[WISPA] Louisville Kentucky installer

2009-06-17 Thread Mario Pommier
Hi,

Does anyone know (or is anyone) a good installer in/near the Louisville, 
Kentucky area?
I have a project we could work together on.
Email me off list.

Thanks.

Mario




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Re: [WISPA] SR5 vs. XR5

2008-11-04 Thread Mario Pommier
what is the output of those cards?

the xr5 are 600mW aren't they?

aren't the sr5 400mW?

*600mW (28dBm)
400mW (26dBm)*

the posted results seem accurate.

Mario

Mike Hammett wrote:
 The XR radios listen better than the SR radios do.


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 From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] SR5 vs. XR5

   
 What I have seen is not so much an improvement in the receive db reading
 as in the CCQ.  I don't remember how much it changed, but I have a
 couple of links that were having issues with intermittent drops that
 went away with the XR5 cards.

 Travis Johnson wrote:
 
 Hi,

 It's a 2 hour drive (each way) and requires taking the link down
 (again). I have XR5 cards sitting on my desk... but if I'm only going
 to see 1db of improvement, it's not worth 5 hours of time. ;)

 Travis
 Microserv

 D. Ryan Spott wrote:
   
 You could just toss the cards in there and do a quick configure.

 $216 for the parts should be easy to show on the books. :)

 ryan

 Travis Johnson wrote:

 
 Hi,

 Can anyone provide any real-world experience where they replaced SR5
 cards with XR5 cards on a point to point link?

 We have a 15 mile shot (using MT) that is just _barely_ line of site
 enough to establish a link. I am just wondering how much increase in
 signal we would see by switching cards?

 thanks,

 Travis
 Microserv


 
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[WISPA] OT: Task management

2008-10-22 Thread Mario Pommier
Customer is looking for a good Task Management Solution.

I've found these two online solutions:
 -- http://www.same-page.com
 -- https://www.teamworklive.com

I wouldn't mind installing a Linux server solution for this in my 
datacenter, but I don't know of one.

Any thoughts are appreciated.

Thanks.

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[WISPA] PacWireless vs Hyperlink

2008-10-20 Thread Mario Pommier
If anyone has used these antennas (5Ghz dual polarity), how do they 
compare in performance and hardware durability?

HyperLink's Hypergain  --  HG5158DP-29D

PacWireless's -- HDDA5W-29-DP

Thanks.

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[WISPA] Service in Centerville MD 21617

2008-10-20 Thread Mario Pommier
Hi,

I have a friend who lives in Centerville, MD zip 21617

Anyone have coverage there?

Thanks.

Mario




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Re: [WISPA] ISPs in US

2008-10-10 Thread Mario Pommier
It's an interesting objective, actually.  Here's the scenario.

I'm looking for the number of ISPs in the US (small to medium ISPs, not 
Verizon and Time Warner and the like) who have 50 or more business 
customers.
Maybe this kind of definition helps.
Wisps, cable, dsl are all good. Any ISP who offers services to businesses.

Mario

David E. Smith wrote:
 Tom DeReggi wrote:
   
 There had been numerous counts in excess of 7000, and some counts as high as 
 10,000.
 That was before we were counting WISPs.  I have no idea where this is 
 recorded factually.
 

 Heck, before you can even count ISPs you have to define ISP. Depending 
 on how picky you want to get, folks using services like Speakeasy's 
 Netshare (basically, you get service from Speakeasy, resell it, they do 
 the billing, you do the tech support) might be considered as people 
 operating an ISP.

 WISPs? Cable? DSL? Dial-up? It just gets more confusing from there.

   
 Anybody have a ballpark number for the amount if ISP's in the United 
 States?
 Or a site I can go find this out?
 Thanks.
   

 What are you hoping to do with the information? If we can narrow the 
 question down a bit, maybe we can find a better way to answer it.

 David Smith
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[WISPA] ISPs in US

2008-10-09 Thread Mario Pommier
Anybody have a ballpark number for the amount if ISP's in the United States?
Or a site I can go find this out?
Thanks.

Mario




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Re: [WISPA] Water Tower

2008-03-05 Thread Mario Pommier
The Water Dept. Superintendent we work with allowed us to the same thing 
Marlon mentions: we give them service for X amount of sites and they 
allow us to place X amount of antennas.

They get the same level of service all our business customers get.

Mario

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
 We are on two.  We give them service at all city locations that they want it 
 for.  They buy the equipment (we're at a point where we could provide the 
 hardware) needed.  They also require a bit more insurance and they are 
 listed as also insured.

 One of them started out at $1500 per month and 5 million for insurance.  I 
 told them that I'd love to do a better job of servicing the local area but I 
 couldn't do it at that rate.  We went over the expected customer base for me 
 and cost factors.  I reminded them of how important it is to have 
 competition to the telco's DSL etc.

 I flat out told them that I was willing to do the work and invest the money 
 to service the area, especially those outside of town.  But that I'd need 
 their help.  We'd have to work as a team to provide the service to the 
 community.  If they charged me any rent I'd have to charge higher prices. 
 And really, even at a few hundred per month, it wouldn't be enough money to 
 even matter in their budget.  And any more than $100 per month would totally 
 destroy my business model and I'd not be able to afford to keep the system 
 running.

 In the end I got my trade for service agreement from both of them.

 I also take good care of them when there is any trouble at all.

 I still think that the teamwork aspect of my presentation is what got them 
 on board.

 Hope that helps,
 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
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 Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower


   
 Those of you that are on water towers, what sort of agreements do you guys 
 have with cities for their water towers and how much are you paying?  I'm 
 in negotiations with one now.


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Re: [WISPA] tranzeo weirdness

2007-12-22 Thread Mario Pommier

Interesting lesson, Marlon:
Sometimes even the wireless enthusiasts blame the wireless 
gear/technology for issues.

Sometimes it's the wired/ethernet parts of installation that cause trouble.
Sometimes it's the network (like a misconfigured VLAN or bandwidth 
manager setting).
Sometimes it's lack of updated records: as in using an IP address that's 
already being used but wasn't added to the IP address database records.

Good to hear you got to the bottom of it.

Mario

Marlon Schafer wrote:
Finally got my strange Tranzeo issue figured out.  It was a bad jumper 
from the injector to the switch.  Who'd have thunk it!?!?!?!?!?!


Running well for a few days now.
marlon

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Subject: [WISPA] tranzeo weirdness

All-

I have the following setup that is giving me fits, (still):

350' FM tower, 25K watt FM bays up near the top, another set, 3k, down
around 220'.   We have two MT backhauls w/ parabolics located in
between the FM antennas that are running fine.  Down around 180' we
have a tranzeo 5AN w/ a 120 sector that's got us all fouled up.  The
first radio lived fine for a couple of months then started flopping up
and down and finally died.  Replaced that unit with one that stayed up
for @ 15 minutes, then locked us out, couldnt ping it either. It was
powered up, but lan light was out. Swapped in another new unit that
behaved the same. Swapped poe, AC adapters, recrimped and tested
cabling good. Tried to get into unit, still no go.  We considered the
cable length as a possible problem, so we spooled off the exact cable
length needed (230') stretched it across the ground and sent
continuous pings to a new radio for @ 20 minutes with no dropped
packets.  We then raised this new cable up and plugged it into the
existing radio on the tower.  It would power up fine, but couldnt find
it with the discovery utility and couldnt ping it.  We regrounded,
recrimped, retested everything and the stupid thing still wouldnt come
to life.  So we dropped the 230' of cabling and radio back down to the
ground, powered it back up and could get right into it. It would drop
packets every now and then however.  We plugged a new radio into the
cable and it ran flawlessly.  I thought of pointing at the lower FM
array, but we had the same symptoms when the 3K watt station was
powered off. The cabling is all sheilded.  The MT units are running
fine on the same type of cabling on the same leg.  Ive considered
running the cabling in conduit and isolating the radio and radio
ground from the tower, but would like to consider anything else before
going that route.  Maybe we are the victims of three bad radios in a
row?  I dont want to have to shoot these radios, but they're starting
to make us pretty cranky.  Any and all suggestions welcome.

Thanks,
Chris


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[WISPA] access in London, UK

2007-11-16 Thread Mario Pommier

Hi,
Does anyone in this list provide service in London?
I have a customer looking for 10-20M dedicated service in 2 or 3 sites.
Please contact me off list.
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[WISPA] fiber vendor

2007-11-08 Thread Mario Pommier
Has anyone heard anything about the quality of Optical Cable Corporation 
fiber?

Does it perform well?

Mario







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[WISPA] access to discontinued RadioShack mount

2007-09-29 Thread Mario Pommier

Hi,
   I'm looking for what used to be RadioShack's Universal Mast Anchor 
Mount, part number 15-888.

   Does anyone know who has these or have access to any?
   Thanks.

Mario



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[WISPA] access in Thermal, CA

2007-09-14 Thread Mario Pommier

Hi,
   Would anyone be able to help me provide access to a location next 
door to the Thermal CA airport (intersection of Airport Blvd. and Rt. 111)?

   It's a good account.
   Please email me off-list.
   Thanks.

Mario

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[WISPA] Is this about Calea?

2007-09-07 Thread Mario Pommier

NYTIMES.com

September 7, 2007


 Judge Voids F.B.I. Tool Granted by Patriot Act

By ADAM LIPTAK 
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/l/adam_liptak/index.html?inline=nyt-per


A federal judge yesterday struck down the parts of the recently revised 
USA Patriot Act that authorized the Federal Bureau of Investigation 
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal_bureau_of_investigation/index.html?inline=nyt-org 
to use informal secret demands called national security letters to 
compel companies to provide customer records.


The law allowed the F.B.I. not only to force communications companies, 
including telephone and Internet providers, to turn over the records 
without court authorization, but also to forbid the companies to tell 
the customers or anyone else what they had done. Under the law, enacted 
last year, the ability of the courts to review challenges to the ban on 
disclosures was quite limited.


The judge, Victor Marrero of the Federal District Court in Manhattan, 
ruled that the measure violated the First Amendment and the separation 
of powers guarantee.


Judge Marrero said he feared that the law could be the first step in a 
series of intrusions into the judiciary's role that would be the 
legislative equivalent of breaking and entering, with an ominous free 
pass to the hijacking of constitutional values.


According to a report from the Justice Department's inspector general in 
March, the F.B.I. issued about 143,000 requests through national 
security letters from 2003 to 2005. The report found that the bureau had 
often used the letters improperly and sometimes illegally.


Yesterday's decision was a sequel to rulings by Judge Marrero in 2004 
and a federal judge in Connecticut in 2005, both of which enjoined an 
earlier version of the law. Congress responded last year by amending the 
law in reauthorizing it.


The earlier version of the measure barred all recipients of the letters 
from disclosing them. The amended law changed the ban slightly, now 
requiring the F.B.I. to certify in each case that disclosure might harm 
national security, criminal investigations, diplomacy or people's safety.


The law authorized courts to review those assertions, but under 
extremely deferential standards. In some cases, judges were required to 
treat F.B.I. statements as conclusive unless the court finds that the 
certification was made in bad faith.


In yesterday's decision, Judge Marrero said that the revisions to the 
law did not go far enough in addressing the flaws identified in the 
earlier decisions and that in fact they created additional 
constitutional problems.


Recipients of the letters, he wrote, remain effectively barred from 
engaging in any discussion regarding their experiences and opinions 
related to the government's use of the letters. Indeed, the very 
identity of the Internet service provider that brought this case remains 
secret.


The judge said the F.B.I. might be entitled to prohibit disclosures for 
a limited time but afterward must bear the burden of going to court to 
suppress the speech. Putting that burden on recipients of the letters, 
he said, violates the First Amendment.


