Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Were we not considering some sort of joint event with FISPA? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 12:03 -0800, Forbes Mercy wrote: While I initially had the same concerns you had and was not even that personally impressed in our meeting with their promoters, I eventually decided it was the way to go for one reason, membership. So, here is the board (one member anyway) stating that you (not a committee) decided to go with them. Also for those who have stated we have made up our minds, those people are just people stirring s^t, they speak from no fact whatsoever and just like to say the board just does what they want, it's crap, untrue. Even YOU say that the board made this decision. Well, not the board, but you and Matt. The message posted to the committee said the same thing. Who is the those people... you are referring to? I have stated nothing more or less than fact. We've been very transparent and this debate is us taking that input and using it to weigh heavily in our decision. Which input are you referring to? There has been only one message (mine) posted to the committee list and I didn't say one way or the other beyond stating that IF we (WISPA) were to put on a show, it would have to be late in the year due to the timing of the messages and discussion (or lack of discussion, to be more precise). FWIW, it would appear that the board is not even in complete agreement that the path you and Matt chose is right, as Marlon has been posting things to the show committee list indicating that HE thinks the show should be a WISPA event, too. It's a huge decision, easy for members to say hey you put on your own show but just think about the work that would put on a volunteer board versus the idea of what I stated above. But isn't this a member focused organization? At least this should have been a committee decision. We did not even have opportunity to discuss it. We were simply told that you (Forbes) and Matt had made the decision. There was no input to consider. Most opinions I've read have been self serving ones, 'put it five miles from my house' kind of thing. We're trying to serve the entire country and those with the middle America approach are very valid for that reason. We'd really enjoy hearing these kind of ideas but if we sit here and argue where all day we'll never get to put it on and yet another WISPA initiative gets buried in minutia, as a board this is exactly what we are trying to stop. THEN SEND THE QUESTION TO A COMMITTEE! Isn't that what the committees are for? This isn't even a member's list that you are posting this to (me, either). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Orlando! We have the 4 Disney parks, Universal Studios, Blue Men, Sea World, I-Drive area, Kissimmee area and a WHOLE lot more. I'm not aware of any zip lines though. :oP Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isn't about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
You're wanting to go on a family vacation? I thought this was to be a WISP conference. Like, for WISP operators. I, personally, have no intention of spending that much for airline tickets, and going to play with Mickey Mouse while I'm at a conference. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.comwrote: Orlando! We have the 4 Disney parks, Universal Studios, Blue Men, Sea World, I-Drive area, Kissimmee area and a WHOLE lot more. I'm not aware of any zip lines though. :oP Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isn't about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests
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Tickets to Orlando for me are dirt cheap. Always have been. From KY to Orlando for the FISPA conference next month it's only $222 roundtrip. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show You're wanting to go on a family vacation? I thought this was to be a WISP conference. Like, for WISP operators. I, personally, have no intention of spending that much for airline tickets, and going to play with Mickey Mouse while I'm at a conference. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.comwrote: Orlando! We have the 4 Disney parks, Universal Studios, Blue Men, Sea World, I-Drive area, Kissimmee area and a WHOLE lot more. I'm not aware of any zip lines though. :oP Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isn't about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B
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I live in Orlando so no, I'm not planning a family vacation but Orlando is one of the more popular conference spots in the US due to it's tourism industry. It may not be for everybody, but having the option of doing business/pleasure in one trip is attractive to some. Sorry if you took offense. Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show You're wanting to go on a family vacation? I thought this was to be a WISP conference. Like, for WISP operators. I, personally, have no intention of spending that much for airline tickets, and going to play with Mickey Mouse while I'm at a conference. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.comwrote: Orlando! We have the 4 Disney parks, Universal Studios, Blue Men, Sea World, I-Drive area, Kissimmee area and a WHOLE lot more. I'm not aware of any zip lines though. :oP Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isn't about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U
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WORK at a trade show/conference? I can stay home and work...LOL Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show You're wanting to go on a family vacation? I thought this was to be a WISP conference. Like, for WISP operators. I, personally, have no intention of spending that much for airline tickets, and going to play with Mickey Mouse while I'm at a conference. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I personally like central shows because less travel time and less time zone change for all America attending. As well, this even is targeted as a RURAL conference, and might make sense for it to be closer to more Rural market. I'd argue there are more Rural locations in the Western States. But Orlando is one of the lowest cost venue places for shows in a major market (after considering all extra costs) and Flights are always pretty cheap, even from the west coast. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Tickets to Orlando for me are dirt cheap. Always have been. From KY to Orlando for the FISPA conference next month it's only $222 roundtrip. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show You're wanting to go on a family vacation? I thought this was to be a WISP conference. Like, for WISP operators. I, personally, have no intention of spending that much for airline tickets, and going to play with Mickey Mouse while I'm at a conference. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.comwrote: Orlando! We have the 4 Disney parks, Universal Studios, Blue Men, Sea World, I-Drive area, Kissimmee area and a WHOLE lot more. I'm not aware of any zip lines though. :oP Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isn't about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping
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Central is better. I like not losing a day for travel. I thought St. Louis was suggested at one point, which seems like a decent idea. -Matt On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:49 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: I personally like central shows because less travel time and less time zone change for all America attending. As well, this even is targeted as a RURAL conference, and might make sense for it to be closer to more Rural market. I'd argue there are more Rural locations in the Western States. But Orlando is one of the lowest cost venue places for shows in a major market (after considering all extra costs) and Flights are always pretty cheap, even from the west coast. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Tickets to Orlando for me are dirt cheap. Always have been. From KY to Orlando for the FISPA conference next month it's only $222 roundtrip. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show You're wanting to go on a family vacation? I thought this was to be a WISP conference. Like, for WISP operators. I, personally, have no intention of spending that much for airline tickets, and going to play with Mickey Mouse while I'm at a conference. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.comwrote: Orlando! We have the 4 Disney parks, Universal Studios, Blue Men, Sea World, I-Drive area, Kissimmee area and a WHOLE lot more. I'm not aware of any zip lines though. :oP Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isn't about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off
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I'd be up for Vegas. I personally like conventions there...lots of fun and I'm usually doing too much business to bring the family anyway. Just my 2 cents. Cameron Central is better. I like not losing a day for travel. I thought St. Louis was suggested at one point, which seems like a decent idea. -Matt On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:49 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: I personally like central shows because less travel time and less time zone change for all America attending. As well, this even is targeted as a RURAL conference, and might make sense for it to be closer to more Rural market. I'd argue there are more Rural locations in the Western States. But Orlando is one of the lowest cost venue places for shows in a major market (after considering all extra costs) and Flights are always pretty cheap, even from the west coast. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Tickets to Orlando for me are dirt cheap. Always have been. From KY to Orlando for the FISPA conference next month it's only $222 roundtrip. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show You're wanting to go on a family vacation? I thought this was to be a WISP conference. Like, for WISP operators. I, personally, have no intention of spending that much for airline tickets, and going to play with Mickey Mouse while I'm at a conference. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.comwrote: Orlando! We have the 4 Disney parks, Universal Studios, Blue Men, Sea World, I-Drive area, Kissimmee area and a WHOLE lot more. I'm not aware of any zip lines though. :oP Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isn't about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended
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While I initially had the same concerns you had and was not even that personally impressed in our meeting with their promoters, I eventually decided it was the way to go for one reason, membership. Yes our trade needs a good show but I did the math, If we sent out 2000 invitations to the WISP-DIRECTORY list we might get about 3-400 people in our trade. Of those likely 200 would be our own members and likely we would add about 100 new members tops. With this other show we stand the chance at being exposed to 1500 attendees, forging this new alliance would help to cement our integrated interests and have them start recommending their area WISP's, that's great for our membership. Also we might get their interest in joining so potentially adding hundreds of new members to WISPA. Even if they are affiliate members that still adds up to more than we get at our own show PLUS it would be more inviting for the other 1800 wisps to have something other than just us there. It just seems like an easier sell to WISP 's who aren't in WISPA, it might push a lot of business to our members and we potentially could see a much greater membership increase than if we did our own. That versus the hazard of losing money when we would rather spend it on filings and true WISPA business, that's my thinking anyway. Also for those who have stated we have made up our minds, those people are just people stirring s^t, they speak from no fact whatsoever and just like to say the board just does what they want, it's crap, untrue. We've been very transparent and this debate is us taking that input and using it to weigh heavily in our decision. It's a huge decision, easy for members to say hey you put on your own show but just think about the work that would put on a volunteer board versus the idea of what I stated above. Most opinions I've read have been self serving ones, 'put it five miles from my house' kind of thing. We're trying to serve the entire country and those with the middle America approach are very valid for that reason. We'd really enjoy hearing these kind of ideas but if we sit here and argue where all day we'll never get to put it on and yet another WISPA initiative gets buried in minutia, as a board this is exactly what we are trying to stop. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Extremely well said. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 3:04 PM To: WISPA General List; WISPA Board Members List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show While I initially had the same concerns you had and was not even that personally impressed in our meeting with their promoters, I eventually decided it was the way to go for one reason, membership. Yes our trade needs a good show but I did the math, If we sent out 2000 invitations to the WISP-DIRECTORY list we might get about 3-400 people in our trade. Of those likely 200 would be our own members and likely we would add about 100 new members tops. With this other show we stand the chance at being exposed to 1500 attendees, forging this new alliance would help to cement our integrated interests and have them start recommending their area WISP's, that's great for our membership. Also we might get their interest in joining so potentially adding hundreds of new members to WISPA. Even if they are affiliate members that still adds up to more than we get at our own show PLUS it would be more inviting for the other 1800 wisps to have something other than just us there. It just seems like an easier sell to WISP 's who aren't in WISPA, it might push a lot of business to our members and we potentially could see a much greater membership increase than if we did our own. That versus the hazard of losing money when we would rather spend it on filings and true WISPA business, that's my thinking anyway. Also for those who have stated we have made up our minds, those people are just people stirring s^t, they speak from no fact whatsoever and just like to say the board just does what they want, it's crap, untrue. We've been very transparent and this debate is us taking that input and using it to weigh heavily in our decision. It's a huge decision, easy for members to say hey you put on your own show but just think about the work that would put on a volunteer board versus the idea of what I stated above. Most opinions I've read have been self serving ones, 'put it five miles from my house' kind of thing. We're trying to serve the entire country and those with the middle America approach are very valid for that reason. We'd really enjoy hearing these kind of ideas but if we sit here and argue where all day we'll never get to put it on and yet another WISPA initiative gets buried in minutia, as a board this is exactly what we are trying to stop. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 12:03 -0800, Forbes Mercy wrote: While I initially had the same concerns you had and was not even that personally impressed in our meeting with their promoters, I eventually decided it was the way to go for one reason, membership. So, here is the board (one member anyway) stating that you (not a committee) decided to go with them. Also for those who have stated we have made up our minds, those people are just people stirring s^t, they speak from no fact whatsoever and just like to say the board just does what they want, it's crap, untrue. Even YOU say that the board made this decision. Well, not the board, but you and Matt. The message posted to the committee said the same thing. Who is the those people... you are referring to? I have stated nothing more or less than fact. We've been very transparent and this debate is us taking that input and using it to weigh heavily in our decision. Which input are you referring to? There has been only one message (mine) posted to the committee list and I didn't say one way or the other beyond stating that IF we (WISPA) were to put on a show, it would have to be late in the year due to the timing of the messages and discussion (or lack of discussion, to be more precise). FWIW, it would appear that the board is not even in complete agreement that the path you and Matt chose is right, as Marlon has been posting things to the show committee list indicating that HE thinks the show should be a WISPA event, too. It's a huge decision, easy for members to say hey you put on your own show but just think about the work that would put on a volunteer board versus the idea of what I stated above. But isn't this a member focused organization? At least this should have been a committee decision. We did not even have opportunity to discuss it. We were simply told that you (Forbes) and Matt had made the decision. There was no input to consider. Most opinions I've read have been self serving ones, 'put it five miles from my house' kind of thing. We're trying to serve the entire country and those with the middle America approach are very valid for that reason. We'd really enjoy hearing these kind of ideas but if we sit here and argue where all day we'll never get to put it on and yet another WISPA initiative gets buried in minutia, as a board this is exactly what we are trying to stop. THEN SEND THE QUESTION TO A COMMITTEE! Isn't that what the committees are for? This isn't even a member's list that you are posting this to (me, either). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Seems like a logical position if the purpose of the show is to drive WISPA membership. Maybe the existing members want a show for another purpose. -Matt On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: While I initially had the same concerns you had and was not even that personally impressed in our meeting with their promoters, I eventually decided it was the way to go for one reason, membership. Yes our trade needs a good show but I did the math, If we sent out 2000 invitations to the WISP-DIRECTORY list we might get about 3-400 people in our trade. Of those likely 200 would be our own members and likely we would add about 100 new members tops. With this other show we stand the chance at being exposed to 1500 attendees, forging this new alliance would help to cement our integrated interests and have them start recommending their area WISP's, that's great for our membership. Also we might get their interest in joining so potentially adding hundreds of new members to WISPA. Even if they are affiliate members that still adds up to more than we get at our own show PLUS it would be more inviting for the other 1800 wisps to have something other than just us there. It just seems like an easier sell to WISP 's who aren't in WISPA, it might push a lot of business to our members and we potentially could see a much greater membership increase than if we did our own. That versus the hazard of losing money when we would rather spend it on filings and true WISPA business, that's my thinking anyway. Also for those who have stated we have made up our minds, those people are just people stirring s^t, they speak from no fact whatsoever and just like to say the board just does what they want, it's crap, untrue. We've been very transparent and this debate is us taking that input and using it to weigh heavily in our decision. It's a huge decision, easy for members to say hey you put on your own show but just think about the work that would put on a volunteer board versus the idea of what I stated above. Most opinions I've read have been self serving ones, 'put it five miles from my house' kind of thing. We're trying to serve the entire country and those with the middle America approach are very valid for that reason. We'd really enjoy hearing these kind of ideas but if we sit here and argue where all day we'll never get to put it on and yet another WISPA initiative gets buried in minutia, as a board this is exactly what we are trying to stop. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I have a slight bit of insider knowledge to this tradeshow concept. One of the things that really turned me away from his show is that he is suggesting a LARGE entrance fee and them keeping the profit. Granted, it may not be as large as some shows, but for our community the first impression I had was I don't think that you will get the draw that you desire at that price. Vendor booth packages at $5k-$50k, $300-$750 entrance fees, and for what? The main part about it was that I was told that they had to get the buy-in from WISPA. Without it they felt doomed. Now, if this show is going to generate $1M, I think that WISPA should get some type of rev-share out of it. Now, the numbers may have changed significantly. I don't know. But if I was on the committee, the first thing I would be thinking about is how does WISPA sign off on a show that they are trying to get 200 new members for, or approximately $50k in membership fees, where the entrance to the show is more expensive than a year's membership? FISPA puts on multiple shows/meetings a year. The prices are negligible. The Orlando March show is $159 for 2 days, and includes meals, drinks, and 1 hotel night stay. They hold 3-4 of them a year. They are a smaller version of a MUM if you have ever attended one. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 3:04 PM To: WISPA General List; WISPA Board Members List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show While I initially had the same concerns you had and was not even that personally impressed in our meeting with their promoters, I eventually decided it was the way to go for one reason, membership. Yes our trade needs a good show but I did the math, If we sent out 2000 invitations to the WISP-DIRECTORY list we might get about 3-400 people in our trade. Of those likely 200 would be our own members and likely we would add about 100 new members tops. With this other show we stand the chance at being exposed to 1500 attendees, forging this new alliance would help to cement our integrated interests and have them start recommending their area WISP's, that's great for our membership. Also we might get their interest in joining so potentially adding hundreds of new members to WISPA. Even if they are affiliate members that still adds up to more than we get at our own show PLUS it would be more inviting for the other 1800 wisps to have something other than just us there. It just seems like an easier sell to WISP 's who aren't in WISPA, it might push a lot of business to our members and we potentially could see a much greater membership increase than if we did our own. That versus the hazard of losing money when we would rather spend it on filings and true WISPA business, that's my thinking anyway. Also for those who have stated we have made up our minds, those people are just people stirring s^t, they speak from no fact whatsoever and just like to say the board just does what they want, it's crap, untrue. We've been very transparent and this debate is us taking that input and using it to weigh heavily in our decision. It's a huge decision, easy for members to say hey you put on your own show but just think about the work that would put on a volunteer board versus the idea of what I stated above. Most opinions I've read have been self serving ones, 'put it five miles from my house' kind of thing. We're trying to serve the entire country and those with the middle America approach are very valid for that reason. We'd really enjoy hearing these kind of ideas but if we sit here and argue where all day we'll never get to put it on and yet another WISPA initiative gets buried in minutia, as a board this is exactly what we are trying to stop. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isnt about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't
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And driving almost to the dam to find no where to eat and ending up at some steak house, but it was less expensive than the other place that's for sure. I don't care what it's called, but I'm with Marlon, I like the manufacturer neutrality gathering and yes I'd like to have it in Columbus, Ohio. -- Original Message -- From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 10:12:37 -0600 *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1
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Heck with it, vendors contact me if you want to showcase wares in a show for WISPs or DISPs. -- Original Message -- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:24:25 -0600 On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 21:16 -0600, Blake Bowers wrote: That sounds like a great idea, but I would like to think the WISP folks bathe more often than some of the people at the hamfest... Of course you all realize that the board has already decided to work with Ed Meeks group and that Ed Meeks group is going to decide the location of the show (I'd bet on Vegas). I don't want to quell discussion, but thought I'd point that out in case anyone was thinking there may be a way to influence the decision for where the show is held. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Columbus Ohio, yes. 25$ an hour, heck I got one for three for only $99 to your door. Course I imagine that is only to the door. -- Original Message -- From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:39:09 -0500 I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can
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Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do we want? Who should speak? Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show or one done by someone else. I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate settings that are not making any real effort at playing the big shot. I don't care about fancy hotels, convention centers, NFL cities or any of that. I want to see new product, learn from people better than me, and spend time with my peers. My fear with Ed's group is that they will try to put on a fancy schmancy show in which the vendors will have to pay so much for floor space that they'll demand access to the podiums and we'll end up with a teaching track that's always slanted in the direction of products rather than the overall nature of our business. Having said all of that. My plate is already as full as I want it. I'll not be putting my time where my mouth is. grin I'm here to help with thoughts and opinions via email but I'll help out as I can which ever way the rest of the committee wishes to see the show move. Thanks for taking the lead on this! marlon - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky
