Here is a link that does a decent job describing the Mikrotik
implementation using burst-limit, burst-threshold and max-limit. Scroll
down to the section labeled "Burst" (second to last section).
http://www.mikrotik.org.pl/jakto.php?g=13&PHPSESSID=5193496d65073e909b1f130b2e234135
Sam Tetherow
reater
than the inbound bw anyway. So it now looks prudent to me to have BOTH bw
management built into the radios, AND at the head-end.
Rich
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Mikrotik can do this.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:27 AM
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List,
Several times in the last few weeks the topic of bandw
They aren't saying 10MB for $10.
They are saying DSL for $10 -- most likely DSL Lite.
It will probably be felt my the dial-up providers like NetZero, since
the price is used to add subs.
New subs added is the metric that Wall St. is watching.
SBC learned that at $10 they can convert dial-up user
built into the radios, AND at the head-end.
Rich
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From what I understand, there are many types of qdisc (HTB, CBQ, Prio,
on an
eater than the inbound bw anyway. So it now looks prudent to me to
have BOTH bw management built into the radios, AND at the head-end.
Rich
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Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwi
ove to hear
if other radios have built-in bw management and what method is use for
comparison (any Trango users who could possibly comment?).
Rich
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On Jan 24, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Rich Comroe wrote:
> Thanks much. I love it when you talk technical! Sorry, couldn't
> help it...
>
> No really, the devil is alw
Ryan Langseth
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On Jan 24, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Rich Comroe wrote:
> Thanks much. I love it when you talk technical! Sorry, couldn't
> help it...
>
&g
I do. I run a squid cache (that way filtering comes easy too). I get a
hit rate of 40% (40% of requested items come from the cache), and this
accounts for 20% of the bandwidth (the 40% are usually small graphics,
etc). So I stretch my bandwidth by about 20%.
Jason
Peter R. wrote:
Do any o
uot;Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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We sell mainly to residential users and to some small businesses.
We are quite rural, and my cost for a T-1 is $45
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This will get harder as 4Q07 approaches and AT&T rolls out it's $10 DSL
and $19.95 Naked DSL - as per merger concessions. There will be a ton of
disqualifiers. Howev
This will get harder as 4Q07 approaches and AT&T rolls out it's $10 DSL
and $19.95 Naked DSL - as per merger concessions. There will be a ton of
disqualifiers. However, this will effectively put many Residential ISPs
in the NFL cities out of business.
I don't understand the race to the bottom
Do any of you use caching to save on bandwidth consumption?
Blair Davis wrote:
The other point is, that with a good mix of residential and business
customers, and a little creative thinking, one can match their usage
patterns to minimize ones peak bandwidth requirements while still
provid
On Jan 24, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Rich Comroe wrote:
Thanks much. I love it when you talk technical! Sorry, couldn't
help it...
No really, the devil is always in the details in these things.
This is just the detail I was looking for. After I digest I hope I
may send questions your way off
That is exactly the issue I have. The system I need this for is an
extremely rural retirement community, satellite-connected WISP
with 1meg down 128k up and 266megs total per day limit (8gig
spread over 30 days). Just one all night P2P session will cause
the upstream provider to cut the connecti
will share what bw
management algorithms they may have built-in.
thanks again,
Rich
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Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:23 PM
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Rich,
--- Here is the detail
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Travis Johnson wrote:
That's not correct. About 5 years ago, we were paying $1,500 per T1
and selling T1 speed wireless for $250 per month. Seven to eight
years ago we were paying $3,000 per T1 and selling wireless T1 for
$250 per month. This is the entire ISP business mod
OR, we could stop playing the Cable Co. and Telco "games" with their "up
to 3meg" and "up to 7meg" connections for $34.95 and just start selling
what they get.
We started selling 512k, 1meg, 1.5meg and 2meg connections (up and down,
guaranteed speed 24x7) about 3 years ago. It was the best thi
Butch,
That's not correct. About 5 years ago, we were paying $1,500 per T1 and
selling T1 speed wireless for $250 per month. Seven to eight years ago
we were paying $3,000 per T1 and selling wireless T1 for $250 per month.