The decision found that the secrecy requirement was so intertwined with 
the rest of the provision concerning national security letters that the 
entire provision was unconstitutional.


Judge Marrero used his strongest language and evocative historical 
analogies in criticizing the aspect of the new law that imposed 
restrictions on the courts' ability to review the F.B.I.'s determinations.


When the judiciary lowers its guard on the Constitution, it opens the 
door to far-reaching invasions of privacy, Judge Marrero wrote, 
pointing to discredited Supreme Court 
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/s/supreme_court/index.html?inline=nyt-org 
decisions endorsing the internment of Japanese-Americans during World 
War II and racially segregated railroad cars in the 19th century.


The only thing left of the judiciary's function for those Americans in 
that experience, he wrote, was a symbolic act: to sing a requiem and 
lower the flag on the Bill of Rights.


Lawyers for the American Civil Liberties Union 
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/a/american_civil_liberties_union/index.html?inline=nyt-org, 
which represented the Internet company, said Judge Marrero had confirmed 
a bedrock principle.


A statute that allows the F.B.I. to silence people without meaningful 
judicial oversight is unconstitutional, said Jameel Jaffer, an A.C.L.U. 
lawyer.


Judge Marrero delayed enforcing his decision pending an appeal by the 
government. Rebekah Carmichael, a spokeswoman for the United States 
attorney's office in Manhattan, said the government had not decided 
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[WISPA] alternative for Alvarion VL lightning protector

2007-07-06 Thread Mario Pommier

Hi,
   Has anyone found a low cost alternative for lightning protectors for 
the Alvarion VL equipment?  Transtector and Polyphaser protectors are in 
the $100+ range.

   Has anyone tried this one? http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/al-cat5w.php
   Thank in advance.

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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-20 Thread Mario Pommier

wishful thinking
   FCC realizes areas are underserved.
   They also realize independent broadband providers -- read wireless 
ISPs -- are an excellent, if not better, solution as a competitive 
solution in many areas, rural and otherwise.
   FCC makes sub-700Mhz available for unlicensed broadband, or 
reasonably licensed broadband which independent WISPs can access.

   Then, small business innovators -- read WISPs -- win and users win.
/wishful thinking

   Is that sooo wishful?

Mario

Matt wrote:
For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability 
Office)

have been pointing out that the way the FCC
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml  measures 
broadband
competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single 
household in
a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household 
in that
zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some 
reason


soapbox
This gets old.  They say the US is way behind.  Really?  I think they
are comparing apples to oranges.  Do all they rural farms in Australia
have broadband?  All the rural areas in China?  Even S. Korea, one of
the most wired countries, do they have broadband in all there rural
areas?  Sure its great in there metro areas but so is it here in the
US.

The only reason this upsets me is we are investing a great deal of our
own money building out to these underserved areas.  I can just see
some report coming out then the government giving some grants to
telcos or whoever to bury fiber or whatever at huge expense to every
rural house in the country side.  What I find really irritating is
I/we pay taxes too and will be getting the shaft.  Its difficult to
compete with fiber with a 900 Canopy SM.
/soapbox

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Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path

2007-04-14 Thread Mario Pommier

Has anyone tried the OFDM Tranzeo 900Mhz?
What have your results been?

Mario

Jim Stout wrote:

Would it be worth trying a Yagi antenna with a narrow beamwidth?
Jim Stout
LTO Communications, LLC
15701 Henry Andrews Dr
Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
(816) 305-1076 - Mobile
(816) 497-0033 - Pager

- Original Message - From: Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path



So just use OFDM EVERYWHERE!! :-)

On 4/13/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ahhh.  I tried one or two of the sl units.  Just ordered some more.  
I like

them so far.

Think of multipath like a bad echo.  If you've even stood in a 
completely
empty BIG room, like a grain elevator, warehouse etc. you know that 
it can
be hard to carry on a conversation with someone.  The sound waves 
just keep

bouncing around and around and around.

OFDM likes the echos, most anything else doesn't.

thanks,
marlon

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 Thanks to all for the feedback!

 I moved the radio to the top of the customer's barn and am now  
looking
 over the power lines.  When I first fired it up, it wouldn't  
associated,
 so I started trying some of the other suggestions.  I lowered the 
 maximum
 transmit power substantially and it actually started to work.  
Once it

 associated, I was able to see the dB level at the AP so I continued
 dropping the CPE power until my receive power at the AP was -70 
dBm.  I
 also reduced the MTU to 500 and the max speed to 5 Mbps.  The 
customer
 hasn't used it much but my SNMP queries have all been succesful 
since  9:00

 last night.

 Marlon,

 The SL2 is one of the newest radios from Tranzeo.  It's part of 
the CPQ

 family, but it's a Slim Line (much smaller in size.)  Up until this
 install, they have gone in easy, and run great!  Can you explain the
 multipath phenomenon?

 Thanks, Jim

 Jim Stout
 LTO Communications, LLC
 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
 Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile
 (816) 497-0033 - Pager

 - Original Message -
 From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 Yeah, that sounds like multipath.  I've seen that a few times.

 Your signal level is actually much too high.

 Try two things to test my theory.

 Turn the antenna backward.  That should cut 15 to 20dB of signal 
off  and

 get you down into the high 60 to mid 70 rssi range.  Much more
 reasonable.

 Try cross polarizing this cpe.  If the tower is vertical, put the 
cpe

 hpol.

 Also, what's the radio?  (sl2 isn't one I've heard of, cpq or cpe 
I  know

 of)

 How about the AP?  I've got some very strange things happening 
with SB
 ap's and Inscape Data or the new Tranzeo CPQ radios.  They will 
just  stop
 talking to each other.  In fact the cpe won't even see the ap 
until  the
 *ap* is rebooted!  It's the dangdest thing.  It's almost like the 
cpe  is
 being put on a mac filter list and the ap completely ignores the 
cpe.  No

 cpe mac filter being used though.  I've had this happen on different
 networks with different towns, different upstreams, different  
antennas,

 different cpe etc.

 The old CPE200 units didn't do this.  Just the new cpq and 
inscape  data

 cpe radios.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:42 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Power Lines in the LOS path


 I hate to ask this question, but I'm at my wit's end with this one.

 I recently installed a new customer (2.4 GHz) with a clear LOS to my
 tower. The distance is less than a mile and I get -56 dBm of signal
 strength.  I've run a spectrum analyzer and it's dead silent when 
the
 radio's off..  All sounds great!  A real simple install, but the 
radio
 intermittently locks up, fails to associate and most recently, 
simply
 fails to work for more then 10 - 30 seconds at a time following a 
POR.

 I've replaced radio (Tranzeo SL2) and gone to the latest version of
 firmware.  I even contacted Tranzeo Tech Support and follwed their
 recommendations for timing settings.  The only difference between 
this
 client and all the others on my tower is that there is a power 
line in
 the LOS path.  Has anyone else found this to be a problem?  It's 
 almost

 like an invisible concrete wall is between the AP and the site.

 Thanks, Jim

 Jim Stout
 LTO Communications, LLC
 15701 Henry Andrews Dr
 Pleasant Hill, MO 64080
 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile
 (816) 497-0033 - Pager
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[WISPA] Triad VoIP

2007-03-26 Thread Mario Pommier
I wanted to share with my excellent experience with Don Annas from Triad 
Telecom.
I contacted him about VoIP deployment since I need to provide a solution 
to an MTU.  I had the small blurb he submitted about his business.
I've never gotten into VoIP and needed (still need) some pretty 
extensive hand-holding -- like the kind we local ISPs give to our customers.
Don gave me the support I needed and answered all my questions so I just 
wanted to publicly thank him for his time, expertise and guidance.
He was talking in his VoIP line -- which didn't skip a beat! I was 
impressed.
So I now foresee buying inbound/outbound minutes from Triad, being able 
to provide VoIP services to my MTU and not having to reinvent the wheel.
Don, I don't know if you really want all this advertising.  I may just 
contribute to you getting swamped with calls from WISPA members about 
buying VoIP lines from you, but here it is.  I've done it.  Thanks a lot 
for your help!


Mario
P.S.  For those sitting on the fence about paying your WISPA dues, my 
experience should be an encouragement for you to pay: it may bring you 
additional business and/or additional benefits and/or both.






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Re: UPDATE: [WISPA] WISP blocked access to Washington Post website - Dumb or Responsible?

2007-03-21 Thread Mario Pommier
Sounds like someone made a booboo, they needed someone to complain and 
let them know something was wrong, or a combination thereof.

Good support though, Jack!  Can we say that?
Try to get a resolution like that with a cable or dsl provider.

Mario

Jack Unger wrote:
Just an update - Within two hours after receiving the email from 
support, my access to the Washington Post website was restored.



Jack Unger wrote:

I spend time each day keeping up not just on technical news but on 
world news. Last Saturday or Sunday, I noticed that I could no longer 
access the website of the Washington Post. Whatever your political 
view of the Washington Post, it is still considered as one of the top 
two national newspapers. Finally last night, I emailed 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I reported that I could not reach the WP 
website. Here's the reply I received:



Mr. Unger,

We have temporarily blocked the IP for washingtonpost.com due to a
problem traced back to that IP.  We are working to resolve this issue
and will be unblocking the IP within the next 48 hours.

-- 



Here's my reply to the WISP (which incidentally is California's 
largest WISP for business and is now owned by a large national ISP.



Dear Mr. Xxxx,

Thank you for letting me know. I first noticed this problem several 
days ago. I look forward to having my access to the Washington Post 
website restored.


Thank you,
   jack

 



I'd appreciate a few knowledge WISP opinions on this issue.

1. Why will it apparently take a total of 5 days to resolve this issue?

2. Was my WISP really not aware of the problem and are they just now 
starting to look into it?


3. Was/is someone really spamming from the WP IP? Is there a very 
real and legitimate reason why the WP website would need to be 
blocked this long?


4. Could this be just another story in the emerging saga of the Net 
Neutrality debate? Should I be worried about hearing It's our 
network and we can block anyone we want to block?



Again, I'd appreciate a few thoughtful, knowledgable WISP opinions.

Thank you in advance,
   jack









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Re: [WISPA] LMR600, LMR900, Heliax

2007-03-18 Thread Mario Pommier

Bob (or anyone),
   Can you explain why 7/8 heliax isn't appropriate for 5Ghz?
   Thanks for the posts.

Mario

Bob Moldashel wrote:

OK.Lets talk cable

1.  You can't use 1 1/4 or 1 5/8 heliax at 5 Ghz anything.  Can't use 
7/8 heliax there either.  You canbut it won't work right


2. You can use 5/8 heliax at 5.8 Ghz and below.
SNIP

Bob




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Re: [WISPA] New WISPA Principal Member - Webjogger Internet Services

2007-03-16 Thread Mario Pommier

sometimes good things take a while to happen, but they do.
it's a solacing idea.
it's good to be here, Marlon.

Mario

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Finally!  grin

Good to have you on the team Mario
marlon

- Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 1:18 AM
Subject: [WISPA] New WISPA Principal Member - Webjogger Internet Services


Many thanks to Mario Pommier of Webjogger Internet Services for 
making the step up to membership in WISPA. We appreciate you and all 
others like you who have recognized that through your dues and your 
time that you can help be an active part in building a better future 
for our industry. Thank you Mario. Here is a little bit of 
information about Mario and Webjogger:


Founded in 1997, Webjogger has been providing Internet service to 
customers in the Hudson Valley for 10 years. Webjogger services range 
from traditional Internet services (dialup and webhosting) to robust 
broadband connectivity solutions (highspeed wireless Internet and 
fully secure VPN connectivity using wireless point-to-point and 
point-to-multipoint technologies); from datacenter services (managed 
server colocation and online offsite backups) to advanced network 
consulting (routing and switching design and implementation).


