 5:23 PM
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If that new router had wireless it would be a 40 dollar piece of
awesomeness.

On 9/20/09, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> Too expensive for a home router.  I do use them most everywhere else, 
> though.
>
>
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> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 4:57 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Router suggestions
>
>> Mikrotik?
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 5:36 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Router suggestions
>>
>> I'm looking for suggestions on an 802.11 router with multiple LAN 
>> ports where I can disable the NAT capability...  making it a bridge.  
>> I used to use the TrendNet TEW-452BRP, but it's EOL and the TEW-633GR 
>> is too expensive ($100).  I'm looking for something in the $30 - $45
area.
>>
>> No Linksys, I don't want to tarnish my name.  :-p
>>
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Jack, you're quite welcome.  There are lots more examples, like renewing
my ham radio license (have you checked http://www.vanityhq.com/ to see a
GOOGLE MAP of all the hams in your neighborhood?...it's amazing).

 

About the 10Mbps.it isn't a requirement at all now nor is 5Mbps even.  My
point is that the various bureaucratic and legislative ears are bombarded
by a cacophony of specifications and functions that make no sense to them.
Hence, we get things back that make no sense.

 

. . . j o n a t h a n

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps

 

Jonathan,





Thank you for your very good examples of how you use "always-on" broadband
to take care of Medicare, driver's license renewals, etc. 





We will use these examples to help make the case why broadband should be
extended to all Americans. 





Your point about students needing 10 Mbps is important too although,
without adequate spectrum, this can be technically challenging to do
wirelessly for large numbers of people. Perhaps the government should
consider subsidizing WISPs who extend fiber to rural locations. 





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Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I read a survey not long ago (sorry, can't find it) that showed that, by
far, the most important factor in "broadband" access was always-on as
opposed to interrupting your phone service, waiting a minute before you
can browse, etc.  This was a survey of folks who had broadband.

I manage my Medicare on line, obtain renewals for driver's license and
auto registrations, pay my property taxes, and save the government lots
and lots of money by doing those activities myself.  There are many
reasons the government is actively promoting universal, convenient
Internet access.

I have both "speed boost" RoadRunner cable HSD service and 768K DSL as an
automatic (lower metric on my router) backup and can say that it's not a
disaster when RoadRunner goes down although it is certainly
noticeable...especially if I go to YouTube.  It's not RoadRunner's fault
that we live in more rural settings with a really perpendicular vertical
utility pole very unusual...most are off up to 10 degrees and wiggle a
lot.

Back to broadband; A 1Mbps service that's always on would allow students
to do their school work, allow on-line government activities, let you
check the weather, etc., and, although not zippy, it is quite functional
and certainly would permit the do-it-yourself governmental activities
without the problems with dial-up.

However, the acceleration of the availability of facilities that only work
well at 10Mbps and above is happening very fast and I wouldn't be
surprised that students in K-12 as well as universities will soon be
required to watch video teaching aids that will demand that.

By the way, I have been getting 1Mbps tethered from my laptop through my
AT&T 3G phone service for several years, as well.  It's $15 a month with
no consumption limit.  The latency makes it a bit of a sporty course to
use, however.

Now, put all that together, all those speeds, all the vehicles (Cable,
WISP, DSL, and 3G), and comparisons with countries where people are
crammed together cheek to jowl instead of your neighbor being on the
opposite side of a mountain the size of Sweden and, furthermore, imagine
an FCC bureaucrat facing a technically-challenged congressman...

Well, the problem speaks for itself.

. . . j o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Curtis Maurand
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Says Fixed Wireless Only Delivers 1 Mbps

Jack Unger wrote:
> Hi Victoria,
>
> The FCC Workship "1 Mbps" statement is very, very generalized. It's 
> nothing to get upset about.
>
> If we want the FCC to update their knowledge about WISPs then we need 
> to educate the FCC. We DO educate them with every FCC filing and 
> presentation that we make. In the last year, we've made about a dozen 
> written filings plus an in-person presentations to four of the five 
> previous FCC Commissioners and to the FCC OET staff. Keep in mind that 
> everything we write or present becomes a part of the public record.
>
> WISPA's FCC Committee is working on writing and filing FCC Comments 
> right now, at this very moment. This filing is in response to an FCC 
> "Notice of Inquiry" (NOI) about "advanced telecommunications services" 
> and "broadband". The NOI asks whether broadband is being deployed to 
> all Americans in a reasonable and timely fashion. The NOI asks five 
> "core questions".

Ooh.  Ooh.  This is easy.  :-)
>
> (1) How should we define "advanced telecommunications capability" or 
> "broadband?" *(NOTE:  The FCC is asking about "speed" here)* 
A reasonable enduser experience with websites like YouTube, Hulu or BBC 
without too much finger drumming.
>
> (2) Is broadband available to all Americans?
>
No
>
> (3) Is the current level of broadband deployment reasonable and timely?
>
No
>
> (4) What actions, if any, should the Commission take to accelerate 
> broadband deployment?
>
This one is harder.  If we want to perpetuate the duopoly system that 
dominiates the urban/suburban landscape, then:
Mandate that 100% of America (and territories) be covered, with a 
deadline for compliance and stiff fines for non-complience.
Otherwise, huge tax breaks for the little guy (read WISP) to get the job 
done.  If you're a company with over 50 employees, no tax break.
>
> (5) What actions should the Commission take to improve its regular 
> broadband data collection efforts?
>
>
Help the little guy, because he's the one who'll serve where the duopoly 
won't.


duopoly = CATV monopoly plus ILEC.

--C
> We've got to be a little careful about how we ask the FCC to define 
> broadband because:
>
> 1. If we set the bar too high, for example by saying that "broadband" 
> is 5 Mbps or more then we risk excluding WISPs who do not provide at 
> least 5 Mbps. They may not be eligible for funding or may not even be 
> considered legitimate WISPs.
>
> 2. Some WISPs do not understand the difference between "raw" data rate 
> and 

Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings

[Jonathan Schmidt]

The only one that I know that does that is Perftech.

Otherwise, it must be a black hole.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings

Pretty confident finding the MACs behind a NAT device is impossible.

I do remember some discussion on this list (or the Moto one) that
suggested a white paper by a company that had created software that can
intelligently guess if there was NAT judging by how it created sockets.

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On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:38 PM, ralph  wrote:

> Rogue detection mostly a joke.  Now before you go all whacky on me- I 
> don't mean that it is a joke to want to know if you have someone who 
> has brought an AP into the office building and inadvertently created a 
> hole in the armor.  I just mean that there is very little use for it
other than that.
>
> When I was the "Wireless Subject Matter Expert" for Coca-Cola, I would 
> have loved this in our corporate headquarters.  I actually tried to 
> buy an IDS but could not fund it. A 25 floor reflective glass and 
> steel office building is generally isolated enough from the outside 
> world that a rogue showing up WOULD likely be on your network. Only 
> place I see any use is in a controlled place like that.  And by the 
> way, I shut down many a rogue using Airmagnet Laptop's "geiger 
> counter" function.  The highlight of the day was the shocked look on 
> someone's face when I would barge into their office, unplug the AP and 
> put it and all the wires on their desk all in about 10 seconds!
>
> Since then, I have done many outdoor mesh systems and indoor wireless 
> systems using the Cisco Wireless LAN Controller based product.
> They include rogue AP detection and it is not only a royal pain, it 
> cannot be disabled.  Who cares if Joe down on the corner has an AP?
> Rogue detection wastes time and resources and is truly only 
> accurate/usable in a controlled setting. In a four square mile city, I 
> had 300-400 rogue alerts at any given time!  I knew where every 
> Linksys was in the city. And heaven forbid you had a node near a
Wal-Mart or Home Depot.
>
> I saw Ruckus' announcement with their controller product and thought  
> "now there's another company that is introducing something that really 
> serves no purpose".
>
> Anyway- just my two cents about rogue detection
>
> Ralph
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:27 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
>
> Just as a FYI. Systems like Ruckus Wireless have built in 'Rouge AP'
> detection capabilities. Which would allow you to manage such from 
> remote, without the need to do a 'fly by'.
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Eric Rogers
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:17 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
>
> We deploy in fairly dense housing editions for our wireless service 
> and run across this occasionally.  We use PPPoE for logged in routers 
> and DHCP to put them in a "Not Configured" pool of IP addresses.  
> During an installation, we configure the routers for them, securing
their wireless.
> If someone plugs a new router in, by default, most routers use DHCP 
> for configuration.  They get a page that says..."Your Router Lost it's 
> Configuration... Here is documentation on how to set it up."
> In the instructions it walks them through setting up PPPoE and the 
> wireless on their network.
>
> We then drive through the edition quarterly to audit and if we find 
> one wide open, we log into the router and set the WPA Key to 
> NETWORK_WIDE_OPEN or I_WAS_HERE.  Then when they call we explain that 
> neighbors may possibly be able to get into their computer, they are 
> usually... "Really, I didn't know that."  If they refuse to lock it 
> down, or we find it multiple times, it violates our Terms of Service 
> and disable their account until they call in and we tell them to stop 
> doing it or we will disconnect their service and that sharing is not 
> permitted.
>
> We haven't had very many problems with it.  We actually had someone 
> call in because they felt guilty for stealing one of our customer's
internet.
> We got there for a site-survey and found he was pulling off of 
> Comcast, not us.  We left it...
>
> Eric Rogers
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
> (317) 831-3000 x200
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:

Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content FilterSuggestion for School

[Jonathan Schmidt]

...but, so many links are IP addresses instead of host name/header, I'm
curious how a DNS involvement would do anything.

. . . j o n a t h a n

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content
FilterSuggestion for School

I just thought about "how to get around this" and I wanted to share my
thoughts.  If a location needs this filtering and you use opendns you'll
want to drop all forwarded DNS traffic.  Force everyone to use an internal
DNS server which in turn looks up via OpenDNS.

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On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Jason Hensley 
wrote:

> On this same subject, anyone offering "upgrades" for filtered Internet
> service to their clients?  Anyone using OpenDNS to do this?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of ccrum
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:29 PM
> To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School
>
> OpenDNS is approved for this...best thing is it is free.
>
> Cameron
>
> Scott Carullo wrote:
> > I need a web content filter for K-12 school.  Paid Subscription ok.
> >
> > Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement.
> Need
> > asap.  Thanks...
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Brevard Wireless
> > 321-205-1100 x102
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Yes, Mike, it isn't the same as sending a letter...even if the color of
the envelope is indicative of some situation.  Nevertheless, the legal
rules are very strict...nobody but the addressee can open it.

