Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

Hassan Schroeder wrote: You can get a certain amount of "information" from a photocopy of a grilled cheese sandwich, but it makes rather a dry meal :-) Absolutely. But this whole thread started with the issue of whether alt text should be optional in HTML5. A photocopy may be a poor, 2-dime

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

On 10 Sep 2007, at 1:24 AM, Hassan Schroeder wrote: Perhaps then you (or anyone adhering to this view) can supply, as an example, a useful description of the cited Rothko? Or maybe one of Jackson Pollock's works? ('No. 5, 1948' might be good) And since art is often intended to prompt an emotio

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

Bob: No amount of descriptive prose will mean anything to to a blind reader. Vlad: I've never heard such sh*t in my life. I've been following this thread with interest, and I have to agree with Vlad (if not with his exact choice of words...). I was waiting to see what kind of response Bob'

Re: [WSG] Firefox bug on CSS white-space property

Julián Landerreche wrote: I have tested this in: - Firefox 2.0.0.6 (both Win and Linux) Hmm. Not convinced that it's a bug; your line-wrapped link appears as you want in FF2.0.0.6/Mac OSX - ? To look at the issue laterally, if your fixed-width table requires that long links wrap, why invo

Re: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

On 23 Aug 2007, at 3:07 AM, David Hucklesby wrote: After all, if I write about the Sheraton Centre in Manhattan, my U.S. spell checker tells me I misspelled "Centre". So do I change the spelling? I think not. Hmm. Interesting example. 'Sheraton Center' is a placename - a proper noun. Have

Re: [WSG] Lower portion of lower case "y" does not appear in h1 in IE7

On 11 Aug 2007, at 10:01 AM, Joyce Evans wrote: When I view the following link (which I’m working on) in IE7, the lower portion of the “y” in the word “Physician” does not appear.  I see the entire “y” in IE 6 and FF 2 but not in IE7.  This text is sitting within an h1 tag within a #title tag

Re: [WSG] opinions on the sale of .com.au domain names

On 9 Aug 2007, at 10:38 AM, WebScience Australia wrote: Please reply with your business name, contact name and hone number, and the answers to the two questions. Offlist, of course, as this is waaay OT... N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ **

Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE

On 17 Jul 2007, at 8:40 PM, Nick Roper wrote: http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that

Re: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x

On 2 Jul 2007, at 6:09 PM, Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: I guess I was hoping to fix the problem(s), rather than just rely on a hack. Other suggestions appreciated. Fair enough, but I'd say your chances of getting the one set of css rules to display correctly in all browsers are pretty slim - es

Re: [WSG] Font-size 62.5% problem

On 2 Jul 2007, at 3:10 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Paul Collins apparently typed: I seem to be having trouble assigning the font-size:62.5% Please note that... Toldja. N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/

Re: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x

Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: 2. If I don't include a dreaded hack in my css (which I'd really like to remove because my style sheet doesn't validate) So use a Conditional Comment - ? N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ***

Re: [WSG] Font-size 62.5% problem

Jermayn Parker wrote: personally I have always had trouble with percentages and hence only use em's Maybe if you switch over to all em's it may help. There's been frequent discussions here in the past on this topic - and the consensus is that ems are good *once* you've set a size on the body

Re: [WSG] scope, cols and colgroups

On 30 Jun 2007, at 6:07 PM, Chris Price wrote: I didn't say I would be happy for it to be invalid but poor design that validates isn't useful. No, you said, ".. so just making it valid or logical may not be my prime concern." The point is, and the reason Philippe pointed out that your code

Re: [WSG] scope, cols and colgroups

On 30 Jun 2007, at 4:11 PM, Stuart Foulstone wrote: Surely you don't mean that ;-) On Sat, June 30, 2007 2:49 am, Chris Price wrote: My thinking was that my real aim is to make the data useful so just making it valid or logical may not be my prime concern. Kind Regards -- Chris Price Yes,

Re: [WSG] Skip to Content?