Webjogger is owned and operated by experienced, knowledgeable, 
customer-focused individuals who know that researching and developing 
new technologies and deploying well-engineered solutions goes hand in 
hand with listening to our customers in order to fulfill their real 
needs.


Thanks.

Mario

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Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Mario Pommier

Where do you get it?

Mario

Blair Davis wrote:

Same here.  Coax Seal is GREAT!!!



Travis Johnson wrote:
We started using Coax-Seal about two years ago and have never had a 
problem since. It's moldable so you wrap the connector and then form 
it around the connections. Quick, easy and cheap. Even on 
mountaintops at 9000ft elevation with 60mph winds and freezing 
rain/ice we have never had a problem.


Travis
Microserv

John Scrivner wrote:
I would like a bit of feedback from those of you who have been 
installing outdoor antennas for a while. I have a problem that I 
would like to see fixed. It seems that after every long rain we see 
problems with the occasional connection outside at the antenna 
getting water into it. We use the Scotch seal mastic tape to seal 
the connections. The guys do not like having to climb and they work 
hard to try to make sure we do not get these problems and yet they 
come back. I would like to hear what you veterans out there are 
doing to make sure the water stays out.

Thanks,
Scriv







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Re: [WISPA] LMR600, LMR900, Heliax

2007-03-16 Thread Mario Pommier

Smart move!!!
When at all possible, we do that: active elements inside, inactive 
antenna outside.
   Design your grounding properly (NOT A MINOR ACHIEVEMENT!!!) and 
you're set: EVERYTHING goes to 1 common ground, coax lightning kits 
(outdoors) and in line lightning arrestors (indoors) go  to different 
grounding blocks.

   Have a problem, check out the radio indoors.
   We even do this with outdoor-rated radios, specially for backhaul 
AccessUnits and RemoteBridges.
   Cell companies do it this way because it's less prone to issues and 
they have the money to pay for it.  In this case, the cost is worth it 
if you ask me.
   On WaterTanks we've set up an outdoor, temp controlled weatherproof 
box (engineered in house with DC-powered fans and battery backup at the 
base) to house the outdoor units.  I should send you pictures.


Mario

Scott Reed wrote:
Who supplies pre-terminated (N connectors) cables in the 70 to 150' 
range using LMR 600, LMR900 and/or Heliax?  Looking to move radios to 
the bottom of towers.






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Re: [WISPA] Is anyone thinking about 17 and 60 ghz?

2007-03-05 Thread Mario Pommier
   Bridgewave 60Ghz works excellently!  Very nice stuff.  Full Gbps 
full duplex speeds.  Few computers or laptops, if any at all, can reach 
those speeds.  Our sysadmin figured a way to test capacity with Cisco 
switches on both ends by flooding the link.

   Expensive.  Yes.
   I only see it possible to be deployed in 100%-paid-for PtP projects: 
medical, government, industrial -- anyway it won't go more than 
~700meters, the drier the area the better.
   If I understood correctly, the US Gov bans US 60Ghz manufacturers 
from exporting their gear outside the US because when the US military 
goes somewhere they can't find 60Ghz links -- that's how secure it is: 
very narrow beamwidths (~1*) and complete signal fade after about 
1mile.  If you don't know the link is there (or you can't see the 
antennas) it's practically impossible to find the stuff.  Whereas for 
licensed 70 and 80Ghz all you need to do is look in the FCC website to 
know who deployed what-where-when and how.
   Regarding deployment: you need TOTAL LOS.  Even branches blowing in 
and out of the path will drop the link.


Mario

Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Mark,

I think 60 Ghz is a good solution if you can afford it. At this point 
it is still not in the price range of the average WISP but it is great 
stuff.

I think Matt Liotta had a link or 2 with some 60 Ghz gear.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


wispa wrote:
In the search for the bigger last mile pipe, there's unlicensed at 
both 17 and 60 ghz.  I'm not sure if the consumer electronics 
industry is up for working at 60 ghz, but what about 17 ghz?


Google gets me a lot of theoretical work at both, and engineering 
discussions of both, but nothing that looks like something otehr than 
talkware.





Mark Koskenmaki   Neofast, Inc
Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains
541-969-8200

  






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Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

2007-03-01 Thread Mario Pommier

Guys,
   It's pretty late for this in EST but for those in the West coast:
   Page 14 of the Instructions for the Signed statement form
   Page 11 of the same doc for the instructions on where to send and how.
   Go here for it, though I suppose everyone already has it: 
http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477instr.pdf


Mario

Mac Dearman wrote:

BRIAN,

 


  We always fill it out, print it, sign it, scan it and then send it.

 

 

Mac 

  _  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today

 


In the upper right side of the form is says send to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I didn't sign anything.  I just filled out the few fields I understood and
hit send.

Brian

Forbes Mercy wrote: 


17 pages of instructions and no where does it include the address, fax or
email to return the Form 477.  Where did you guys send it and how did you
send the 'required signed' by email?
 
Forbes
 
-Original Message-

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Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
 
Don't think it made it to the isp-wireless list

George
 
Rick Harnish wrote:
  


Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today.
 
 
 
Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477.

It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10
minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP
industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful
rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are.
 
 
 
http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html
 
 
 
Kris
 
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Re: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings

2007-02-23 Thread Mario Pommier

Done: 2007223617186
Total time to file: 5 minutes to write up a comment.
Total gratification: TOTAL.

Mario

Don Renner wrote:

NetsurfUSA filled  - 2007223533293 -

Don 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings

I filed: **2007223902414**

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
  
Good grief guys, there are only 12 new filings in the last week or 
so!!


Why, in the name of God, would the FCC give a rats behind about our 
industry if we can't be bothered to talk to them?


Listen, the new rules get made according to the WRITTEN record!  Our 
trips to the FCC are great and we both learn a lot, but when it comes 
time to make regulations they go to the paperwork that's been filed!


EVERYONE here needs to file personally.  Here's my confirmation 
:'2007223682035


Just go to this link:
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

Put 04-186 in the top left box and follow the instructions to voice 
your opinions on what the FCC should do with the soon to be opened up 
tv bands!  All you have to do is till them to make the bands 
unlicensed, no auctions, no registration etc.  Say more if you want, 
but we really need to drive home the unlicensed idea.


Get off your hind ends guys!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
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using equipment from overseas companies Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-19 Thread Mario Pommier

Hi,
   The following question seems germaine to this thread.
   Who would I talk to at the FCC about the following:
-- if I want to use equipment from an overseas-based manufacturer, 
where would I go to or who could I talk to at the FCC to know 
certification procedures, equipment allowed or not in licensed or 
unlicensed spectrum?

-- is there a list of FCC approved manufacturers?

   Thanks.

Mario





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Re: using equipment from overseas companies Re: [WISPA] FollowingtheFCC rules ?????

2007-02-19 Thread Mario Pommier

DITO.

Rick Smith wrote:
thanks patrick 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: using equipment from overseas companies Re: [WISPA]
FollowingtheFCC rules ?

Mario,

Most of what you are looking for is located on the FCC Web site under the
Office of Engineering and Technology section. To certify something or to
understand the certification procedures, you can go directly to the cert
labs:
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm

To find what equipment is allowed (or not allowed, which is easier to narrow
down in a search), search the equipment authorization database:
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm

The link above is the same to find approved manufacturers. There is no one
list since there are thousands of companies under Part 15 alone (remember,
Part 15 covers gazillions of consumer devices too).

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mario Pommier
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: using equipment from overseas companies Re: [WISPA] Following
theFCC rules ?

Hi,
The following question seems germaine to this thread.
Who would I talk to at the FCC about the following:
 -- if I want to use equipment from an overseas-based manufacturer, where
would I go to or who could I talk to at the FCC to know certification
procedures, equipment allowed or not in licensed or unlicensed spectrum?
 -- is there a list of FCC approved manufacturers?

Thanks.

Mario





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Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-02-06 Thread Mario Pommier

can you elaborate on HAD offers ...  please?
Thanks.

Mario

Steve Stroh wrote:


You've HAD offers that have been refused...


Thanks,

Steve


On Jan 24, 2007, at Jan 24  07:10 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

WISPA has been working on this for a couple of years now.  
Independently and with Cisco, New America, Media Access Project and 
I've recently had talks with the 802.22 (ieee white spaces standards 
group) folks.


As always, we need more bodies to go a better job.

laters,
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Re: [WISPA] - Hello Group! - Can we talk towers?

2007-02-06 Thread Mario Pommier
1.  I know an engineer who may be able to help you on this one.  Knows 
FAA personnel if I recall correctly from when he helped us with out 
antenna.  He's  a certified engineer in NYS, AFAIK, but also does work 
in CT, VT, FL.
2. Same engineer, had us install a solid-rod Pyrod tower.  He designed 
the whole thing with the tower crew he uses for everything.  It was guyed.

If this helps I can arrange for him to consult with you.
OFF-list for rates, etc.
Thanks.

Mario

Dave Brenton wrote:

Hello WISPA!

It's great to be aboard.

I have several questions about towers, but I'm going to 
try to hold it to TWO, starting out.


1) Does anyone on the list have experience with the FCC/FAA maze?
   Our Network Operations Center will be at the base of an 
   as-yet-to-be-constructed 300 foot Commercial Grade 
   Communications Tower.


   In attempting to get the FCC/FAA Permit(s) to place this 
   tower I've run into a Catch-22, or so it would seem.


  The FAA Forms want an FCC Registration Number, and of course
   the FCC Forms want an FAA Registration Number.

   So.   Who's on first?

I've searched and searched and cannot find a step-by-step or
flowchart explaining the procedure to get the permit process 
started, let alone completed.


Anyone with some experience with this matter will be 
a hero forever with me.


BTW to avoid the questions I explain right now that - -
NO we don't NEED a 300 Footer for our wireless coverage,
but... I live in the middle of Cell-Hell and I'm willing to
speculate the one or more of the Cell Providers in this 
area will Co-Locate once an actual structure is in place.

Also the extra altitude will make if practical to Back-Haul
bandwidth for many-many miles thus reducing our wire-line
costs to a minimum.

2) Who's brands of towers are ya'll using?
 I need some guidance for smaller towers
100-150 ft range, self supporting and guyed.

I have heard of some brands, but I also have concerns
about Wind Tolerance, since we are in an area that
does produce tornados from time to time.
I'd prefer to spend the money on a product that will
hold up and I'm not uncomfortable Climbing, IF I Must.

That's plenty for a first go.

Thanks loads,


Dave Brenton

General Manager
Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband
Bringing FAST Internet to the rest of us (sm)
Dover TN
(931) 232-0914 office
(931) 627-1142 cell
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off topic -- Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-01-26 Thread Mario Pommier

I see your point, Sam.
Perhaps products like Linksys Routers could be a better example, or how 
about YouTube? for the argument, or even our residential customers (this 
oen rings a bell for many of us in this tech service industry, going all 
the way back to dialup days).
I'm not sure about Walmart or MacDonalds not profiting at the expense of 
the customer (or others) argument:
- McD's hamburgers aren't that healthy according to what health folks 
say, and common folks who eat there regularly prove.
- Walmart's employee practices don't seem to be that just either, 
according to what analysts say.


Mario

Sam Tetherow wrote:
There actually are some of us out here that don't have this luxury in 
our markets.  My total market is approximately 3000 people (not 
households) and I have to go 45 miles in any direction to find another 
town with more than 80 people in it.


I'm not saying this in a 'woe is me' tone, just stating a fact.  Some 
of us operate in the well under 10,000 people areas where 'finding a 
higher ARPU customer' is not really a viable option.  We have to be 
all things in order to have enough customers to pay the bills.  The 
top 10% of my market would get me less than 100 customers and they 
would have an average income of less than $100K.


