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n Behalf >Of Scottie Arnett >Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:36 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > >This may have already been answered or may not be exactly what you are looking >for, but: http:/

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he list shortly. >> >>Tom DeReggi >>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "Randy Cosby" >>To: "WISPA General List" >>Sent: Monday, April 05,

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] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This may have already been answered or may not be exactly what you are looking for, but: http://showmywhitespace.com/ shows what is available. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: "Tom DeReggi" Reply

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--- >From: "Randy Cosby" >To: "WISPA General List" >Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > >> Tom, >> >> Could you give us a hint how we would find this info? >> >>

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www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC You might have a lot of pigs

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ot; Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:52 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > You might have a lot of pigs, but I am guessing you haven't dealt with > forest. I have areas where it takes a 200ft tower to mostly beat the

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r using legacy bands. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Ryan Spott" > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 1:26 PM > To: "WISPA Ge

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eral List" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > Tom, > > Could you give us a hint how we would find this info? > > Randy > >> It might be a good idea for WISPs to look up their Whitechannel >> a

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gt; > >> > Someone enlighten me here. >> > >> > Steve Barnes >> > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> &

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Be careful when installing those antennae and make sure you read those instructions: < http://consumerist.com/2010/03/these-antenna-installation-instructions-are-surprisingly-specific.html > ryan On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Ryan Spott wrote: > Channel 2 (54-60 MHz) 102" 259cm >

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Very cool! I'm glad this meeting went so well. Fingers crossed that we get positive results! marlon - Original Message - From: "Jack Unger" To: ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with t

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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:23 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > Then the problem arises of frequency reuse if we have such low gain antenna >

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meron Crum" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 4:54 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > Well it will still see the H and V pol but at reduced gain. The main > advantage would be to use as you suggest...opposite pols for greater

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t;>> >>> Mike Gilchrist >>> Disruptive Technologist >>> Advanced Wireless Express >>> P.O. Box 255 >>> Toledo, IA 52342 >>> 239.770.6203 >>> m...@aweiowa.com >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >

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t;> Disruptive Technologist >> Advanced Wireless Express >> P.O. Box 255 >> Toledo, IA 52342 >> 239.770.6203 >> m...@aweiowa.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behal

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a.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:10 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > While it wouldn't need to cover the entire range, I'd expect at a most > separate UH

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gt; From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Ryan Spott >>> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC >>> >>>

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-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC The transmit frequency has nothing to do with how much

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; www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Ryan Spott >> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whit

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ailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:23 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > Then the problem arises of frequency reuse if we have such low gain antenna >

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I was sent a private post asking what system, if I was designing it, I would deploy. Respecting that post, I'll just answer here. I think a form of spread spectrum technology, perhaps using coherent radios would be just the thing. Some of the best algorithms give those whose function it is to in

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- From: "Mike" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 2:15 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > You're not going to need 15 dBi. > > Link budgets are way different at VHF than Microwave.

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WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC My experience is mostly limited to the WISP market (though I'm not completely ignorant of other markets). Innovation is always welcome, but any sector that delivers approximately 90 degrees and 15 dBi performance is going to be huge. - Mi

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, 2010 1:26 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > Mike, > > I would suggest that you not use this band if it does not meet your needs. > I > tend to not use 5.8 in my area as 5.8 does not meet my needs. > > Your nee

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gt;> > circular sense exhibits infinite loss. My experiments have shown that > >> > reality is less, but you CAN expect at least 30 to 40 dB of isolation. > >> > The > >> > same 6 MHz segment could be reused on the same tower. The phasing > >> harness > >> > on

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hat delivers approximately 90 degrees and 15 dBi performance >> is >> going to be huge. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> ------------

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omputing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Mike" > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:39 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting

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http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Mike" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:39 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > Have you ever taken a really good look at

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52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Then the pr

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ssage- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC While it wouldn't need to cover the entire range, I'd e

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uot; Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 11:59 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > Just for discussion, let's say a TV LPDA has a gain of 8 dBi. It will > cover > the entire VHF TV band, and by superimposing a UHF L

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tions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Steve Barnes" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:55 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > Mike, though I agree that circular polar

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/www.ics-il.com -- From: "Mike" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:23 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > Awesome report! Thanks. > Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circula

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avel forever in both intended and unintended areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Depends on the d

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Just for discussion, let's say a TV LPDA has a gain of 8 dBi. It will cover the entire VHF TV band, and by superimposing a UHF LPDA on the same mast, can cover the entire UHF TV band with similar gain figures. I'd make this challenge: I could TRY to hide a TV band LPDA on my property and beg you

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On 4/5/2010 12:18 PM, Mike wrote: Leon: Innovation will be key. Yes, a 6 meter vertical is large. But, what if you bent that quarter wave into an odd shape? Think fractals, cloverleafs, and other HORIZONATL elements. Comparing what we'd HAVE to use compared to a TV Yagi is apples to oranges.

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Channel 2 (54-60 MHz) 102" 259cm Channel 3 (60-66 MHz) 92" 234cm Channel 4 (66-72 MHz) 83" 211cm Channel 6 (82-88 MHz) 72" 183cm A typical antenna for low-band VHF: from < http://www.antennacraft.net/Y

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Leon: Innovation will be key. Yes, a 6 meter vertical is large. But, what if you bent that quarter wave into an odd shape? Think fractals, cloverleafs, and other HORIZONATL elements. Comparing what we'd HAVE to use compared to a TV Yagi is apples to oranges. Besides, most TV antennas I have e

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On 4/5/2010 11:02 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: A Couple questions. First, I would agree, any Whitespace spectrum is good spectrum for us, and better than none. But, why does the FCC keep hypothetically asking us "what about VHF channels 1-x" the lower part of the band? I think when we met wi

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-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC I am not sure where you get your assumptions but they are not correct. Every television channe

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eless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "John Scrivner" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:16 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > >

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In-line ... A Couple questions. 3. Is there something wrong or more encombersome with Bands 1-X (7?), that we dont know about or do know about? We know the size of radiators in the lower portion would be greater. However, lower frequencies propagate better, and a half wave elem

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(>800 Mhz). > > > > > > Someone enlighten me here. > > > > > > Steve Barnes > > > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun

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.@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Mike > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > > > Awesome report! Thanks. > > Give m

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ermine if VHF channels 1-7 are available in their territory or not. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: R

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g [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > Awesome report! Thanks. > Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly pol

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a.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Mike, though I agree that circular polarization could work. What channel width are you going to need to have a usable s

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> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > Awesome report! Thanks. > Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors, a > turnstile antenna on the CPE

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Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Mike, though I agree that circular polarization could work. What channel width are you going to need to have a usable system. I mean in the VHF band of 54

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@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committe

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ice -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Awesome report! Thanks. Give me equipment capabl

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203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This is a great report good job

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gt; To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the > WISPA Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office > of Engineering and Technology (OET)

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: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by

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gt; >> > Kurt Fankhauser >> > WAVELINC >> > P.O. Box 126 >> > Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> > 419-562-6405 >> > www.wavelinc.com >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.

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wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Ryan Spott > > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > > > This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. >

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spa.org] On > Behalf Of Ryan Spott > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. > > We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mo

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Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly) ryan On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Kurt Fankhauser

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g] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly) ryan On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM,

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ISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA > Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of > Engineering and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters in Washi

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, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of Engineering and Technology (OET) at

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ilto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jack Unger > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 4:17 PM > To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC > > Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA

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4:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of Engineering and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters