Re: [WSG] Firefox screen-reader emulator

2004-12-07 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kay Smoljak wrote: There's a number of different screenreaders available for testing. Here's some others: Window-Eyes (demo version): http://www.gwmicro.com/demo/index.php Simply Web 2000 (free): http://www.econointl.com/sw/ JAWS (demo version): http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/softwar

Re: [WSG] No skipping to content needed?

2004-12-07 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ben Curtis wrote: A lot of people put an in-page anchor at the top to "skip navigation" or "skip to main content." Are there any hidden gotchas with simply putting the navigation last and positioning it first? With all the discussion about whether content or navigation first is better for the b

Re: [WSG] a quick target question

2004-12-07 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Veine K Vikberg wrote: So it's not WAI that's unforgiving, but Bobby in its miopic application of the guidelines (which are, at this stage, already quite out of date in many areas such as the one discussed here). There is really a quite simple solution, which is what you s

Re: [WSG] a quick target question

2004-12-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Paul Novitski wrote: You can find an excellent introduction to scripting events on Peter-Paul Koch's http://www.quirksmode.org/ Another excellant resource is Unobtrusive Javascript (http://www.onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/) **

Re: [WSG] Semantic Breadcrumbs

2004-12-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick Lauke wrote: ...and discussing the finer points of semantics in a markup language as coarse and unsuitable as HTML ends up being a tad futile Futile? Perhaps sometimes. Though I must admit, when there is a good reason to do so (what's a "good reason" is admittedly subjective) I find spli

Re: [WSG] Semantic Breadcrumbs

2004-12-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kevin Futter wrote: "Less important" doesn't mean "not important." Exactly, which is why I didn't say "not important" ... ...which is a reason why it is unlike a sentence. The words of a sentence need their organization within the sentence to be useful. You can slice it and dice it however y

Re: [WSG] Semantic Breadcrumbs

2004-12-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kevin Futter wrote: I see breadcrumbs as a complete unit - just as a file path is a complete unit; take out a component and you render it useless. Breadcrumbs and sentences are both whole units, but units of what? Since their component parts are of a different nature, the resulting mark-up shoul

Re: [WSG] Semantic Breadcrumbs

2004-12-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Rick Faaberg wrote: If you leave any "nodes" out, you've lost your way. That's because your missing information; however, each individual link is unchanged. Again, a word isn't very useful outside the context of a sentence, however a link is just as useful. -- No virus found in this outgoing me

Re: [WSG] Semantic Breadcrumbs

2004-12-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: Mordechai, according to your explanation a breadcrumb is not a list, as you cannot simply take any of the items out of a breadcrumb. Each item in a breadcrumb is closely related to the preceeding item. Except I also said "the order of an ordered list imparts

Re: [WSG] Semantic Breadcrumbs

2004-12-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kevin Futter wrote: Yes, breadcrumb elements are strongly related in exactly the same way that sentence elements (i.e. words) are; and sentences can be rendered with precise meaning even if some words are omitted (prepositions, conjunctions, most adverbs, many adjectives). Not at all in the same wa

Re: [WSG] Advert Banner, no validation.

2004-12-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Genau Junior wrote: The problem is that even thought i put the ampersands, the code isn´t validate, becouse the generator of advert, generates dinmic url ´s, whithout my control. Can anyone help me how i can fix this problem and validate my code using ampersands generated by advertpro? Besides

Re: [WSG] Semantic Breadcrumbs

2004-12-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kevin Futter wrote: I don't buy the argument that breadcrumbs *have to be* structured as lists. Why? Because they're not a collection of loosely-related list items, like a shopping list or such; rather, a unit of breadcrumbs collectively delineates a *path* to a resource (without resorting to conve

Re: [WSG] thoughts on semantics and archives

2004-12-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: 3 pieces of information per item, so a table is probably the most appropriate way of marking this up. While in theory you are probably right, practically speaking, a list is easier to style. For example: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";> http://www.w3.