As a slightly off-topic aside:  (those that don't want to listen to my 
ramblings can safely stop here :)


I do find the Walmart reference interesting.  Since I have started 
this business I have tried to read as much as I can in terms of 
business, marketing  and sales books.  Having come from a purely tech 
background it astounds me how clueless I really was until I started a 
business.


One of the things that I have struggled with is the price point vs 
service aspect of the business.  Obviously being the cheapest option 
has it's sales advantages, especially in the residential best effort 
internet business.  But as we all know, being the cheapest makes it a 
bit harder to pay the bills.


When I read business and marketing books they all espouse the higher 
end customer is the better customer view.  I understand this view, you 
have a valued customer who is willing to pay a reasonable price for 
quality service.  You look at brands like Lexus and Bose and think, 
these are the people I need to be like.  These companies have made 
millionaires.
But what I find interesting is that companies like Walmart and 
McDonalds who do live in the quantity, not quality world have made 
billionaires.  The trick seems to be, if you can somehow manages to be 
the cheapest and do it right you can make a boat load of money and it 
doesn't have to be at the expense of the customer.


 Sam Tetherow
 Sandhills Wireless

Peter R. wrote:

John J. Thomas wrote:


But, the model will work if you bill by the bytes

If Joe is paying $40 per month for 6 Gig and gets throttled at 6 
Gig, then he has a disincentive for keeping going. If he is paying 
$40 for unlimited access, he has no reason to slow down.


Charter cable is doing 10 meg down/1 meg up in some markets for like 
$99 per month, how can you compete with that?


John 

Well, the reality is this: you can't compete with it.  And why try?
Why not move upstream to a larger ARPU customer?
Cable  ILEC can handle and deliver service to the masses cheaply - 
for now.
But there is a segment of every population that needs more than the 
cheap dumb pipe attached to the cheap dumb support. That is the GAP. 
That is where the money is.


That is where your market is. But it may mean selling beyond just a 
pipe.


I've been preaching this for years - and clients that have listened - 
narrowed their focus; but the shotgun (marketing) away; have done well.


See articles here:  http://www.rad-info.net/newsletters/walmart16.htm 
And there:http://www.rad-info.net/newsletters/winninger.htm


Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] More debate over the 700MHz spectrum..

2007-01-25 Thread Mario Pommier

Those analog converter boxes: where do people buy those and who offers them?
How about an agency dispensing vouchers for Wireless CPE in order to 
transition users in rural areas into fixed wireless broadband at 
sub-700Mhz unlicensed spectrum?

Is this too much to ask?  Or too naive?  or both?

Mario

Dawn DiPietro wrote:

High-tech interests come out against increased spectrum for public safety

The National Telecommunications and Information Administration, a 
Commerce Department unit that advises the White House on telecom 
policy and manages federal government spectrum, has the lead in 
educating the public. The agency plans to dispense vouchers to 
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Re: [WISPA] TV white spaces

2007-01-24 Thread Mario Pommier
Any info through the grapevine about the likelihood of this spectrum 
becoming unlicensed?
Then, I suppose a standard will have to be drafted and approved before 
we see any gear.  So is that a couple of years if we're lucky before we 
can use sub-700Mhz to penetrate through trees in rural America?

Thanks.

Mario

Dawn DiPietro wrote:

All,

This might clear up some confusion about which spectrum might become 
unlicensed.

As quoted from the press release;

  The WIN Act specifically requires the FCC to permit 
license-free use of the unassigned broadcast spectrum between 54MHz 
and 698 MHz within 180 days of enactment. This legislation will enable 
entrepreneurs to provide affordable, competitive high-speed wireless 
broadband services in areas that otherwise have no connectivity to 
broadband Internet.


Links below;
http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=267392
http://www.newamerica.net/programs/wireless_future

Regards,
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Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz and snow and Pacwireless Yagi's.

2007-01-05 Thread Mario Pommier

Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

I have one 900 mhz ap and one client.   When I first set up this client, we
were decidedly NOT LOS and it goes through a few pine and fir trees.
Im not sure that is only what is in the way.Possibly a bit of dirt,
too.For some reason, I appear to have HUGE changes in RSSI.
It appears when we get to around 28 or so, or below, the signal comes up to
what it was when we installed.   That is, around -80 to -85.   When it gets
warm, it appears to fall into the mid -90's... or, basically not working.
Will wet snow on Pac Yagis cause signal loss?
  
Yes, Mark: I've seen it before -- we once had weather that brought down 
5 or 6 900Mhz customers in different of the river (Hudson) and it then 
became obvious what the common characteristic was: yagi's.  We've since 
changed several of those.


Mario

Does frozen snow on trees block less than wet (melting?) snow on trees?

I'm really frustrated with this particular setup, as we've had NOTHING but
trouble...




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email me at mark at neofast dot net
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Re: [WISPA] Canopy actual throughput

2007-01-04 Thread Mario Pommier

Thanks, Charles,
   What would that something be called?

Mario

Charles Wu wrote:
SNIP 
Qcheck is a horrible program for accurately checking bandwidth, I would

recommend you look into something that actually works like Iperf

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[WISPA] Canopy actual throughput

2007-01-03 Thread Mario Pommier

Hi,
   those of you who use Canopy 900: what is the actual throughput 
you've gotten to the CPE?  4Mbps or less?  Has anyone run a bandwidth 
test while passing traffic simultaneously in both directions (such as 
with Qcheck)?

   Thanks a lot.

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Re: [WISPA] Overage plan help

2006-12-15 Thread Mario Pommier

Marlon,
   You can make all your mail traffic go through Postini without being 
charged more, and you can still charge the customer the $1 fee for usage.

   And, yeah, people do like.

Mario

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

We don't put everyone on Postini.  We charge those that want the 
filtering $1 per month.  Like John and Forbes, it's cost is too high 
to just include automatically.  Instead, we make money on spam.  I'd 
say around half of our customers and almost all hosted domains take 
Postini.


We're actually using the usage stats to help us sell Postini.  No one 
wants to pay an overage fee just to receive all that dang spam :-).


laters,
marlon

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If you have not done it already, putting everyone on your Postini 
system will decrease your mail server bandwidth substantially.




Frank Muto
FSM Marketing Group, Inc.
Postini Partner Reseller
http://wispa.spam-virus.com







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I want to keep billing per bit.  It's, by far, the most effective 
way to compete against cable and dsl.  It's also a good way to push 
the hogs over to competing services.  Our average user is running at 
about 1.7 gigs per month.  This includes all of my servers and the 
mail server alone hit 50 gigs last month.  So I'll bet that the 
average user is actually under 1.5 gigs per month.



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[WISPA] ups feedback

2006-12-13 Thread Mario Pommier

Hi,
   I'm looking for feedback from the field on this UPS: Tripp Lite 
*SMART1200LCD (can be rack mounted, 2U)?
   They are about $100 less than a 2U-750-VA APC model ... thus the 
question.

   I've never used them so I wouldn't want to recommend it to the customer.
   Thanks.

Mario*
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Re: [WISPA] Need opinion

2006-12-12 Thread Mario Pommier

Carlos,
   that's your first item, your line of thinking seems accurate:

   Cisco, Proxim, Trango, Alvarion, StarOS, Mikrotik -- what equipment 
will you choose and what is the advantage/disadvantage of each.
   Maybe your first perspective is: do you want to go with a finished, 
packaged product, or do you want to be able to play more with the 
tools and toys out there?
   The type of computer person you are may be a good guide: do you 
deploy your own Unix/Linux based routers or do you buy Cisco finished 
products?

   Hope that helps some.

Mario

Carlos A. Garcia G wrote:

Thank u very much, but the question it is, i do not know many 
equipments, i have only work with cisco aironet, the last time i do 
something similar and get the cisco 1300 series the problem it is that 
in order that this work i have to use 4 radios


1300--[1300 -ethernet-1300]--1300

and what i need it is to know for example: the proxim LMG22 work in 
5.8 and can be used as:


  LMG22--LMG22--LMG22

im currently looking with cisco, proxym, trango, mikrotik but i dont 
get the answer that im looking for.

Mike Brownson escribió:


Carlos,

It all depends on how big a hill and what speed you need.  There is 
some PtP equipment (Motorola PtP, formerly Orthogon) that can talk 
over the hill in one link if the hill is not too big or the distance 
is not too long.  Other option is to put another repeater in 
between.  But that means another radio site.  If you want to send me 
latitude and longitude of both sites I can see if the one radio link 
will work.


Mike B

Carlos A. Garcia G wrote:

Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my 
ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or 
vendors do i have to contact: look!


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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Supplier

2006-12-04 Thread Mario Pommier
/Dan The Cable Man Oberholtzer at Elepro.com has always been a very 
good source of fiber for me.

26601 - 79th Ave South
Kent, WA 98032
Phone: 800-423-0646
Fax: 253-859-9101
http://elepro.com/

Mario//
/
Scott Reed wrote:

I have the opportunity to bid a inside fiber installation. I have a 
supplier of fiber, but am looking for another one or two for 
competitive bids.  Any recommendations for who to contact for about 
6000' of multimode 50um fiber, 12 strand?


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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-27 Thread Mario Pommier

We've done it two ways:
1.  Electric  - Power converter/charger -12V Batteries - DC regulator 
- DC radios: no AC power adapters
2.  Electric - Power converter/charger -12V Batteries - DC regulator 
- DC-to-AC converter - AC power adapters


   so we use the DC setup to isolate AC lightning danger.

Mario


Rick Smith wrote:


stupid question.

Normally, power supplies convert from AC to DC.

If you wire DC into an outlet, and plug an AC power supply into it, will it
just cut down the DC to whatever that P/S is supposed to provide to the POE
unit, and pass the rest ?

i.e. Solar 48V - 24V Batteries - 24VDC - Outlets w/normal AC P/Ss
plugged into them outputting 5vdc to an AP or the like - will it work ?  I
imagine it will, albeit terribly inefficient...

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Looking for the most efficient use of the battery power and the kit to
achieve it. Old APC's are easy enough to track down on ebay but normally
only have standard AC outputs so I'm guessing you would connect both an APC
and Ethernet direct to the batteries?

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Yes, Paul.
What are you looking for?

Mario

Paul Hendry wrote:

 

Just out of interest, does anyone run batteries (via fuses) directly 
into
cat5 instead of converting back to AC just to run standard 48v PoE up 
the tower?


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Thanks Brian



   


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread.
Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread

Connectors:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110

Batteries:

http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html



Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  

 


Can we get some links to these batteries that work well?
Gino,
Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about?

Brian


Travis Johnson wrote:



   


Hi,

We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect 
the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries.


We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries 
(a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds).

We wire them in series (to get 24VDC).

This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various 
locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life.


Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  

 


You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone?

Travis,
What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw 
and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with 
the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last?


Brian

Travis Johnson wrote:



   

You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so 
you need two batteries running in series.


It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two 
gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on 
the positive side of the connection.


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

  

 

I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting 
an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it 
right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously 
with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle 
battery. Any ideas?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax




   


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Re: [WISPA] wall mount racks

2006-11-24 Thread Mario Pommier

Thanks, Jory.

Mario

Jory Privett wrote:


Here is the closest I can get.
http://www.icintracom.com/america/wall-mount-cabinet-p-5047.html?osCsid=9e471ca66006924051cb4861fca4da73 



Cost about $275

Jory Privett
WCCS

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Does anyone have access to reasonably priced wall mount racks like this
one? ~36x24x24.
I've found them on Ebay before for ~$350 but no luck now.
Thanks a lot.