When you put something on every screen on every PC using a subscriber's
account and reveal any financial matter, especially an embarrassing one, a
"hot head" may, when enraged, do all sorts of things...especially if the
mistake isn't theirs (which is a small but possible event).

If you can get the account holder to sign into a Web site with their
assigned USERNAME and PASSWORD...that's OK and you can exchange
confidential information.  If you can get them to call, that's OK ("...can
I have your name and last 4 digits of your SS#?).

Creating a "gated garden" which allows an immediate click-to-restore but
states that a situation exists that requires the account holder to call a
phone number is OK since it doesn't slander the account holder (maybe
mistakenly), can verify the account holder, and, if the message screen is
only on port 80 and doesn't stop the VoIP phone from accessing 911, etc.,
there is no jeopardy.  And, that screen can come more and more
frequently...maybe every 5 minutes until they call.  

...just a further thought.

. . . j o n a t h a n
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:27 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

You're correct with the liability thing...  it sucks that people sue over 
such petty things.


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------
From: "Jonathan Schmidt" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:38 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

> There is some potential liability in this.
>
> You don't know if friends are visiting and using the computer...or, the
> subscriber has an Wi-Fi w/o WAP/WEP and others are (potentially
> accidentally) using it.  In any case, you could be slandering the
> subscriber by calling them deadbeats to other people.
>
> It seems more polite to hit them over and over or persistantly with a
> demand that they contact a phone number to address a problem with their
> subscription.  It also may stop a law suit...a typical response from a
> real deadbeat.
>
> Cutting off the service is an option but it may enrage the person to
> "never do business with that company again."  What you need to do is
talk
> with them without slandering them.
>
> ...just a thought...
>
> . . . J o n a t h a n
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:03 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
>
> Well. We kinda do this now. When a customer get to far out. We manually
> add a rule to the router at the tower site he is connected to that
> redirects all his port 80 traffic to a webpage that says basically, "You
> didn't pay you bill for a long time and you need to contact us and make
a
> payment to before your web surfing will be available again." Email still
> works, etc...
>
> We will still do that. But what I am trying to accomplish is to have my
> billing system log into the client as soon as is hits 31+ in the billing
> system and set a rule on the router board that will now occasionally
> interrupt the clients web browsing by redirecting them to a page letting
> them know they are now 31+ past due and offer them the chance to pay
now.
> If they chose to not pay now, they can just continue with what they were
> doing. This way they are always in the "know" that they are behind and
are
> presented with a way to cure that immediately. Again since the client is
> not way behind I just want the surfing to be redirect occasionally.
>
> Next step would be after this is gone on and they hit 40 days the next
> script would be ran where it redirects all there web traffic
indefinitely
> to the pay your bill page until paid.
>
> I hope that explains it better.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck Profito" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:45:59 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
>
> Why not just a redirect of all port 80 traffic on that ip at 60 days, to
> the 'Gracious Offer' page,  "If you call in the next seven days there
will
> be no reup fees, please see your e-mail!", Or maybe just redirect them
to
>

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

[Jonathan Schmidt]

There is some potential liability in this.

You don't know if friends are visiting and using the computer...or, the
subscriber has an Wi-Fi w/o WAP/WEP and others are (potentially
accidentally) using it.  In any case, you could be slandering the
subscriber by calling them deadbeats to other people.  

It seems more polite to hit them over and over or persistantly with a
demand that they contact a phone number to address a problem with their
subscription.  It also may stop a law suit...a typical response from a
real deadbeat.

Cutting off the service is an option but it may enrage the person to
"never do business with that company again."  What you need to do is talk
with them without slandering them.

...just a thought...

. . . J o n a t h a n
 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

Well. We kinda do this now. When a customer get to far out. We manually
add a rule to the router at the tower site he is connected to that
redirects all his port 80 traffic to a webpage that says basically, "You
didn't pay you bill for a long time and you need to contact us and make a
payment to before your web surfing will be available again." Email still
works, etc...

We will still do that. But what I am trying to accomplish is to have my
billing system log into the client as soon as is hits 31+ in the billing
system and set a rule on the router board that will now occasionally
interrupt the clients web browsing by redirecting them to a page letting
them know they are now 31+ past due and offer them the chance to pay now.
If they chose to not pay now, they can just continue with what they were
doing. This way they are always in the "know" that they are behind and are
presented with a way to cure that immediately. Again since the client is
not way behind I just want the surfing to be redirect occasionally.

Next step would be after this is gone on and they hit 40 days the next
script would be ran where it redirects all there web traffic indefinitely
to the pay your bill page until paid.

I hope that explains it better.

Thanks,
John

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck Profito" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:45:59 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

Why not just a redirect of all port 80 traffic on that ip at 60 days, to
the 'Gracious Offer' page,  "If you call in the next seven days there will
be no reup fees, please see your e-mail!", Or maybe just redirect them to
a Web Mail Portal sign in page...  then 7-14 days later it ALL gets turned
off including cancellation fees, if any.


Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
cprof...@cv-access.com
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:05 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

Yepp bit expected. Because a web page consists of multiple images most of
the time and if you use every nth you never know if that rule will then
hit a icon, text page or picture file that is retrieved. 

You could setup something that uses the hotspot service and the
advertisement banners. Or I created a solution with Gatespot that when the
user login to the hotspot will redirect them to a messaging system that
will display any messages to the user if there are any and if there isn't
then the user will get their original requested webpage just like normal.


/ Eje

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

What I am attempting to do is setup a script to put on the client
routerboard when there account becomes 30+ days behind. This script will
occasionally redirect the clients web browser to a notice page that lets
them know there account is past due and offer a payment page. If they
refresh they should be able to continue browsing. This is intended to be
multipurpose, informative to the user in case they forgot to pay, offer a
quick way to get caught up and be a tad annoying until paid.

I tried this experiment on my home connection:

0 X chain=dstnat action=dst-nat to-addresses=1.2.3.4 to-ports=80 
 protocol=tcp src-address=0.0.0.0/0 dst-address=!1.2.3.4 dst-port=80 
 nth=5,1

Really did not work as planned. Occasionally I would get the page at the
1.2.3.4 server but most of the time I would get broken links and partially
displayed pages?

John Buwa
Michiana Wireless


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Re: [WISPA] DVR experience

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I've used the IQeye for several years with 5 megapixels giving me a
terrific view with fine detail (like license plates 100 feet away at
night).
http://www.iqeye.com/megapixel-network-security-camera.html

They are Web servers in addition to every other possibility you can think
of.

They automatically switch from day to night B&W and become incredibly
sensitive to IR.  I have a cheap IR lamp that makes the night front
acreage look like daytime but is invisible to the human eye.

Anyway, they've been totally reliable for several years without a single
reboot required.

. . . j o n a t h a n

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Behalf Of jp
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 12:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DVR experience

The composite video link is the likely limit for most inexpensive 
cameras. 

I used an Axis 240 box a long time ago for a webcam, and it had multiple 
inputs. The svideo input looked a lot better than the composite, so I 
used a cheap 2nd hand hi-8 video camera for it's input. svideo is 
probably no better than 640x480 digital.



On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 11:20:25AM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Can non-IP cams support higher resolutions?  I don't know where, but the

> analog lines have a limit as to how much you can send over them given
that 
> old technology.
> 
> 
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:49 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DVR experience
> 
> > What I'm trying to do is not use an expensive high quality ip cams. A
> > couple years ago I did a cam job using a Sony. When I was researching
> > the project I talked to a guy that does cams for a living.
> >
> > He said, for the money you spend on an ip cam, you could get a lot of
> > non ip cams.
> >
> > I don't know very much about cameras, figured there is some experts
here
> > on the list that can help educate me-us.
> >
> >
> >
> > D. Ryan Spott wrote:
> >> I am using Mobotix for cameras. The DVR software is free. Or the cams
> >> can perform the DVR function. Hit me offlist and I can give you a
link
> >> to 2 I just put up out of 22 for a small city.
> >>
> >>
> >> ryan
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 1, 2009, at 6:16 PM, George Rogato wrote:
> >>
> >>> Anyone working with dvr's and cameras that they really like?
> >>>
> >>> I'm looking for advice on what is good and what is not.
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Nokia SIP is built-in in most of their phones and easy to configure as an
Asterisk SIP extension...any "smartphone" version I've had for several
years, at least.  (Granted...the e61 and e61i demanded stronger signal
strength requirements for Wi-Fi but newer versions are quite "hot").
. . . J o n a t h a n 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Wyble
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

Blackberry Curve and Pearl on t-mobile. Works like a champ. Use it all the
time, along with heavy torrenting and other use.

George Rogato wrote:
> Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still 
> make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service?
> 
> Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I have had a series of Nokia phones will use Wi-Fi thru its built-in SIP
client directly to my office Asterisk and have been doing that for several
years.  The E71 I have now is FAR superior to the earlier models in terms
of Wi-Fi sensitivity.  I use it in conferences overseas...Europe and
Brazil and Mexico for free US calling.  It works very well and I leave it
on during the shows and my office can call me with the 4-digit Asterisk
extension.  There's a Skype for it and the iPhone, too.

. . . J o n a t h a n

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John.bates
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:49 PM
To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

Iphone+skype = VOIP

Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Rick Kunze  wrote:

> The iPhone will do data via wifi.  And I'm pretty sure I recall 
> running into some that will do phone calls via wifi-voip.  I think 
> they were the HP smart phones.
>
> Rk
>
> On 5/26/2009 3:12 PM, George Rogato wrote:
>> Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still 
>> make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC

[Jonathan Schmidt]

...talk about going all over the place

1   0 ms[206.210.208.1] jschmidt-router.pt.net
2   *** timed out ***
3   11 ms   [24.28.133.126]
gig10-0-6.snantx6000-rtr2.satx.rr.com
4   12 ms   [72.179.205.84]
gig3-1-0.hstntxl3-rtr1.texas.rr.com
5   18 ms   [66.109.6.108]  ae-2-0.cr0.hou30.tbone.rr.com
6   18 ms   [66.109.6.181]  ae-0-0.pr0.dfw10.tbone.rr.com
7   16 ms   [64.132.69.65]  
8   49 ms   [64.132.248.230]
9   50 ms   [64.132.248.230]
   10   *** timed out ***
   11   49 ms   [208.65.55.55]  gs1-bw.141servers.com 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC


I'm pretty sure the FCC and the testing labs don't care who you are or
where you buy your stuff...  thats not what they are looking for.  Example
- I choose to take 4 parts (some mikrotik) and get them certified - I
can  Do you see this differently?