Re: [WSG] Semantic Breadcrumbs

2004-12-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Richard Spence wrote: In my opinion a simple string of would work just fine. The information that you are trying to display is not really a list. I strongly disagree. Breadcrumbs are most definitely a list of links; they're even normally represented as a horizontal list. A list, according to "

Re: [WSG] NN4 - Anyone Care?

2004-12-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Marilyn Langfeld wrote: What I've read is that large companies/institutions that still use Windows NT 4 also use NN4. That seems to be the problem, and these large installations don't want to update since they have fewer virus, worm, adware, etc. problems. The old "if it's not broke, don't fix i

Re: [WSG] Fieldset and no form

2004-12-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Cb2 Web Design wrote: I have a doubt: Is it correct to use fieldset (and legend) without a form, like you can see at the page below? http://www.euroaccessibility.org/tf3_doc/EACTF3TestableStatements.html Surprisingly, the W3C's validator doesn't pick it up, however, the page has so many well-form

Re: [WSG] New Standards Compliant Website

2004-12-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jixor - Stephen I wrote: If you wish to use absolute sizes it is fairly acceptable so long as you supply an alternate style, however the best option is relative size. I tend to disagree, as do all the accessibility experts and guidelines of which I'm aware. From my own personal experience, most

Re: [WSG] 4 column css template

2004-12-03 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: template that is fixed and centred as in - i.e. one that will resize properly to 800x600 resolution. Which is it, fixed or fluid (resizes)? Does anyone know where I can find a decent 4 column css template to use? You might find something at http://css-discuss.incutio.com/

Re: [WSG] New Standards Compliant Website

2004-12-03 Thread Mordechai Peller
Chris Stratford wrote: http://inspiro.neester.com/ Click on ABOUT. In IE the content panel seems to overlap the whole nav panel too... I checked out http://inspiro.neester.com/about-us.html in IE6 and it looked OK at first glance, but I found a major flaw when I tried to resize the font: you spe

Re: [WSG] designing for the cell phone and PDA

2004-12-02 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ted Drake wrote: Is there anyone out there that has had some success building a style sheet to make their web site look good on a pocket pc or cell phone? I'd like to add this feature to our site but I haven't had much luck. A recent article at ALA talked about it. (http://alistapart.com/articl

Re: [WSG] "Code" or "Markup"

2004-12-02 Thread Mordechai Peller
Rimantas Liubertas wrote: 20 So and constitute data. 20 - somehow describes the very same data that is: and . While, yes, 20 can be said to describe "price", it is more accurate to say that "price" and "EUR" describes 20. ** The discussion lis

Re: [WSG] Is it Standard ?

2004-12-02 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: It's perfectly valid (even up to XHTML 1.1)! If you use of instead of , it's valid even in XHTML2. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hi

Re: [WSG] "Code" or "Markup"

2004-12-02 Thread Mordechai Peller
Rimantas Liubertas wrote: And if XML is data,what is inside XML tags? Anyway, this is waaay off-toppic. A discription of the data. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for s

Re: [WSG] "Code" or "Markup"

2004-12-02 Thread Mordechai Peller
What's in a name? Read this and find out: http://computerworld.com/departments/opinions/sharktank/0,4885,97840,00.html ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints

Re: [WSG] "Code" or "Markup"

2004-12-02 Thread Mordechai Peller
Nick Lo wrote: During development when referring to HTML (and perhaps CSS) with a client do you use the term "code" or the more pedantically correct, though perhaps less recognised, term "markup" ? My own preference is: XHTML -- mark-up CSS -- styling JavaScript, PHP, etc... -- code *

Re: [WSG] Lineup divs without using left and right?

2004-11-30 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: remember that the above is also true for other browsers if margin, padding and border are anything but zero (in the correct box model) In Firefox, last I checked, 5x(1%+18%+1%) will equal 100%, so margins, etc, aren't a problem if you account for them.

