Re: [WSG] Emulating text browser

2005-10-24 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
alejandro poch wrote: But recently I found that the Opera browser has an option to view your web in the way a text browser should do ( View/Style/User/Emulate Text Browser). Do anyone knows if the Lynx's browser is something like this option? I do have Lynx 2.8.5 running, but I use Opera to

Re: [WSG] 3 column vetical layout.

2005-10-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
kvnmcwebn wrote: Right now I'm trying another fixed height version but its a big comprimize in the look im going for. Hope to get some good advice here. I wonder how a 'fixed height' should fit different windows/screens, but I guess 'fixed to window' is what you mean. You may pick up some

Re: [WSG] Feedback

2005-10-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.mcguireomaha.com Only looking at home page. Good points: 1: generally good-looking and well organized - graphically. Weak points: 1a: not very user-friendly when font-resizing options are applied. Breaking and overlapping may become a problem in all browsers.

Re: [WSG] IE team says no to hacks

2005-10-13 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Christian Montoya wrote: I'll probably be using conditional comments for the next five years, and everytime I use them I think to myself, this would just be easier if IE worked the same as FF/Opera/Safari. It sure would, but would IE be 'MSIE' then? :-) Besides, I think someone will have to

Re: [WSG] faux columns for fixed AND percentage width

2005-10-13 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Titanilla wrote: Joshua Street wrote: Change your background GIF to a 2px by 7px graphic, instead of 210px wide as at present. Then, use background-position to put it in place. I'm not sure I understand you right. Keep existing background-image where it is. Add a trimmed down version of

Re: [WSG] IE team says no to hacks

2005-10-13 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Ben Curtis wrote: As a general rule, Only hack the dead. The only safe bug to exploit is one that is fixed in ongoing generations of the product, or will never be fixed because the product is dead. All other necessary targeting should use features, not bugs. (Some may ask what the difference

Re: [WSG] Need more help Was: [css-d] List with hover background images

2005-10-12 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Tom Livingston wrote: All I want is link text with a backgnd image to show on hover. And ONLY the text should hover/link. The above again has active blank space within the href... yes, because of display:block; but I can't get the effect of text-pushed-over-to-allow-for-hover-bg-image w/o

Re: [WSG] :after/:before used for layout

2005-10-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jan Brasna wrote: :after generated content cannot receive some CSS properties, including 'position', 'float', list properties, and table properties. That's CSS2. Can't find that line in CSS2.1. This seems to open for a bit more real use: The :before and :after pseudo-elements elements

Re: [WSG] :after/:before used for layout

2005-10-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: ?? margin seems to work perfectly fine here. Both on Firefox 1.6a1 nightly trunk build and Firefox 1.5beta 2 http:dev.l-c-n.com/_temp/after.php (the word blah in a grey box after each paragraph, and the word 'the End' as body:after) Working at my end too - once I

Re: [WSG] :after/:before used for layout

2005-10-10 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Zach Inglis wrote: I wanted to know your opinion on my post http://www.zachinglis.com/ websites/website/before-sliding-doors/. Interesting. I've been playing with :after lately, although not for anything serious. I've had some problems with positioning in Gecko. Opera is doing fine. Would be

Re: [WSG] Avoiding the evil br

2005-10-09 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Hope Stewart wrote: How do others code an address? My feeling is that semantically it should be contained within one paragraph or entity of some sort. But if you were using a screen reader, how would you differentiate one line from the next? Non-CSS browsers dictates where to use br /

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-08 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Thierry Koblentz wrote: IMO, hasLayout is a tough concept to grab. I think experiencing the result of the implementation of this fix is enough feedback for most people. It works or it doesn't. You sure got that wrong. Please, don't repeat it to others - they may believe you. AFAIK,

Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques

2005-10-07 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Thierry Koblentz wrote: I would appreciate your feedback so I can improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/branching.asp The idea is good, but it's a bit incomplete at the moment. I have yet to see a good browser with solid CSS support, so I don't think we can say completely no

Re: [WSG] Css fluid but accurate positioning

2005-10-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Adam Morris wrote: Is there a way to accurately and seamlessly position this image over the background? http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/uwish/girls.html .tornpic { width:350px; height:316px; float: right; margin: -113px -24px 0 0; background: url(tornpic0.jpg) no-repeat; position: relative; }

Re: [WSG] Css fluid but accurate positioning

2005-10-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Adam Morris wrote: What is this bug in IE/Win that you need position: relative; for? Parts of the float that's overflowing the outer container when pulled like this, will become invisible. -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list

Re: [WSG] Top Ten Web Design Mistakes - yeah, right!

