On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
I won't defend all the crazy intrusions by government.
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Edward H. Winters wrote:
In my case with less than 30 subs, one network operator (me), and
tiny budget, there is no way i can afford even a low cost solution.
let alone 4 or 5 employees.
So unless some miracle occurs, I will close shop on May 12.
What equipment is in
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Edward H. Winters wrote:
I would roll my own, but even if i had a working intercept device
(opencalea's tap program) it would still need to forward the
collected data to the TTP for mediation.
This is not the case. Be a little patient and there will be more
information
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Edward H. Winters wrote:
the provider or the TTP have to provide the information within 8
seconds of real time to the LEA via a mediation device.
You are misinformed. See here:
http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=22
See question/answer 18.
every trusted third party i have
On Tue, 1 May 2007 03:20:11 -0500 (CDT)
Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Edward H. Winters wrote:
the provider or the TTP have to provide the information within 8
seconds of real time to the LEA via a mediation device.
You are misinformed. See here:
On Tue, 1 May 2007, Edward H. Winters wrote:
when you consult the fcc documents they point to existing standards
which define exactly this. i understand wipsa's document was
created from opinions of the wispa calea committee which were
formed during informal talks with the government agencies
Those prices don't make me happy either. I have not heard an official
anything yet from the wispa calea group. I don't believe they are done
with their activities.
It would be good to hear what they have to say concerning methods of
compliance and costs.
I read a doc that said a 15k isp
actually the prices are the least of my worry regarding calea.
i am more worried about some untrusted device on my network.
assuming i would have to give root on the at least tap device
to the trusted third party. i've been told by some TTPs i would
need to provide credentials for every device
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Those prices don't make me happy either. I have not heard an official
anything yet from the wispa calea
Doesn't work that way Ed. YOU have to provide the data to LEA. They don't
get to go in and take it.
marlon
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We've got a long way to go yet.
No, we have 3 weeks.
But here are a few things so far
Marlon,
i understand the mechanics of it completely.
the provider or the TTP have to provide the information within 8 seconds
of real time to the LEA via a mediation device.
every trusted third party i have talked with so far wants access on at
least the intercept device.
Ed
On Sun, 29 Apr
Same can be said of Insurance, since really that's what it is.
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
don't forget, you can't charge LEA for the TTP's services. You may pay that
TTP for years and they never do a single thing for you.
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Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
We're flying blind, here. None of us small guys have lawers,
consultants,
or super techies who can just do this, much less implement the time
constraints and 24/7/365 aspects, etc. And we're wondering why
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
There are many other ways for law enforcement to get what it needs. Even
better would be a REAL law, written properly, and funded properly by
Congress, instead of this absurdity about information services and
telecommuncations services. You know, of course, that this
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There are many other ways for law enforcement to get what
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to deal with that, not you.
marlon
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Marlon,
i understand the mechanics of it completely
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From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Who is that someone?
Why does wispa want to take an antagonistic stance towards legal high
tech wiretapping?
Isn't legal wiretapping essential to law enforcement?
The only thing I can think of is to seek funds from the feds to
implement this.
George
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
I know you're
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
Why does wispa want to take an antagonistic stance towards legal high
tech wiretapping?
BECAUSE IT IS FREAKING WRONG, GEORGE, for the government to shift the cost
of law enforcement to specific business entities for its own convenience.
Why can't you see this?
When
: [WISPA] from WISPA's home page
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
Why does wispa want to take an antagonistic stance towards legal high
tech wiretapping?
BECAUSE IT IS FREAKING WRONG, GEORGE, for the government to shift the
cost
of law enforcement to specific business entities for its own
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:17:17 -0700
George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
Why does wispa want to take an antagonistic stance towards legal high
tech wiretapping?
BECAUSE IT IS FREAKING WRONG, GEORGE, for the government to shift the cost
of law enforcement to
How do you know what the costs are Ed?
George
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George,
From talking to equipment manufactures, law enforcement, and trusted
third party providers.
I would roll my own, but even if i had a working intercept device
(opencalea's tap program) it would still need to forward the
collected data to the TTP for mediation.
Ed
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How do you know what the costs are Ed?
George
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George,
From talking to equipment manufactures, law enforcement, and trusted
third party providers.
I would roll my own, but even if i had a working intercept device
(opencalea's tap program) it would still need to forward the
collected data
Have you heard actual costs yet?
Edward H. Winters wrote:
George,
From talking to equipment manufactures, law enforcement, and trusted
third party providers.
I would roll my own, but even if i had a working intercept device
(opencalea's tap program) it would still need to forward the
nothing concrete, but i will not sign a nondisclosure agreement
with any of them at the moment either.
i've been told everything from a few hundred a month, to thousands
for the subscription, with setup (initial testing) fees ranging
from around one thousand up to ten thousand.
Ed
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