On 30 Jun 2007, at 11:34 AM, Sander Aarts wrote: My 'skip to' menu is like a map of the page and I believe it benefits more people than it hinders. Can't argue with belief. If it works for you (but more importantly, for your visitors), go for it. But at the risk of presuming to take up Mic

Re: [WSG] Skip to Content?

On 30 Jun 2007, at 9:58 AM, Sander Aarts wrote: > So you don't care at all about the cognitively challenged visitors to your site then? You're challenging me now as I don't have a clue what your talking about. How does adding 'skip links' make a site less usable/accessible for cognitively c

Re: [WSG] Page Structure

On 29 Jun 2007, at 5:44 AM, Sander Aarts wrote: Nick Gleitzman schreef: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ...with a paper doc the user always gets to see the front cover. Unless they're blind. Well, they wont be seeing anything else then either, so semantics and hierarchy of headi

Re: [WSG] Page Structure

On 29 Jun 2007, at 5:53 AM, Sander Aarts wrote: Sunday John schreef: Does a content based site respond to search engine than a well meta-tag, keyword e.t.c site? If I'm correct search engines like Google give extra weight to keywords in meta-tags, but only if they appear in the content of t

Re: [WSG] Page Structure

Sander Aarts wrote: How can you search for a company when you don't know it exists? How do you find out what goods a certain company sells if don't know what they are? Sorry, Sander, but that logic escapes me. Of course I don't know what goods a certain company sells if I don't know they e

Re: [WSG] Page Structure

On 28 Jun 2007, at 11:41 PM, Sunday John wrote: Does a content based site respond to search engine than a well meta-tag, keyword e.t.c site? It's pretty much accepted now that don't carry nearly as much weight as keywords (= search terms) in the actual content of a page. And Google - if yo

Re: [WSG] Page Structure

On 28 Jun 2007, at 11:03 PM, Sunday John wrote: The company logo is the image image and the representative of the company on the internet. Without the existience of the company the logo won't exist and without the branding the website wouldn't have come anyway! The content should just be re

Re: [WSG] Page Structure

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ...with a paper doc the user always gets to see the front cover. Unless they're blind. Thing about markup is, we can structure it for many more purposes than hard copy info can be. The most important blind visitor? Google... (Which I think is where this thread sta

Re: [WSG] Skip to Content?

On 28 Jun 2007, at 6:50 PM, Frank Palinkas wrote: If the global site navigation on a page is marked up below the content... Hang on - if your nav is *below* the content, wouldn't the link be better as 'skip to navigation'? N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omni

Re: [WSG] Page Structure

On 27 Jun 2007, at 6:43 PM, James Jeffery wrote: H1 should be your company name, or logo. Some people like to use IR (Image Replacement) for logos, but a logo is your brand, just as your name is your brand, so i wouldnt use IR on a logo. Tagline should be H2. Im not sure on what you mea

Re: [WSG] Aligning text with images

On 27 Jun 2007, at 12:55 PM, Raster Graphix wrote: Hi,   I need to align image with the text which is quite happening in IE but not in Firefox. The page is uploaded at http://www.atulmangal.com/try/try.html   If someone could please advice me on how to fix this in firefox would greatly be ap

Re: [WSG] Aligning text with images

On 27 Jun 2007, at 12:55 PM, Raster Graphix wrote: If someone could please advice me on how to fix this in firefox would greatly be appreciated. And I forgot to mention - you're developing the wrong way round. Test in Firefox first, then workaround for IE - not the other way round... N ___

Re: [WSG] Table Problem

On 26 Jun 2007, at 8:45 AM, Olajide Olaolorun wrote: Can some help me with this problem: http://www.olajideolaolorun.com/problem.html Its right when i view it in Firefox, but in IE, its problematic. Can anyone help me out as to why it is not aligning right? Firstly, I assume that you mean

Re: [WSG] Tackling tabular data + per row form input

On 22 Jun 2007, at 5:41 PM, C. Bergström wrote: ...a clean and valid html way to display tabular data... ...is a table - isn't it? N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Gui

Re: [WSG] Container Background Image Does Not Appear in Firefox

Joyce Evans wrote: I’m new to this group, and I’m not sure if it’s okay to post a question, but here it is:   I’ve designed a website and am now creating the CSS for the home page.  This is the CSS for my main container div:   #container {     width: 760px;     background-colo