Mario




 





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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-24 Thread Mario Pommier

Yes, Paul.
What are you looking for?

Mario

Paul Hendry wrote:


Just out of interest, does anyone run batteries (via fuses) directly into
cat5 instead of converting back to AC just to run standard 48v PoE up the
tower?

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Ron Wallace
Sent: 17 November 2006 21:19
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

Thanks Brian

 


-Original Message-
From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 09:41 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread.
Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread

Connectors:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110

Batteries:

http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html



Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

   


Can we get some links to these batteries that work well?
Gino,
Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about?

Brian


Travis Johnson wrote:

 


Hi,

We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the 
positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries.


We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries 
(a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). 
We wire them in series (to get 24VDC).


This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various 
locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life.


Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

   


You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone?

Travis,
What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw 
and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with 
the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last?


Brian

Travis Johnson wrote:

 

You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so 
you need two batteries running in series.


It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two 
gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on 
the positive side of the connection.


Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

   

I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it 
right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously 
with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle 
battery. Any ideas?


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax


 


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[WISPA] wall mount racks

2006-11-22 Thread Mario Pommier
Does anyone have access to reasonably priced wall mount racks like this 
one? ~36x24x24.

I've found them on Ebay before for ~$350 but no luck now.
Thanks a lot.

Mario
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Re: [WISPA] 750feet FSO

2006-11-16 Thread Mario Pommier
No, but I will, first thing today ... I was actually looking for that 
link since I remember a few posts related to cablefreesolutions several 
months ago.

Thanks a lot.

Mario

Brad Belton wrote:


Have you spoken with Stephen Patrick at www.cablefreesolutions.com yet?

Best,


Brad


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Can anyone say if you've successfully installed Free Space Optics at 
~750feet?
A customer seeking to expand mentioned this company: 
http://www.mrv.com/products/line/terescope.php

I've never heard that FSO actually performs reliably.
Thanks.

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[WISPA] 750feet FSO

2006-11-15 Thread Mario Pommier
Can anyone say if you've successfully installed Free Space Optics at 
~750feet?
A customer seeking to expand mentioned this company: 
http://www.mrv.com/products/line/terescope.php

I've never heard that FSO actually performs reliably.
Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] wireless fiber revisited

2006-10-08 Thread Mario Pommier
   The fact you say it's a nice radio is encouraging, Tom, for me since 
I'm considering deploying it.
   But it would still be nice to hear from one or two wISP's who can 
say yeah, I have one installed; it's working fine, or whatever the 
feedback is.

   Anyone???

Mario

Tom DeReggi wrote:

It doesn;t really matter, because the Proxim GB 60Ghz PTP radio is a 
nice radio, and not likely to get discontinued who ever ends up owning 
the change ownership happy Proxim.  The bigger question is wether 
60Ghz will meet your need. The real excitement is in the 70 Ghz and 
80Ghz bands, that have longer distances applicable for WISPs.  What 
will be most existing is when 70-80Ghz gear is down to Proxim 60Ghz 
price. I really see no reason a 70-80Ghz radio needs to be any more 
costly than the 60Ghz ones.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Hi,
   Several weeks ago I posted BridgeWave and GigaBeam prices and 
quick features of wireless Gbps gear.

   Has anyone tried or know about this option:
 -- Proxim Gigalink 6451e- 60Ghz; unlicensed; $10,500 complete link; 
? 5-year hardware warranty; 1Gbps
   Pricing is attractive, isn't it (specially when customer's budget 
is very constrained)? But is Proxim a reliable company at this point?

   Thanks.

Mario

Previous options posted:

-- BridgeWave - 60Ghz; unlicensed; $25,000 complete link; 
~$6,000 5-year hardware warranty; 1Gbps
-- GigaBeam - 70/80Ghz; licensed; $37,000 complete link 
(includes $1,000 10-year license); $0.00 5-year hardware warranty; 
2.7Gbps release by Dec. 2006.







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[WISPA] wireless fiber revisited

2006-10-06 Thread Mario Pommier

Hi,
   Several weeks ago I posted BridgeWave and GigaBeam prices and quick 
features of wireless Gbps gear.

   Has anyone tried or know about this option:
 -- Proxim Gigalink 6451e- 60Ghz; unlicensed; $10,500 complete link; ? 
5-year hardware warranty; 1Gbps
   Pricing is attractive, isn't it (specially when customer's budget is 
very constrained)? But is Proxim a reliable company at this point?

   Thanks.

Mario

Previous options posted:

-- BridgeWave - 60Ghz; unlicensed; $25,000 complete link; 
~$6,000 5-year hardware warranty; 1Gbps
-- GigaBeam - 70/80Ghz; licensed; $37,000 complete link 
(includes $1,000 10-year license); $0.00 5-year hardware warranty; 
2.7Gbps release by Dec. 2006. 






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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced installations

2006-09-22 Thread Mario Pommier

Matt, Pete,
   Can you state what kinds of radios these installs involve? are these 
PoE radios, what brand, what kind of terrain you're installing in, 
rural/metro area?  Is grounding being done?  What if they install a 
non-pen mount?  Same price?  Where does install end: i.e. do they ahve 
to do an indoor run to where the network equipment is?

   It would help to gauge what's involved.
   Thanks.
   BTW, we haven't gone to outsourcing, not yet anyway.

Mario

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

I started out with having my own installers, vans, equipment etc., but 
have switched over to outsourcing almost all of our installations.


At this time last year, I had two different outsourced installers 
going at the same time. We did 80 installs last September and our cost 
was a little bit more than what we were paying our own installers. The 
real difference came when we had a slow month (30-40 installs) and we 
only had to pay for the installs that were completed. One of the 
installers we worked with left to get a higher paying job, and it 
worked out well for all of us. Except for the fact that we have had to 
go out and redo about 25 of his installs because he was mounting too 
low in the houses or putting radios behind trees in the winter. That 
kind of sucked. The other installers has a little bit of a language 
barrier, being from Peru - and was kind of sloppy with his installs at 
first. Over the long run, he has turned out to be great, as he has 
stepped up and done everything we have asked him to do and improved 
the quality of his work considerably along the way. I now give him 
everything that I can, including service calls.


It has been a much better situation to be able to outsource to a good 
contractor. Our successful install rate is much higher and we have 
been able to focus on running and growing our network instead of 
stupid stuff. I am paying $90 to $120 per install (depending on 
mileage, some places are 300 miles round trip), $35 per service call 
and $35 for de-installs. That is working very well for me.


Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Pete Davis wrote:

We outsource most of our installs to our employees. The two techs 
usually go out together, and split the $100. Its not unheard of for 
my techs to make more money on a busy week than I take in my salary, 
and I am an owner.


They make $x/hr to do service calls, uninstalls, AP maintenance, etc 
and if they can keep those caught up, we schedule an install (usually 
1 or 2 /day for 2 techs). They are OFF the clock for installs, and 
get $100/install. We provide the van, the tools, the gas, the CPE, 
and all consumables (staples, caulk, cat5, ends, jacks, faceplates, 
etc). That keeps them from usually turning in overtime. It gives them 
an incentive for completing installs in a timely manner (2 hr install 
= $25/hr/tech). Any service calls resulting from a faulty/sloppy 
install in the first 30 days result in the installer techs going on 
site to fix it on THEIR time, so they have an incentive to get it 
done right the first time around.



We have a few other local IT/phone/security system consultants who 
will occasionally bring us a customer and offer to install them, 
since they are an existing consulting customer for them anyway and 
usually selling them a custom network/phone system/security 
system/audio system anyway. We will usually give them $125 or $150 
and provide the CPE and minimal technical support. They will bring us 
the contract/customer worksheet for our files, and we don't even have 
to go on site. Since we usually charge $149 for the setup, we often 
let the consultant charge whatever he wants, and keep it, and put in 
as many custom cable runs and terminations as they can sell. We just 
start picking up the monthly billing.


Those are good relationships to have.

Pete Davis
NoDial.net



chris cooper wrote:



Im sure this has been covered before…..

Have any of you outsourced installations? If so, has it been a 
positive experience, how much do you pay a contractor?


Thanks

Chris

 
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Mario Pommier

John,
   Good to hear you got issues fixed, independent of the 
manufacturer/vendor you used.

   Regarding the radios you're using now.
   Some of us, like our company, started with Alvarion and never 
switched out.
   It's hard to try other technologies that appear less expensive, when 
the one you already have proves itself year after year after year.  And 
when you can talk to really good engineering support.
   OK, so we haven't found a way to use Alvarion equipment on 
residential markets except where we don't have to compete with $30/mo 
dsl.  But I know some folks, even on this list, who somehow have done that.
   But on the business side, our transition from Alvarion BAII or 900 
to VL has had the same response from our customers that you describe 
wow, that is fast.  Mind you, these customers are still limited on our 
bandwidth manager to the same 1Mbps symmetrical speeds.  But the VL 
network just seems to fly compared to the previous, 4 or more year old 
technologies now.
   It's also hard to try out other technologies when someone like you 
give a report like this one: I was thinking about using Trango for a 
link, but I do not want headaches, not today and not 5 years from today.

   Thanks.

Mario

John Scrivner wrote:

As you guys know my company was having some serious speed and 
reliability issues with our existing Trango backhaul some time back. 
We have about 25 tower locations in Southern Illinois which until 
recently were all fed from these Trango radios. We had countless short 
outages, signal irregularities, bandwidth crunches, etc. The Trangos 
used to work just fine. In the last year or so the Trango links have 
become a big problem for us. We tried several things to fix these 
problems but the Trangos were simply being pushed to do more than they 
were designed to do. The amount of packet counts, speed, etc. we 
needed to reliably serve the towers simply was too much for these 
radios and they were buckling under the strain.


I have always thought highly of Alvarion and knew we could probably 
find a good place for their equipment in our network someday. 
Previously the trouble with choosing Alvarion had always been that we 
either needed something they did not offer at the time needed ( as was 
the case when we selected Trango for multi-point 5 GHz backhaul back 
in the day) or that they were too expensive. Alvarion finally has a 
place in our network.


In the case of our troubled backhaul links Alvarion's VL product 
seemed to fit the bill to help us now. We had seen reports of 50,000 
packet per second throughput and up to 35 megabit per second capacity 
with the new Version 4 of the VL firmware. When I asked about the 
product I was directed to a guy named Mike Cowan of Wireless 
Connections who is a RF engineer and sells Alvarion VL.


Mike spent an incredible amount of time with our staff to look over 
the issues we were having and help us find ways of correcting it. He 
never charged us a dime for what I consider to be thousands of dollars 
worth of support and training. Mike Cowan and Alvarion did more for us 
to help us build a better WISP network than any vendor ever has since 
the day I became a WISP.


We also had some serious peer to peer traffic issues on our network 
which were resolved with a Mikrotik box running to slow down that 
traffic. The combination of this box and the new more robust Alvarion 
VL backhaul has led customers to remark, It's like the difference 
between night and day. We have zero downtime on our backhaul now. We 
were getting countless reports of downtime from our network monitoring 
system before. Now it just works.


I don't think I can overstate the impact Alvarion VL has had on my 
network. If you are having problems with your network then you need to 
at least call Alvarion and give them a shot. In the last three months 
or so we have migrated about 40% of our backhaul links over to 
Alvarion VL. Since that time outages on those most troubled links have 
vanished. Throughput has tripled. People have gone from screaming and 
yelling to sending their friends to us to hookup.