2005-10-04 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: People who subscribe to Jakob Nielsen's newsletter are *not* normal. We're not? Gosh, I didn't know that... :-) They are people who show interest in Usability, people who have got an above average understanding of Website Structure and Web

Re: [WSG] Flexible Font sizes in tables in ie

2005-10-04 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Kara O'Halloran - Eduka wrote: I think if I set a base of 1em in the body it would solve my problems, but then I have to apply font size 75% to make everything the size I want it, and that would cause much the same problem as it cascades down and potentially end up with really mini fonts

Re: [WSG] Top Ten Web Design Mistakes - yeah, right!

2005-10-04 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: Major Usability Issues users cannot adjust to are: - Missing Information - Incorrect Information - Catastrophic Navigation - Websites that don't work - ... Ask a general person what they didn't like about a particular website and in the majority of

Re: [WSG] Site Review: www.47words.com

2005-10-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Nolan Winthrop wrote: Thanks for the comments, Georg, Wybe. I've made some corrections to it: notably shifting to percentages and ems for font-sizes; changing to onfocus for the search form. The use of small root-value for font-size (76% on body in your case) has the negative side-effect of

Re: [WSG] Site Review: hopkinsprogramming.net/

2005-10-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Hopkins Programming wrote: @All - Still need suggestions on the WAI conundrum. http://www.hopkinsprogramming.net/ Well, I think you should definitely put some descriptive text in those links, as my text-only browsers can't even see that there are links there at the moment. Don't think that

Re: [WSG] Site Review: www.47words.com

2005-10-02 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Nolan Winthrop wrote: http://www.47words.com Not exactly following best practices, with font-sizes _and_ line-heights defined in pixels. You're getting the usual result: blocking font-resizing in IE/win and causing text-overlapping in IE/win and Opera if user overrides font-sizes. In short:

Re: [WSG] Floating dl problem - Indented text

2005-09-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Damien Hill wrote: ... On the first line of the content, there is a 10 pixel indent that isn't meant to be there. The code works fine in Firefox. http://www.damienhill.com/tests/floats/ The indent equals margin-left on float. That's the bug. Add: dl.image {display: inline;} ...to fix

Re: [WSG] new site designed - code walkthrough please?

2005-09-29 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
adam reitsma wrote: A real stumbling block for me is font sizes. I dread the time i want to re-use a particular style, only to realise that the way i've nested the tags makes my text 2px high... http://www.bcct.org.au/v2 Maybe you shouldn't size down so many times through nesting then.

Re: [WSG] Resizing issues in IE

2005-09-28 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Darren Wood wrote: I have a nasty 3 column design that falls apart when the window is resized. http://fullcompass.netconcepts.com/ I've noticed the error only in IE. You may try adding: #pageWrapper {position: relative; _height: 0;} Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no

Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-26 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jon Dawson wrote: http://www.jomni.com/sandbox/flash_bg/ Not sure I know what it's supposed to look like. Opera 8.5 is presenting 3 lines of text on a gray background (default, I think), and a moving white box behind the text. http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/flashbgnd_op85_win2k.png Opera

Re: [WSG] Need help on css positioning

2005-09-24 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Dinh wrote: #sidebar { width:100%; background-color: #99; /* float:left; */ } #sidebar li { margin-left:20px; } It looks nice on Firefox: http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4divfinal5ku.png but not in IE6: http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4divfinalie64rv.png The problem

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

2005-09-23 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Webmaster wrote: Georg, the fix doesn't suggest putting different values on html and body (or did I miss the whole point?). I understood the solution to be setting body and/or html to 100.01% and then setting any other styles and text-level attributes with ems or %. Did I get it wrong? Not

[WSG] consistent fontresizing - the right way

2005-09-23 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
The result from my sidestep in the 'Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com' thread is clear, thanks to some off-list input. It _is_ quite possible to inject a human bug surrounding font-size into CSS, and end up with pretty logical but strange results. No problems with IE/win this time though... I'm sure

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

2005-09-23 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Andy Budd wrote: Your Norwenglish is good. Much better than my Englegen. I'd just never heard the bug name before so was curious. No wonder they spoke funny over in Brighton. Oh well, that was a long time ago... I normally just do body { font-size: 62.5%; } The size everything else as ems.