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

 Original Message 
> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" 
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:43 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
> 
> First, you have to be a distributor of MT to be able to certify. It 
> has to be a certified system, as well has to have all of the images, 
> text etc on it as well.  You can only get those if you are a MT
distributor.
> 
> * ---
> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board 
> Member - wispa.org  Link Technologies, Inc -- 
> Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member*
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> Randy Cosby wrote:
> > Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then?  What does that 
> > entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio 
> > that

> > are fcc certified?  Do you have the entire unit tested and 
> > certified,
or 
> > do yo see that as not necessary?
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> > Eje Gustafsson wrote:
> >   
> >> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of
antennas.
> >> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can 
> >> also
use
> >> XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. 
> >>
> >> There are other solutions as well. 
> >>
> >> We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. 
> >>
> >> / Eje Gustafsson
> >> CTO
> >> WISP-Router, Inc.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> >> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
> >>
> >> Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed.  I've seen
that 
> >> JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear.  Is that based on the same 
> >> Mikrotik program you describe here Mac?  Is that information 
> >> available from Mikrotik to any reseller?
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
> >>
> >> Mac Dearman wrote:
> >>   
> >> 
> >>>   Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA
based
> >>> resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's 
> >>> all
in the
> >>> paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is 
> >>> in
the
> >>> paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be
readily
> >>> available in the near future.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mac
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>> 
> >>>   
>  -Original Message-
>  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
>  Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>  Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM
>  To: WISPA General List
>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
> 
>  Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now.  Not sure on anyone
else.
>  I
>  think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down
everyone
>  else.
> 
> 
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>  Sent: Wednesday, 

Re: [WISPA] One connection bandwidth=x / 2 commections bandwidth=2xwhy?

[Jonathan Schmidt]

It required 72 seconds via RoadRunner with "Turbo Boost" option.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

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Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] One connection bandwidth=x / 2 commections
bandwidth=2xwhy?


Yes lots of them, from different internet connections as well.  Focusing
on customers from BHN connecting to our TW Telecom fiber circuit.  Have
not been able to do enough testing outside our network though to be
certain.  

That leads me to a request...  can anyone who reads this that has decent
amount of bandwidth (>20mb available) download this file and tell me your
provider and how fast the transfer was so long as its not being limited on
your side.  I should have approx 80MB free bandwidth for this transfer
when you run it...

http://208.65.55.55/dummy.zip

This will help me out a bit...   thanks.   Email me off list if you want 
with the results...

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

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> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:53 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One connection bandwidth=x / 2 commections
bandwidth=2x why?
> 
> Have you tried with a different PC?
> 
> On 5/11/09, Scott Carullo  wrote:
> > Any TCP traffic multiple apps same results
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Brevard Wireless
> > (321) 205-1100 x102
> >
> > On May 11, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Jeff Broadwick 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> We ran into something like that when a customer was using his 
> >> laptop to generate traffic on a frac DS3 circuit.  The issue was 
> >> primarily due to how his application was trying to generate 
> >> traffic.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> >> On
> >> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Linktechs
> >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:41 AM
> >> To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One connection bandwidth=x / 2 commections 
> >> bandwidth=2x why?
> >>
> >> Speed limit per connection?  Or per IP?
> >>
> >> * ---
> >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board 
> >> Member - wispa.org  Link Technologies, Inc 
> >> -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member*
> >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net 
> >>  */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* 
> >> 
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> >> sender and delete the material from any computer.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott Carullo wrote:
> >>> On our main upstream connection 100mb fiber a speedtest to BHN
yeilds
> >> about
> >>> 7MB max when 15 is there...
> >>>
> >>> Open two connections tcp and now the transfer rate doubles (from
same
> >>> server to same client).
> >>>
> >>> What would cause this?
> >>>
> >>> Scott Carullo
> >>> Brevard Wireless
> >>> 321-205-1100 x102
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Re: [WISPA] ccr.gov

[Jonathan Schmidt]

True, but neither resolved this morning...to anything.
Those who were involved in the dialog were correct...the DNS was broken to
that domain and all relative domains.

. . . J o n a t h a n
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ccr.gov

Guys...

http://www.ccr.gov

You need the www

www.ccr.gov resolves 64.136.241.42

ccr.gov resolves 208.69.36.132

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Don Grossman 
wrote:

> 
>
> Have you called you ISP or network administrator?
>
> 
>
> Sorry, couldn't pass this one up only because this sounds sooo much 
> like something our customers would say.
>
> On Mar 24, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>
> > It's big and important.  That's the web site for all government 
> > types to find their suppliers.
> >
> > It's been down all morning (since about 8am pacific anyway).  It's 
> > 12:30 now and still broken.
> >
> > marlon
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "David E. Smith" 
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] ccr.gov
> >
> >
> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> This seems to be offline.  Can ANYONE get to it?
> >>
> >> dig +trace ccr.gov says its DNS servers are broken.
> >>
> >> If it's big and important it'll get fixed soon enough.
> >>
> >> David Smith
> >> MVN.net
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> I find that people who advocate for tolerance are the least tolerant 
> people.
> unknown
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Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?

[Jonathan Schmidt]

The statistics might appear to be distorted in favor of whomever has an
agenda.

This country has always has an enormous percentage of immigrants, many of
whom require a generation to acquire the language and economics to
participate in infrastructure, the Internet notwithstanding.

Consequently, the "stats" may be viewed as suspect...according to the
agenda of those screaming.

. . . J o n a t h a n
 

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Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?


http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Whats-The-US-Doing-Wrong-With-Broadband
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Re: [WISPA] Indoor video cameras with dvr system

[Jonathan Schmidt]

It's hard to beat Costco:
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11334480&whse=BC&topnav=&;
browse=&lang=en-US&s=1 with a big hard drive and browser-viewing locally
or anywhere.  The whole thing, cameras, console with Web server and hard
1/4gig hard drive, etc., for $299.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

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Behalf Of Alan Long
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:08 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Indoor video cameras with dvr system

 I have a dorm that wants to put in 3 video cameras to monitor the doors,
and the want to be able to remote in from web and look at cameras. Thanks
for any help..

 





  

 

 



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Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I'm not sure that LinkedIn exposes public e-mail addresses but it does
give you the option of posting your own Website which, in turn, may expose
an e-mail address.
. . . j o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn

Doesn't anyone worry about anyone data mining email addys and such?

Nothing is ever free on the internet!
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Martha Huizenga" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn


> Hi Jeff,
>
> I think I added you late last week. If not today. I see your name on the
> members list.
>
> Thanks! Lots of people joined today after the discussion on the list.
>
> Martha
>
> Martha Huizenga
> DC Access, LLC
> 202-546-5898
> */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/
> Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
>
> /*
>
>
>
> Jeff Broadwick wrote:
>> Hi Martha,
>>
>> I put in for membership to the Wispa group a couple days ago, but I
don't
>> think it's gone through yet.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Martha Huizenga
>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:27 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am on Linked In and Facebook. Facebook is new to me and I don't find
it 
>> as
>> easy as LinkedIn, but probably cause it's new. Also, LinkedIn has been 
>> more
>> advatageous as far as business for me. I use it to find people that I 
>> know
>> who know managers and owners of multi-tenant units. That way I don't
have 
>> to
>> do cold-calling. You could also use it to find installers by adding
your
>> status, I would assume.
>>
>> I am planning to use Facebook more as a fan page where I can get 
>> residential
>> users interested and give them more information. More as an advertising
>> tool. You can also advertise on Facebook and use very specific 
>> demographics
>> for your advertising.
>>
>> As someone mentioned, don't forget to join the LinkedIn WISPA Group.
>> This is a great place for us to have discussions and to share articles.
>>
>> Martha Huizenga
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter

[Jonathan Schmidt]

"Back in the days", highly active distributed offices used, as an
improvement on telegraph lines, (read that "Railroad stations" or
"Associated Press offices") they had "order wires" where some were on
audio and some on teletypes and it was like the current Nextel
walkie-talkie where, if anyone talked with an outburst like: "...anyone
got a thingamajig available?", then everyone would hear immediately.

You can set up Twitter like that and have the message delivered to others'
cell by SMS or e-mail, etc., and it doesn't require paying Nextel and it's
ad-hoc and flexible and can be set up in a minute and you can control who
takes part.

Most use is social fun but it has the value for organizing a distributed
group efficiently, as well, and the nice part is that you don't have to
write down what the loudspeaker blurts out to check the part number or rip
a 6" sheet off the teletype and stuff it in your pocket.

Am I old?  Yeah.

. . . J o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:32 PM
To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter

Use this link.. it will give you all the information you need to know
about twitter: 

But really, I know what Scott is saying. Since becoming a provider/ fixer
of the net I rarely have time to _use_ it.

ryan


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On Feb 22, 2009, at 10:47 AM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

> First hit on google and the 4-5 next hits state its a social 
> networking micro blog system.
>
> Would taken you less time to try a google search then asking on the 
> list.
>
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Reed 
>
> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:36:32
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter
>
>
> Yep, providing it.  That doesn't mean I know or use everything that is 
> on it.
> Kinda link assuming a librarian has read every book in the library.
> So, I will ask, too, just what is twitter?
>
> Gino Villarini wrote:
>> Are you in the Internet Bizz ?  :-)
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] 
>> On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
>> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:18 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter
>>
>> Pardon my ignorance, but what is twitter? (I guess I could google it, 
>> but the name sounds like it would bring up too many abstracts.)
>>
>> Scottie
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> Date:  Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:49:24 -0600
>>
>>
>>> I was thinking about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Sam Tetherow" 
>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:08 AM
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: [WISPA] OT: Twitter
>>>
>>>
 Just curious if anyone other than myself (@tetherow) and Peter R
 (@radinfo) use twitter.