If you guys want to compare the numbers out there I am sure you will 
find a few  different systems that will give comparable umbers to what 
we are seeing with Alvarion VL. What you do not see in those numbers 
is the quality and the reliability of the system. I have always been a 
tinkerer and I will continue to tinker. What I believe though is that 
there is something to be said for buying a high-quality, engineered 
system and that is what you get with Alvarion VL. If you have tower 
locations and/or enterprise customers who cannot afford to be a test 
subject for your tinkering then consider calling Alvarion for those 
links. There is no shame in admitting you cannot possibly build a 
system as reliable as a company who has spent millions of dollars and 
hired countless designers to research and build a better data radio. I 
am certainly not ashamed to 

[WISPA] inexpensive internal point-to-point

2006-09-12 Thread Mario Pommier
what would you recommend for an internal point to point link, going 50 
feet across a backyard?

need: inexpensive; needs to be wireless.
harware budget is no more than: $300.
any thoughts?

Mario


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Re: [WISPA] Tower ice buildup

2006-09-11 Thread Mario Pommier




solid rod towers is all I can say.
Don't know if Trylon is solid or hollow.

Mario

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have looked at the AN Wireless product line and they look like great
towers and are close by in PA, but they don't make anything over 120 feet.
 I need to get higher than that to ensure LOS to some key areas.

I believe my ice question will be answered shortly, the county's
communication site coordinator is having one of his engineers send me the
requirements.

I'm looking for other suggestions for light duty self-support towers or
monopoles as close to 200' as possible but below the 200 mark to avoid FCC
registration and FAA marking.  Have been looking at www.usedtowers.com but
I will need stamped PE drawings for my state so any of those will need to
be re-engineered.  Trylon is appealing because they will supply the
engineering drawings and the cost is relatively low.  I don't have room
for a guyed tower.  Suggestions?

Patrick


  
  
PLEASE take a look at www.anwireless.com for tower considerations. Their
HD series is much beefier then the Trylon towers. When compared side to
side - you'll be pleased.

JohnnyO

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Hello list,

I am planning the installation of a self-supporting tower for a startup
WISP in Maryland.  I am considering light duty off-the-shelf designs
from Trylon such as the SuperTitan.  I am trying to determine whether to
include ice buildup as a factor in the tower purchase.  I have obtained
maximum wind speed data from the local building department but they were
clueless when it came to considerations for ice buildup.  What's the
best practice for arriving at this figure?

Patrick Shoemaker

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[WISPA] wireless fiber deployment

2006-09-05 Thread Mario Pommier




This is a new area of wireless deployment for me:
I've been asked to quote for a gigabit wireless link between a
radiology department and a nearby hospital (0.4 miles).
I'm aware of two options so far, and here's some info I've gathered:
 -- BridgeWave - 60Ghz; unlicensed; $25,000 complete link; ~$6,000
5-year hardware warranty; 1Gbps
 -- GigaBeam - 70/80Ghz; licensed; $37,000 complete link (includes
$1,000 10-year license); $0.00 5-year hardware warranty; 2.7Gbps
release by Dec. 2006.

I know Bob Moldashel said he has installed the Bridgewave.
Anyone care to comment on any experience you've had with these
companies?

Thanks a lot.

Mario




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Re: [WISPA] wireless fiber deployment

2006-09-05 Thread Mario Pommier

Good to hear that.
Priced similarly?

Thanks.

Mario

Matt Liotta wrote:

We deploy BrideWave gear and have been happy with it. BridgeWave also 
has a licensed radio operating in the 80Ghz range.


-Matt

Mario Pommier wrote:


This is a new area of wireless deployment for me:
I've been asked to quote for a gigabit wireless link between a 
radiology department and a nearby hospital (0.4 miles).

I'm aware of two options so far, and here's some info I've gathered:
-- BridgeWave - 60Ghz; unlicensed; $25,000 complete link; ~$6,000 
5-year hardware warranty; 1Gbps
-- GigaBeam - 70/80Ghz; licensed; $37,000 complete link (includes 
$1,000 10-year license); $0.00 5-year hardware warranty; 2.7Gbps 
release by Dec. 2006.


I know Bob Moldashel said he has installed the Bridgewave.
Anyone care to comment on any experience you've had with these 
companies?


Thanks a lot.

Mario





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[WISPA] 73 mile link

2006-08-25 Thread Mario Pommier

Gentlemen,
   Is this even doable?: 74 mile point-to-point link.
   Very Clear LOS to mountaintop.
   Thinking of a 40Mbps minimum.  This means 5.8Ghz I guess.
   This is the kind of thing I have to stretch my mind to in order to 
reduce my bandwidth costs to the internet.

   Thanks.

Mario


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Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story

2006-08-18 Thread Mario Pommier

Tom,
   Real basic question:
   Can you explain the comment on wishing to have the War/V3 solution?
   What would War/V3 have given you?

Mario

Tom DeReggi wrote:



Just completed install for client, that we quoted blind.  The supposed 
Near-LOS partial freznel obstruction from a building, unfortuneately 
turned out to really mean NON-LOS through thick row of pine trees 
between buildings.  Buildings were probably 600 yards away from each 
other.  The Trango built-in antenna model installed pulled 46 mbps 
throughput and zero packet loss, perfect link. WooHoo.  (I know short 
distance, but pine trees scare me, and often have unpredictable 
results even when doing 900Mhz).


Only negative thing was Trango made the profit, allowing me only to 
make $200 markup, instead of the original $1500, that I had originally 
covered in my quote with a Routerboard 532 solution, that didn't get 
the 30mbps capacity requirement. My pocket book, wishes I had the 
War/V3 solution a week earlier :-(


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: StarOS




Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Re: StarOS


With the nazi administration currently in power, one should think 
twice before deciding someone shouldn't be allowed to say or write 
things. But, I must say this statement is like a Linux loon calling 
FreeBSD crap. - cw


JohnnyO wrote:

I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and 
Star-OS

crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I
would look for posts labled Star-OS !


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[WISPA] fiber connection for bridgewave

2006-08-01 Thread Mario Pommier
Has anyone here delved into the option of terminating fiber runs for a 
bridgewave gigabit link?
What's more economical -- to hire out the termination job or getting 
training and buying the terminating equipment onself?
If the latter, where have you gotten the training and equipment?  (I've 
heard the equipment is expensive).


Mario


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Re: [WISPA] fiber connection for bridgewave

2006-08-01 Thread Mario Pommier
YOU CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON WISPA!  
Thanks.


Mario

John Scrivner wrote:


http://www.panduit.com/

Find your nearest dealer or become a dealer. They train you for free. 
Less than $500 worth of tools and you can terminate fiber forever with 
low-cost easy to use parts. Why pay someone to come and put ends on 
your fiber when you can do it yourself? I figured it out which means 
anyone can.

:-)
Scriv


Brad Belton wrote:

We've always contracted out our fiber work, but be careful as not all 
fiber
techs are equal in their abilities. 
We've settled on a group that is reasonable for small jobs and 
charges us
$400 for eight connectors total including travel and parts.  They do 
a great

job no matter what type connector or type of fiber used.

We tried a cheaper fiber group once.  After several attempts by two
different techs they told us the fiber we had was bad they couldn't 
shoot
any light through it.  I said thank you very much, here's your sign 
and
asked them to leave. 
Next day the fiber was terminated by our usual group.  That was a few 
years
ago and we haven't felt it necessary to look for another fiber tech 
since.


Best,

Brad


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Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:25 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] fiber connection for bridgewave

Has anyone here delved into the option of terminating fiber runs for 
a bridgewave gigabit link?
What's more economical -- to hire out the termination job or getting 
training and buying the terminating equipment onself?
If the latter, where have you gotten the training and equipment?  
(I've heard the equipment is expensive).


Mario


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[WISPA] 900 Mhz bandpass filters

2006-06-15 Thread Mario Pommier
Anyone know of a source for 900 Mhz bandpass filters to selectively 
filter out other transmitters within the 902-to-928 Mhz frequencies.  In 
my particular case, I'd need to filter our from 902-to-915 Mhz, so I can 
transmit in the 917-to-922 range.

Thanks.

Mario


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[WISPA] 95th percentile calculator

2006-05-19 Thread Mario Pommier
Does anyone know of a cost-effective option for a 95th percentile 
bandwidth usage calculator?

Say for example, an add-on to the Mikrotik bandwidth manager?

Thanks.

Mario

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Re: [WISPA] 95th percentile calculator

2006-05-19 Thread Mario Pommier

That's it, thanks.

Mario

Russ Kreigh wrote:


Could you run cacti on an interface of the Mikrotik and build a 95th
percentile graph?

Russ Kreigh
Network Engineer
OnlyInternet.Net Broadband  Wireless
Supernova Technologies
Office: (800) 363-0989
Direct: (260) 827-2486
Fax:(260) 824-9624
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Does anyone know of a cost-effective option for a 95th percentile bandwidth
usage calculator?
Say for example, an add-on to the Mikrotik bandwidth manager?

Thanks.

Mario

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Re: [WISPA] Fw: Google, eBay and Amazon may build their own wireless Internet

2006-04-14 Thread Mario Pommier

So the 700Mhz won't be unlicensed?
Or even if licensed, unavailable to the small wISP?
Thanks.

Mario

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:



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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:17 PM
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http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=17artnum=1issue=20060410 



Internet  Technology
Internet, Media Outfits Could Bid For Spectrum

BY REINHARDT KRAUSE

INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

Posted 4/10/2006

Analysts are speculating that Internet and media companies could team 
up to bid for radio spectrum in order to launch wireless broadband 
services, as a way around the phone companies.


Rumors that nontelecom companies could bid for wireless spectrum have 
floated around for a few years. The new speculation focuses on large 
Internet content firms such as Google, (GOOG) Amazon.com, (AMZN) and 
eBay. (EBAY)


Fueling the talk is a regulatory battle — the network neutrality 
issue — pitting Internet firms against phone companies ATT, (T) 
Verizon Communications, (VZ) and BellSouth. (BLS)


Phone companies want to charge Internet firms for moving movies, 
video games, music and other bandwidth-hungry content over their 
networks. This is aside from the subscription fees they charge 
broadband subscribers.


Under their plan, Internet firms would pay extra to transmit content 
via faster and more secure lanes on the Internet highway.


Internet firms object. They want lawmakers and regulators to 
guarantee network neutrality. That means all Internet traffic would 
be treated the same, and that phone company customers couldn't get 
special treatment over others.


Phone companies and cable TV operators provide most high-speed 
connections to homes. Cable firms are part of the debate, but for now 
phone outfits are in the forefront.


By owning their own radio spectrum, Internet and media firms could 
deliver services to homes via their own wireless broadband pipe. But 
that's only if they pay the billions of dollars the spectrum is 
expected to garner at auction, plus build wireless networks.


Few Taking Any Bets

That's a big if, but phone companies are watching closely because the 
stakes are so high.


It wouldn't shock me to find a range of unusual bidders in the 
upcoming spectrum auctions, said Jim Cicconi, ATT senior vice 
president for legislative affairs.


But there's no question about his point of view.

Experience has shown that some companies haven't needed a well 
thought-out business plan to bid (in earlier auctions), he said.


The federal government has two big spectrum auctions in the works. 
One is scheduled for June and involves spectrum in the 1710-1755 and 
2110-2155 MHz frequency bands.


The second auction would involve frequency in the 700 MHz band. That 
auction depends on TV broadcasters returning spectrum to the 
government after they move to high definition. That auction might not 
occur until 2008.


Cicconi suggests that wireless broadband might not be the best 
business for Internet or media firms. He says they might be better 
off cutting a deal with ATT or other phone companies, which are 
experienced network operators.


Any content provider would have a build vs. buy (bandwidth) decision 
to make, he added. What's the cost of building out your own network 
as opposed to contracting for a service?


Real-Time Video Isn't Easy

Cicconi adds that it would be challenging for Internet firms to 
deliver streaming video services reliably via wireless broadband.


