Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett
ia.org/wiki/Qwest >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Randy Cosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett
: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > Is there a central resource for this type of information? > > -- > * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org &l

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2008-12-01 Thread Randy Cosby
tions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Randy Cosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:05 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwi

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2008-12-01 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
ark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:10 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > > >> I'm having a heck of a time finding providers in my area (Eugene, OR) from

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett
l.com -- From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:10 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > I'm having a heck of a time finding providers in my area (Eugene, OR) from > which I can

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2008-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett
2008 10:05 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > Heh... We started with Westnet here too! Those were the days. Then > MCI, then Sprint... Never heard of Qwest in those days. > > Randy > > > Travis Johnson wrote: >>

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2008-12-01 Thread Mark Nash
ay, December 01, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > There deals clear down to $7/meg. > Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. > > - Original Message - > From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Randy Cosby
e is getting it from the >> port to your NOC. :( >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: >> There deals clear down to $7/meg. >> Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. >> >> - Original Me

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Travis Johnson
> From: Travis Johnson > To: WISPA General List > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > > > Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg at the port > I've found $5/m

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Chuck McCown
started with 1 T1 from Qwest like many others. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per m

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2008-12-01 Thread Travis Johnson
E 100 Mbps burstable. - Original Message - From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I lea

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-12-01 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
There deals clear down to $7/meg. Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. - Original Message - From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Strea

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-30 Thread John Thomas
igent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information >

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Mike Hammett
ics-il.com -- From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. > &g

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:47 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > http://www.limelightnetworks.com/ > > It

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2008-11-29 Thread Jason Hodge
Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? > > J Hodge > 630.445.3779 > > -Original

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Mike Hammett
TECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? > > J Hodge > 630.445.3779 > > -Original Message- > From: [E

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Jason Hodge
11:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Almost all is port 80 and the worst part is this rule comes after my "all-p2p" rule, so I'm missing at least that much in torrent traffic. :( Travis Microserv Jason Hodge wrote: So

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Travis Johnson
riginal Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Hi, So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Jason Hodge
ravis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: > 208.111.168.6 > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > From: Travis Johnson > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Travis Johnson
Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: > 208.111.168.6 > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > From: Travis Johnson > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ne

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Mike Hammett
208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Michael Baird
Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WIS

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-29 Thread Travis Johnson
gt; Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Can anyone provide the ASN the streams come from? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -

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2008-11-29 Thread Mike Hammett
ing 1000 Gbps of traffic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WI

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs
2.2 MEG + Starting getting 3-4meg easy. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Matt
> Been watching it for a good while now. Doing a number of TV Episodes, > and no issues on a 40 Inch LCD. Near DVD quality what it says at the > highest resolution! Don't have ANY issues with it as of yet! What data rate are you seeing when streaming? Matt --

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs
quot; plasma was as good as anything else I've watched on it. >> >> I then downloaded something else (don't remember what it was) and the >> picture was much worse. >> >> YMMV >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> -----Original

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Josh Luthman
ething else (don't remember what it was) and the > picture was much worse. > > YMMV > > > Brad > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Matt > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:23 AM > To: WISPA G

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Brad Belton
tt Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to > provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only > can you start o

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Matt
> Sony 40" Bravia S and the console is connected via HDMI. Netlfix looks good > to me. Sony even confirmed I have a defective TV (2 days old) and is > getting someone to repair it. 2mbps connection or what? Matt

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Josh Luthman
Sony 40" Bravia S and the console is connected via HDMI. Netlfix looks good to me. Sony even confirmed I have a defective TV (2 days old) and is getting someone to repair it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understan

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Matt
> In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to > provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only > can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your > computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it > mainstrea

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Travis Johnson
TECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:10 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Problem with 900 is the lack of spectrum. Most fast equipment uses 10 to 20MHz. In 900 there is only a total of 26MHz. The fastest solutio

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread Mike Hammett
Friday, November 28, 2008 8:10 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > Problem with 900 is the lack of spectrum. Most fast equipment uses 10 to > 20MHz. In 900 there is only a total of 26MHz. The fastest solution on the > market

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-28 Thread eje
obile -Original Message- From: "Adam Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:31:43 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I oversubscribe 10/1. I try to keep it down to 30-35 subs per AP (mostly 900MHz=3mbps rad

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2008-11-27 Thread Adam Goodman
CTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:06 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > > >> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: >> >>>I think the canopy 450 will do something like 30 do

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
it's much closer to 2 gigs than 3. It's gone up by a gig in the last 12 to 18 months though. marlon - Original Message - From: support To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

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2008-11-26 Thread support
mazingly different. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Drew Lentz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information The point that I was gett

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
t they are or what you do with them as long as you pay for what you actually use. marlon - Original Message - From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth I

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2008-11-25 Thread RickG
omers because of our 6 gig limit. I'd love to see the bw > and gig numbers for some of the other wisps in my area. I'll bet it's > amazingly different. > > laters, > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Drew Lentz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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2008-11-25 Thread Josh Luthman
t Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:36 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Informati