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

2005-09-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Andy Budd wrote: Why don't you ask mister Rutter? http://www.clagnut.com/blog/348/ You know what, I must have known this at some stage as I always set % on the body tag to avoid problems with font sizing in IE. I just didn't put two and two together and realise it was the same issue. I

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

2005-09-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Andy Budd wrote: As I said I've not experienced this before, so I'm kind of intrigued. Out of interest, how does the bug manifest its self on our site? Screenshots of original page on IE6/win2K-pro, window w:700/h:860: -2: http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/size_smallest.png -1:

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

2005-09-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rimantas Liubertas wrote: ... Part of the point of web standards in general is that the user and user agent have final control of the layout, not the designer. So if the page is too wide on a 21 inch monitor, why not reduce the window size? ... Two questions - then what are designers for?

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

2005-09-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Andy Budd wrote: Screenshots of original page on IE6/win2K-pro, window w:700/h:860: ... That does suck. Bloody IE! Oh, it's such a nice little bugger :-) I changed the font size on the body from ems to % early this morning, so would you mind letting me know if those screenshots were

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

2005-09-20 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Andy Budd wrote: http://www.clearleft.com/ Looking and working well in Op, Moz/FF ,IE6 on normal windows/screens (800 to 1280). Q: do you trigger the 'extreme font-resizing bug' in IE/win on purpose? Sure makes 'largest' large enough, but 'smallest' ends up a bit too small. Georg --

Re: the size of font was Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

2005-09-20 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Lea de Groot wrote: I like Andy's latest effort - the font size is a literal shock to the eye, but the more I look at it, the more I like it. I like it too. It is good to be able to read a web page without having to correct it first. ... Thinking about those brochures we are

Re: [WSG] Standards based visual design guidelines

2005-09-13 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Herrod, Lisa wrote: I'm more interested from your personal perspective and experience. Oh well, you asked for it. Pick and choose: http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/toc_7a.html ...plenty of 'personal' there, and I think there are standards at the base -- along with some pretty acid test-stuff.

Re: [WSG] IE 5 Mac Conditional Statement

2005-09-12 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Chris Kennon wrote: Does the following statement work in IE5MAC? !--[if IE] no. If so how would I use it to disable a styleSheet that cause this UA to choke? You will prevent IE/Mac from seeing styles that are wrapped in an @media rule (inside the stylesheet itself). Maybe this is what

Re: [WSG] Site Check [BushidoDeep]

2005-09-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, I've put it through as many hoops (UA's) as I own, let me know how it holds in yours. Looking good in Opera, Firefox, IE6, Safari iCab. IE/Mac is lost on width-- spreading everything out. --- HTML Tidy lists a number of minor errors. --- div#content-primary

Re: [WSG] Site Check [BushidoDeep]

2005-09-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Chris Kennon wrote: What tidy settings are you using. I get one nested span error from the default settings. However, I would like to see your settings and results. I got some 'href lacks value', 'tabindex lacks value' and an 'action lacks value' -- in addition to the 'nested emphasis span'.

Re: [WSG] Tables - a challenge!

2005-09-08 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
designer wrote: I mention this problem because, in the discussion on table usage, someone (John?) said he doubted if there was a single example where CSS didn't work and a table did. As far as I know, this is one of them . . . ...it is? ... many folk still like to place their content

Re: [WSG] Problems with print style and general site check

2005-09-07 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
James Gollan wrote: Hi, I am having a problem getting a print stylesheet to work in Firefox 1.04 Win. It works in opera and IE, but in Fireforx the home page doesn't show up the images as expected. Actually, I have found the print preview in most recent versions of Firefox to cause crashes

Re: [WSG] td != div

2005-09-06 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Kenny Graham wrote: I know that divs are more semantically neutral than tables, but is wrapping an element in 5 divs and a span really that much better than wrapping it in a table? No, div-wrapping-mania isn't much better. However, standards and weak browsers put limitations on what we can

Re: [WSG] Expanding height of left column to fill space

2005-09-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Stevio wrote: What is the best way to expand a left floated navigation column to fill up the height of the available space? This column has a different colour, but the right column will usually be bigger. Is the best way still to use background image, or does anyone have a better way of doing

Re: [WSG] Site which only works in IE?