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Re: [WISPA] OT: Twitter

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I do, occasionally...sort of like a walkie-talkie.
. . . j o n a t h a n

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Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:08 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] OT: Twitter

Just curious if anyone other than myself (@tetherow) and Peter R 
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Re: [WISPA] HP/Lenovo Netbook

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Yeah...don't make me feel bad... 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 6:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP/Lenovo Netbook

They're the bricks to the nerd cave!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Jonathan Schmidt
wrote:

> Those T42s are real workhorses.  I can highly recommend new trackpoint 
> rubber head replacements.  A new one doesn't slip on a sweaty finger 
> and costs about a dime on eBay if you buy them in lots of 100 (heck, 
> give the rest away).
>
> I've got my 750, 755, two of the butterfly keyboard units - 701s, 240, 
> 560s, two 600s, 5 760s of various series, T-20s thru T43s, 
> X20-30-40-41s, and an X300...the 750s and 701s come from the early 90s.
> They all work...still.  I know, I was dumb not to sell them on eBay 
> when they were worth something.  Now they just sit there.  But, they 
> make me happy.
>
> . . . J o n a t h a n
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of David Hulsebus
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP/Lenovo Netbook
>
> I'm sure I still bleed a little blue, but I've used a Thinkpad - now 
> Lenovo since 1993. I'd still have the 486 based 700 series, but IBM 
> wanted it back when I left. I've had five laptops and haven't bought a 
> new one because of breakage yet - replaced only for performance issues.
> We still have an old PIII in use as a terminal on one of our racks. 
> They get carried onto roofs, up water tanks, have been dropped from 
> short distance and have never failed to perform when picked back up. 
> I'll echo John, I could have paid more but a year old processor does
what I need.
> And yes, I also have one of the A31 series that runs Ubuntu. Works 
> very well as a workstation around the office.  I absolutely love the 
> trackpoint. I have issues with the trackpad and sweat on my fingers in 
> the summer, it makes moving the pointer a problem for me. I bought two
> T42 series last month coming off lease for $250 each for installation 
> work.
>
> David Hulsebus
> Portative Technologies
> www.portative.com
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
> > I have seen several HP laptops - nothing really good or bad about 
> > them, they're just out there.
> >
> > I am a die hard fan of Thinkpad,  Thinkpads for me.  Thinkpad moved 
> > their manufacturing half to Lenovo.
> >
> > I just bought our new employee a $500 Lenovo from Systemax/Infotel 
> > and I'm quite impressed.  There are touch sensitive buttons for 
> > media, the screen has NO latch to break (it's magnetic or part of the
hinge).
> > The keyboard isn't quite Thinkpad goodness but is still better then 
> > most.  The screen is awfully reflective.  Battery LEDs on the 
> > chassis
> itself is also a bonus.
> > Great specs for an installer.  Also I should note Butch Evans has 
> > used a Lenovo for years - he has proven his laptop works quite well 
> > as a Linux workstation.  I only wish I could make that leap.
> >
> > For $500 I couldn't be happier - I need to get one myself (ethernet 
> > port
> > fried) but I need it dock capable.  Not sure if Lenovo offers that.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> > --- Henry Spencer
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM,  wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Anyone using one of these? Would love to hear pros and cons
> >>
> >> Tnx
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Re: [WISPA] HP/Lenovo Netbook

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Those T42s are real workhorses.  I can highly recommend new trackpoint
rubber head replacements.  A new one doesn't slip on a sweaty finger and
costs about a dime on eBay if you buy them in lots of 100 (heck, give the
rest away).

I've got my 750, 755, two of the butterfly keyboard units - 701s, 240,
560s, two 600s, 5 760s of various series, T-20s thru T43s, X20-30-40-41s,
and an X300...the 750s and 701s come from the early 90s.
They all work...still.  I know, I was dumb not to sell them on eBay when
they were worth something.  Now they just sit there.  But, they make me
happy.

. . . J o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David Hulsebus
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP/Lenovo Netbook

I'm sure I still bleed a little blue, but I've used a Thinkpad - now
Lenovo since 1993. I'd still have the 486 based 700 series, but IBM wanted
it back when I left. I've had five laptops and haven't bought a new one
because of breakage yet - replaced only for performance issues. 
We still have an old PIII in use as a terminal on one of our racks. They
get carried onto roofs, up water tanks, have been dropped from short
distance and have never failed to perform when picked back up. I'll echo
John, I could have paid more but a year old processor does what I need. 
And yes, I also have one of the A31 series that runs Ubuntu. Works very
well as a workstation around the office.  I absolutely love the
trackpoint. I have issues with the trackpad and sweat on my fingers in the
summer, it makes moving the pointer a problem for me. I bought two
T42 series last month coming off lease for $250 each for installation
work.

David Hulsebus
Portative Technologies
www.portative.com

Josh Luthman wrote:
> I have seen several HP laptops - nothing really good or bad about 
> them, they're just out there.
>
> I am a die hard fan of Thinkpad,  Thinkpads for me.  Thinkpad moved 
> their manufacturing half to Lenovo.
>
> I just bought our new employee a $500 Lenovo from Systemax/Infotel and 
> I'm quite impressed.  There are touch sensitive buttons for media, the 
> screen has NO latch to break (it's magnetic or part of the hinge).  
> The keyboard isn't quite Thinkpad goodness but is still better then 
> most.  The screen is awfully reflective.  Battery LEDs on the chassis
itself is also a bonus.
> Great specs for an installer.  Also I should note Butch Evans has used 
> a Lenovo for years - he has proven his laptop works quite well as a 
> Linux workstation.  I only wish I could make that leap.
>
> For $500 I couldn't be happier - I need to get one myself (ethernet 
> port
> fried) but I need it dock capable.  Not sure if Lenovo offers that.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM,  wrote:
>
>   
>> Anyone using one of these? Would love to hear pros and cons
>>
>> Tnx
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Re: [WISPA] HP/Lenovo Netbook

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Yes, and, in London once, I had a dropped Thinkpad fixed there in a day.
Super service in many parts of the world...important for travelers.

. . . j o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP/Lenovo Netbook

Note that Thinkpad supports their laptops (great stuff!), Lenovo supports
their own.

Josh Luthman
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On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Jonathan Schmidt
wrote:

> After seven years, we've got nothing but Thinkpads now.  A Dell
overheated
> constantly and frequently shutdown.  The Toshiba lost a drive, a power
> supply, and keycaps.  Two HPs (new within the past year) have screen
> defects...stripes.
>
> The Thinkpads just keep on truckin' except for one that dropped.  They
> fixed it in a day no questions asked.
>
> The one problem we had for a while with X40 and T43 types was the
> occurrence of some brighter smudges on the screen...hard to see...but
> appear to come from external pressure on the top from those who travel
and
> squeeze it into a suitcase.  The very slight brighter quarter-sized
areas
> aren't a problem but don't seem to occur on newer models.  The Thinkpad
> X300 is an absolute dream machine...thin like a Macbook Air but has
> Ethernet, a super-thin DVD writer, and a replaceable battery.
>
> It's our company policy now to be sticking with Thinkpads...now, from
> Lenovo.
>
> . . . j o n a t h a n
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:18 PM
> To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP/Lenovo Netbook
>
> I have a Computer Store as well as RC-WiFi.  The only notebooks I sell
as
> a rule is Lenovo.  Have sold probably 50 last year and did not have a
> single one return for hardware issues.  For business they are rock
solid.
> Not big fan of the low end models.  Prefer the $700 and up systems.
>
> We also repair notebooks.  We work on a lot of HP/Compaq. A LOT!! I have
> to give a lot of HP owners My sales flyer and say sorry.  Find a nice
deep
> hole for this one.
>
> If you are looking for a Installer laptop truthfully consider the ASUS
EEE
> with WinXP Very small unit 8.9" screen. Winbox, putty, web all work
great
> good battery life, Ethernet and 802.11b/g. Around $400 no CD/DVD to
break.
> Just a small workhorse.
>
> Steve Barnes
> Executive Manager
> PCS-WIN
> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:01 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] HP/Lenovo Netbook
>
> Anyone using one of these? Would love to hear pros and cons
>
> Tnx
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] HP/Lenovo Netbook

[Jonathan Schmidt]

After seven years, we've got nothing but Thinkpads now.  A Dell overheated
constantly and frequently shutdown.  The Toshiba lost a drive, a power
supply, and keycaps.  Two HPs (new within the past year) have screen
defects...stripes.

The Thinkpads just keep on truckin' except for one that dropped.  They
fixed it in a day no questions asked.  

The one problem we had for a while with X40 and T43 types was the
occurrence of some brighter smudges on the screen...hard to see...but
appear to come from external pressure on the top from those who travel and
squeeze it into a suitcase.  The very slight brighter quarter-sized areas
aren't a problem but don't seem to occur on newer models.  The Thinkpad
X300 is an absolute dream machine...thin like a Macbook Air but has
Ethernet, a super-thin DVD writer, and a replaceable battery.

It's our company policy now to be sticking with Thinkpads...now, from
Lenovo.

. . . j o n a t h a n


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:18 PM
To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP/Lenovo Netbook

I have a Computer Store as well as RC-WiFi.  The only notebooks I sell as
a rule is Lenovo.  Have sold probably 50 last year and did not have a
single one return for hardware issues.  For business they are rock solid.
Not big fan of the low end models.  Prefer the $700 and up systems. 

We also repair notebooks.  We work on a lot of HP/Compaq. A LOT!! I have
to give a lot of HP owners My sales flyer and say sorry.  Find a nice deep
hole for this one.

If you are looking for a Installer laptop truthfully consider the ASUS EEE
with WinXP Very small unit 8.9" screen. Winbox, putty, web all work great
good battery life, Ethernet and 802.11b/g. Around $400 no CD/DVD to break.
Just a small workhorse.

Steve Barnes
Executive Manager
PCS-WIN
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] HP/Lenovo Netbook

Anyone using one of these? Would love to hear pros and cons

Tnx

Bob

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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Re: [WISPA] Hose Clamps

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I have no idea of the deterioration factors in tie wraps but every one
I've used outside here in Texas has "popped" within 2 years.  Now, we are
closer to the equator than Cairo and have lots of UV but some have been
the supposedly-UV-immune black versions and that didn't help.