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
L PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:36 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > With my consumer hat on I don't care if it is streaming or not really - > they > both of their small ups and downs. If I have

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Josh Luthman
With my consumer hat on I don't care if it is streaming or not really - they both of their small ups and downs. If I have to pay for storage it would bother me but I got the feeling they'll provide you with a unit that does the storage. With my WISP hat on I would prefer people to store the data

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread John Valenti
One nice feature of this Blockbuster device is that it seems to download and store the video, so it doesn't rely on streaming. Also, I looked at their website and it seems like the "good" videos cost $3.99 (not 1.99). The videos did seem to be more recent than the ones Netflix offers. On Nov

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu (CTI) Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information >Best practices tell >you to build your networ

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2008-11-25 Thread Josh Luthman
o Rural Central California > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Charles Wu (CTI) > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:47 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > &g

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2008-11-25 Thread Mike Hammett
;; "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha > > $23/meg. Dude, you suck! > > Out here I pay 250/meg at one location and $140 per at another. That's > JUST > the bw. Tack on hundred

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
arlon - Original Message - From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > Drew, > > I once thought the world was full of rednecks and s

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
ew Lentz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > The point that I was getting at when this thread started about 24 hours > ago > was about having an all you can

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Drew Lentz
Obviously upstream costs vary depending on where you are located. That isn't the whole issue here. At the last wisp we built out, we were accessing dual DS-3s at 2 central points and distributing them via 155Mbps radios throughout 6000 square miles. We found the lowest cost upstream provider at the

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-25 Thread Scottie Arnett
Drew, I once thought the world was full of rednecks and southern bells, until I got out of the southern United States a few times. As a matter of fact, I thought Vegas hung the moon! I am not sure where you hail from, but can you give us an idea of what your upstream cost are? That makes ALL t

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 1:01 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Info

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Drew Lentz
The point that I was getting at when this thread started about 24 hours ago was about having an all you can eat type service. As it stands right now, how many ISPs are offering plans of 768k or 1Mbps or 3 Mbps? This is not going to cut it in the future. This is not going to cut it next year. I was

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Scottie Arnett wrote: >I have to BITCH about the cost of gear, or not compete. I am a I understand the reasons price is so important to WISPs. The point I was making was only peripherally about the complaints regard equipment cost. The manufacturers have gotten a clear si

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Mike Hammett
SPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > Butch, > > I am not downplaying your response. The problem I am seeing is that my > main competition is two rural cooperatives, the cable comp in my area is > virtually nill. The cable co&#x

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Jack Unger
Drew, As I've mentioned before - wireless "physics" does not allow you to simply and affordably "build your network" for tomorrow but you do not yet understand this point. No matter what the customer wants (or demands) and no matter how much the WISP wants to build a high-throughput network at

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread George Rogato
Scottie Arnett wrote: > Just a side notethe local Co-op requires you to take their landline to > get DSL, we get %95 of our customers who do not want their POS landline and > use their cell phone, but the barriers are still there! > > Scottie Facts are, nobody can succesfully corner 100%

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Scottie Arnett
- Original Message - >From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "WISPA General List" >Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:24 PM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > > >> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Scottie Arnett
Butch, I am not downplaying your response. The problem I am seeing is that my main competition is two rural cooperatives, the cable comp in my area is virtually nill. The cable co's are privately owned. I am not sure how they(cooperatives) are doing it, but they must be getting $$$ to fund thei

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Amen, nobody ever said you could build it and rest on your laurels. No small business is safe from changes that come with time. Evolve or die. I am not going to sit around complaining the sky is falling. > So the cost to meet the future needs of our subscribers is real, it's > not as hard to swal

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Mike Hammett
am Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:54 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > So how much would 10GigE be to your NOC? > >Sam Tetherow >Sandhills Wireless > > Mike Hamm

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2008-11-24 Thread Mike Hammett
Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 10:50 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > On Mon, 24

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2008-11-24 Thread Mike Hammett
AIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 10:36 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > >>Check out Garrison Utah or Burbank Nevada. Doesn't get much more >

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread George Rogato
Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote: > Simple as this... > > Even if you can supply this bandwidth.. > > 1. Avg Customer usage goes up. > 2. Over subscription rate goes down. > 3. Network costs go up to meet increased demand > 4. Per Sub costs go up due to the higher usage > 5. Profit per

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2008-11-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > >>What I have done, you can do too. Just takes lots of time and work

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2008-11-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: >What I have done, you can do too. Just takes lots of time and work >and bootstrapping. Ok..so we're gonna put this whole netflix thing on hold for the next 20 years so that I can bury enough fiber to support it? It seems that you are trying to mak

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
What I have done, you can do too. Just takes lots of time and work and bootstrapping. - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth

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2008-11-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: >Check out Garrison Utah or Burbank Nevada. Doesn't get much more >rural than that. Of course I have spent the most part of the last >20 years slowly building a fiber and microwave network to get to >all these areas. 1. I never said that you can't

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
OK, maybe not for you. But I am still going to be there trying. And when it fails you can tell me you told me so. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth

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2008-11-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
ECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > >>I deliver 100 mbps wholesale to many rural areas for $3-4K/month >>type of figu

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2008-11-24 Thread Travis Johnson
have all 20 streaming movies all at the same time. I am willing to take the chance. That is how we are building out our network. - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:06 PM

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: >I deliver 100 mbps wholesale to many rural areas for $3-4K/month >type of figure. That includes transport. And stastically, you can >oversub it, even with streaming content. You are never going to >have all 20 streaming movies all at the same time.