Re: [WSG] display image problem

2004-11-30 Thread Mordechai Peller
greg harrington wrote: Hi, this is the first time here so I hope i do thinks right. I have as part of a student group written a website for the school i work at. I'm using IE6 and the site displays images in 800 by 600 fine but in 1024 by 768 the image displays a bit to the left until i hit refresh

Re: [WSG] Lineup divs without using left and right?

2004-11-30 Thread Mordechai Peller
mike bailey wrote: I am currently messing around, and writing a simple template, and was wondering if there is a way to lineup 5 divs on a single line without using the left and right css properties. In other words, you don't want to use absolute positioning. How's about: .fiveInRow { float : l

Re: [WSG] A web standards group survey

2004-11-30 Thread Mordechai Peller
russ - maxdesign wrote: We are interested in getting your feedback about the Web Standards Group. Your question on standards left out DOM. Unfortunately, I didn't realize it until after I had finished. ** The discussion list for http://websta

Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List

2004-11-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Peter Firminger wrote: Is a list with one item really a list? Yes absolutely. If there is one person in a room and you are asked to list the names of the people in the room then the list will have one name. Your example work because there's an unknown number. In cases where there's only on

Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List

2004-11-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Chris Kennon wrote: Should I use in-line xml and change the dtd? Or is this fast becoming an RSS issue? OK, RSS is also a standard, so it's still on topic. Now let's say that you use XSLT to transform it into XHTML: What mark-up should you use? This question basically brings us back to where thi

Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List

2004-11-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Another interpretation (that I assumed when I first read M's post) is that it seems contrary to semantics to have date emphasised. If the em is only used for visual styling, it should be replaced by pure styling markup (such as adding a class instead). If something truly i

Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List

2004-11-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Peter Firminger wrote: Definition lists are entirely appropriate for any name/value set and are quite different to other (ordered and unordered) lists. A div is far less semantically appropriate IMHO. I tend to agree, though sometimes it seems like lists are becoming the new tables. Before a d

Re: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX?

2004-11-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Sam Hutchinson wrote: yeah it works on my slave machine running sp1, but I tend not to have that connected, as it will just get eaten by the web (yours is still alive?). Besides avoiding using IE, having a good firewall helps. Personally, I've been happy with Sygate. **

Re: [WSG] WordPress & Overriding CSS layout issue

2004-11-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: This will do: That is: you need a clearer at the bottom to make Moz expand the container and its background. You can do it without any additional mark-up. See: http://positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html ** The di

Re: [WSG] Includes in XHTML

2004-11-28 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jonathan T. Sage wrote: #Convert all the 's to ::ABBA:: (a rather unlikly string) As I recall, ABBA the name of a popular band in the 70's (http://www.abbasite.com/). Then again, there's also the American Bed and Breakfast Association (http://www.abba.com/). Maybe you should use &_br; since

Re: [WSG] CSS Footer

2004-11-28 Thread Mordechai Peller
Vicki Berry wrote: Seems you have to sacrifice a browser or two whichever way you choose to go There's no need to "sacrifice" a browser, just the effect in a browser. (I suspect that's what you meant, but just in case...) ** The discussion list f

Re: [WSG] Includes in XHTML

2004-11-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jonathan T. Sage wrote: I was wondering if there is an easy way to tell the browser to render just a section of the page in a HTML4 mode, to avoid it bombing out. You could use an object tag, but it would suffer from most of the negatives of an iframe. If you choose to have PHP parse the HTML, as

Re: [WSG] Validation and Accessibility Reports out side of the W3C

2004-11-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
Mark Harwood wrote: Now we have just run a SiteMore.com check on part of the development site and it has come back kicking and screaming at us as we are using WIDTH and HEIGHT on 's and ALIGN on 's It shouldn't be that difficult to write a small program to go through the files and whenever it

Re: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature

2004-11-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
Derek Featherstone wrote: As for using onkeypress, if the "validators" (by which I assume you mean Bobby, et al) then, they need to get a clue. The automated tool is only there to help, not to be the final arbiter of what is and isn't accessible. Another solution is not to use in-line JavaScript. U

Re: [WSG] CSS Footer

2004-11-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
Lawrence Carriere wrote: Note the footer. I want it to be the same height and width and always on the bottom (no matter how much content there is). With CSS, it's simple: {position : fixed; bottom : 0;} The problem is you-know-who doesn't support it. So you second choice is JavaScript. IIRC, ALA h

Re: [WSG] It's so frustrating. Webstandars, accesibility and Firefox as a sales argument.