Somehow they become brittle.

. . . J o n a t h a n
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:16 PM
To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hose Clamps

Are you referring to mounting the moto radio to a pole?  I would go with
hose clamps as a fall back - I prefer bolts (ARC, Trango, Tranzeo).

Lines and things that just need to be held so they don't flap in the wind
is where I suggest zip ties.

On 2/4/09, Scottie Arnett  wrote:
> I lost 3 900Mhz Moto SM's due to plastic zip ties breaking, module 
> hanging upside down, and filling up with water. Take my word for it, 
> use hose clamps or metal zip ties. Your back pocket will fill much
heavier.
>
> Scottie
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Josh Luthman 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:52:45 -0500
>
>>Zip ties are cheaper.
>>
>>Putting them on is easy.
>>
>>Taking them off you cut them and use another.
>>
>>I don't want to hear any hippies complaining about the environment 
>>until it pays my bills!
>>
>>On 2/4/09, Brian Rohrbacher  wrote:
>>> The zip ties that come with them are ok in the summer, but in the 
>>> winter, they break into pieces every time we try to use them.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> Randy Cosby wrote:

 What - you're too good for zip ties? :)

 These are handy, haven't tried them on the nanos though:

 http://www.cabletiesandmore.com/american/catalog/product_info.php?c
 Path=21_126&products_id=649



 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

>
> Looking for a good source, good deal for a qty of hose clamps.  I 
> would like to find em at $0.50 each if I could.  Probably 2 inch 
> or so.  I just need a good size for nano stations.
>
> Brian
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Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Jeff, it doesn't have to be in-country...although a few thousand miles
does add latency that a 300 mile-wide country doesn't have.  By the way,
that's our East coast to West coast problem.

Akamai provides nearly-modem-limit downloads for things like
upgrades...for participants.

Other than that, unless the provider has their own video servers on their
fiber backbone, 20Mbps is sufficient for any server across the USA.  This
is certainly a subject to consider when contemplating the complexities of
New Neutrality, by the way.

. . . J o n a t h a n

 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:28 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ

Agreed, I don't like the international comparisons because they are
apples/oranges.  It's not fair to compare a small country with a lot of
people to the vast expanse of the US.  There really isn't another
developed country to compare to with the challenges we face for broadband
deployment.
There is also a question of who's numbers do you believe. 

Additionally, those blazing speeds tend to end at the nation's border.  If
you are downloading from a site in-country great, out of country, not so
great.

The reason I posted the article was for the info on the "stimulus" package
and it's broadband component.

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:52 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ

Most of the innuendos and descriptions were ill-defined making the
conclusion flawed but it makes a good story yet pretty bad information.

First, I'm in San Antonio and if I drive IH-10 to El Paso, I see nothing
for 1,000 kilometers and I'm still in Texas.  How do you compare that with
the cheek-to-jowl population in Asian countries?  Deployment problems are
entirely different.

Second, I get about 1Mbps on my Nokia browser virtually anywhere I've been
in the country on AT&T's 3G MediaNet and it costs me $19.95 a month.  I
get that on my laptop using the same phone as a modem.  AT&T makes money
from this.

Third, I've got plain old RoadRunner at home and get nearly 20Mbps which
is nothing compared to what Comcast and others are rolling out but, with
typical latency to various sources, it is rarely the limitation.  I could
have low-end DSL for $14.95 a month at home if price were a consideration.
Both providers make money on this service.

Geeze, WSJ, get the information right.

. . . j o n a t h a n





-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ

I'd like to ponit out that the article leaves out some information, and it

leaves you with a false impression because of it.  It made note of the 
"price" of broadband being cheaper in Japan and other places.   That's
true,
but much of the infrastructure was funded by tax dollars, instead of the
customers of the ISP's.

I believe if this were properly acounted for, internet would be cheapest
in 
the US, and more everywhere else.   It's not the price, it's the COST that

matters, and cost must include the publicly financed portions of the 
equation.   Everyone pays for that, not everyone uses it, and that cost is

rarely factored in these articles.   That leaves a false impression of it 
being cheap, which it is not and has not ever been.







- Original Message -
From: "Jeff Broadwick" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:38 AM
Subject: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ


> Congress Approves Broadband to Nowhere Why the U.S. lags in Internet 
> speed.
>
>*
>  By L. GORDON CROVITZ
>
>
> In Japan, wireless technology works so well that teenagers draft 
> novels
on
> their cellphones. People in Hong Kong take it for granted that they 
> can check their BlackBerrys from underground in the city's subway 
> cars. Even

> in
> France, consumers have more choices for broadband service than in the
U.S.
>
> The Internet may have been developed in the U.S., but the country now 
> ranks 15th in the world for broadband penetration. For those who do 
> have
access 
> to
> broadband, the average speed is a crawl, moving bits at a speed 
> roughly one-tenth that of top-ranked Japan. This means a movie that 
> can be downloaded in a couple of seconds in Japan takes half an hour 
> in the
U.S.
> The BMW 7 series comes equipped with Internet access in Ge

Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Most of the innuendos and descriptions were ill-defined making the
conclusion flawed but it makes a good story yet pretty bad information.

First, I'm in San Antonio and if I drive IH-10 to El Paso, I see nothing
for 1,000 kilometers and I'm still in Texas.  How do you compare that with
the cheek-to-jowl population in Asian countries?  Deployment problems are
entirely different.

Second, I get about 1Mbps on my Nokia browser virtually anywhere I've been
in the country on AT&T's 3G MediaNet and it costs me $19.95 a month.  I
get that on my laptop using the same phone as a modem.  AT&T makes money
from this.

Third, I've got plain old RoadRunner at home and get nearly 20Mbps which
is nothing compared to what Comcast and others are rolling out but, with
typical latency to various sources, it is rarely the limitation.  I could
have low-end DSL for $14.95 a month at home if price were a consideration.
Both providers make money on this service.

Geeze, WSJ, get the information right.

. . . j o n a t h a n





-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ

I'd like to ponit out that the article leaves out some information, and it

leaves you with a false impression because of it.  It made note of the 
"price" of broadband being cheaper in Japan and other places.   That's
true, 
but much of the infrastructure was funded by tax dollars, instead of the 
customers of the ISP's.

I believe if this were properly acounted for, internet would be cheapest
in 
the US, and more everywhere else.   It's not the price, it's the COST that

matters, and cost must include the publicly financed portions of the 
equation.   Everyone pays for that, not everyone uses it, and that cost is

rarely factored in these articles.   That leaves a false impression of it 
being cheap, which it is not and has not ever been.







- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff Broadwick" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:38 AM
Subject: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ


> Congress Approves Broadband to Nowhere
> Why the U.S. lags in Internet speed.
>
>*
>  By L. GORDON CROVITZ
>
>
> In Japan, wireless technology works so well that teenagers draft novels
on
> their cellphones. People in Hong Kong take it for granted that they can
> check their BlackBerrys from underground in the city's subway cars. Even

> in
> France, consumers have more choices for broadband service than in the
U.S.
>
> The Internet may have been developed in the U.S., but the country now 
> ranks
> 15th in the world for broadband penetration. For those who do have
access 
> to
> broadband, the average speed is a crawl, moving bits at a speed roughly
> one-tenth that of top-ranked Japan. This means a movie that can be
> downloaded in a couple of seconds in Japan takes half an hour in the
U.S.
> The BMW 7 series comes equipped with Internet access in Germany, but not

> in
> the U.S.
> The Opinion Journal Widget
>
> Download Opinion Journal's widget and link to the most important 
> editorials
> and op-eds of the day from your blog or Web page.
>
> So those of us otherwise wary of how wisely the stimulus package will be
> spent were happy to suspend disbelief when Congress invited ideas on how

> to
> upgrade broadband. Maybe there are shovel-ready programs to bring 
> broadband
> to communities that private providers have not yet reached, and to
upgrade
> the speed of accessing the Web. These goals sound like the digital-era
> version of Eisenhower's interstate highway projects, this time bringing
> Americans as consumers and businesspeople closer together on a faster
> information highway.
>
> But broadband, once thought to be in line for $100 billion as part of
the
> stimulus legislation, ended up a low priority, set to get well under $10
> billion in the package of over $800 billion. This is a reminder that
even
> with a new president whose platform focused on technology, and even with

> the
> fully open spigot of a stimulus bill, technology gets built by private
> capital and initiative and not by government.
>
> The relatively small appropriation is not for want of trying. A partial 
> list
> of the lobbying groups involved in the process is a reminder of how
> Washington's return to industrial policy requires lobbying by all: the
> Information Technology Industry Council, Telecommunications Industry
> Association, National Cable & Telecommunications Association,
> Fiber-to-the-Home Council, National Association of Telecommunications
> Officers and Advisors, National Telecommunications Cooperative 
> Association,
> Independent Telephone and Telecommunications Alliance and Organization
for
> the Promotion and Advancement of Small Telecommunications Companies.
>
> The result was a relatively paltry $6 billion for broadband in the 

Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman OT

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Note on life insurance...it's not good to "find out" first and not reveal
it on the application nor to reveal it and pay double the premiums.

. . . j o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ron Harden
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:56 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman OT

Diet:  Low in saturated fat and low in cholesterol.  No cheese, bacon,
sausage, cookies, doughnuts, beef, butter.  Look for healthy alternatives.
Believe it or not, before long even the heart-healthy foods will taste
good.
Seafood, no-fat cheese, more salads and very lean ham or turkey are good.
No beef.  Just read the nutritional labels on anything you buy before it
goes in your mouth.  I don't eat anything with more than 2 grams of
saturated fat per serving.

 

Meds:  The docs played with the meds for a while until we finally got the
LDL down < 70.  I'm on 10 Mg Zetia, 80 Mg Pravastatin (generic equivalent
for Pravachol), 10 Mg Lisinopril (blood drug) and a baby aspirin.  The
statin drugs are notorious for causing muscle pains, but I don't have any
problem tolerating the Pravachol. 