Some methods that Internet and media firms seem to be eyeing don't 
involve real-time streaming.


Instead, video or other content could be downloaded to a computer, 
digital video recorder or portable device. That's less taxing on a 
network.


ATT and other phone companies have promised not to block network 
access or degrade service to companies that don't agree to pay a 
premium rate.


And current services that gobble up bandwidth — such as Google's 
video store and Apple Computer's (AAPL) iTunes music service — seem 
to be doing fine.


Internet companies are eyeing bigger bandwidth-hungry services, 
analysts say. Amazon, for one, is expected to launch a digital 
distribution service including music and movies by year-end.


Phone carriers say it's unfair for them to invest more in network 
infrastructure to carry Internet firms' content if they can't make 
more money as the middleman.


It's unclear whether Congress or the Federal Communications 
Commission will adopt any broad policies involving network 
neutrality. One bill in Congress would let the FCC address complaints 
from content firms on a case-by-case basis.


Web companies that have pushed for Congress' help include Google, 
Amazon, eBay, Microsoft (MSFT) and Yahoo. (YHOO)


Walt Disney (DIS) has said it doesn't think legislation to guarantee 
network 

[WISPA] access near Shirley, WVa.

2006-04-13 Thread Mario Pommier

Anyone provide access in West Union, West Viriginia, near Shirley?
Address:
HC67 Box 197
West Union, W Va. 26456

I understand it's the backwoods.
The customer is high up on a hill/mountain.

Thanks.

Mario
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Re: [WISPA] phone-to-voip-to-ethernet conversion

2006-04-07 Thread Mario Pommier

Thanks A LOT.
I'll let you know I end up trying.

Mario


Brian Whigham wrote:


Mario,
Let me preface my suggestion with the fact that you didn't specify how 
many extensions were at the remote office nor what brand of PBX you're 
using.


Since you suggested a one line Linksys device, I'll assume you're only 
dealing with a hand full of extensions, at most.  Otherwise, you might 
want to look into bridging a T1 signal with channel banks on each 
side; or better yet, you could pipe all PBX extensions (for the remote 
office) into a channel bank and convert to a T1 which feeds into an 
Asterisk server (with Digium T1 card).  I suspect that going into this 
would be overkill.


That said, I'd be weary of mixing VoIP and PBX.  I've had Digium 
equipment hooked to a Lucent Partner system fry (unable to handle 
extension signalling?).  And I suppose you might even fry ports on the 
PBX end (I believe I had that problem too).  I would generally stay 
away from mixing legacy PBX (fxo ports) and VoIP ATAs.  But, you'll 
save a ton by getting your proposed setup to work.  So, it's worth a 
shot.  But, I wouldn't guarantee anything to my boss if I were you.


John's suggestion is the correct setup.  Not sure what hardware would 
be best; but you might try WRT54GL (with DD-WRT firmware) for AP and 
bridge solution and a Sipura 3000.  The sipura allows for incoming TDM 
calls (on FXO port) to route to VoIP port (rather than a simple FXS 
phone).  You need this functionality in your situation.  Then use your 
preferred VoIP phone on the remote end.


Keep in mind that you will probably not be able to dial extensions 
from the remote end, though you theoretically should be able to have 
extension dialing from the main office to the remote end POTS phone.  
I call the remote end  a POTS phone because POTS signalling is 
basically the only common denominator between the remote end and the 
main office.  Typical VoIP ATAs don't understand (and can't generate) 
Samsung/Lucent/Other legacy, proprietary PBX signalling.  There are 
some VoIP devices out there that are made to integrate with legacy PBX 
systems.  I haven't tried them; and prepare to pay $.  If you could 
find one, that could get outbound extension dialing from the remote 
office.


Oh, and that solution is just for one phone.  You'd need multiple 
sipuras for multiple phones (or split it out with an ATA on the remote 
end to another PBX and have the main office dial extensions to get to 
someone at the remote office; this would be ugly).


Hope that helps,

Brian Whigham
Yonder Networks
www.yondernetworks.com

John J. Thomas wrote:


PBXFXOmoduleEthernetWirelessBridgeWirelessBridgeEthernetFXS module

Here is one example, Google will probably get you cheaper ones


John


 


-Original Message-
From: Mario Pommier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2006 10:57 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] phone-to-voip-to-ethernet conversion

I have an interesting application, that maybe someone has tried:

Customer is expanding to a remote office, across the street from the 
main office.

They need to connect voice and data between the two.
There's clear LOS, so a wireless link will work.
The telephone PBX is at the main office, of course.
I need to send avoice line across the wireless link from the main 
office to the remote one.

How do I add the voice?  Couldn't I simply do this?

PBX [telephone cord][Linksys VoIP phone]-[switch 
(which also has an uplink to the wired network)][wireless radio]


On the other side of the link, the telephone cord would go into a 
desktop phone terminal.


Thanks.

Mario
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Re: [WISPA] TV spectrum

2006-04-06 Thread Mario Pommier

just fyi, that link doesn't find anything.

M

John Scrivner wrote:


SNIP

Now I want you guys, all of you guys, to go to 
http://www.house.gov/writerep/ and write a letter to your Rep. The 
site will find your rep by zip code for you. Even if you are not in 
the states where this laughable legislation originated you need to 
speak out. We obviously do not want to alienate the whole House of 
Representatives but we do need them to understand that this is not 
going to come close to doing the job they are trying to do and that 
this is not going to fix anything unless we have access to a larger 
amount of quality spectrum. So please go now and make this happen, 
right now, in the next 10 minutes.

Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:


All,

Could this be good news for WISP's? Any thoughts on how this may 
affect the wireless industry?






Regards,
Dawn
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[WISPA] phone-to-voip-to-ethernet conversion

2006-04-06 Thread Mario Pommier

I have an interesting application, that maybe someone has tried:

Customer is expanding to a remote office, across the street from the 
main office.

They need to connect voice and data between the two.
There's clear LOS, so a wireless link will work.
The telephone PBX is at the main office, of course.
I need to send avoice line across the wireless link from the main office 
to the remote one.

How do I add the voice?  Couldn't I simply do this?

PBX [telephone cord][Linksys VoIP phone]-[switch (which 
also has an uplink to the wired network)][wireless radio]


On the other side of the link, the telephone cord would go into a 
desktop phone terminal.


Thanks.

Mario
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[WISPA] licensed links

2006-03-23 Thread Mario Pommier
helps me, Marlon, as I'm now looking to provide a licensed link of 
25Mbps or more to a regional TV network.

Thanks.

Mario

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:


www.microwavenetworks.com

Call the main office.  Talk to Brad Ingram 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tell him his number came from Charlie 
Curothers (sp?)


Their fastest system will do 155 megs but you can hook more than one 
into the same antenna via taps in the wave guide.  Run each of those 
systems via a failover router type system and off you go, high speed, 
fully redundant etc.


Hope that helps,
marlon

- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] high bandwidth long links


300-600Mbps

On Apr 28, 2005, at 4:46 PM, G.Villarini wrote:


What kind of bandwith? Gige?

Gino A. Villarini,
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.767.7466

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On Apr 28, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Charles Wu wrote:


True; I'm making the assumption that you're in the business of
providing connectivity - and that wireless (licensed or
license-exempt) is just another tool in the box.

That said, if you're irrational enough to stick with wireless, you can
always follow Ken D's suggestion, and string a LONG LINE of 500' 60
GHz GigE links...


Why do I have to be irrational? Show me the cost benefit analysis of
trenching fiber vs. using wireless and we will see who is rational.

-Matt
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[WISPA] 5Mbps+ 900Mhz radios

2006-03-09 Thread Mario Pommier

Has anyone else gotten this link?

http://www.wirelessinteractive.com/pdf/radios/Orion900_specs.pdf

The downside is of course the large amount of spectrum needed to achieve 
higher throughputs.  However, it seems attractive if you're in an area 
that is interference free.


Anyone used Wireless Interactive equipment?
Comments?

Thanks.

Mario


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Re: [WISPA] WISPS DO have to file the 477

2006-02-28 Thread Mario Pommier

so what is the link to the form?
I've seen links to instructions, and descriptions in the fcc website.
Maybe my browser is hiding the actual form.
thanks.

Mario

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Thanks Kris!

For those that don't know him, Kris is a telecom attorney who's been a 
HUGE friend to the WISP industry.


http://www.lokt.net/

Laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
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- Original Message - From: Lists for LoKT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: FCC Digest, Vol 12, Issue 8


Yes, WISPs must fill out Form 477. Here is the link to the 
instructions for

the form: http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477instr.pdf
In that form, the relevant part is below. And as an aside, sheesh, 
everybody

should try to be a little nicer to each other. And that's coming from a
lawyer even...

. Facilities-based Providers of Broadband Connections to End User 
Locations:

Entities that are facilities-based providers of broadband connections -
which, for purposes of this information collection, are wired lines or
wireless channels that enable the end user to receive information from
and/or send information to the Internet at information transfer rates
exceeding 200 kbps in at least one direction - must complete and file 
the
applicable portions of this form for each state in which the entity 
provides

one or more such connections to end user locations.

For the purposes of Form 477, an entity is a facilities-based 
provider of
broadband connections to end user locations if it owns the portion of 
the
physical facility that terminates at the end user location, if it 
obtains

unbundled network elements (UNEs), special access lines, or other leased
facilities that terminate at the end user location and provisions/equips
them as broadband, or if it provisions/equips a broadband wireless 
channel
to the end user location over licensed or unlicensed spectrum. Such 
entities

include incumbent and competitive local exchange carriers (LECs), cable
system operators, fixed wireless service providers (including wireless
ISPs), terrestrial and satellite mobile wireless service providers, 
MMDS

providers, electric utilities, municipalities, and other entities. (Such
entities do not include equipment suppliers unless the equipment 
supplier
uses the equipment to provision a broadband connection that it offers 
to the

public for sale. Such entities also do not include providers of fixed
wireless services (e.g., Wi-Fi and other wireless ethernet,or wireless
local area network, applications) that only enable local distribution 
and
sharing of a premises broadband facility.) For such entities, the 
applicable

portions of the form are: 1) the Cover Page; 2) Part I; 3) Part IV (if
necessary); and the relevant portion(s) of Part V.

Kris
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Kristopher E. Twomey
Telecom/Internet Law and Regulatory Consulting
510 903-1304
www.lokt.net


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Subject: [WISPA FCC] Re: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st
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It was 400 wisps last I heard.

You HAVE to fill it out.  Doesn't do anything for you to not fill it out
anyway.

On this note.  I spent quite a bit of time on the phone with the 477 
folks

today (we're working with them on a solution for those that don't have
excel).

It turns out it's not unusual for third parties to file for you.  You 
just
have to sign a form saying that the info from the other party is 
accurate.

Many small telcos have consultants or lawyers do it for them.

Having said that, we'll send them in for anyone that 

[WISPA] commscope 3227 coax

2006-02-24 Thread Mario Pommier

has anyone used Comm-scope Cable 3227 LMR400-type coax?
it is reliable?
Thanks.

Mario


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


Judge Judy

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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Behalf Of Cliff Leboeuf
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:07 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Terms and Contracts

Jory,

To me, it depends on a few things...

1. Do you have a written contract that has a term commitment and
the cancellation fees clearly stated?
2. If you do, is it amount worth pursuing for collections based
on the risk, money and time you will spend?
3. If you do pursue, and win, is the customer capable of paying
the judgment?

I have been successful in enforcing a number of my contracts through
small claims court.

- Cliff


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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 11:41 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Terms and Contracts

I was just wondering how a small WISP goes about enforcing a contract?
If 
someone cancels early what actions do I have available to enforce their 
contract?  Any Ideas or suggestions?