Re: [WSG] Web Publishing Guide [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

On 18 Jun 2007, at 1:18 PM, dwain wrote: Dale, Tim wrote: Today, AGIMO released the Web Publishing Guide this is nice, but do you have anything for the unites states along this line? With respect, don't you think that guidelines for the US would better be written by someone in that coun

Re: [WSG] force download a media file

On 13 Jun 2007, at 8:10 PM, SJL wrote: I have this problem where i want to force download... I actually want the "save as" window to appear and give the choice to the viewer. Hmm. I've been following this thread, with its discussion of headers, MIME types and content-disposition, and I ha

Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows

Michael MD wrote: Speaking of Mac browsers - a friend called me on the weekend and said he can't find anything newer than IE5 for OS9 but won't upgrade to OSX because it would be way too slow on his G3. (and he doesn't have the money to buy a new machine) now that is something to think about

Re: [WSG] Use of PDFs - Accessibility issues

Nick Roper wrote: Just to confirm, the recommendation from the agency is to replace existing html content with PDF version, not to provide PDFs as an additional alternative. Nick, you've made it fairly clear that your question is about accessiblity in PDFs, rather than whether or not it's a

Re: [WSG] Help with css cascade problem from external style to internal style

On 7 Jun 2007, at 2:25 PM, JS Bracher wrote: Once I realized the problem was a specificity issue, I changed the internal style block to: li#index a, li#index a:hover ... Hopefully you changed the HTML as well, because the sample you originally posted had the id of 'index' on the , not the

Re: [WSG] ie word wrap mess-help

On 7 Jun 2007, at 8:34 AM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: Hi can anyone suggest how i might get this definition list to wrap around First, and always, validate your code. Your doesn't contain a ... N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ **

Re: [WSG] What does Semantic mean?

Raine wrote: Let me be so bold as to nip this thread in the bud... Gee, sorry. I just thought, given the intensity that some people display here, a little levity every now and then helps the medicine go down - or something... Look what fun we can have: ... often tiresome ... display ... a

Re: [WSG] What does Semantic mean?

On 6 Jun 2007, at 2:59 PM, John Faulds wrote: Well if we're going to talk about 'pedanticness' it has to be pointed out that there's no such word; the word you're looking for is 'pedantry'. Pedanticity? ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ **

Re: [WSG] What does Semantic mean?

Lucien Stals wrote: I suspect that the following code... staff details email[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone12345678 Is perfectly valid, semantic markup which a screen reader would render just fine. Logical, no doubt of it. But see Steve Green's post which said, "JAWS ... can only enter 'forms mo

Re: [WSG] Re: Use of Fieldsets other than in form?

Barney Carroll wrote: ...a deceased squirrel foetus Wow. What an image. N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Un

Re: [WSG] Re: Use of Fieldsets other than in form?

On 5 Jun 2007, at 6:13 PM, Patrick Lauke wrote: No need to debate it...w3schools is a cr*ppy resource, full stop. That's an opinion, which of course you're entitled to (happens that I agree with you) - but I couldn't resist taking a look. And right there on their Home page: "W3Schools pro

Re: [WSG] Re: Use of Fieldsets other than in form?

On 5 Jun 2007, at 3:34 PM, Jackie Reid wrote: The fact the validator passed it also seemed to me to say that it could be used in this way. If can't be used this way why does it pass validation? Forgot this point: valid doesn't mean correct, or sensible. It's really easy to write code that

Re: [WSG] Re: Use of Fieldsets other than in form?

Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: Rules are meant to be understood and for the most part followed. Sometimes they're meant to be bent/broken a little, when it comes to document design, occasionally the ends can justify the means. That's how the whole tables-used-for-layout tag soup of last century

Re: [WSG] Re: Use of Fieldsets other than in form?