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Zip lines sound fun! On 2/5/10, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isn’t about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one
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Bob, personally, I dont gamble and I believe gambling is not good stewardship of money but I do believe everyone has a right to spend their money the way they see fit. Some may call it a waste but I imagine there are plenty of items and activites that you I probably do that could fall into the same category. Like everything in life, it should be done in moderation. For Obama, he just wants more control. -RickG On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yeah. Imagine having someone think that wasting ones money to gambling being a bad thing and then actually saying so. As my grandmother may of said if she ever said it. Why, I never! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Ya, and they can use the business now that Obama spoke out against them! On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Why would you not have it at Vegas, like most other conventions? Most days we can fly there and back for under $100 total round-trip. Rooms are cheap, and there is plenty of other stuff to do. Oh, and free booze. :-) On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ]On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show
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H... Mikes beer or Josh's beer... Depends on the beer, Mike. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isnt about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
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Grainbelt from Minnesota, marked STRONG on the top. Commonly referred to in the Midwest as liquid cornflakes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show H... Mikes beer or Josh's beer... Depends on the beer, Mike. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isnt about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury
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25 bucks an hour? Man, I need to rethink things. I don't think I'm charging enough. Fred Garvin- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Columbus Ohio, yes. 25$ an hour, heck I got one for three for only $99 to your door. Course I imagine that is only to the door. -- Original Message -- From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:39:09 -0500 I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... ___ __ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday
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Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do we want? Who should speak? Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show or one done by someone else. I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate settings that are not making any real effort at playing the big shot. I don't care about fancy hotels, convention centers, NFL cities or any of that. I want to see new product, learn from people better than me, and spend time with my peers. My fear with Ed's group is that they will try to put on a fancy schmancy show in which the vendors will have to pay so much for floor space that they'll demand access to the podiums and we'll end up with a teaching track that's always slanted in the direction of products rather than the overall nature of our business. Having said all of that. My plate is already as full as I want it. I'll not be putting my time where my mouth is. grin I'm here to help with thoughts and opinions via email but I'll help out as I can which ever way the rest of the committee wishes to see the show move. Thanks for taking the lead on this! marlon - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility
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Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do we want? Who should speak? Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show or one done by someone else. I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate settings that are not making any real effort at playing the big shot. I don't care about fancy hotels, convention centers, NFL cities or any of that. I want to see new product, learn from people better than me, and spend time with my peers. My fear with Ed's group is that they will try to put on a fancy schmancy show in which the vendors will have to pay so much for floor space that they'll demand access to the podiums and we'll end up with a teaching track that's always slanted in the direction of products rather than the overall nature of our business. Having said all of that. My plate is already as full as I want it. I'll not be putting my time where my mouth is. grin I'm here to help with thoughts and opinions via email but I'll help out as I can which ever way the rest of the committee
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I think that's one thing most of us could agree on seeing as how wisp operators should enjoy heights. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Zip lines sound fun! On 2/5/10, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isnt about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent
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Oh, I totally agree. I'm not a gambler either, I may as well just walk in, hand the first person I see 500 bucks and walk out. The experience would be pretty much the same for me. But what Obama said was. You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage, Obama said. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices. I'm no longer a fan of Obama but I'll say that I see no malice in that statement. That's basic economic advice that my grandfather would have told me years ago if I would have been listening or what my wife tells me every day, again, if I were to be listening. (Long pause while you all sit and nod your heads reluctantly to the wife statement. We will never admit that they are right!) Vegas is just an example that everyone understands and it's true. If he would have said, What we need to do is go put all of our money is risky ventures, cross our fingers and wait for the big payoff, like we do in Vegas they would have applauded him.. Wait, that's what got the globe in such a mess in the first place. Maybe I should do what the wife says and NOT buy that 512 Jumbo-Tron for the basement from Amazon. I was really wanting that too. *sad* My favorite thing, however, is when a load of radio crap shows up and she says What do you need more of that antenna stuff for? with that universal female look of disapproval on her face Then an hour later go on about how we need to make more money. A bit of a disconnect. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Bob, personally, I dont gamble and I believe gambling is not good stewardship of money but I do believe everyone has a right to spend their money the way they see fit. Some may call it a waste but I imagine there are plenty of items and activites that you I probably do that could fall into the same category. Like everything in life, it should be done in moderation. For Obama, he just wants more control. -RickG On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yeah. Imagine having someone think that wasting ones money to gambling being a bad thing and then actually saying so. As my grandmother may of said if she ever said it. Why, I never! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Ya, and they can use the business now that Obama spoke out against them! On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Why would you not have it at Vegas, like most other conventions? Most days we can fly there and back for under $100 total round-trip. Rooms are cheap, and there is plenty of other stuff to do. Oh, and free booze. :-) On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ]On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one
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Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do we want? Who should speak? Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show or one done by someone else. I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate settings that are not making any real effort at playing the big shot. I don't care about fancy hotels, convention centers, NFL cities or any of that. I want to see new product, learn from people better than me, and spend time with my peers. My fear with Ed's group is that they will try to put on a fancy schmancy show in which the vendors will have to pay so much for floor space that they'll demand access to the podiums and we'll end up with a teaching track that's always slanted in the direction of products rather
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But what Obama said was. You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage, Obama said. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices. This is the same guy pouring out stimulus money from the same entity that is $13 trillion dollars in debt? Sounds like Do as I say not as I do. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Oh, I totally agree. I'm not a gambler either, I may as well just walk in, hand the first person I see 500 bucks and walk out. The experience would be pretty much the same for me. But what Obama said was. You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage, Obama said. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices. I'm no longer a fan of Obama but I'll say that I see no malice in that statement. That's basic economic advice that my grandfather would have told me years ago if I would have been listening or what my wife tells me every day, again, if I were to be listening. (Long pause while you all sit and nod your heads reluctantly to the wife statement. We will never admit that they are right!) Vegas is just an example that everyone understands and it's true. If he would have said, What we need to do is go put all of our money is risky ventures, cross our fingers and wait for the big payoff, like we do in Vegas they would have applauded him.. Wait, that's what got the globe in such a mess in the first place. Maybe I should do what the wife says and NOT buy that 512 Jumbo-Tron for the basement from Amazon. I was really wanting that too. *sad* My favorite thing, however, is when a load of radio crap shows up and she says What do you need more of that antenna stuff for? with that universal female look of disapproval on her face Then an hour later go on about how we need to make more money. A bit of a disconnect. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Bob, personally, I dont gamble and I believe gambling is not good stewardship of money but I do believe everyone has a right to spend their money the way they see fit. Some may call it a waste but I imagine there are plenty of items and activites that you I probably do that could fall into the same category. Like everything in life, it should be done in moderation. For Obama, he just wants more control. -RickG On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yeah. Imagine having someone think that wasting ones money to gambling being a bad thing and then actually saying so. As my grandmother may of said if she ever said it. Why, I never! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Ya, and they can use the business now that Obama spoke out against them! On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Why would you not have it at Vegas, like most other conventions? Most days we can fly there and back for under $100 total round-trip. Rooms are cheap, and there is plenty of other stuff to do. Oh, and free booze. :-) On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea
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I can barely see down the street because of snow and in the next 24 hours we're on a storm alert. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do we want? Who should speak? Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show or one done by someone else. I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate
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Hahahahaha! Marked STRONG on the top.. I love it! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Grainbelt from Minnesota, marked STRONG on the top. Commonly referred to in the Midwest as liquid cornflakes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show H... Mikes beer or Josh's beer... Depends on the beer, Mike. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Phoenix. Dry and warm. *OR* I live 5 minutes up the hill from a world class casino and hotel complex. http://www.meskwaki.com/ I could host, and you could take turns climbing my towers, and riding the zip lines here at Gilly Hollow. One of them is a terror at 750 feet. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isnt about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton
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Yes, and notice how Josh suddenly clammed up once it was settled to all crash at his house and drink his beer, break his Playstation3 and embarrass him in front of all his neighbors at 3 in the morning.. I see how things are, Josh. After all we've been through together you have to turn into this. Bob -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do we want? Who should speak? Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show or one done by someone else. I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites
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But it's the statement, not the man I agree with. Anyone could have said it and the logic still holds true. Besides, they took issue with the Vegas mention the irony of it all. I thought stimulus money was for the 25 buck prostitutes in Vegas. I may be wrong. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show But what Obama said was. You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage, Obama said. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices. This is the same guy pouring out stimulus money from the same entity that is $13 trillion dollars in debt? Sounds like Do as I say not as I do. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Oh, I totally agree. I'm not a gambler either, I may as well just walk in, hand the first person I see 500 bucks and walk out. The experience would be pretty much the same for me. But what Obama said was. You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage, Obama said. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices. I'm no longer a fan of Obama but I'll say that I see no malice in that statement. That's basic economic advice that my grandfather would have told me years ago if I would have been listening or what my wife tells me every day, again, if I were to be listening. (Long pause while you all sit and nod your heads reluctantly to the wife statement. We will never admit that they are right!) Vegas is just an example that everyone understands and it's true. If he would have said, What we need to do is go put all of our money is risky ventures, cross our fingers and wait for the big payoff, like we do in Vegas they would have applauded him.. Wait, that's what got the globe in such a mess in the first place. Maybe I should do what the wife says and NOT buy that 512 Jumbo-Tron for the basement from Amazon. I was really wanting that too. *sad* My favorite thing, however, is when a load of radio crap shows up and she says What do you need more of that antenna stuff for? with that universal female look of disapproval on her face Then an hour later go on about how we need to make more money. A bit of a disconnect. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Bob, personally, I dont gamble and I believe gambling is not good stewardship of money but I do believe everyone has a right to spend their money the way they see fit. Some may call it a waste but I imagine there are plenty of items and activites that you I probably do that could fall into the same category. Like everything in life, it should be done in moderation. For Obama, he just wants more control. -RickG On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yeah. Imagine having someone think that wasting ones money to gambling being a bad thing and then actually saying so. As my grandmother may of said if she ever said it. Why, I never! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Ya, and they can use the business now that Obama spoke out against them! On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Why would you not have it at Vegas, like most other conventions? Most days we can fly there and back for under $100 total round-trip. Rooms are cheap, and there is plenty of other stuff to do. Oh, and free booze. :-) On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today
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I have a fridge full of beer you are welcome to. I'll bring the whole fridge if I can go somewhere the weather isn't disgusting. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yes, and notice how Josh suddenly clammed up once it was settled to all crash at his house and drink his beer, break his Playstation3 and embarrass him in front of all his neighbors at 3 in the morning.. I see how things are, Josh. After all we've been through together you have to turn into this. Bob -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps
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How come we don't hear any one suggesting a show in Denver or Salt Lake? Pretty much the center of the country with MAJOR airline hubs direct to all points. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have a fridge full of beer you are welcome to. I'll bring the whole fridge if I can go somewhere the weather isn't disgusting. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yes, and notice how Josh suddenly clammed up once it was settled to all crash at his house and drink his beer, break his Playstation3 and embarrass him in front of all his neighbors at 3 in the morning.. I see how things are, Josh. After all we've been through together you have to turn into this. Bob -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because
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Josh - just use the van - if its here - its cold enough _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I have a fridge full of beer you are welcome to. I'll bring the whole fridge if I can go somewhere the weather isn't disgusting. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yes, and notice how Josh suddenly clammed up once it was settled to all crash at his house and drink his beer, break his Playstation3 and embarrass him in front of all his neighbors at 3 in the morning.. I see how things are, Josh. After all we've been through together you have to turn into this. Bob -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very
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I think the REAL center is somewhere in Kansas. Having said that, I like Denver and would definitely go there for a show. There are plenty of other things to do there too for family members or thrill seekers alike. Yep, cabin fever is beginning to set in here in Central Iowa. I have been attempting to quantify snow attenuation on microwave signals. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:18 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show How come we don't hear any one suggesting a show in Denver or Salt Lake? Pretty much the center of the country with MAJOR airline hubs direct to all points. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have a fridge full of beer you are welcome to. I'll bring the whole fridge if I can go somewhere the weather isn't disgusting. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yes, and notice how Josh suddenly clammed up once it was settled to all crash at his house and drink his beer, break his Playstation3 and embarrass him in front of all his neighbors at 3 in the morning.. I see how things are, Josh. After all we've been through together you have to turn into this. Bob -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http
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And that figures because the weather was nice all week but N!!! I got stuck on service calls and finally have the time to install a backhaul today... Sucks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:32 AM To: spie...@avolve.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I can barely see down the street because of snow and in the next 24 hours we're on a storm alert. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show
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I'm down with Denver, since it's about an hour away. But really, Vegas is usually the cheapest to fly into, and cheap to stay at; with plenty to do with a short walk from your hotel. I've been in every casino in Vegas and never taken a cab or had to drive. Denver... ehh, not so much. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: How come we don't hear any one suggesting a show in Denver or Salt Lake? Pretty much the center of the country with MAJOR airline hubs direct to all points. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have a fridge full of beer you are welcome to. I'll bring the whole fridge if I can go somewhere the weather isn't disgusting. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yes, and notice how Josh suddenly clammed up once it was settled to all crash at his house and drink his beer, break his Playstation3 and embarrass him in front of all his neighbors at 3 in the morning.. I see how things are, Josh. After all we've been through together you have to turn into this. Bob -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding
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I see you're down on 35 so you're feeling the same weather we are. I have 3 customers that went down all in the same area around a 900 AP. Spoke with one of them and at least that one has power (and a generator!) I'm guessing the snow weighed down the antennas enough. The AP definitely isn't seeing any interference - it's a super low noise floor of -86. Changed channels around the band. Wonder if those yagi radome's from WB would prevent this. Or those hideous parabolic grids. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: And that figures because the weather was nice all week but N!!! I got stuck on service calls and finally have the time to install a backhaul today... Sucks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:32 AM To: spie...@avolve.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I can barely see down the street because of snow and in the next 24 hours we're on a storm alert. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual
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I agree with you on peoples financial priorites but its their business as long as they dont take assistance from taxpayers. As for malice - people in Vegas and Nevada think so. -RickG On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Oh, I totally agree. I'm not a gambler either, I may as well just walk in, hand the first person I see 500 bucks and walk out. The experience would be pretty much the same for me. But what Obama said was. You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage, Obama said. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college. You prioritize. You make tough choices. I'm no longer a fan of Obama but I'll say that I see no malice in that statement. That's basic economic advice that my grandfather would have told me years ago if I would have been listening or what my wife tells me every day, again, if I were to be listening. (Long pause while you all sit and nod your heads reluctantly to the wife statement. We will never admit that they are right!) Vegas is just an example that everyone understands and it's true. If he would have said, What we need to do is go put all of our money is risky ventures, cross our fingers and wait for the big payoff, like we do in Vegas they would have applauded him.. Wait, that's what got the globe in such a mess in the first place. Maybe I should do what the wife says and NOT buy that 512 Jumbo-Tron for the basement from Amazon. I was really wanting that too. *sad* My favorite thing, however, is when a load of radio crap shows up and she says What do you need more of that antenna stuff for? with that universal female look of disapproval on her face Then an hour later go on about how we need to make more money. A bit of a disconnect. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Bob, personally, I dont gamble and I believe gambling is not good stewardship of money but I do believe everyone has a right to spend their money the way they see fit. Some may call it a waste but I imagine there are plenty of items and activites that you I probably do that could fall into the same category. Like everything in life, it should be done in moderation. For Obama, he just wants more control. -RickG On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yeah. Imagine having someone think that wasting ones money to gambling being a bad thing and then actually saying so. As my grandmother may of said if she ever said it. Why, I never! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Ya, and they can use the business now that Obama spoke out against them! On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Why would you not have it at Vegas, like most other conventions? Most days we can fly there and back for under $100 total round-trip. Rooms are cheap, and there is plenty of other stuff to do. Oh, and free booze. :-) On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun
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I had one call only. Couldn't see the radio on my end, had the AP close to it do a site survey, couldn't even see the signal but saw the others in the area. On a lark, turned up the power of the backhaul feeding it then turned off the wireless on it for 5 minutes hoping the watchdog would do something on the dead side and sure enough, turned the wireless back on and there she was. It must have been able to communicate somehow with the backhaul but I'm at a loss how I couldn't see it yet it could see me. Strange Left the power up though. Maybe the signal was reflecting off all the snow and confused everything, could have even been the backhaul that had the issue... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I see you're down on 35 so you're feeling the same weather we are. I have 3 customers that went down all in the same area around a 900 AP. Spoke with one of them and at least that one has power (and a generator!) I'm guessing the snow weighed down the antennas enough. The AP definitely isn't seeing any interference - it's a super low noise floor of -86. Changed channels around the band. Wonder if those yagi radome's from WB would prevent this. Or those hideous parabolic grids. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: And that figures because the weather was nice all week but N!!! I got stuck on service calls and finally have the time to install a backhaul today... Sucks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:32 AM To: spie...@avolve.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I can barely see down the street because of snow and in the next 24 hours we're on a storm alert. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: Hey now, the weather is nice today. Granted Columbus isn't Kettering, but hey, it's got more food. -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:44:30 -0500 Ohio weather sucks. Zipline would be fun! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Me thinks Stuart likes Columbus. OSU grad, Stuart? I like the town too. A lot less than a cow town as it used to be. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Have I mentioned Columbus Ohio ? Downtown has everything, German Village, Italian Village, Victorian Village and Campus. Oh food, wine and song as well. -- Original Message -- From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:10:24 -0500 I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby
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Good idea ! Columbus, Ohio has plenty of conference/convention space and places are hungry for events, plus everything is within walking distance. ;) -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:06:14 -0500 Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented. The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has to DO a show. If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes things. I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for here right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: li...@manageisp.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Marlon, The tentative plan with Ed's group is that we will put our efforts into his show, and that we will not be doing our own show as long as both sides are happy with the performance
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Ya, and they can use the business now that Obama spoke out against them! On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Why would you not have it at Vegas, like most other conventions? Most days we can fly there and back for under $100 total round-trip. Rooms are cheap, and there is plenty of other stuff to do. Oh, and free booze. :-) On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize
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10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our
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*shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What
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Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our
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On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 21:16 -0600, Blake Bowers wrote: That sounds like a great idea, but I would like to think the WISP folks bathe more often than some of the people at the hamfest... Of course you all realize that the board has already decided to work with Ed Meeks group and that Ed Meeks group is going to decide the location of the show (I'd bet on Vegas). I don't want to quell discussion, but thought I'd point that out in case anyone was thinking there may be a way to influence the decision for where the show is held. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could
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Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do we want? Who should speak? Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show or one done by someone else. I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate settings that are not making any real effort at playing the big shot. I don't care about fancy hotels, convention centers, NFL cities or any of that. I want to see new product, learn from people better than me, and spend time with my peers. My fear with Ed's group is that they will try to put on a fancy schmancy show in which the vendors will have to pay so much for floor space that they'll demand access to the podiums and we'll end up with a teaching track that's always slanted in the direction of products rather than the overall nature of our business. Having said all of that. My plate is already as full as I want it. I'll not be putting my time where my mouth is. grin I'm here to help with thoughts and opinions via email but I'll help out as I can which ever way the rest of the committee wishes to see the show move. Thanks for taking the lead on this! marlon - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote
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I agree here with Marlon that I am afraid that it will turn into an ISPCon event. I learn and enjoy a show like MUM or AFMUG much better than ISPCon. As both a Vendor and an ISP member, shows like ISPCon don't have the intimacy like a smaller show does. I could care less if it is in Vegas, or some other place, so long as it provides: 1) A chance to meet with other companies in our industry, large, medium, or small. 2) A chance to meet with other vendors and work with their special niche in the market, and have those vendors be WISPA member vendors, not just any vendor. 3) A highspeed internet connection to make sure I can stay in touch with home to make sure business continues. 4) Close to the airport, reasonable accommodations, and good food is a plus. 5) Be reasonable in price. $250 is WAY too much for me to attend as an ISP to a tradeshow. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do we want? Who should speak? Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show or one done by someone else. I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate settings that are not making any real effort at playing the big shot. I don't care about fancy hotels, convention centers, NFL cities or any of that. I want to see new product, learn from people better than me, and spend time with my peers. My fear with Ed's group is that they will try to put on a fancy schmancy show in which the vendors will have to pay so much for floor space that they'll demand access to the podiums and we'll end up with a teaching track that's always slanted in the direction of products rather than the overall nature of our business. Having said all of that. My plate is already as full as I want it. I'll not be putting my time where my mouth is. grin I'm here to help with thoughts and opinions via email but I'll help out as I can which ever way the rest of the committee wishes to see the show move. Thanks for taking the lead on this! marlon - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost
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I can imagine. Back in the heyday I would have never tried to go without reservations. I took a 21 foot enclosed trailer last year - made about 3k over and above my costs, selling stuff like trays of assorted NSO Motorola parts, thousands of dollars at NSO pricing, for 5 bucks. Just yesterday we set another trailer at the end with 55 gallon drums, and got around to cleaning out that trailer. 3 drums of electronics that is going to the recycler, and 1 drum of straight trash. Now we do one of 3 things. 1. Reload trailer for Dayton again. 2. Put out ads for a gigantic two way radio flea market 3. Pile more stuff to the recycler. I am leaning towards this one. Time to shut the retail operation down for good and just worry about towers. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL ://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I can fly to Vegas from either Cedar Rapids or Des Moines for $49.00 on Allegiant. Orlando, Phoenix, LA are also direct and cheap. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 21:16 -0600, Blake Bowers wrote: That sounds like a great idea, but I would like to think the WISP folks bathe more often than some of the people at the hamfest... Of course you all realize that the board has already decided to work with Ed Meeks group and that Ed Meeks group is going to decide the location of the show (I'd bet on Vegas). I don't want to quell discussion, but thought I'd point that out in case anyone was thinking there may be a way to influence the decision for where the show is held. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Yeah. Imagine having someone think that wasting ones money to gambling being a bad thing and then actually saying so. As my grandmother may of said if she ever said it. Why, I never! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Ya, and they can use the business now that Obama spoke out against them! On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Why would you not have it at Vegas, like most other conventions? Most days we can fly there and back for under $100 total round-trip. Rooms are cheap, and there is plenty of other stuff to do. Oh, and free booze. :-) On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those
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If you want to be treated like cattle, have a show in Vegas. You're just the latest. Want to be appreciated? Go to a less popular and less flashy venue that has shows less frequently. (NOT BRANSON!) You will be king! Unless, of course you're female then being King would be a bit scary for you and those around you. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:13 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
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First my car wouldn't start then I find that my cat was ran over and now this! Thanks a lot, Butch! Jesus... Unbelievable :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 21:16 -0600, Blake Bowers wrote: That sounds like a great idea, but I would like to think the WISP folks bathe more often than some of the people at the hamfest... Of course you all realize that the board has already decided to work with Ed Meeks group and that Ed Meeks group is going to decide the location of the show (I'd bet on Vegas). I don't want to quell discussion, but thought I'd point that out in case anyone was thinking there may be a way to influence the decision for where the show is held. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isnt about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could
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Now ya tell me! Sorry, just saw this after posting 78 show emails to the public list :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: wispas...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Hi Matt, I'm moving this back to the show list. I still request that wispashow emails reply to that list not the public one :-). Anyway, I understand what you are saying. As our local Chamber of Commerce president here's my latest project: http://www.odessachamber.net/bikeweek Almost all I'm doing is managing the folks doing the leg work. Herding the cats as it were... It's certainly quite a bit of work. We're expecting 200 to 400 people to show up during the week. On the weekend the 40th annual Desert 100 race will bring in roughly 6000 people. http://www.stumpjumpers.org The race takes nearly an entire year to pull off. There is a race chairman and a vice. This year's vice becomes next year's chairman. Much of the physical work involves marking the track, a task that has to be done all over every year because the ground is normally a production cattle ranch. I certainly agree with you that the lack of a very dedicated team of 2 or 3 people would certainly hurt our chances of success. If we can't get the help, have no one ready to step up and take ownership of the event etc. we need to find a different way. So far, however, this hasn't been hashed out on the show list. Perhaps we do have the people ready to dedicate themselves to the effort. Also, one thing that it seems to me that needs to be done is setting some kind of show expectation and outline. How many people are expected, how many vendors, do we want more training or display? How many speakers do we want? Who should speak? Much of the planning we'd have to do will be the same for our own show or one done by someone else. I've been to the big shows (WCA, ISPCon, and others). I've been to car shows and gun shows. By far, my favorites are smaller more intimate settings that are not making any real effort at playing the big shot. I don't care about fancy hotels, convention centers, NFL cities or any of that. I want to see new product, learn from people better than me, and spend time with my peers. My fear with Ed's group is that they will try to put on a fancy schmancy show in which the vendors will have to pay so much for floor space that they'll demand access to the podiums and we'll end up with a teaching track that's always slanted in the direction of products rather than the overall nature of our business. Having said all of that. My plate is already as full as I want it. I'll not be putting my time where my mouth is. grin I'm here to help with thoughts and opinions via email but I'll help out as I can which ever way the rest of the committee wishes to see the show move. Thanks for taking the lead on this! marlon - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get