 

Word of warning to all:  If over 40 I suggest that you have a test done to
determine if there is any plaque buildup in your arteries.  Don't rely on
a
simple stress test in combination with an annual physical to determine if
heart-healthy.  I had a stress test in which nothing showed up, 6 months
before the heart incident (80-90% blockage in main arteries).  Since my
experience, all of my friends over 40 have had a heart CT scan (or some
equivalent) done.  One of them owned his own telecom company, and after
the
test, went out and bought a $10 mil life policy because they found
something.

 

Hope this helps.Ron 

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown - 3 [mailto:ch...@beehive.net] 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman OT

 

So, what is that diet like?  Lipitor was killing me so I threw it away.

 

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

> Behalf Of Ron Harden

> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:21 AM

> To: 'WISPA General List'

> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman Update

> 

> Mac:  Call me when you feel like talking...I had 2 stents inserted 7
years

> ago and have the diet down pat -- OK it might be boring -- but in

> combination with the heart drugs, my bad cholesterol (LDL) is down to
62.

> When the LDL is below 70 they have found that the arteries start to
flush

> themselves of plaque build-up.

> 

> Call when better and we can compare stents!  :)

> 

> My heart doc says it might even improve your libido!  Can I say that on 

> the

> list serv?

> 

> Best...Ron

> 

> 

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: Jeremy Davis [mailto:jere...@maximumtech.biz]

> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:08 AM

> To: WISPA General List

> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman Update

> 

>> Did she say if he had a stint?

> 

> He did.

> 

> Sincerely,

> 

> Jeremy Davis, CEO

> Maximum Technologies, LLC

> Office 318.303.4725

> www.maximumtech.us

> 

> 

> 

> 

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Re: [WISPA] Does anyone recycle cable?

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Unfortunately, copper has dropped to about a third of what it sold for
last Spring:
 http://www.lme.co.uk/copper_graphs.asp
. . . J o n a t h a n
 

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Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:32 PM
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That is a great idea.  Never thought about it before.  With Chuck's
comment, I am curious to see how much usable copper is in the cable
though.

-Jeff

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We've been keeping our used ethernet cable for recycling. I found a couple
of companies on the Internet, but no response. Does anyone have a place to
recycle this?

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Re: [WISPA] Need a power supply?

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...and don't forget to add the 24/7 sentries required (as stated on their
Web site).
 

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There have been at least two startups that had much the same idea (small,
sealed underground reactors that could not go critical, would not need
touched, no major moving parts, etc) and could never get the O.K. for it.
The most notable one I remember wanted to put one in Alaska where they
could really really use it as many places have nothing but diesel gen-sets
for primary AC. IIRC (and might be wrong) they found people willing but
the EPA and US Gov said no to the deal. Doing some fast math here $75 (my
avg bill) X 20,000 = $1.5MM so a 2 year ROI. I would bet you would need to
add 2 years or so to that for permits, shipping, etc if not more. Not to
horrible sounding.




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> Dunno ,,, What is the US policy on this? Go, no go?   
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> One that I can buy as a private citizen?
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>> Toshiba has one available
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>> I would buy one today if I could.
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Re: [WISPA] IBM backs BPL

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nd does just fine.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] IBM backs BPL
>>
>>
>>> To clarify, by "real interference" I meant they are no worse than
>>> anything else we deal with. Like any RF transmission, there are
>>> emmisions, but those can be dealt with just like the way we (WISP's)
>>> deal with them. The ARRL made a mountain out of  molehill and it was
>>> all political as far as I'm concened. They used the BPL as a scapegoat
>>> to try and get the electric companies to fix the interference hams
>>> receive from aging electrical insulators which causes all kinds of
>>> noise.
>>> I personally saw a perfect example of the bias against BPL
>>> interference. A parade of hams came to our pilot test site and claimed
>>> we were interferering with them then & there. The funny part: We had
>>> the system turned off! We showed it to them and they were totally
>>> embarrased and speechless. When we turned the system back on, they
>>> admitted that the noise was no worse than when it was off. We has
>>> spectrum analyzers to prove it. There are some hardliners out there
>>> that would not give up. To make their point they would drive their
>>> vehicles (equipped with ham radio and whip antenna) within a few feet
>>> and directly under the powerline and guess what? Give me break.
>>> Basically, except for a few viable installations still running, BPL
>>> was killed in it's infancy. Too bad.
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 1:04 AM, Jonathan Schmidt
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> "You are correct, electric companies saw huge benefits for internal
use
>>>> but the real reason it did not move forward was because electric
>>>> companies
>>>> are conservative by nature and they didnt like the heat coming from
the
>>>> ARRL over interference issues, which btw were not real."
>>>>
>>>> The interference is real.  The ARRL is real and very conservative. 
>>>> And,
>>>> any conductor carrying RF that isn't a proper, geometrically arranged
>>>> transmission line, properly terminated in the proper impedance, will
>>>> radiate and radiate most of its RF energy.  Where do you think that 
>>>> goes?
>>>> And, where do stubs dissipate their RF?...into the 4th dimension?
>>>>
>>>> Were it not for careful oversight of the spectrum, we would be back
in
>>>> the
>>>> stone ages with AM and FM and TV because of interference.  Police and
>>>> fire
>>>> radios would be hit and miss.  Our licensed and unlicensed spectrum 
>>>> would
>>>> be a mess.
>>>>
>>>> Blasting the HF spectrum into random lengths of conductors and stubs
at
>>>> watts of power has proved to be nasty.  It isn't just the ARRL...the
>>>> courts have decided that.
>>>>
>>>> It isn't just RF on the power lines, either.  You can hear DSL
>>>> interference in neighborhoods with overhead telephone wiring on poles
>>>> when
>>>> you try to listen to local AM stations at night when they are forced
to
>>>> drop their power.  The political influence of the Telcos to force 
>>>> through
>>>> their agenda may be followed by that of the electric companies but it
>>>> won't be to our advantage.
>>>>
>>>> They have the right of way, the poles, and the money.  Stringing a 
>>>> fiber
>>>> along the poles along with the wiring would seem to be a far better
and
>>>> long term strategy than to pretend that wires are wires and that 60Hz

>>>> is
>>>> the same as 600,000Hz and the ground return and distribution are
>>>> compatible architectures.
>>>>
>>>> The entire concept is pseudo-science, appealing to those who are
easily
>>>> fooled into thinking wishes become true because it sorta makes sense.
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan Schmidt
>>>>
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[Jonathan Schmidt]

"You are correct, electric companies saw huge benefits for internal use
but the real reason it did not move forward was because electric companies
are conservative by nature and they didnt like the heat coming from the
ARRL over interference issues, which btw were not real."

The interference is real.  The ARRL is real and very conservative.  And,
any conductor carrying RF that isn't a proper, geometrically arranged
transmission line, properly terminated in the proper impedance, will
radiate and radiate most of its RF energy.  Where do you think that goes?
And, where do stubs dissipate their RF?...into the 4th dimension?

Were it not for careful oversight of the spectrum, we would be back in the
stone ages with AM and FM and TV because of interference.  Police and fire
radios would be hit and miss.  Our licensed and unlicensed spectrum would
be a mess.

Blasting the HF spectrum into random lengths of conductors and stubs at
watts of power has proved to be nasty.  It isn't just the ARRL...the
courts have decided that.

It isn't just RF on the power lines, either.  You can hear DSL
interference in neighborhoods with overhead telephone wiring on poles when
you try to listen to local AM stations at night when they are forced to
drop their power.  The political influence of the Telcos to force through
their agenda may be followed by that of the electric companies but it
won't be to our advantage.  

They have the right of way, the poles, and the money.  Stringing a fiber
along the poles along with the wiring would seem to be a far better and
long term strategy than to pretend that wires are wires and that 60Hz is
the same as 600,000Hz and the ground return and distribution are
compatible architectures.  

The entire concept is pseudo-science, appealing to those who are easily
fooled into thinking wishes become true because it sorta makes sense.

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Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news?

[Jonathan Schmidt]

THE STREET.COM

Baltimore's WiMax Network an Early Winner

10/08/08 - 03:43 PM EDT

Gary Krakow 
BALTIMORE -- Forget about 3G -- that's the past. 

It's now time to consider 4G wireless networks, especially the kind
announced here in on Wednesday. 

Sprint(S Quote - Cramer on S - Stock Picks) and partners Intel(INTC Quote
- Cramer on INTC - Stock Picks), Samsung, Motorola(MOT Quote - Cramer on
MOT - Stock Picks), Nokia(NOK Quote - Cramer on NOK - Stock Picks), Nokia
Siemens Networks, ZTE and ZyXEL, along with computer makers Acer, Asus,
Dell(DELL Quote - Cramer on DELL - Stock Picks), Lenovo, Panasonic,
Sony(SNE Quote - Cramer on SNE - Stock Picks) and Toshiba officially
inaugurated the world's first 4G network called Xohm (pronounced Zome). It
runs on a new technology called WiMax. 

The event was self-congratulatory, with a lot of patting each other on the
back and saying how amazing it was to get a 4G network up and running
before anyone else could. 

I'll give them that. 

But the companies also admitted that Baltimore, their first rollout city,
was not 100% complete. It's more like 75% complete -- with what were
termed "bubbles" where the WiMAX signal didn't perform at its best. Xohm
Chief Technical Officer Barry West said that was OK, and that they would
soon fill in all the holes. He added that Baltimore was chosen first
because its layout and the harbors provided a challenge to his engineers.
Wait until he tries New York! 

After all the ceremonial ribbon-cutting, everyone was allowed to road-test
the service -- figuratively and literally. We hopped inside a minivan to
get an idea at how well the new 4G service works. We were driven around
Baltimore's Inner Harbor while downloading files, watching videos and
surfing the Web. 

What we saw was very impressive -- we're talking downloads as fast as
5,557 kilobits per second and 1,702 kilobits kbps for uploads. It was even
faster in the simulated home-use setup we were shown. Previous rumors had
suggested there were indoor reception problems for WiMax. 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news?

WiNOG did have the Wu Wu special

2 Parts Technical Jargon
1 Part Credit Card Processing ON DISCOUNT

:)

Some humor for a great Wednesday afternoon

-Jeff
General Manager
CTI
(773) 667-4585 x2509


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Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:42 PM
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WiMAX World was a bunch of mobile pipedream stuff with an emphasis on in
the clouds technology roadmaps, haha.