2004-11-25 Thread Mordechai Peller
Bert Doorn wrote: It's also frustrating to get emails with microscopic text (accessibility issue). Text/plain please? Both Thunderbird and Firefox allow you to set the minimum font size. Accessibility fighting back! As far as your dilemma goes - don't lower your standards (pun intended) for t

Re: [WSG] Careers in web standards

2004-11-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
Natalie Buxton wrote: While Web Standards and Accessibility are often practiced together, they are not entirely the same speciallty. While that's technically true, it's not a coincidence that those interested in Standards are also interested in accessibility: the two complements each other ver

[WSG] Mac IE (and Safari, too) testing on a PC and emulator info.

2004-11-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
As the only proper way to test to to actually run the software (screen shots don't help much with JavaScript), and while any standards based code which works properly in Firefox stands a good chance of also working in Safari, IE, on the other hand (surprise, surprise) isn't quite such a sure th

Re: [WSG] Careers in web standards

2004-11-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ryan Nichols wrote: It seems like as more and more companies adopt a forward thinking view of web development, this skillset will be a hot commodity. My hunch is that the door leading to mass adoption of Web standards will be labeled "Accessibility". There have already been at least three cases

Re: [WSG] Careers in web standards

2004-11-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
Andrew Thompson wrote: I always pitch an ROI for CSS on a bandwidth I've heard of a number of cases where the expected drop in bandwidth didn't materialize... ...BECAUSE USAGE WENT UP TO COMPENSATE!!! Now that's an ROI even the clueless can sink their teeth into! *

Re: [WSG] placing a footer flush to th bottom of page with css

2004-11-23 Thread Mordechai Peller
Sam - SS29 wrote: www.inisbua.co.uk/v2/index.php A couple of quick problems I noticed: 1. 2. No character encoding. Ideally, this should be sent by the server, but using a tag is also valid. An alternate method of having the server send them is by having php set some of the headers. I found t

Re: [WSG] pt, em and ex

2004-11-14 Thread Mordechai Peller
Mary Krieger wrote: - The point (pt) size tells the printer how big is the distance from the top of the ascender to the bottom of the descender for that font. - An em is equal to the height of the font being used ( or in other words the point size). It is used to set the widths and height of oth

Re: [WSG] Differences between IE5.5 on 98 and XP?

2004-11-02 Thread Mordechai Peller
Sam Hutchinson wrote: The reason is that its IE ! Reason enough ! Would be hard to tell without looking at it directly. Fair enough, though while we're at it, I'd also like to know how the site looks on a Mac. What the client saw: http://testing.pellerweb.com/october/screenshot.gif The html: http

Re: [WSG] Differences between IE5.5 on 98 and XP?

2004-11-02 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jens Grochtdreis wrote: Does your layout work with Conditional Comments? Yes, in order to avoid hacks in my main style sheet. If that's the case, you won#t recognize the correct layout in your standalone IE5.5, because of the wrong CC-information it gets from the installed IE6. I'm aware of that,

[WSG] Differences between IE5.5 on 98 and XP?