2005-08-27 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Mary Wright wrote: I'm working on the first three pages of a new website, www.zebragraphics.co.uk/tcs, which seems to only work properly in PC IE6 and breaks in Firefox (PC Mac) and IE5, Safari and Camino on the Mac. Can anyone tell me what changes I need to make to please the other

Re: [WSG] Spacing Issue

2005-08-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Webmaster wrote: Keep in mind that not many people here will want to help you sort out a design that uses tables for layout. Are we not being a bit classist? Maybe ever so slightly, but I guess that comes naturally when one tries to use standards as base for web design. Although my current

Re: [WSG] expanding / contracting sections

2005-08-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Drake, Ted C. wrote: Expanding and collapsing content has been near the front of my brain for the past week or so and I thought I'd send out a request to the group for better answers. Don't know about 'better answers, but I've used a panel switching variant for quite a while:

Re: [WSG] circodeliaproducciones.com - thoughts on this site

2005-07-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
sam sherlock wrote: I happened acrosss this site on stylegala. http://www.circodeliaproducciones.com/ I would like to know what the list members think of the site... Looking good in some browsers - but can't take any stress. - My Firefox doesn't like it. - Opera 8... not too bad. - Relying

Re: [WSG] REL REV

2005-07-13 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Chris Kennon wrote: After pouring over endless minutiae, if yet to grasp when and how to use link rel= link rev= after having seen it numerous times, peering at the code of many respected sites. If you want to make real world use of link rel=, then this page may actually tell you how to do

Re: [WSG] REL REV

2005-07-13 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: ...use a good browser ;-) are you referring to opera? ;^) Well, I use Opera, and that site is obviously focused on Opera... I was however hinting at the fact that that page and the site is not very IE/win-friendly. I don't think Moose care

Re: [WSG] HR - Presentation or Structure?

2005-07-12 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Incidentally, I'm surprised that more people here haven't jumped in on the discussion. ...been busy cracking some more bugs related to the visual - as usual. Are all other web standards folks on here really in agreement that (X)HTML is a visual language by design, or

Re: [WSG] HR - Presentation or Structure?

2005-07-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Kenny Graham wrote: Am I alone in feeling that hr should be depreciated in favor of CSS borders? Especially with section in the XHTML 2.0 drafts, what semantic or even structural value does hr have? Every argument for its retention that I've heard so far has been presentation related. Well,

Re: [WSG] Siteproblem... IE off course

2005-07-08 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Siteman DA - Bent Inge wrote: Page: http://modulvegger.prosjektweb.net Sheet: http://modulvegger.prosjektweb.net/sitestyle.css Looks right in Firefox and Opera, but I've got big problems with the intended look in IE. No surprise there... :-) You'll have to play with the 'hasLayout'

Re: [WSG] tables to standards problem...

2005-07-01 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
akella wrote: http://www.champion.com.ua/ or here http://pravda.com.ua/ The problem is: How to implement it with CSS so that text will not be under the image. The obvious img{float:left} is not good - client dont want the text to be displayed under the image. This solution imitates parts of a

Re: [WSG] further to IE5.0 oddness: nav lists

2005-06-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
SunUp wrote: enlightenment required pls: 1. why doesn't this pretty list work in IE5.0? Because that old browser isn't any good. :-) 2. and how do i convince it (violently if necessary) to do so? Not sure, but you may try adding: #navcontainer ul li a {_height: 0;} ...that will activate

Re: IE Compliant (was RE: [WSG] (No subject header))

2005-05-27 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IE Compliant --- Why would u advertise that!?!?! Weird It was in relation to the deepbrowser that some one posted about, they wanted to know if it was just a wrapper for IE. The website advertises the fact that there browser is IE compliant. I was under the

Re: Subject: DIVs and horizontal scroll -- WAS: RE: [WSG] the mysteries of float - i seek enlightenment

2005-05-26 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Chris Taylor wrote: I'm trying to get a very wide table to appear inside a DIV and scroll horizontally, but not vertically. Take a look at http://www.egton.net/yearview/index.html to see what I mean. What I would like is for the calendar table to be horizontally scrollable inside Tapes due

[WSG] Can we 'font-size-adjust' anything anywhere?

2005-05-25 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Font-size is still an issue, even if we agree to disagree about most of it. :-) The 'font-size' vs. 'font-family' can, and do, create some really wild results across the web, and 'font-size-adjust' doesn't seem to work anywhere -- or does it? (Opera 8 - CSS - font-size-adjust = not implemented)

Re: [WSG] Best way to train someone in css and web standards

2005-05-23 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Cole Kuryakin - x7m wrote: My plan is to get them completely compeletely trained in these areas before letting them dive into any real project development. A few thoughts about basic learning: No books and training-methods can beat the time-factor. The learning-curve is steep, and no one can

Re: [WSG] Different styles for different browsers?

2005-05-23 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Gregory Alan Gross wrote: Is it possible to create a separate style sheet with different style rules for individual browsers to enable it to display a site in a uniform manner? See: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/condcom.html ... for the best way to feed IE/win separate stylesheet(s), through

Re: [WSG] CSS Hack?

2005-05-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Cb2 Web Design wrote: It is a empty comment hack: html/**/body selector, that seems to be applied only by I.E. 6.x http://www.cb2web.com/tut_csshack.shtml Haven't seen that variant in the wild yet. My general response to this, and any hack, is in the headlines and start-paragraphs on this

Re: [WSG] Site check - lastminute.com

2005-05-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Thierry Koblentz wrote: In most browsers, there is no way to know how the page would print. ... There is a way: 'testing', but I agree on that browsers don't do their print-job the same way. Think Gecko is worst on print-jobs at the moment. We also have no idea about print-setups around, since

Re: [WSG] Site check - lastminute.com

2005-05-20 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Tom Livingston wrote: I guess where I am going with this is that, IMO, no one here is wrong. The _vast_ majority of users are going to see the site as intended, and those who are not happy with the text size have the ability to change it to suit them. If a user needs larger type due to low

Re: [WSG] Site check - lastminute.com

2005-05-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Romily Jones wrote: The BBC's site is a good guide -- they did tons of usability research, ... They did, but the latest update I could find is more than 2 years old. http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/css.shtml ...not all of it made good read today, although I didn't see anything

Re: [WSG] cross-platform font consistency

2005-05-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Scott Reston wrote: http://www.capstrat.com/development/ncac/template-home.html) I've tried defining the text with a pixel size: font-size: 9px; and with a relative size: font-size: .75em; (the body container is set at 76%) But both attempts yield similar results - on mac browsers, the menu is

Re: [WSG] Site check - lastminute.com

2005-05-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Felix Miata wrote: You might say but the text looks too big if I just leave it like that. Make it smaller then. But *in your browser*. As idealistic as it sounds, the devil's advocate counter question: are you going to tell every single user of your site to do that in

Re: [WSG] search field image alignment

2005-05-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Kvnmcwebn wrote: .fimg{ _padding: 0px 0px 0px 0px; padding: 0px 0px 5px 0px; } That's the wrong sequence. IE won't get it. Try this instead: .fimg{ padding: 0 0 5px 0; _padding: 0; } regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The

Re: [WSG] hooked floating divs

2005-05-07 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Richard Lake wrote: http://www.pricklypair.co.nz/products.php All of the images are inserted in a floating div. When one of the floating divs in the line is taller than the last one on the line the next floating div seems to get hooked up on the longer one. Can anyone suggest another way of

Re: [WSG] liquid 3-column layout - my head is spinning

2005-05-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
soft tester wrote: Is there any standard for browsers like web standards ? Think that was the idea behind W3C standards -- originally. Is there Any idea to standardise web browser lik web standard websites or limit the browser to solve these web standard problems? None working. regards

Re: [WSG] IE CSS Gap Problem? Anybody have a solution?