Jory Privett
WCCS


 


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Re: Fw: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st

2006-02-23 Thread Mario Pommier




If I understand correctly, any WISP with less than 250 customers in a
given state does not need to file.

 The reporting threshold for broadband reporting is facilities-based
firms that provide at least 250 one-way or two-way broadband (in excess
of 200 kilobits per second) service lines or wireless channels in a
given state, or have at least 250 one-way or two-way broadband
customers in a given state.

Correct?
If so, I don't understand the sense of setting up a threshold like this
one.

Mario


Bob Moldashel wrote:
On all due
respectIt didn't answer the question..
  
  
-B-
  
  
  
  
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
  
  
  Hi All,


For those that think it's no big deal to not fill this out. Please
read the note below from Ellen Burton with the FCC. She's in charge of
this form.


Guys, they are making this as easy as they can for us. I think we have
nothing to gain and much to loose by being a PITA.


laters,

Marlon

(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales

(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services

42846865 (icq) And I run my own
wisp!

64.146.146.12 (net meeting)

www.odessaoffice.com/wireless

www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam




- Original Message - From: "Ellen Burton"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: "Marlon K. Schafer" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:44 AM

Subject: RE: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st



See #20 in the set of Form 477 FAQs that's available at

http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/broadband_data_faq.html:


20. Are there penalties for not filing Form 477?


Entities that are required to file Form 477 but fail to do so may be

subject to the enforcement provisions of the Communications Act and any

other applicable law. In particular, the Commission has authority

pursuant to sections 502 and 503 of the Communications Act to enforce

compliance by fine or forfeiture.


-Original Message-

From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:30 PM

To: Ellen Burton

Subject: Fw: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st


Hiya Ellen,


Remember when I asked what the penalty is for not filing the 477? Got

an

answer for me yet?


thanks!

marlon


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To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org; "Marlon Schafer

(509-982-2181)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 5:20 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st



OK...OK.
  
  
I agree that all should probably file. I have several partners so I
  


am


not the only one to decide so I will leave
it at that as it pertains
  


to my


WISP entity.
  
  
BUT...What is the penalty for not filing Does anyone know???
  


Can


we get an official statement for this
situation? Are there fines?
  
Penalty's?? Do you get a nasty gram?? Do they not send me a xmas card
  



next year?? What???
  
  
It may help bring more compliance or it may result in less filings.
  
Either way I think the membership should know.
  
  
Marlon...How about asking some of your contacts.
  
  
-B-
  
  


  
  
  



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Re: Fw: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st

2006-02-23 Thread Mario Pommier




hmm, seems like I was reding the old form from Year 2,000.


Mario Pommier wrote:

  
If I understand correctly, any WISP with less than 250 customers in a
given state does not need to file.
  
   The reporting threshold for broadband reporting is
facilities-based
firms that provide at least 250 one-way or two-way broadband (in excess
of 200 kilobits per second) service lines or wireless channels in a
given state, or have at least 250 one-way or two-way broadband
customers in a given state.
  
Correct?
If so, I don't understand the sense of setting up a threshold like this
one.
  
Mario
  
  
Bob Moldashel wrote:
  On all
due
respectIt didn't answer the question.. 

-B- 



Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: 

Hi All, 
  
For those that think it's no big deal to not fill this out. Please
read the note below from Ellen Burton with the FCC. She's in charge of
this form. 
  
Guys, they are making this as easy as they can for us. I think we have
nothing to gain and much to loose by being a PITA. 
  
laters, 
Marlon 
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales 
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 
42846865 (icq) And I run my own
wisp! 
64.146.146.12 (net meeting) 
  www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
  
  www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - From: "Ellen Burton"
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: "Marlon K. Schafer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:44 AM 
Subject: RE: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st 
  
  
See #20 in the set of Form 477 FAQs that's available at 
  http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/broadband_data_faq.html:
  
  
20. Are there penalties for not filing Form 477? 
  
Entities that are required to file Form 477 but fail to do so may be 
subject to the enforcement provisions of the Communications Act and any
  
other applicable law. In particular, the Commission has authority 
pursuant to sections 502 and 503 of the Communications Act to enforce 
compliance by fine or forfeiture. 
  
-Original Message- 
From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:30 PM 
To: Ellen Burton 
Subject: Fw: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st 
  
Hiya Ellen, 
  
Remember when I asked what the penalty is for not filing the 477? Got 
an 
answer for me yet? 
  
thanks! 
marlon 
  
- Original Message - From: "Bob Moldashel"
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org;
"Marlon Schafer 
(509-982-2181)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 5:20 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st 
  
  
  OK...OK. 

I agree that all should probably file. I have several partners so I 
  
  
am 
  
  not the only one to decide so I will
leave
it at that as it pertains 
  
  
to my 
  
  WISP entity. 

BUT...What is the penalty for not filing Does anyone know??? 
  
  
Can 
  
  we get an official statement for this
situation? Are there fines? 
Penalty's?? Do you get a nasty gram?? Do they not send me a xmas card 
  
  
  
  next year?? What??? 

It may help bring more compliance or it may result in less filings. 
Either way I think the membership should know. 

Marlon...How about asking some of your contacts. 

-B- 

  
  



  



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Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-23 Thread Mario Pommier




Lonnie,
 when will your radios support mesh, as described in your previous
post?

M

Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:

  I guess you'll have to learn more about Mesh because if you did you
would not say that a dedicated backhaul and microcell approach gives
the same functionality.  Sure a dedicated backhaul and microcell are
fine because that is what people have been building since forever.

Mesh handles routing issues and requires routed networks.  Is that the
problem you see?

Lonnie

On 2/23/06, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
First off, don't.  Mesh is all the rage today.  Just like hotspots were a
couple of years ago.  Mesh and muni are often rolled out in the same
sentence.  Show me ONE that's working correctly past the 6 to 12 month
stage..

Having said that, you can still give them the same functionality.

Use a dedicated backhaul system.  Trango, Airaya, Canopy, Alvarion, pick
your high end ptmp system.  Use that to feed micro cell wifi deployments
that are down at street level.

Same functionality, greater flexibility, MUCH better scalability and, I
believe, much better stability.

That help?
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To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com ; 'WISPA General List'
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:32 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

Does anyone have a good recommendation on some Mesh equipment.  I have a
small town that wants to provide Internet access to the entire town and I'm
thinking of using mesh technology.  Any ideas would be great.

Thanks,
Steve




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Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment

2006-02-23 Thread Mario Pommier




good deal!
do you have info on the tech specs of the system in the website?
thanks.

Mario

Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:

  We released the code yesterday as part of our v3 for the WAR boards. 
The beta part is mostly for the Atheros driver which continues to get
tweaks and add-ons.

We have been testing and playing with mesh since Fall 2005.  We felt
it was ready for prime time.

Lonnie

On 2/23/06, Mario Pommier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
Lonnie,
when will your radios support mesh, as described in your previous post?

M


Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
I guess you'll have to learn more about Mesh because if you did you

  
  would
  
  
not say that a dedicated backhaul and microcell approach gives

  
  the same
  
  
functionality. Sure a dedicated backhaul and microcell are

  
  fine because that
  
  
is what people have been building since forever.

  
  
Mesh handles routing
  
  
issues and requires routed networks. Is that the

  
  problem you
  
  
see?

  
  
Lonnie

On 2/23/06, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
  
  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
First off, don't. Mesh is all the rage today. Just like hotspots were
a

  
  couple of years ago. Mesh and muni are often rolled out in the
  
  
same

  
  sentence. Show me ONE that's working correctly past the 6 to 12
  
  
month

  
  stage..

Having said that, you can still give them the same
  
  
functionality.

  
  
Use a dedicated backhaul system. Trango, Airaya, Canopy,
  
  
Alvarion, pick

  
  your high end ptmp system. Use that to feed micro cell wifi
  
  
deployments

  
  that are down at street level.

Same functionality, greater
  
  
flexibility, MUCH better scalability and, I

  
  believe, much better
  
  
stability.

  
  
That help?
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment
sales
(408) 907-6910
  
  
(Vonage) Consulting services

  
  42846865 (icq) And I run
my own
  
  
wisp!

  
  64.146.146.12 (net
  
  
meeting)

  
  www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam




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'WISPA General List'

  
  Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:32 PM
Subject:
  
  
[WISPA] Mesh Equipment

  
  
Does anyone have a good recommendation on some Mesh
  
  
equipment. I have a

  
  small town that wants to provide Internet access to the
  
  
entire town and I'm

  
  thinking of using mesh technology. Any ideas would be
  
  
great.

  
  
Thanks,
Steve




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Re: [WISPA] BPSK QAM16 DSSS interference

2006-02-08 Thread Mario Pommier




what brand?

dustin jurman wrote:

  Thank you Charles,  

We use radio's that use 256 dots of modulation.

Dustin Jurman
President
Rapid Systems Corporation
1211 N. Westshore Blvd
Tampa, FL 33607
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Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 9:29 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] BPSK QAM16 DSSS interference

  
  
As you start to walk up the modulation line you definitely need more 
C/I,

  
  but you also start to loose the ability to use full power out of the radio.

A small bit of trivial regarding this issue

With higher order modulation schemes, the EVM (Error Vector Magnitude) can
be so high that even on a perfect link (no noise) the receive chip is
incable of decoding the signal properly into the correct 64 "dots" of the
QAM modulation plot.

This QAM constellation "interference" can be represented by a grid of 8x8
dots that are being blurred by the transmitter not handling the signals with
enough linearity (e.g., the radio power amp is turned to high).  When too
much blur occurs, the adjacent dots touch each other and the receiver will
not be able to decipher the signal (it's blurred)

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

2006-01-11 Thread Mario Pommier




That's what I had been told.
And even if there is an airport, I had heard that if your tower is not
along the line the airplanes use to land/take off, you're ok.
there are two local airports within 10 miles of my tower and the town
didn't say anything, and the faa friend of the engineer we work with
said we'd be ok.

Mario

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

  Sounds like I'll be fine cause there isn't an airport close to here.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:59 AM
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There are FAA guidelines about structures under 200 feet near airports 
but I have not searched for those guidelines. If you Google it and find 
anything of interest please feel free to pass along to the rest of us 
here. I remember something about allowing so many feet above AGL 
(Average Ground Level) for every mile from a runway.
Scriv

  
  
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*Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

Did anyone ever respond on this? I am interested as well.

Thanks,

John



  
  
  
  
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*Subject:* [WISPA] Tower Height Regulations

Beside's local regulations does the FAA/FCC have requirements on
the distance your tower is from the roads if it falls. I had
someone tell me today that a couple years ago they made a law that
if you had a 100' tower it needed to be 150' away from the road.
And they said that older towers would be grandfathered in.

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

114 S. Walnut St.

Bucyrus, OH 44820

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[WISPA] skypilot?

2005-12-20 Thread Mario Pommier

Gentlemen,
   is anyone using this product?
   looks good on paper, doesn't it?

Mario


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[WISPA] remote power control

2005-12-11 Thread Mario Pommier

Hi,
   Since I've heard some not-so-good experiences with the APC 
MasterSwtich, I went looking on the web.
   Ebay led me to this product, has anyone used this power control 
device?  Any feedback on it?


http://www.digital-loggers.com/EPC.html

Thanks.

Mario
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[WISPA] canopy interference

2005-12-01 Thread Mario Pommier




Does someone know what these claims mean?
Saw them in a Canopy presentation:



Canopy
was optimized to ignore external interference.

Every
radio is factory tested to meet throughput at 3db C/I (channel
interference?) 
Canopy
nominal C/I performance is ~2 dB. 
Competitions
C/I requirements are 8db  25 db.

Thanks.

Mario
 






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