Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-10 Thread Scottie Arnett
: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This may have already been answered or may not be exactly what you are looking for, but: http://showmywhitespace.com/ shows what is available. Scottie -- Original

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-09 Thread Steve Barnes
] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This may have already been answered or may not be exactly what you are looking for, but: http://showmywhitespace.com/ shows what is available. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-09 Thread RickG
. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Tom

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-08 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC You might have a lot of pigs

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-08 Thread Scottie Arnett
Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Tom, Could you give us a hint how we would find this info? Randy It might be a good idea for WISPs to look up

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Tom, Could you give us a hint how we would find this info? Randy It might be a good idea for WISPs to look up their Whitechannel availabilty in their areas

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-07 Thread Mike Hammett
...@smarterbroadband.net Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC You might have a lot of pigs, but I am guessing you haven't dealt with forest. I have areas where it takes a 200ft tower to mostly beat the foliage

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-06 Thread MDK
] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC 6MHz is a weird channel size for our industry traditionally but in 5MHz ~25Mbps aggregate would be comfortable. -Hal On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 07:39 -0700, Ryan Spott wrote: Hey Steve, I use the cable-cos as an example. They get 30Mbit/sec for 6Mhz

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Steve Barnes
-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread D. Ryan Spott
: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of Engineering and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters in Washington D.C. to discuss the status of WISPA's

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This is a great report good job guys

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Steve Barnes
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Awesome report! Thanks. Give me equipment capable of 20 watts

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Dylan Bouterse
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committee met

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Mike, though I agree that circular polarization could work. What channel width are you going to need to have a usable system. I mean in the VHF band of 54

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread John Scrivner
' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Awesome report! Thanks. Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors, a turnstile antenna on the CPE, and it would be a perfect fit for THIS rural market. At that power level, and circular polarization, I

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Mike, though I agree that circular polarization could work. What channel width are you going to need to have a usable system

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Ryan Spott
: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Awesome report! Thanks. Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors, a turnstile antenna on the CPE, and it would be a perfect fit for THIS rural

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Awesome report! Thanks. Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors, a turnstile antenna on the CPE, and it would be a perfect fit for THIS rural market. At that power

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Harold Bledsoe
] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This is a great report good job guys and thank you. Next question. I don't know any of the team personally just from your posts. The picture in the report, can you give us a who's who left to right. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Ryan Spott
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Awesome report! Thanks. Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors, a turnstile antenna

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
In-line ... A Couple questions. 3. Is there something wrong or more encombersome with Bands 1-X (7?), that we dont know about or do know about? We know the size of radiators in the lower portion would be greater. However, lower frequencies propagate better, and a half wave

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Randy Cosby
Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivnerj...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC I am not sure where you get your assumptions

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Steve Barnes
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC I am not sure where you get your assumptions but they are not correct. Every television channel has

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 4/5/2010 11:02 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: A Couple questions. First, I would agree, any Whitespace spectrum is good spectrum for us, and better than none. But, why does the FCC keep hypothetically asking us what about VHF channels 1-x the lower part of the band? I think when we met

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
Leon: Innovation will be key. Yes, a 6 meter vertical is large. But, what if you bent that quarter wave into an odd shape? Think fractals, cloverleafs, and other HORIZONATL elements. Comparing what we'd HAVE to use compared to a TV Yagi is apples to oranges. Besides, most TV antennas I have

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Ryan Spott
Channel 2 (54-60 MHz) 102 259cm Channel 3 (60-66 MHz) 92 234cm Channel 4 (66-72 MHz) 83 211cm Channel 6 (82-88 MHz) 72 183cm A typical antenna for low-band VHF: http://www.antennacraft.net/pdfs/Y5-2-6.pdf from

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 4/5/2010 12:18 PM, Mike wrote: Leon: Innovation will be key. Yes, a 6 meter vertical is large. But, what if you bent that quarter wave into an odd shape? Think fractals, cloverleafs, and other HORIZONATL elements. Comparing what we'd HAVE to use compared to a TV Yagi is apples to

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
Just for discussion, let's say a TV LPDA has a gain of 8 dBi. It will cover the entire VHF TV band, and by superimposing a UHF LPDA on the same mast, can cover the entire UHF TV band with similar gain figures. I'd make this challenge: I could TRY to hide a TV band LPDA on my property and beg

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
in both intended and unintended areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Depends on the distance

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Awesome report! Thanks. Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
://www.ics-il.com -- From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:55 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Mike, though I agree that circular polarization

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
...@aweiowa.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 11:59 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Just for discussion, let's say a TV LPDA has a gain of 8 dBi. It will cover the entire VHF TV band, and by superimposing a UHF LPDA on the same

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC While it wouldn't need to cover the entire range, I'd expect at a most

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Then the problem

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:39 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Have you ever taken a really good look at an FM

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Ryan Spott
://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:39 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Have you ever taken a really good look at an FM

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC At 20watts, you probably won't need a 15db antenna. :) With lightly licensed, you probably won't need a sector. (less interference). With GPS timing (ala moto/cell gear) you will have less self-interference. ryan On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Ryan Spott
, April 05, 2010 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Then the problem arises of frequency reuse if we have such low gain antenna all over the place... and the size of a sector antenna for towers. - Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC My experience is mostly limited to the WISP market (though I'm not completely ignorant of other markets). Innovation is always welcome, but any sector that delivers approximately 90 degrees and 15 dBi performance is going to be huge. - Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike Hammett
, April 05, 2010 2:15 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC You're not going to need 15 dBi. Link budgets are way different at VHF than Microwave. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
I was sent a private post asking what system, if I was designing it, I would deploy. Respecting that post, I'll just answer here. I think a form of spread spectrum technology, perhaps using coherent radios would be just the thing. Some of the best algorithms give those whose function it is to

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Greg Ihnen
: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Then the problem arises of frequency reuse if we have such low gain antenna all over the place... and the size of a sector antenna for towers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Greg Ihnen
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Mike
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Then the problem arises of frequency reuse if we have such low gain antenna all over the place... and the size of a sector antenna for towers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread RickG
, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-05 Thread Josh Luthman
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly) ryan On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-04 Thread RickG
, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly) ryan On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-04 Thread John Scrivner
12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly) ryan On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-04 Thread RickG
www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Chuck Profito
4:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of Engineering and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Scott Reed
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 4:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committee met with top managers

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of Engineering and Technology (OET

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Ryan Spott
Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of Engineering and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters in Washington D.C. to discuss the status of WISPA's TV Whitespaces filings

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly) ryan On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Kurt

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Jack Unger
: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly) ryan On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k