This is the entire ISP business model.
Travis
Microserv
Butch Evans
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I would suspect that the customer (as is the case in much of the world,
not nec
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Matt,
What an asinine comment! You sound like you ought to be giving
bandwidth
away with the pride and carefree attitude that you portrayed with such
indignant comment. If the truth was known you aren't any different than
esday, January 24, 2007 4:01 PM
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Fascinating. I only spoke of leaky bucket because that's practically a match
to what Jason originally described to the list (and I happen to know of radios
that have this algorithm intern
AM
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Have you thought about selling the customer a pipe that works for any
and all traffic at the speed the customer signed up for as opposed to
deciding for the customer?
-Matt
Jason wrote:
> List,
>
>Several tim
Have you thought that not everyone has the same kind of market that you
do and that bandwidth management of this kind considerably improves the
number of customers and quality of service that can be provided?
Sheesh.
Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
Matt Liotta wrote:
Have you thought about selling
StarOS will handle this for you. Just use the "fb" rules. Works great!
Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
Jason wrote:
List,
Several times in the last few weeks the topic of bandwidth
management has been discussed, but "I Still Haven't Found What I'm
Lookin' For"... Here's what I'd like to do:
do some studying?
Rich
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Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:59 PM
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As usual Rich, you post material we all learn from. I've not much to add
except to sa
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We sell mainly to residential users and to some small businesses.
We are quite rural, and my cost for a T-1 is $450 per month. My pending
fiber
Bit Bucket bandwdith management can easilly be done with HTB on Linux.
However, Bit Bucket bandwdith management can have undirable effects on
business traffic.
The last thing you want is a high paying business to complain about their
performance or spotty inconsistent speed.
More so important be
Nice job sticking to your guns.
Patrick
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We sell mainly to residential users
We sell mainly to residential users and to some small businesses.
We are quite rural, and my cost for a T-1 is $450 per month. My pending
fiber hookup is $1100 per month for 5Mbit.
A bit ago, a business customer's new IT consultant complained that the
256Kbit committed rate for $60 a month w
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:50 AM
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This thread should not hit a nerve, as I think it has. I've read a lot
of your stuff, so I know you're a bright guy. You know that while
telephone talk-time may not be metered
I would suspect that the customer (as is the case in much of the world,
not necessarily in the limited
world you may operate in) does not want to, or in many case could not
pay for such a pipe. In many
areas of the US, especially rural, bandwidth is extremely expensive.
Customers do not want to pay
ey only sell business
service where throughput per user is sold with SLAs ... engineering to a high
erlang per user, or equivalently described as a low oversubscription rate).
regards,
Rich
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Sent: Wednesday, January 2
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Matt Liotta wrote:
Have you thought about selling the customer a pipe that works for
any and all traffic at the speed the customer signed up for as
opposed to deciding for the customer?
When your head dips below the cloud cover, you will realize that not
everyone has thi
I'm with you jason - the subject of bandwidth management is an important
one, and the fact is that new applications (crapplications?!) are
appearing all the time which are pushing the business model into a tight
spot. We have competing forces - on the one hand, we purchase expensive
dedicated b
We haven't used them but they do have an impressive client list, here's the
link
http://netequalizer.com/indexgoo.php
Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
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Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California
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...read my mind.
Brad
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Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:49 AM
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Have you thought about selling the customer a pipe
I believe what you would be looking for is something like a
NetEqualizer. This device works to equalize all your traffic to make
sure one user is not using up all the pipe. It works by tracking active
connections by IP address, if it finds a user hogging the bandwidth it
puts a delay on their
Have you thought about selling the customer a pipe that works for any
and all traffic at the speed the customer signed up for as opposed to
deciding for the customer?
-Matt
Jason wrote:
List,
Several times in the last few weeks the topic of bandwidth
management has been discussed, but "I
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