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Mike Hammett wrote: >Where has the innovation in the last few years gone? How many in this industry bitch and moan over the cost of gear? How many would purchase an AP at under $200 and STILL think that's too high? How many in this industry are willing to purchase somethi

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
are building out our network. - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: >I think the canopy 450 will do something like 30 down and 10 up. >So that could give you 20 simultaneously which statistically could >work if you had 50-100 on an AP. Ok, so you have 20 people on one AP pulling 2Meg each which is 40 meg stream. If

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Charles Wu (CTI)
>Best practices tell >you to build your network for your needs tomorrow, not for today, not for >yesterday. Until the cold reality of cash flow and running a profitable business smacks you right in the face and then you're stuck trying to keep yesterday's network running as long as possible...

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Mike Hammett
://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:04 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > sigh > > We've al

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Josh Luthman
lon > > - Original Message - > From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:42 PM > Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > > > > In case you did not know, rece

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
s" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to > provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 us

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Sam Tetherow
> From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:50 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > > >> Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> T

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Mike Hammett
ett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:50 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Informa

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
Yep. And I would agree there. I also think, WISPs, and even cable cos have the issue that the technology will limit their ability to take this increase rapidly. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Drew Lentz
This is the statement that got me: > One argument that I have had people tell me, is that the ISP should know > this is coming and should have planned for it. Whether it is through watching the amount of bandwidth used over periods of time as a trend or doing market research to find out what is co

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
The local Gas Co here has "budget billing" The bill changes ever 4 months. During the winter its low, and the summer its way high, why. Winter we use it to heat with, normally I would have 300-400 bills, for a few months, but the summer we only use it for cooking, so it would be 30-40 bucks!

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
neral List >>>>>> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:11:04 -0600 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think we will eventually see people

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Matt
> My telephone service is unlimited (home landline with Qwest) and could be > unlimited cell phone with AT&T or Sprint. My water is unlimited. There is almost always 'fine print' in these unlimited plans. Unlimited long distance is almost always not completely unlimited. > People want "unlimited"

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Sam Tetherow
>>> start >>>>>> seeing all channels available at all times via Internet with some common >>>>>> interface (Netflix, Tivo, Windows Media Player, Real Player, Quicktime, >>>>>> etc.) then we will have this problem to contend with as wel

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Travis Johnson
wn and 10 up. So that could give you 20 simultaneously which statistically could work if you had 50-100 on an AP. - Original Message ----- From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information You

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Sam Tetherow
eir ads at a >>>> premium and would provide an automatic "off" button for the stream when >>>> people walk away from the "TV" and do not click something once in a while >>>> to >>>> prove they are watching the content and commercial

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Travis Johnson
down and 10 up. So that could give you 20 simultaneously which statistically could work if you had 50-100 on an AP. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Travis Johnson
AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > > > You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple Canopy AP > is going to solve the problem? Let's say you are allocating 10Mbps downlink > on this AP... that would mean 5 customers per

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Jack Unger wrote: >Being in favor of not limiting bandwidth may seem very altruistic >but I'm not sure you are aware of the bandwidth/throughput >limitations of todays wireless equipment used for last mile access. >It's not a question of fitting the "business model"; it's a

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Josh Luthman
Don't forget VoIP and it's unlimited calling plan versus AT&T and Verizon's several cents per minute over the last several years. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Drew Lentz
> Charging a customer by their actually usage is the most 'real' method of > billing. In fact the unlimited model is the artificial one that is used > to entice people into buying. If the customer always fully utilized > their $30/month worth of bandwidth you would go broke. That is a great poi

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Sam Tetherow
> From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:50 PM > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > > &

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Sam Tetherow
spring. Not as good as Orthogon, but a lot >>> better than anyone else out there. 20 MHz of WiMAX could produce acceptable >>> speeds, but no one is doing it. >>> >>> Buying an $8k WiMAX AP that only does 15 megabit sounds like a >>> great idea!I could M

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Drew Lentz
in the last few years gone? >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PR

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Josh Luthman
tton for the stream when > >> people walk away from the "TV" and do not click something once in a > while to > >> prove they are watching the content and commercials. > >> Scriv > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:46 AM,

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

2008-11-24 Thread Mike Hammett
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:50 PM To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information > I couldn't imagine how the logistics of this would work. What makes > sense is if your custom

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