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well Put Bob. _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Robert West wrote: I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isn’t about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message
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Besides, I don't get along with Wayne Newton and he knows why. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show well Put Bob. _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Robert West wrote: I'm the same. If Vegas, I'd pass. Having shows in Vegas isnt about the show, it's about Vegas. The show is just the vehicle to use to get there. A show in Vegas has become a cliché. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I was just in Vegas for the Ubiquity meeting If you are planning to take your family anywhere - VEGAS is not the place - IMHO When you get off the plane and exit the airport you are handed pamphlets for prostitutes to come to your hotel room from $25/ hr Having 3 daughters and 1 son ... I can tell you - this is hardly the place I would like to take my family on vacation. Disney sounds better ;-) Of course this is all business - - going out to Columbus, Philadelphia, Indy, Chicago, Denver - yeah - much nicer... _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: Next time, drive up to Mesquite (1.25 hours) or St. George - Great rooms / prices you can feel good about taking the family to. :) Randy On 2/4/2010 9:12 AM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: *shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowersbbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Websterbwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might
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All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented. The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has to DO a show. If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes things. I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for here right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: li...@manageisp.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Marlon, The tentative plan with Ed's group is that we will put our efforts into his show, and that we will not be doing our own show as long as both sides are happy with the performance of his show. Also, since we are not putting any money into it, there is no profit sharing. They put in the money and the manpower, they get the profit, if there is any. Our goal in this is to build up our membership numbers and leverage their promotional and marketing efforts to get the word out about WISPA and get people to the show so we can turn them into members. This is going to end up similar to our agreement with ISPCON, but we will have more say in the structure and educational parts of the show. Also, it should cost us little or no money. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer writes: Hi Matt, In the end I still think we should have our own show. How clear will it be made to Ed's group that we'll still be working to our own show at a later date? Also, how are we going to insure that we don't end up with the same problem we did with Charles for his first show? Where there is no profit to split? marlon - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: wispas...@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:59 PM Subject: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show After our visits with the people interested in the trade show and evaluating our options, Forbes and I are making the decision to work with Ed Meek's group to help promote their wireless show, with WISPA as one of the anchors of the show. The details are yet to be worked out. What has been discussed so far is that WISPA will be featured prominently
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Matt, the only question I have would be the cost to attendees, vendors and WISPs? I can attend computer shows all the time for $599 to $899 for a 3 day show. I never do. However, a $75 to $200 show I've attended several. When we were starting talking about the show on the promotions list it was a lot smaller and easy to price low. What is this new groups price structure? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented. The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has to DO a show. If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes things. I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for here right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: li...@manageisp.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Marlon, The tentative plan with Ed's group is that we will put our efforts into his show, and that we will not be doing our own show as long as both sides are happy with the performance of his show. Also, since we are not putting any money into it, there is no profit sharing. They put in the money and the manpower, they get the profit, if there is any. Our goal in this is to build up our membership numbers and leverage their promotional and marketing efforts to get the word out about WISPA and get people to the show so we can turn them into members. This is going to end up similar to our agreement with ISPCON, but we will have more say in the structure and educational parts of the show. Also, it should cost us little or no money. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer writes: Hi Matt, In the end I still think we should have our own show. How clear will it be made to Ed's group that we'll still be working to our own show at a later date? Also, how are we going to insure that we
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Hi Steve, One of the conditions of WISPA supporting this show will be reduced costs for attendees. The promoters want as many attendees as possible and I told them that $250 is about the upper limit of what most WISPs will pay to come to a show like this. I'd like to see the non-WISPA 3 day pass under $300 range, and the WISPA member 3day pass under $200. We will be working on the details this month. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, the only question I have would be the cost to attendees, vendors and WISPs? I can attend computer shows all the time for $599 to $899 for a 3 day show. I never do. However, a $75 to $200 show I've attended several. When we were starting talking about the show on the promotions list it was a lot smaller and easy to price low. What is this new groups price structure? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented. The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has to DO a show. If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes things. I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for here right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: li...@manageisp.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Marlon, The tentative plan with Ed's group is that we will put our efforts into his show, and that we will not be doing our own show as long as both sides are happy with the performance of his show. Also, since we are not putting any money into it, there is no profit sharing. They put in the money and the manpower, they get the profit, if there is any. Our goal in this is to build up our membership numbers and leverage their promotional and marketing efforts to get the word out about
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Matt, Those look like good prices. Keep up the good work. Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Hi Steve, One of the conditions of WISPA supporting this show will be reduced costs for attendees. The promoters want as many attendees as possible and I told them that $250 is about the upper limit of what most WISPs will pay to come to a show like this. I'd like to see the non-WISPA 3 day pass under $300 range, and the WISPA member 3day pass under $200. We will be working on the details this month. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, the only question I have would be the cost to attendees, vendors and WISPs? I can attend computer shows all the time for $599 to $899 for a 3 day show. I never do. However, a $75 to $200 show I've attended several. When we were starting talking about the show on the promotions list it was a lot smaller and easy to price low. What is this new groups price structure? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented. The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has to DO a show. If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes things. I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for here right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: li...@manageisp.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Marlon, The tentative plan with Ed's group is that we will put our efforts into his show, and that we will not be doing our own show as long as both sides are happy with the performance of his show. Also, since we are not putting any money into it, there is no profit sharing. They put in the money and the manpower, they get the profit, if there is any. Our goal
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Hi Martha, There will be quite a bit for the Show Committee to work on. Two things I know will be important right off the bat will be coming up with the educational tracks about WISPs and WISP technology, lining up speakers and organizing the WISPA Awards/Reception.There will be plenty to do! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Martha Huizenga wrote: Matt, I'll be interested to see 1) how the show develops, and 2) the pricing. I would also like to see the WISPA Show committee used to help shape this show to something our members would like to attend. We're here, we just need to be informed of what we should be doing. Martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC http://www.dcaccess.net 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Washington-DC/DC-Access-LLC/64096486706?ref=tsor follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/dcaccess /* Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Hi Steve, One of the conditions of WISPA supporting this show will be reduced costs for attendees. The promoters want as many attendees as possible and I told them that $250 is about the upper limit of what most WISPs will pay to come to a show like this. I'd like to see the non-WISPA 3 day pass under $300 range, and the WISPA member 3day pass under $200. We will be working on the details this month. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, the only question I have would be the cost to attendees, vendors and WISPs? I can attend computer shows all the time for $599 to $899 for a 3 day show. I never do. However, a $75 to $200 show I've attended several. When we were starting talking about the show on the promotions list it was a lot smaller and easy to price low. What is this new groups price structure? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented
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Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented. The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has to DO a show. If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes things. I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for here right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: li...@manageisp.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Marlon, The tentative plan with Ed's group is that we will put our efforts into his show, and that we will not be doing our own show as long as both sides are happy with the performance of his show. Also, since we are not putting any money into it, there is no profit sharing. They put in the money and the manpower, they get the profit, if there is any. Our goal in this is to build up our membership numbers and leverage their promotional and marketing efforts to get the word out about WISPA and get people to the show so
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I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented. The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has to DO a show. If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes things. I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for here right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: li...@manageisp.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Marlon, The tentative plan with Ed's group is that we will put our efforts into his show, and that we will not be doing our own show as long as both sides are happy with the performance of his show. Also, since we are not putting any money into it, there is no profit sharing. They put in the money and the manpower, they get the profit, if there is any. Our goal in this is to build
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I like Ham Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City. Pulled pork is my favorite! :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented. The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has to DO a show. If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes things. I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for here right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: li...@manageisp.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Marlon, The tentative plan with Ed's group