2004-11-02 Thread Mordechai Peller
After tweaking a layout to get it to look the same (not necessarily pixel perfect, though) in Firefox, IE6, and IE5, the client reviews it and tells me there is a problem in IE5.5. After seeing the screen shot (I don't think I fully believed it before that), I looked for a possible source. The

Re: [WSG] Stadards Site Section

2004-10-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Small modification: use popWindow(this.href) to refer back to the A element's HREF attribute. This way, if you change the href at some point, you won't have to remember to change the javascript as well, as it will automatically pick it up... I had forgotten about that tri

Re: [WSG] Stadards Site Section

2004-10-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
Chris Kennon wrote: It doesn't keep page count down after thinking about it, can you direct me to the correct solution you alluded to. First and foremost, start with a plain link: http://other.domain.com/";>Someplace else. Then, and only then, (if you must) assign to the node's onclick property

Re: [WSG] Semantic indentation

2004-10-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
Bryan Garnett-Law wrote: This is my code for indenting text after the first line .indent { text-indent: -2em; margin: 0 2em;} .indent:first-line { text-indent: 2em; } I thought of using :first-line, too, as well as a combo of sibling and child selectors, but in both cases you-know-who doesn't supp

Re: [WSG] Help: IE text hiding behind float

2004-10-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ben Stockdale wrote: This is my first attempt at a full css layout and to my surprise it seems to test ok on most browsers, apart from the later versions of IE where some of the text hides underneath the floated image. http://stockdale.id.au/ggg/ I haven't moved the css external yet whilst testing

Re: [WSG] Semantic indentation

2004-10-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
Joshua Street wrote: What's the recommended practice with indentation? You can use CSS to indent text with padding and whatever else, but that's a pain if you have a sitewide CSS file, and the text to be indented doesn't sit in any defining container Why doesn't it "sit in any defining container

Re: [WSG] Stadards Site Section

2004-10-23 Thread Mordechai Peller
Chris Kennon wrote: I dread the use of JS pop up windows, but would like to keep the page count down, Besides being potentially inaccessible to those without JavaScript (unless done correctly) or XP SP2, and annoying to those where it does function (again, depending on how and where it's done)

Re: [WSG] CSS - How the max size of a .css file

2004-10-20 Thread Mordechai Peller
Genau Junior wrote: I would like to know, how is the max size of a .css file for a website... 30kb , for example, is a accetable css file size? While I don't have a technical answer to your question, I suspect it will vary from one browser to the next. From a practical standpoint, however, if y

Re: [WSG] Floatutorial form positioning trouble

2004-10-20 Thread Mordechai Peller
Adam Carmichael wrote: I'm having some trouble with the (near idiot proof) 2 column Floatutorial. I have a form I'm building at: http://demo.home.carneeki.net This behaviour is only apparent in IE. The HTML and CSS have passed validation. Since it's only "near idiot prof," and idiot can still b

Re: [WSG] how so I stop all the postings coming to my email box?

2004-10-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
Chris Stratford wrote: It's a standard that only members get :-) Still not right. Try: .secret {display : none;} It's a standard that only members get :-) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.or

Re: [WSG] Zeroing default padding/margin

2004-10-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
russ - maxdesign wrote: You may have been thinking about CSS-Discuss where it came up recently: And Webmasterworld: Thanks Russ. It must have been the css-d thread since looking back I see that I read it and since the Webmasterworld reference was my postI guess I got the line height addition

Re: [WSG] Zeroing default padding/margin

2004-10-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Nick Lo wrote: I was just reading the article excerpted below and was curious as to how many on the list have used this technique of initially setting all padding and margins to 0 and if so how successful was it? I remember reading a similar suggestion a while back (I don't remember where) whic

Re: [WSG] Validator error

2004-10-17 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Well, I tried recreating a simple document like the one you describe, with missing ALT attribute on the image...but can't seem to reproduce the slew of errors you're reporting. Any chance you can upload the broken page so we can have a look if there's anything specific to

[WSG] Validator error

2004-10-17 Thread Mordechai Peller
Let me start by saying that I have enough experience with syntax checker to know that the error message doesn't always point to the right place and that one error can generate many messages. But that being said, I think this one takes the cake. The DOCTYPE was set to XHTML 1.0 STRICT and the page h

Re: [WSG] screen resolution and standards

2004-09-25 Thread Mordechai Peller
Lea de Groot wrote: Yes, speculation is useless. One of my clients, for the month of August shows the follow figures in their logs: Count | % of screen used by window Interesting, but you're missing a critical piece of data. Without knowing what their resolution is at 100%, the value of the

Re: [WSG] start attribute deprecated in XHTML 1.0 Strict and up.