2005-05-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Josef Dunne wrote: Does anybody know why this is happening in IE? It's reserving space for something that isn't there. http://dev.blumedia.co.uk/pp/ li {display: inline;} regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] liquid 3-column layout - my head is spinning

2005-05-04 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Thierry Koblentz wrote: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins/ FYI: The ALA's article doesn't mention a few things: - links inside the right column appear not to be clickable in Opera 6, - there are background painting problems in IE, - there is one structural hack missing from the

Re: [WSG] liquid 3-column layout - my head is spinning

2005-05-04 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Lea de Groot wrote: But, as always, log file results drive the testing. Sounds pretty counter-productive to me, but I guess it makes economical sense in the short run -- and preserves status quo. Pity I never read log files. I'm too busy -- testing for new bugs. ;-) regards Georg --

Re: [WSG] Mystery connection of css and non-liquid design

2005-05-02 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: Something I find really strange is that a lot of people who put emphasis on Web Standards suddenly found their way back to non-liquid, 800px, centered design. I am wondering why that is? Makes me wonder too. :-) I find this amazing: when I browse the web

Re: [WSG] Firefox bug?

2005-05-01 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Matt Thommes wrote: I experience this vertical line problem quite a bit. It only happens on my Mac - using Firefox. I think the original problem was _horizontal lines_ on backgrounds on a vertically aligned image-gallery. The fix was 'display: table;' I think, but that's a case by case solution

Re: [WSG] Firefox bug?

2005-04-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
designer wrote: Perhaps you are right and I should ignore it. However, it is unsightly, as you can see if you look at the jpg screen grab I've put at: http://www.treyarnon.fsworld.co.uk/wg/FFbug.jpg I see, but that's Firefox messing up the /background on top of background/. I couldn't see that

Re: [WSG] Fake Horizontal Frames Layout

2005-04-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Peter J. Farrell wrote: I'm newer to CSS then I'd like to admit, but I was wondering if it is possible to create a layout that consists of three content areas (Think about a 3-column layout turned 90 degrees). You've got plenty of fun waiting for you up the CSS-road. :-) Something like:

Re: [WSG] Firefox bug?

2005-04-29 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
designer wrote: I have been trying to produce a gallery thing without using a table, and my test file has four images in a vertical column. It all seems fine, except in FF1.0, where the second and fourth images display several dashed lines across the image.

Re: [WSG] To float or not to float

2005-04-25 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Hope Stewart wrote: ... What, if any, are the advantages and/or disadvantages of (1) floating neither column compared to (2) floating one column? Sample CSS: ... Absolute positioning of larger parts of a page, is *not* recommended. Only elements with fixed dimensions, in an environment of fixed

Re: [WSG] Re: [Repost] 4 px gap in Safari and Gecko based browsers

2005-04-25 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
tee wrote: Sorry, realized I got the url wrong. Here is the right one: http://www.clients.lotusseeds.com/catering_new.html Simple fix: #intro {line-height: 0;} Note also: LOCATION is too high up in Opera. Some adjustments needed to top of that list. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no

Re: [WSG] UTF-8

2005-04-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Dean Jackson wrote: The only time I use them is when I'm on a keyboard/system where I don't know how to enter the character, such as å. I'd type aring; in this case. PS. Hopefully the W3C i18n guru Richard is listening and will tell everyone if I'm wrong. I'll second that... Can someone actually

Re: [WSG] UTF-8

2005-04-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jan Brasna wrote: - Half of the Norwegian sites I visit in a day are full of question-marks--until I actively change encoding, and change it again, and again... Hmm, we here in CZ use Latin2 or CP1250, everyone uses proper charset headers, so no problem with this. You hit one of the usual

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

2005-04-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
InfoForce Services (Angus MacKinnon) wrote: This brings up a question. How effective are Skip navigation links? I have heard that half the people do not understand what skip navigation links are. I design web sites to get to the main content or with very few links until the main content. I'm in

Re: [WSG] UTF-8

2005-04-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Anders Nawroth wrote: What characters needs encoding into numeric entities when using UTF-8? I try to avoid entities with exception for ' Look for some answers here: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html ...so I don't have to give incomplete answers about something I'm not an

Re: [WSG] device independence

2005-04-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rachel Radford wrote: Is there a web site or an accurate way of 'testing' websites on PDA's and cell phones if you don't have access to them? Not really. Too many non-standards around... There is a real standard: 'media handheld', but support for it is sketchy to non-existent for most

Re: [WSG] IE three pixel bug has beaten me

2005-04-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: This is the second time I am coming across the IE three pixel bug, but this time it really got me: Only temporarily... http://www.addictivemedia.com.au/clients/gta/home2.html Try killing a float-bug with a float: #home_right {margin: 0; float: left;} ...