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I'm in toronto freezing my ass off having a pulled pork sammich and a microbrew. ;-) and yes, let's do a wispacontacular. On 2/3/10, lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I like Ham Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City. Pulled pork is my favorite! :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented. The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has to DO a show. If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes things. I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for here right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: li
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Okay, I just happen to have stars in my eyes over the word Wispacontacular. I won't be able to sleep tonight dreaming of all the things that would be at a Wispacontacular. Will there be Motorola Canopy wielding Ninja Monkeys? Ah It will be magical! Wispacontacular Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:38 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm in toronto freezing my ass off having a pulled pork sammich and a microbrew. ;-) and yes, let's do a wispacontacular. On 2/3/10, lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I like Ham Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City. Pulled pork is my favorite! :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date
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Quick - register wispacontacular.com!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Okay, I just happen to have stars in my eyes over the word Wispacontacular. I won't be able to sleep tonight dreaming of all the things that would be at a Wispacontacular. Will there be Motorola Canopy wielding Ninja Monkeys? Ah It will be magical! Wispacontacular Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:38 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm in toronto freezing my ass off having a pulled pork sammich and a microbrew. ;-) and yes, let's do a wispacontacular. On 2/3/10, lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I like Ham Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City. Pulled pork is my favorite! :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt
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I wish it could be during Pizza but there isn't such a thing outside of my imagination. But seriously, I'd like to see it to where we could load up and go over to the HamVention as well. A lot of us have people we talk to daily on the Ham lists and I've seen many WISP operator vehicles in the parking lot. It's a perfect fit for us tower guys, we just don't power things with potatoes and banana peels or write 200 page papers on the correct way for long term RTV sealant storage. Josh, don't you guys provide the internet over at that HamVention? I thought I saw that someplace.. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented. The members want a show. The vendors want a show
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Damn! It's taken. But I can pay 600 bucks if I want it! Joke... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Quick - register wispacontacular.com!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Okay, I just happen to have stars in my eyes over the word Wispacontacular. I won't be able to sleep tonight dreaming of all the things that would be at a Wispacontacular. Will there be Motorola Canopy wielding Ninja Monkeys? Ah It will be magical! Wispacontacular Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:38 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm in toronto freezing my ass off having a pulled pork sammich and a microbrew. ;-) and yes, let's do a wispacontacular. On 2/3/10, lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I like Ham Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City. Pulled pork is my favorite! :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All
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We do the Dayton Expo Center and Dayton Convention Center - not Hara Arena. I'm not brave enough to install in that area. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I wish it could be during Pizza but there isn't such a thing outside of my imagination. But seriously, I'd like to see it to where we could load up and go over to the HamVention as well. A lot of us have people we talk to daily on the Ham lists and I've seen many WISP operator vehicles in the parking lot. It's a perfect fit for us tower guys, we just don't power things with potatoes and banana peels or write 200 page papers on the correct way for long term RTV sealant storage. Josh, don't you guys provide the internet over at that HamVention? I thought I saw that someplace.. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our
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Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented. The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has to DO a show. If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes things. I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for here right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: li
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I agree. But things can be overcome. As far as lodging, would depend on how many WISPS would be attending. Wouldn't have to be in Dayton, could be Cincinnati or Columbus, both an hour or less away but still doable. Airfare into Dayton is usually less than the larger cities nearby but would depend on where one was coming from. There is also a convention center outside of Wilmington, Ohio. The Roberts Convention center. Middle of Columbus, Dayton, Cincinnati. Hotel and convention center. They'll pick up from the airports. But not stuck on the Dayton event, just mentioned it as an example since I try to attend and have been impressed by the size of it. BIG! Didn't get to go last year. Man, to have a WISP show AND the Hamvention.. that would truly be worthy of the word.. Wispacontacular. But anyhow, just points to think on. That's one vote for Wispacontacular. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010
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Just had to QTY ITEMPRICE 1 .COM Domain Name Registration - 1 Year$10.87 WISPACONTACULAR.COM It's now for sale for 5 million dollars -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Quick - register wispacontacular.com!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Okay, I just happen to have stars in my eyes over the word Wispacontacular. I won't be able to sleep tonight dreaming of all the things that would be at a Wispacontacular. Will there be Motorola Canopy wielding Ninja Monkeys? Ah It will be magical! Wispacontacular Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:38 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I'm in toronto freezing my ass off having a pulled pork sammich and a microbrew. ;-) and yes, let's do a wispacontacular. On 2/3/10, lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: I like Ham Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City. Pulled pork is my favorite! :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get
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That sounds like a great idea, but I would like to think the WISP folks bathe more often than some of the people at the hamfest... Seriously, there are tons of things there that apply to HAM's, the FCC already is in attendance - maybe it would be easier to get some that handle WISPS there also if they already have a presence. In my outdoor booth I had new in the bag fall harnesses, mounting stuff, LMR400, power supplies, and enough two way radio stuff to load up a 21 foot enclosed trailer. Big solar panels, solar power inverters, etc. Just down from me, 59 dollar flat panel monitors. Across from him military surplus. Lots of people with LMR cable. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I wish it could be during Pizza but there isn't such a thing outside of my imagination. But seriously, I'd like to see it to where we could load up and go over to the HamVention as well. A lot of us have people we talk to daily on the Ham lists and I've seen many WISP operator vehicles in the parking lot. It's a perfect fit for us tower guys, we just don't power things with potatoes and banana peels or write 200 page papers on the correct way for long term RTV sealant storage. Josh, don't you guys provide the internet over at that HamVention? I thought I saw that someplace.. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream
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We could also crash over at Josh's house, drink his beer and take turns on his PlayStation3. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:14 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I agree. But things can be overcome. As far as lodging, would depend on how many WISPS would be attending. Wouldn't have to be in Dayton, could be Cincinnati or Columbus, both an hour or less away but still doable. Airfare into Dayton is usually less than the larger cities nearby but would depend on where one was coming from. There is also a convention center outside of Wilmington, Ohio. The Roberts Convention center. Middle of Columbus, Dayton, Cincinnati. Hotel and convention center. They'll pick up from the airports. But not stuck on the Dayton event, just mentioned it as an example since I try to attend and have been impressed by the size of it. BIG! Didn't get to go last year. Man, to have a WISP show AND the Hamvention.. that would truly be worthy of the word.. Wispacontacular. But anyhow, just points to think on. That's one vote for Wispacontacular. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far
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That would work :-) Josh, we don't drink cheap beer either.. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show We could also crash over at Josh's house, drink his beer and take turns on his PlayStation3. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:14 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I agree. But things can be overcome. As far as lodging, would depend on how many WISPS would be attending. Wouldn't have to be in Dayton, could be Cincinnati or Columbus, both an hour or less away but still doable. Airfare into Dayton is usually less than the larger cities nearby but would depend on where one was coming from. There is also a convention center outside of Wilmington, Ohio. The Roberts Convention center. Middle of Columbus, Dayton, Cincinnati. Hotel and convention center. They'll pick up from the airports. But not stuck on the Dayton event, just mentioned it as an example since I try to attend and have been impressed by the size of it. BIG! Didn't get to go last year. Man, to have a WISP show AND the Hamvention.. that would truly be worthy of the word.. Wispacontacular. But anyhow, just points to think on. That's one vote for Wispacontacular. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own
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And that's even more great reasons to try to schedule close to one of the big Ham conventions. I never even thought of the FCC guys. How much easier would it be to get some of the FCC people to speak at a WISP event if they are already in the area for the same type of presentation??? I think there would be greater attendance and interest in the WISP event if attendees could also break out and see the wide offerings of the Ham world. (And I could pick myself up a few cheap LMR-400 stripping tools) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show That sounds like a great idea, but I would like to think the WISP folks bathe more often than some of the people at the hamfest... Seriously, there are tons of things there that apply to HAM's, the FCC already is in attendance - maybe it would be easier to get some that handle WISPS there also if they already have a presence. In my outdoor booth I had new in the bag fall harnesses, mounting stuff, LMR400, power supplies, and enough two way radio stuff to load up a 21 foot enclosed trailer. Big solar panels, solar power inverters, etc. Just down from me, 59 dollar flat panel monitors. Across from him military surplus. Lots of people with LMR cable. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I wish it could be during Pizza but there isn't such a thing outside of my imagination. But seriously, I'd like to see it to where we could load up and go over to the HamVention as well. A lot of us have people we talk to daily on the Ham lists and I've seen many WISP operator vehicles in the parking lot. It's a perfect fit for us tower guys, we just don't power things with potatoes and banana peels or write 200 page papers on the correct way for long term RTV sealant storage. Josh, don't you guys provide the internet over at that HamVention? I thought I saw that someplace.. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have
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I feel as if I could have written that same post. I'm much saddened. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I like Ham Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City. Pulled pork is my favorite! :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented. The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has to DO a show. If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes things. I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one