2004-09-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
Nick Lo wrote: COASTAL DEVELOPMENT 4. Mayor Casts Doubt Over Magnetic Is Report (Great Barrier Reef) 5. Hope for Maldives Rises from the Sea (Maldives) ...and looking at the how of doing that; I came up with something. While it's not perfect, it works. li{ mar

Re: [WSG] Fake link, All JS, or CSS+Conditional Comments?

2004-09-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Andrew Krespanis wrote: Opinions? Oh, we've all got lots of those... That's what I was hoping for (even though it'll be to late for my current project). Personally, I'd go with number 3. (Is this a SimpleQuiz? Do we get a book :D) The similarity to a "Simple Quiz" did occur to me. As far as

Re: [WSG] Fake link, All JS, or CSS+Conditional Comments?

2004-09-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kristof Neirynck wrote: You've got php, right? Sorry, but your answer is irrelevant as it completely ignores my question. I wasn't asking "HOW" to make it work. I am already skilled in CSS, JavaScript, and PHP and the methods suggested by the evolt article are good for a beginner, but I find

[WSG] Empty DT's?

2004-09-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Related to my last thread (Fake link,...), I'm debating which is the better choice: using a consistent framework, but have an (usually) empty dt, or use a ul for the top level? Here's what the code would look like: * Opt1 Sub-Menu Heading Opt2 Opt2a

[WSG] Fake link, All JS, or CSS+Conditional Comments?

2004-09-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
I'm building an expanding menu and I'm trying to decide the best route to take. The idea is that by clicking on an item it will either be a link or open the sub-menu. The problem come in for the sub-menu headings and IE's lack of support for :hover. So here are the options: 1) Heading; 2) Headi

Re: [WSG] Duplicate buttons

2004-08-28 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: well, imagine the user has a screenreader or braille display and is tabbing through the form . they end up on the first submit button, and have no way of knowing that there's more after that button, so they submit it at the first intermediate step...not good. That's not a

Re: [WSG] Duplicate buttons

2004-08-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
Taco Fleur wrote: I have been putting duplicate buttons on one form when its a long form, so the user does not have to scroll. I have been told its not good for accessibility, what's the go? While the duplication does reduce accessibility/usability in some ways, but it also adds in others. IMO, t

Re: [WSG] Can someone help me figure out some semantic mark-up, please?

2004-08-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
Seona Bellamy wrote: Hi guys, I'm hoping that this doesn't count as off topic, but I need some help figuring out the best way to mark up a section of code. Category - Subcategory - Section - Product - Product - Product - Section - Product - Product - Subcategory - Section - Pr

Re: [WSG] Re: PHP and XHTML 1.0 Strict

2004-08-26 Thread Mordechai Peller
east wrote: There is an issue with session generation through a web form and validation. Automatically creating a session that is to be passed through a POST creates a hidden input field directly after the first form tag. Since in XHTML, a requires that a block level element (like fieldset) e

Re: [WSG] PHP and XHTML 1.0 Strict

2004-08-25 Thread Mordechai Peller
Steven Clark wrote: Mmm, interesting.The validator can't see the php, I know, but pull the php off the page and it validates as strict, while put it on the page and it doesn't! Cut and paste the code off the page for yourself into a blank page and run it, you'll see it validates perfectly. Its t

Re: [WSG] Unaccessible - NY Attorney General busts two big name sites

2004-08-20 Thread Mordechai Peller
Hill, Tim wrote: Wow, that's big, can't believe they had to pay $40,000 that's huge. Relative to the size of the companies, it's not that big; however, it is big enough not to ignore and for other companies to sit up and take notice. The bottom line is that this could be very good for business--o