Re: Subject: Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-17 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
David Laakso wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 07:04:57 +0200, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IE6 will go into quirks mode if there's anything above the DTD in our source-code. We may put a comment or whatever up there at the top, but I use an ***xml prolog***. Yes, there's an error

Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-17 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Richard, you wrote: I think the decision has more to do with maximising the expectation that your design will appear the same on any browser than to do with the features that are available. Also allowing that expectation to continue as standards and browsers move forward and browsers implement

Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-16 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Foster, Raymond W wrote: Also, IE6's handling of keyword font sizes in standards mode is consistent with other modern browsers. IE6 in quirks mode (and IE 5.5) renders keyword-defined font sizes a step larger than most other browsers. Yes, IE6 handle a few things _differently_ in standard and

Re: Subject: Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-16 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Tim White wrote: ... It looked almost like the 3px jog bug, but since I wasn't using boxes, floats and the like that wasn't it. Thanks Tim. (no further details needed :-) ) Have a few cases in my internal archive that sounds like that one. Some of these cases are solved by changing mode, but that

Re: [WSG] Problem with floating heights

2005-04-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive made a little demo site, that shows my problem clearly http://www.tres.dk/test I want the container div to follow the heights of the floating elements, #left and #right In Internet Explorer it does, but not in Firefox, Opera, Safair or any other browser. The height

Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
russ - maxdesign wrote: How about correct rendering of the box model? I'm aware of the box-model issue. That's why I linked to a W3C-page where this is explained in simplest terms. http://www.w3.org/International/articles/serving-xhtml/ Now, my question again - rephrased: are there anything IE6

Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
designer wrote: ... Not sure what it is you're looking for . . . Basically everything that differs so much between standard and quirks mode in IE6 that using standard mode results in less code and simpler and more robust solutions than using quirks mode. -- Kornel Lesinski wrote: Right-aligned

Re: [WSG] zindex

2005-04-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Alan Trick wrote: Hi, I've been playing around with positioning and z-index and I'm wondering if it is possible to give a containing box higher z-index that it's children. As far as I have been able to tell, ( in firefox/opera ) it doesn't work. I have a ul with a background:transparent

Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: I am interested in people's thoughts about using quirks mode (ie adding ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? before the doctype) vs standards mode. Think we had a similar discussion a few months back... It is recommended to use the xml-prolog with xhtml1.0, and it _is only_

Re: [WSG] link one style sheet from another

2005-04-13 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Kvnmcwebn wrote: Is it ever helpful to link one style sheet from another using @ import? It may save you from having to link in additional stylesheets from each of maybe a hundred pages or more. It really depends on how you organize your stylesheets and your sites. I always @import extra

Re: [WSG] IE, margin: 0 auto - does work???

2005-04-08 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Chris Stratford wrote: Sorry I should also say that the text-align in the parent element is NO center. Thats why I am so suprised its working! But IE seems to understand margin: 0 auto; IE6 always has -- when in standard mode. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no

Re: [WSG] position:absolute in IE

2005-04-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Thierry Koblentz wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_1.html Basically it is this: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins/ This technique uses negative margins too, but does not require structural hacks for clearing, and I believe it has better browsers

Re: [WSG] position:absolute in IE

2005-04-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Thierry Koblentz wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: http://www.gunlaug.no/homesite/main_7_b.html Hi Georg, You're floating the right column and you have a few structural hacks for clearing in there. Did you try without floating it? I had much better result that way. Then, the *only* browser

Re: [WSG] position:absolute in IE

2005-04-04 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Alan Trick wrote: That's what I had, but AFAIK, you can't have the page resize to fit the viewport without absolute/fixed positioning (unless you use a screwy js hack). If you could prove me wrong I would be very greatful. Personally I dislike absolute positioning. David Laakso wrote: Looks

Re: [WSG] help with IE 3-pixel bug

2005-04-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Gallagher, Robin wrote: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~persia/final/test.html The background image in the floated right column is being affected by the IE 3-pixel bug. I would go for the simplest solution: #rightColumn {_width:202px;_margin-left: -2px;} ...that'll fix IE6. Then I would try a proper

Re: [WSG] style attribute depreciated in xhtml 1.1?

2005-03-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Alan Trick wrote: I just found you that the style attribute is depreciated in xhtml 1.1. Does this mean that it will eventually be obolete? If so, what do they expect us to do for inline styles because it doesn't always make sense to have everything in an external style sheet. Well, unless

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