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So fly into Columbus or Cincy. Only 90 minutes from Dayton. Although, last time I checked Dayton was cheaper. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented. The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has
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Dont say crash when referring to Dayton - Orville or Wilbur may hear you :) On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: We could also crash over at Josh's house, drink his beer and take turns on his PlayStation3. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:14 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I agree. But things can be overcome. As far as lodging, would depend on how many WISPS would be attending. Wouldn't have to be in Dayton, could be Cincinnati or Columbus, both an hour or less away but still doable. Airfare into Dayton is usually less than the larger cities nearby but would depend on where one was coming from. There is also a convention center outside of Wilmington, Ohio. The Roberts Convention center. Middle of Columbus, Dayton, Cincinnati. Hotel and convention center. They'll pick up from the airports. But not stuck on the Dayton event, just mentioned it as an example since I try to attend and have been impressed by the size of it. BIG! Didn't get to go last year. Man, to have a WISP show AND the Hamvention.. that would truly be worthy of the word.. Wispacontacular. But anyhow, just points to think on. That's one vote for Wispacontacular. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our
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Then get a hotel in Troy. I am positive they're not full. I've got a spare bedroom, too :P On 2/3/10, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together. We know who the vendors and attendees would be. And we know, basically, what would need to be presented. The members want a show. The vendors want a show. Someone just has to DO a show. If we can't find anyone to run the effort
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As long as we are inconveniencing Josh, breaking his PlayStation3 and drinking up all of his Old Milwaukee (Man, you should at least provide some decent beer to your guests) it's all good. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Dont say crash when referring to Dayton - Orville or Wilbur may hear you :) On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: We could also crash over at Josh's house, drink his beer and take turns on his PlayStation3. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:14 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I agree. But things can be overcome. As far as lodging, would depend on how many WISPS would be attending. Wouldn't have to be in Dayton, could be Cincinnati or Columbus, both an hour or less away but still doable. Airfare into Dayton is usually less than the larger cities nearby but would depend on where one was coming from. There is also a convention center outside of Wilmington, Ohio. The Roberts Convention center. Middle of Columbus, Dayton, Cincinnati. Hotel and convention center. They'll pick up from the airports. But not stuck on the Dayton event, just mentioned it as an example since I try to attend and have been impressed by the size of it. BIG! Didn't get to go last year. Man, to have a WISP show AND the Hamvention.. that would truly be worthy of the word.. Wispacontacular. But anyhow, just points to think on. That's one vote for Wispacontacular. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us
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We're already past you on the spare bedroom, dude. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:45 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Then get a hotel in Troy. I am positive they're not full. I've got a spare bedroom, too :P On 2/3/10, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date
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Dayton also has some activities that could be planned. Air force museum, and others. The Flea market always has computer and networking stuff as well. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net CCNA CCNT Mikrotik Advanced http://j2sw.mtin.net/blog From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:47:15 -0500 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show We're already past you on the spare bedroom, dude. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:45 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Then get a hotel in Troy. I am positive they're not full. I've got a spare bedroom, too :P On 2/3/10, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer
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Count me in if you guys end up KC... =) I'll do the 2.5 hour drive for the fun of meeting up with you guys. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:36 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I feel as if I could have written that same post. I'm much saddened. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I like Ham Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City. Pulled pork is my favorite! :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than
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Okay, and you might want to sit down for this one because the idea of it just makes me jump (Unlike when I see a mouse and scream like a little girl) A trip to Mendelsons! For those of you who aren't hip to Mendlesons. Uh... It's sometimes best to not know about heaven if you can never go there. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Dayton also has some activities that could be planned. Air force museum, and others. The Flea market always has computer and networking stuff as well. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net CCNA - CCNT - Mikrotik Advanced http://j2sw.mtin.net/blog From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:47:15 -0500 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show We're already past you on the spare bedroom, dude. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:45 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Then get a hotel in Troy. I am positive they're not full. I've got a spare bedroom, too :P On 2/3/10, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really
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I've never been to Mendelson's myself :P On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, and you might want to sit down for this one because the idea of it just makes me jump (Unlike when I see a mouse and scream like a little girl) A trip to Mendelsons! For those of you who aren't hip to Mendlesons. Uh... It's sometimes best to not know about heaven if you can never go there. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Dayton also has some activities that could be planned. Air force museum, and others. The Flea market always has computer and networking stuff as well. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net CCNA - CCNT - Mikrotik Advanced http://j2sw.mtin.net/blog From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:47:15 -0500 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show We're already past you on the spare bedroom, dude. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:45 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Then get a hotel in Troy. I am positive they're not full. I've got a spare bedroom, too :P On 2/3/10, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project
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You would be busy buying some more beer anyhow. We'll give you a list. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I've never been to Mendelson's myself :P On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, and you might want to sit down for this one because the idea of it just makes me jump (Unlike when I see a mouse and scream like a little girl) A trip to Mendelsons! For those of you who aren't hip to Mendlesons. Uh... It's sometimes best to not know about heaven if you can never go there. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Dayton also has some activities that could be planned. Air force museum, and others. The Flea market always has computer and networking stuff as well. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net CCNA - CCNT - Mikrotik Advanced http://j2sw.mtin.net/blog From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:47:15 -0500 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show We're already past you on the spare bedroom, dude. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:45 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Then get a hotel in Troy. I am positive they're not full. I've got a spare bedroom, too :P On 2/3/10, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design
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Sounds like a road trip. Weekend party with Eje in KC. Who's with me? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Count me in if you guys end up KC... =) I'll do the 2.5 hour drive for the fun of meeting up with you guys. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:36 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I feel as if I could have written that same post. I'm much saddened. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I like Ham Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City. Pulled pork is my favorite! :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though
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Only a half hour drive for me to KC, so I am in. :-) On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Sounds like a road trip. Weekend party with Eje in KC. Who's with me? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Count me in if you guys end up KC... =) I'll do the 2.5 hour drive for the fun of meeting up with you guys. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:36 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I feel as if I could have written that same post. I'm much saddened. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I like Ham Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City. Pulled pork is my favorite! :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to. They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community. Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project. Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is. We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list
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And it's only.. Uh Hmm... 11 hours for me. If I leave now I should be there around 6:30 Sunday. (I take into account speed traps, bathroom breaks and the occasional overnight stay at one of the local law enforcement establishments, usually over the aforementioned speed traps) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Only a half hour drive for me to KC, so I am in. :-) On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Sounds like a road trip. Weekend party with Eje in KC. Who's with me? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Count me in if you guys end up KC... =) I'll do the 2.5 hour drive for the fun of meeting up with you guys. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:36 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I feel as if I could have written that same post. I'm much saddened. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I like Ham Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City. Pulled pork is my favorite! :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just
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I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA
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Why would you not have it at Vegas, like most other conventions? Most days we can fly there and back for under $100 total round-trip. Rooms are cheap, and there is plenty of other stuff to do. Oh, and free booze. :-) On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen
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If not as busy... Then maybe if this idea goes forward the HamVention people may give WISPA members a break on the attendance??? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:37 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs
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I kind of thought it would be cool if it could be piggy-backed to another event like MUM or an AirOS conference or something of the sort. I also think that there might by some symmetry between WISPA and FISPA. Add a day or two for WISPA activities to the FISPA activities, allow for members of both sides to work together... FISPA puts on quite a few annual events. They are driven by the vendors. They are cheaper than $250 per person. Vendors pay a large sum of the costs. The big one in Atlanta was pretty well put together. Between QuickLink, WispRouter, CTI, LinkTechs, Streakwave, Alvarion, Butch Evans, Double Radius, Imagestream, Netsapiens, Platypus, Redline, Solectek, Trango, Ubiquiti, etc... that's enough vendors there to cover $25-40,000. Have a main room, 4 breakout rooms, make it 3 days. Heck, us MT trainers could add 2 days to it and offer a slew of MT training classes to help offset some of the costs. We could offer at least 3 different classes. If that is of serious interest to you guys, it's something I could work on putting together. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:37 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so