Re: [WSG] Lists and Opera

2004-08-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Razvan Pop wrote: I am having some problems with lists in Opera. Looks fine in IE and Firefox. The URL: http://work.insoft.ro/ THE CSS: http://work.insoft.ro/stiluri/astraroger.css Taking an educated guess, it looks like it stems from Opera's alternate handling of floated elements without a spe

Re: [WSG] Spacing Between Paragraphs

2004-08-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Audano, Chris wrote: I’m new to CSS and I’m having difficulties trying to make two paragraphs look as one (without extra line spacing). I have a graphic to the left with a title “Contacts” to the right of the graphic. I would like the “Contact Name” to go directly under the title “Contacts” wit

Re: [WSG] Trouble converting over my old CSS/HTML site over to CSS/XHTML standards

2004-08-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jim Barricks wrote: (Have corrected all that but the problem remains. :( (Forgot to add this to my last message.) Also, you're use of is incorrect. You should either use a or just style the directly (since it's already block level). * The disc

Re: [WSG] Trouble converting over my old CSS/HTML site over to CSS/XHTML standards

2004-08-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jim Barricks wrote: (Have corrected all that but the problem remains. :( At least we now know what we're *not* dealing with. The XHTML/CSS written by the JavaScript is invalid. Both are case sensitive. While most browsers will still work with upper/mixed case, the CSS probably won't. Class names

Re: [WSG] Trouble converting over my old CSS/HTML site over to CSS/XHTML standards

2004-08-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jim Barricks wrote: I'm in the process of converting over my old CSS/HTML site over to CSS/XHTML standards and trying to validate. On this page I have an watermark ad on the right side which works perfectly on: http://www.barricksinsurance.com/jokes_OLD.html But when I change the DOCTYPE from "D

Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Brian Cummiskey wrote: ALL software will have holes in it. Fact is, mozilla had a patch for it the same day practically In most cases, unless you follow security issues very closely, it's likely you'll hear about the fix before the bug. ... IE's exploits go weeks, and most the time, months. ...i

Re: Thread closed Re: [WSG] Search Tool

2004-07-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Lea de Groot wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 03:29:51 +, amer amer wrote: I am a beginner in HTML and CSS, I need to include a Search Tool (by entering a keyword to search inside my website) in my new website, does anyone help me in that? Amer, Thats not an on-topic post for this forum. Pl

Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Adam Hennessy wrote: Isn't it amusing that developers using web standards have to support the browsers. In an ideal world it would be the other way around It does "sound" backwards, however I disagree with the "ideal world" part because I think it make logical sense. It's the standard backwards

Re: [WSG] Submenu bug in FireFox...

2004-07-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Mark Harwood wrote: Right, im playing with an "Elastic" Menu system built apon Nested &'s Now i know this would be frowned apon probelry! But im open to a better way in doing it? Semantically, a nested ul is correct. Anyway, back to my bug! On FireFox when you click on the Nav and it opens the

Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is the Firefox browser used by Web Developers? What does it have that makes it a good tool? - over other browsers? Why not Opera? To address the last question first, Opera happens to be a good choice as well, though I think Firefox is better. The two main reason

Re: [WSG] 4-column layout

2004-07-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Miles Tillinger wrote: I've been able to find a few 4-column CSS layouts but they're all either 4x fixed divs or 4x fluid divs. Before I embark on my own voyage of discovery/pain, is there any examples that allow for a mixture of fluid and fixed divs? I've thought a bit about it and I'm envis

Re: [WSG] Web Accessability, SEO, Bookmarking - mod_rewrite

2004-07-26 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kay Smoljak wrote: www.example.com/foo/bar/ rather than www.example.com?foo=bar. In this situation, the relative links no longer make sense But using a leading slash eliminated the need for the . Also, mod_rewrite works fine with relative addressing. When Apache doesn't find the .htaccess file in

Re: [WSG] Web Accessability, SEO, Bookmarking - mod_rewrite

2004-07-26 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kay Smoljak wrote: www.example.com/foo/bar/ rather than www.example.com?foo=bar. In this situation, the relative links no longer make sense But using a leading slash eliminates the need for the . Also, mod_rewrite works fine with relative addressing. When Apache doesn't find the .htaccess file in