What most people got out of WiNOG was the ability to speak with other
operators ACTUALLY deploying 3.65 gear.  Can't really describe the good
parts, except for getting Redline and Aperto's full attention for 2 days
instead of being attacked by 300 vendors.

I think everyone in our industry is aware of the benefit of 3.65 being
open spectrum and the ability for high quality service due to WiMAX's QoS
capabilities.  Only time will tell with which manufacturer will win your
hearts but the mobile stuff that WiMAX World spoke about is not it at this
point.

-Jeff
General Manager
CTI
(773) 667-4585 x2509


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Well, lets hear it!  I was unable to attend, even tough I really wanted!

Gino A. Villarini
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Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news?

Nothing terribly exciting at WiMAX World

WiNOG, on the other hand...



-Charles


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Any interesting news?



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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:33 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Radwin 2000

Hi,

Has anyone heard of or used products by Radwin (www.radwin.com)?

I understand they are releasing the Radwin 2000 series of 5.x GHz
point-to-point links in the US in November.

The price is very attractive.

My main concern is performance & reliability. We can test the
performance within a short period of time, but not the reliability
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Re: [WISPA] Push to install "Mobile Broadband" on laptops

[Jonathan Schmidt]

My Lenovo had an option at purchase of either an internal 3G card (can't
recall if it was AT&T or Sprint) or a "Turbo" cache, which I chose.
I presume it was a mini-PCI option.

My laptops have, for years, tethered to my cell phone via bluetooth.
Before 3G, it varied from a SPEEDTEST of 60K to 150K bps virtually
anywhere in the world I went, from Iceland to Brazil.  With 3G, it
approaches a megabit.  The service, from AT&T, Medianet, adds only $19.95
a month for all you can eat.  I'm not sure they intend for you to supplant
their $60/month service with that but it does just fine...if you insist on
it when you get service.

It's not blazingly fast but ubiquitous and dependable.  Of course, I still
look for a Starbucks or use the hotel service unless it's expensive
because Wi-Fi is still too satisfying to dismiss.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

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Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Push to install "Mobile Broadband" on laptops

inline

David E. Smith wrote:
> Jack Unger wrote:
>
>   
>> Top computer makers, mobile operators and technology providers 
>> announced on Tuesday that upcoming laptop computers would feature 
>> mobile broadband making them ready to surf right out of the box...
>> 
>
> Dell, at least, has offered notebooks with internal air cards 
> pre-installed for a year or more now. Presumably, they're just 
> mini-PCI versions of the standard Sprint/AT&T/Verizon cards, maybe 
> with a different antenna built into the case.
>
> If I traveled more, I'd probably buy one just for the convenience, and 
> the "one less thing to lose" factor of having it built in. Wi-fi at 
> hotels (at least the cheap ones I frequent) is spotty at best, and 
> even when it does work it's basically a shared connection with a 
> number of other guests, rarely with any useful QoS or prioritization, 
> which means I'm sharing the connection with everyone whose kids 
> installed Limewire on dad's notebook and didn't tell him.
>
> So how can the small operators get in on this? :D
>   
Yes; that is the real question. I think the odds of small operators
getting in on this is low (less than 15%).
The only idea that comes to my mind is for professionally-operated small
operators to somehow partner with the least established/most threatened
cellular operator which may be Sprint/Clearwire. If
professionally-operated small operators could somehow allow their existing
tower locations to be "overlaid" with a licensed WiMAX deployment for
example, in return for a chance to be both a sales agent and to receive a
share of the revenue then it could work for all parties.

jack
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Re: [WISPA] DSL Tariffed

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Or, if they have their own mail server, wait until they've begged, over
and over to the LEC, to unblock Port 25.
. . . J o n a t h a n 

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Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 PM
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No, not necessarilly. The 6mbps DSL still has to work, in order for it to
take your business. Just because they offer the a price doesn;t mean the
copper will be available or that the loop will be short enough to
facilitate the speed.

Sure they can take your client on a given day, but that doesn't
necessarily mean they can take your market. There are lots of coverage
holes for DSL.

Don't forget to push the value of your repsonse time guarantees.

There is no credabilty in a LEC promissing something that they aren't
capable of giving. The DSL probably has a 30 day response or repair
guarantee. You can offer them a 2 or 4 hour repsonse wireless guarantee,
and deliver it. A LEC likely will likely never be able to deliver that..


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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>I do recall something to that nature. It just didnt hit me until
> lately. Oh well, expand out further, forget the inner city. Thanks!
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Frank Muto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> No and no. In case you missed it, the FCC Report and Order FCC 05-150 
>> issued on 9/23/05 basically gave your business away to
>> the RBOCS.
>>
>>
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>> www.SecureEmailPlus.com
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>> Subject: [WISPA] DSL Tariffed
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>>> I'm losing a business customer to DSL. They offered them a price much 
>>> below
>>> what they advertise (6Mbps for $49). My question is: Is DSL a tariffed
>>> service and have to sell at their advertised rates?
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I have VoIP service at home with Lingo.  It's about $20 a month unlimited
including all of Austral-Asia and Europe.  I ported my home AT&T landline
number to it.

The nice feature they provide is "simultaneous ring" where you can put any
other numbers in the list (via a Web GUI to their server) and they will
all ring when the primary number rings, cell phones included and, in fact,
any number anywhere in the world their service plan says is free.  Then,
the first to pick up answers the call.

. . . j o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

There are farmers around here without a landline.   They are 100% cellular

now.   They even have spare lines for the temp guys that show up for 
harvest/picking, etc.

I am presently only cellular and I chose that knowing that i do not have 
100% coverage, but that was better than the customer getting 95% voicemail

and me getting my messages only when I happen by the shop.

"unified" would be great, but until we can get the cell carriers to 
cooperate with voip or landline, so we can have single numbers ringing in 
multiple locations, it won't happen.







- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Fiero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


> Agreed
>
> Convergence, or unified communications, will be the answer.  Our
Internet
> services will be the backbone for the future where people carry a
unified
> device that provides both cellular and IP telephony.  These hybrids 
> already
> exist and the use of femtocells will accelerate their adoption.
>
> This puts the WISP clearly in the path of reselling cellular service
that
> gives the user access to a reliable nationwide network when on the road
as
> well as reliable indoor service at their home and office through our
> broadband offerings.
>
> While young mobile singles and couples may survive on cellular only, it
> becomes a whole different story for families, businesses and farms.
They
> can't run the farm if pop takes the cell phone with him to town.  Need
to
> have broadband to access all the goodies from the USDA and other farming
> sources and VoIP is a natural, providing a dedicated phone with great
> features and low cost.  Best of all they can now use their cell phones
as
> extensions of the home or office phone.
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:30 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
> Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
> Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People like
> their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
> Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the
> basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain
> cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of reasons.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>
>
>> We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
>> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
>> Netsapians.
>> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I 
>> think
>
>> I
>> can sell.
>>
>> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.
That
>> is
>> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form
>> from
>> any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines
>>
>> Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price 
>> wars
>> are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST
services
>> on
>> the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
>> transport.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General
>> List"
>> ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
>>
>>
>>> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
>>> launches?
>>>
>>> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you
billing?
>>>
>>> -- 
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>>> Boonlink Communications
>>> 307 Grand Ave NW
>>> Fort Payne, AL 35967
>>> 256.844.9932
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> www.boonlink.com
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality

[Jonathan Schmidt]

With byte cap tiers (the majority of deployment plans outside of the US,
by the way) the most likely "leak" are the youngsters on the home computer
network.  The solution to "leak shock" is communication...well before the
limit is reached if it is climbing rapidly and at, for example, 75% and
100%.  The same thing should hold true with cell phone "SMS shock" ...my
good friend's teenage daughter engages in 3,000 to 4,000 text messages a
month.  They quickly switched to a plan that could economically support
that.  The "communications" on the cell phone was the next monthly bill
but ISPs can communicate immediately to their subscribers in the event
that a "leak shock" appears to be imminent. That can head off Larry's
correct assertion that the customer will claim that the fault is
elsewhere.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Larry Yunker
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:52 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality

>I got a water bill last month for $210 and wasn't angry. My bill the 
>month before was only $30 dollars. I knew what 25,000 gallons of water 
>to fill my pool was going to cost me.

The problem with that analogy is two fold:

(1) you can physically see 25,000 gallons of water that you intentionally
put in your pool whereas you cannot see the 25Gigs of data that has been
downloaded from your laptop when you download a P2P client and that client
software automatically enables sharing. 

(2) you are presuming that someone INTENTIONALLY CAUSED THE INCREASED
USAGE.
My wife works for the local village and she frequently takes calls from
local citizens who have complaints about their water bills.  Most
customers who call in to complain, have something broken that caused the
excessive water charges.  For instance, they might have a toilet that
won't stop running.  Similar circumstances occur in the internet world
when a P2P program automatically shares data with the world OR when a
virus evades your computer and spews volumes of data worthless data out to
the net.

Bottom line.. if you institute bit caps be ready for a barrage of excuses
as to why it wasn't your customer's fault and why you need to reset the
meter.

- Larry









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Re: [WISPA] Report: FCC to Punish Comcast Over Web Blocking

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Without traffic management standards and support, our roads would be a
bloodbath.

Without the FCC you wouldn't have an open frequency for anything.

As a Ham Radio operator for over 50 years, I appreciate the regulations
that protected the nursery for some of our greatest electronic
developments.

With the FCC bending to some political shenanigans we do have some
less-than-fair bias toward (ahem) a segment of the telecommunications
industry.  Granted.

And, on the whole...I'm not sure I agree with the remainder of W.C.
Fields' gravestone (although, they seem to be learning).

But, we have a new and fertile environment for exploitation and
interference.  If a major broadband provider made the sources of media
downloads (iTunes, etc.) either pay or suffer intolerable sluggishness (as
opposed to the provider's own fast-as-hell pay-for-songs/movies site) then
the provider is using their pipe to an unfair advantage.  That's Net
Neutrality as being presented to the FCC and Congress.  Broadband
providers, WISPA members included, are becoming a necessary utility.

