Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Peter R.
Two quick thoughts: 1) If it was so easy to encrypt, more would do so. These things are to catch the mastermind genius, which thankfully are few and far between, but to catch the idiots. And most people are surrounded by idiots. Why even... never mind. If encryption was easy, PGP would be

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS? - Libraries

2007-04-26 Thread Peter R.
About libraries and CALEA: When the FCC extended CALEA to all facilities-based broadband Internet access providers in September 2005, it deemed it not to be in the public interest at that time to extend CALEA to libraries “that acquire broadband Internet access service from a facilities-based

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Steve
For your info, It is very easy to encrypt. there are plenty of easy to use tools for using impossible to break encryption. if you can use hotmail, you can use hushmail. The fact is that in my conversation with people I have discovered that they just don't care to encrypt.. I don't have anything

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: [WISPA] LEMMINGS? Another two cents that may or may not be worth ANYTHING at all. RANT I have sat back and observed for some time now (with much disdain

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Peter R.
BTW, I never said not to fight it. I think that a majority of people want to comply and that should be the short term aim. Fighting it should have been done earlier, but can certainly be done now (or after May 14). It will just be harder. I would suggest those that want to fight should

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread David E. Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another two cents that may or may not be worth ANYTHING at all. Hi, Mark's sock puppet who writes like Tim May. Members really perceive it will foster increased national security. Anyone who believes that is, at best, delusional. I assume most of

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another two cents that may or may not be worth ANYTHING at all. Hi, Mark's sock

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Jeromie Reeves
On 4/19/07, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as Patrick Henry once said Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. Who is Patrick Henry?? /end sarcasm Seriously tho, I do not remember that being a quote from him but from Patrick Stewart. I happen to like: The liberties of a people

[WISPA] Lemmings Followup

2007-04-26 Thread maybemenot
Mr. Koskenmaki, I am sorry to see that you felt a flame was directed upon you. Personally, I take the reference to Tim May as an undeserved complement. But Tim's works do pre-date a lot of the younger crowd. BTW, Tim's manifesto is well worthy of the few minutes of time it will take anyone

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
think they had any inkling they would be required to do. - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS? On 4/26/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Steve
Precisely.. Misquote was intentional.;) Patrick Henry never would have said such diabolical words. Just wanted to get the gears turning for those who remember what Patrick /really/ said! -- Jeromie Reeves wrote: On 4/26/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeromie Reeves wrote: On

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Dawn DiPietro
combined is a challenge far beyond what I think they had any inkling they would be required to do. - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS? On 4/26/07

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Peter R.
It's more likely that you would get 100 maximum to say I can't comply, since most won't want to make themselves known. And those 100 would be contacted. Cripes only a few hundred filled out the 477... you think a few thousand would light a bonfire? Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I think Steve's

Re: [WISPA] Lemmings - suggestions

2007-04-26 Thread Peter R.
Mr. Hush, Excellent plan. What agenda item will you be working on first? SUGGESTIONS of what to do: 1) Inform the AP / UPI that as an industry group, we have decided to stage a cyclic disconnect from public Inet in protest. Any volunteers to write and distribute this Press Release? 2) As a

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Steve, well you did get me thinking about him (and my best remembered quote from him). On 4/26/07, Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's more likely that you would get 100 maximum to say I can't comply, since most won't want to make themselves known. And those 100 would be contacted. Cripes

RE: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Mark McElvy
] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS? Mark, At this point you are beating a dead horse. We know how you feel about the government and following the laws put in place for your protection. But to be honest with you

Re: [WISPA] Lemmings - suggestions

2007-04-26 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lemmings - suggestions Mr. Hush, Excellent plan. What agenda item will you be working on first? SUGGESTIONS of what to do

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
incomprehensible dichotomy of POTS telephone taps and internet data interception. - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] LEMMINGS? I may not agree with everything Mark is saying

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Dawn DiPietro
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS? Mark, At this point you are beating a dead horse. We know how you feel about the government and following the laws put in place for your

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
- Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS? Mark, So this means you thumb your nose at the FCC when they put regulations into place? No, it means I thumb

Re: [WISPA] Lemmings - suggestions

2007-04-26 Thread George Rogato
Peter R. wrote: Mr. Hush, Excellent plan. What agenda item will you be working on first? SUGGESTIONS of what to do: we have decided to stage a cyclic disconnect from public Inet in protest. I'm confused... Is he saying to turn the internet off for his customers? Is this supposed to have

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread George Rogato
Being from Massachusetts and studying the American Revolution through out my youth, which is one exciting piece of history, Patrick Henry and Give me Liberty or give me Death has to be one of the cornerstone of my beliefs. Jeromie Reeves wrote: On 4/26/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] Lemmings - suggestions

2007-04-26 Thread Peter R.
George Rogato wrote: Peter R. wrote: Mr. Hush, Excellent plan. What agenda item will you be working on first? SUGGESTIONS of what to do: we have decided to stage a cyclic disconnect from public Inet in protest. I'm confused... Is he saying to turn the internet off for his

Re: [WISPA] Lemmings - suggestions

2007-04-26 Thread George Rogato
Peter R. wrote: George Rogato wrote: Peter R. wrote: Mr. Hush, Excellent plan. What agenda item will you be working on first? SUGGESTIONS of what to do: we have decided to stage a cyclic disconnect from public Inet in protest. I'm confused... Is he saying to turn the internet off

Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-26 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS? Being from Massachusetts and studying the American Revolution through

[WISPA] LEMMINGS?

2007-04-25 Thread wispa
Another two cents that may or may not be worth ANYTHING at all. RANT I have sat back and observed for some time now (with much disdain) as the 'herd' runs as fast as we can toward the cliff. I am still waiting to see if the herd (WE) turn out to be lemmings or not, but the cliff is