Re: [WSG] Web Accessability, SEO, Bookmarking - mod_rewrite

2004-07-25 Thread Mordechai Peller
Anders Nawroth wrote: Chris Stratford wrote: just have the header point to: "styles/sheet.css" Use "/styles/sheet.css". In most cases that's probably best. However, another option is to use mod_rewrite to also adjust the CSS location. It's even possible to have only one main file which takes para

Re: [WSG] Titles Acronyms Abbr etc

2004-07-23 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick Lauke wrote: [C]onsidering that HTML itself has such a kludgey, ambiguous and incomplete set of tags anyway...[e]very acronym could also be marked up as an abbreviation, without losing too much semantic weight... True, and because... IE's lack of real support for abbr is a problem in thi

Re: [WSG] After CSS?

2004-07-23 Thread Mordechai Peller
7 sinz wrote: Im an 19 yer old desinger, with a particular interest in web design. For the last 8 motnhs i've been huddled up in my workspace practising my art learning the ins and out of CSS and pretty much learning the language to a T. Now, it took me a while to get here, but we all got to s

Re: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?

2004-07-23 Thread Mordechai Peller
Lee Roberts wrote: First Labels should not wrap the input. The elements within the Label tag become the label. By wrapping the input with the Label you are stating the input is part of its own Label. That's wrong. Sorry, but that's wrong. Enclosing the input within the label is a prescribed met

Re: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?

2004-07-23 Thread Mordechai Peller
Justin French wrote: Honestly, the most logical way I can see to do this is to have them in three cells of a table row, since at least they'll be associated in a row. 's would also be nice, but they're intended for groupings of form elements, and using them for each text input seems like a loa

Re: [WSG] [Fwd: New XHTML 2.0 draft, HTML/XHTML FAQ, XML Events for HTML Authors]

2004-07-22 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: You could already use them server-side, then transform them to xhtml1.0 or 1.1 before serving them to the client While transforming from XHTML 1.0 or 1.1 is a trivial task, from XHTML 2 to even 1.1 is not so. In some cases there's no equivalent (di), in others there's more

Re: [WSG] [Fwd: New XHTML 2.0 draft, HTML/XHTML FAQ, XML Events for HTML Authors]

2004-07-22 Thread Mordechai Peller
Brian Cummiskey wrote: XHTML 2 draft is out. -- Sixth public Working Draft of XHTML 2.0 is now available at: http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-xhtml2-20040722 In many ways it is as if they went back to what HTML was meant to be, and improved on that, rathe

Re: [WSG] About the standard Price for our website design .

2004-07-21 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Call me overly cautious, but I don't think this is a topic for discussion... http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Acollusion You're overly cautious. There's a huge difference between discussing what goes into setting a price or expressing opinion on what is a valid pric

Re: [WSG] The best way to make a tabbed menu with a dynamic number of items?

2004-07-21 Thread Mordechai Peller
Seona Bellamy wrote: I'm wanting to make a tabbed menu like the one suggested in ALA's Sliding Doors I & II. All well and good, but the menu will be dynamically generated and won't have a fixed number of items - from page to page it will differ. There could be as few as four or as many as 12. There

[WSG] "IE does not have multiple CSS bugs -- just one or two"

2004-07-21 Thread Mordechai Peller
Just read an interesting post at webmasterworld.com by DrDoc. He makes the observation that most of the IE bugs can be solved by either setting display to inline or inline-block. It doesn't help with the box model problem, but then again, that's not a bug. It's an intentionally incorrect render

Re: [WSG] text field size tag

2004-07-14 Thread Mordechai Peller
Justin French wrote: In my opinion, you still need to set a "default" width for the element using the size attribute, for those without CSS. Yes, it will be overridden with CSS for 99% of your browsing audience, but it safer to put *something* in there as default, since you have no idea how a

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