Here in San Antonio, the rumor was that (ex-pres.)Ed Whitacre not only
didn't use computers but thought of e-mail as stupid.  He was reportedly
the source of the philosophy that AT&T owned the transport and that GOOGLE
was making BILLIONS off the connection and AT&T wasn't participating.
That's a perfectly natural perspective for an old timer with the
pre-CarterPhone mentality.  As a side note, however, I don't know where he
was during the 1-900 fiasco in the '90s.

However, we need to work together to present the positive benefits that we
bring to the population, like the TVA.  You can't argue with motherhood
and virtue and that's what the message is.  Flailing at boogiemen isn't a
help.  The fact that WISPA helps bring the bottom-of-the-list USA to the
top of broadband users' survey is!

. . . J o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 7:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: FCC to Punish Comcast Over Web Blocking

Hyperbole is not helpful to discourse.
If you want no FCC go to some other country.
Are you really the anarchist you come across as?

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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: FCC to Punish Comcast Over Web Blocking


>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: FCC to Punish Comcast Over Web Blocking
>
>
>> Does the FCC have jurisdiction over all the bit-content passing on the
>> Internet network or control of a providers management
>> of network resources?
>
> Didn't you know the FCC was holy, and that objecting to anything they
want
> is "political" and must be never spoken of here?
>
> /extreme sarcasm
>
> We, as an industry, should have been screaming at the top of our lungs,
> writing objections to EVERYTHING the FCC has tried to demand from us or 
> take
> from us from the day WISPA was a legal entity, till now.   And I mean 
> EVERY
> mandate of any kind.
>
> But no, that's playing "politics".
>
> When they issue decrees that turn your balance sheet negative and
bankrupt
> you, will it still be "political" to object?
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Users Still Cling to Dialup

[Jonathan Schmidt]

My suspicion had been that the wrong question was asked in the survey.

A survey that was richer in probes a couple of years ago placed "Always
on" at the top of the list of "broadband" benefits.

Some sub-questions revolved around the convenience of not blocking the
phone but the very top of the lise was the fact that when any question
popped into your mind, the PC was immediately ready to answer.  One
example was the phone directory; with dial-up, it takes longer to go
through the dial-up process than looking it up in the phone book but with
always-on broadband, the PC is clearly much faster and gives a richer span
of options. 

Going through the buzz-saw noises and minute of sign-on is a put-off for
all but regular uses (like checking e-mail...which always-on users often
do several times a day and this survey reported that dial-up users did it
several times a week).

Yet, you're right...John McCain said he didn't know how to use a computer
last week and the ex-president of AT&T (until last year) said he didn't
either and found e-mail intrusive and useless.  I bet they live in big,
expensive homes.  Maybe that's the key;  I'll just get rid of my computers
and "puff", the magic cloud will transform my house into a mansion.

. . . J o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Users Still Cling to Dialup

My experience selling broadband to rural dialup customers mirrors this.

I've found that in areas where I am the SOLE option, I get about 30 to 50%
take rates.  I get about 75% of the 'net user.  However, about 25% or so,
of those who use internet will remain on dialup and will not pay $10 more
per 
month to get off it.   I am unable to determine if the money is really the

issue, or if they just don't care, becuase interent is so unimportant to 
them.   The rest... generally do not have computers.  I have approached 
people in half million dollar custom new homes, and they tell me they
don't have a computer.

I offer a $25/mo service level and about 10% of my customers use it.   I 
call it a dialup replacement @ roughly 300kb/sec (faster than the 256k dsl
that used to offered here), yet nobody has wanted it for roughly 2 years. 
Some are starting to ask for higher than 2M levels and would pay up to 50
or 60 / mo for it.





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From: "Stephen Patrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 3:50 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Users Still Cling to Dialup


> FYI
> Interesting,
>
> http://www.dailytech.com/Users+Still+Cling+to+Dialup/article12283.htm
>
> http://www.newser.com/article/D91M6BCO1.html
>
> Small quote from that
>
> "The survey does illustrate a concern that some Americans want broadband

> but can't get it, denying them opportunities to work online or take 
> classes online.  Of the rural Americans on dialup, 24 percent said they 
> would upgrade if it was available in their area, whereas only 11 percent

> of suburban users in areas of non-availability and 3 percent of urban 
> users would upgrade."
>
> Regards
>
> Stephen Patrick
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Re: [WISPA] Is anyone using the the open source Zimbra mail server?

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Yes, we have for a couple of years.  

The Zimbra OUTLOOK connector is a Godsend for me.  Wherever I send from:
PDA, home PC, office PC, X300 laptop on the road...or airline club PC with
Web mail, everything is always in synch.  There's a Zimbra connector for
OUTLOOK, my Symbian phone, etc.  If I add a contact on the road thru my
Nokia it ends up in my office, my home, etc.  When I get ready for a
10-day on-the-road trip I have no prep time...the laptop is identical to
my office PC.

The Vista search on the Thinkpad X300 (nice piece of work, might I say
(not Vista)...Macbook Air type thin but with flash hard drive, LED
backlight, no weight, and long battery life) includes the search in the
OUTLOOK/Zimbra folders as well as my Google desktop search on my
desktops...plus there's no real limit to the size of the equivalent of the
PST file...so, I have over 10 years of e-mail in the equivalent of a
single OUTLOOK PST file.  Our virtual servers and RAID guarantee
everything is recoverable in very short notice.  I'm 4X backed up.  Also,
if I get a new PC, the Zimbra database file (.zdb) can be transferred to
the new PC or laptop in a few seconds (...oh, I love 1Gbps Ethernet) and
it's ready with 10 years of e-mail offline.

They have been very responsive to bug reports (of which there are few and
an active forum that always has work-arounds).

I'm only a user but would be happy to put you in touch with the
implementing geniuses we have.  They have it hooked to anti-spam
facilities so I get only about .5 SPAM to each good e-mail...compared to
100:1 a couple of years ago.

It's hard to fault.  Perhaps the open source keeps it as usable and
bug-free as Linux...anyway, apart from a few stumbles 2 years ago, I'm a
fan.

. . . J o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Is anyone using the the open source Zimbra mail server?

I'm just about to use Zimbra to replace my exsisting qmail server.
Just wondering if anyone had any experience or tips about using this
feature rich email server?

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

[Jonathan Schmidt]

MAC/modem cloning is a real problem for cable Internet companies.  Modern
DOCSIS 1.1 and above cable modems have MD5 hashing the firmware with the
MAC but somehow the clones get stolen MAC addresses and there are
successful thieves.   Perhaps it's downgrading the firmware to DOCSIS 1.0
where it is possible without the hash...I don't know how they do it.

However, MAC cloning for less secure equipment in customer hands seems
like an invitation to a theft of service.  Any device, PC or router, can
switcheroo the old MAC.

. . . J o n a t h a n



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:04 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

I think it's fair to say that any ISP of size has in fact done this once
if not twice.  It's not the end of the world unless there was little
planning done beforehand.  I've experienced both.  

We do not use DHCP anywhere, but within the client LAN environment.
However, I don't see where running DHCP and reserving IP's for specific
MAC addresses would be of much risk.  The additional headache of the
occasional client replacing their router (hence requiring you to update
your DHCP MAC
table) might be worth it in some cases.

Everyone is going to have their own opinion as to what they feel is going
to be the best solution for their network and their target market.  Ours
has been to own and manage a CPE router for every client connection.  This
gives us a clear demarcation point where our network ends and the client
network begins.

Regarding the original poster's question as to whether to assign public IP
space vs. NAT'd IP space to end clients, I think the resounding opinion is
to use public IP space.

Best,


Brad


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema

If you have ever renumbered your entire network due to changing upstream
providers or running out of IP, you will wish you had used DHCP
everywhere.
  - Original Message -
  From: Travis Johnson
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List
  Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question concerning IP Schema


  And to take it one step further, I've never understood using DHCP for
customers. It makes it 10x easier for a rogue client to get on your
network if you run DHCP instead of just static. You don't have to maintain
any logs, or worry about your DHCP server having problems, etc. It seems
one step easier than DHCP.

  Travis
  Microserv

  David E. Smith wrote: 
PPPoE

Y'know, I've never understood why many ISPs are so fond of PPPOE. The only
benefits anyone has ever articulated to me are an alleged improvement in
ease of tracking customer-IP associations, and your DHCP server and tower
logs should take care of that for you just as easily. In the meantime, you
risk annoying your customers, because they have to take special steps to
set up a new computer or router, whereas with a DHCP server things will
"just work" 90% of the time.

Not meaning to troll, I'm genuinely curious.

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Household WiFi router? Was Re: Future

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Well, you agree with my son who swears by the DD-WRT-load in a Linksys.
...live and learn.

. . . J o n a t h a n 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Wallace L. Walcher
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:45 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Household WiFi router? Was Re: Future

I have not had as good luck with the Buffalo's.  They tend to lose their
settings more frequently than our router of choice.  We use the Linksys
WRT54GL (note the "l") routers exclusively now.  We load DD-WRT on them to
boost the power a little and give us the flexibility to do WDS with two of
them if we need to.  We turn off routing (routing is done via the client
radio) and turn the internet port into a 5th LAN port.  And we bundle them
with a small APC UPS to deal with power issues.  This has worked very well
for us.

I tried one of the Linksys "N" type routers (the black one that kind of
looks like the B2 Stealth Bomber).  It was about the same price as the
WRT54GL.  But in my testing I did not see any increase in range with my
laptop.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:48 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Household WiFi router? Was Re: Future

I've used the same list and when I got to Buffalo I stopped.  I have
installed wireless routers and bridges (especially to IQeye hi-res cameras
w/multi-megapixel images) and these never had been rebooted in a year and
a half...and, the connection is like a wire...no lockups, no hiccups, no
strange incidents.  Like a wire.

. . . J o n a t h a n


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Valenti
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Household WiFi router? Was Re: Future

Travis,

Could you share what hardware you use for the wireless firewall/router?

I've been having more trouble with those than the radios mounted outside.
thanks

PS - I started with Zyxel p330.  The ones I bought last year are mostly
still working, but they seemed to change something for this year's model.
I've also tried some Belkin and Linksys and still haven't found anything I
consider good.


On April 20, at 10:44 PM April 20, Travis Johnson wrote:

>
> You have to provide some value to your service. We offer local 
> support, symmetrical speeds (upload is the same as download), free 
> wireless firewall/router with install, real static IP address, etc.



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