On 5 Jun 2007, at 11:41 AM, Lucien Stals wrote: ...the fieldset itself can contain anything... Huh? Where in the spec does it say that?! And why would you want to use something for which it's not intended? It would surely, at best, be semantically confusing. Some legacy code I just picked

Re: [WSG] ie positioning help needed

On 3 Jun 2007, at 8:44 AM, Mark Hedley wrote: ...for IE6 and to be fair... who uses it still?! How about 56% of your audience?! N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ***

Re: [WSG] layout/font site test - please

On 2 Jun 2007, at 8:06 PM, Designer wrote: I've used a simple table Nothing wrong with that, if NN4.x is in your group of target browsers. But you might like to consider adding a rule to your css so that the content of the RH column is anchored to the top of the cell - at present it's dis

Re: [WSG] Recommended screen size

On 2 Jun 2007, at 12:29 PM, Katrina wrote: that position is about to undergo a 360 degree change ...which will bring it back to where it started... N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *

Re: [WSG] OT on list

Stuart Foulstone wrote: Assistive technology off topic? Barney Carroll wrote: It's worth making the point: Don't get intimidated by this - JAWS is a perfectly legitimate thing to discuss here. When it's used to access Photoshop - which in my experience doesn't have a whole lot to do with

[WSG] OT on list

Hi folks Is it just me. or have a whole slew of recent posts been OT? CMS: there's a CMS list just for you guys. Please use it... Photoshop and JAWS: sorry, Marvin, but that's just OT for this list. Can we get back to the on topic issues of Web Standards, perchance? Check the guidelines - if y

Re: [WSG] need help with tabular interface

kevin mcmonagle wrote: Thanks nick i might need to implement that js fix. The sliding doors method, or any that ive seen, only works if all the tabs are the same colour. Ah. Of course. I'm sure you could make your design work, but there would be a lot of classes and/or ids involved to target

Re: [WSG] need help with tabular interface

kevin mcmonagle wrote: I am going to start with the sliding doors 2.0 article on ala. Does anyone have any advice or examples regarding a sideways tabular nav bar? You've got the right starting point - but be aware that (in my previous experience) IE/Win (of course...) doesn't honour the bac

Re: [WSG] making form elements the same height

On 25 May 2007, at 5:18 PM, Taco Fleur wrote: http://www.clickfind.com.au/test-index.html I am trying to get the form elements the same height Hi Taco Form Submit buttons are system-level widgets - they're different shapes and sizes according to which browser/OS combination is in use. They

Re: [WSG] Australian University webpage reviews and WANAU membership

On 25 May 2007, at 1:58 PM, Lachlan Hardy wrote: Reply made offlist as debates of qualifications and recommended medications are definitely OT. /* Admin */ Agreed. This thread is now closed as the majority of content appears to be OT, and is certainly not conducive to helping anyb

Re: [WSG] Australian University webpage reviews and WANAU membership

On 25 May 2007, at 1:22 PM, Tim wrote: So what do you know about change management Nick? Comment on the research Nick, stick to the issue instead of trying so pathetically to belt me up. The page is not intended for you Nick. Take a bex and have a good lie down. Tim Reply made offlist as

Re: [WSG] Australian University webpage reviews and WANAU membership

On 24 May 2007, at 8:04 PM, Tim wrote: I have a post graduate Diploma in Applied Social Psychological research Wow. If that's true, then you should surely appreciate that the best way to effect change in *any* system is not by angry, aggressive and sarcastic ranting, but by reasoned, logica

Re: [WSG] Map of Australia Image Map

On 25 May 2007, at 11:44 AM, Felisimina Jom wrote: We are trying to put together a map of Australia where the states appear on hover and are clickable.   As I understand it, the hover state can't be used in so I wonder if there is a way to display the States on hover without using javascrip

Re: [WSG] dl v table for form layout

On 23 May 2007, at 7:36 AM, John Faulds wrote: I doubt there's any laws in Australia that prohibit me having sex with a wombat - doesn't mean it's something that's OK to do though Damn. ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/

Re: [WSG] width of inline lists

On 20 May 2007, at 10:02 PM, Designer wrote: Has anyone got a (simple) workaround for the fact that I want to specify the width of each in an inline list? (which is not allowed). Sorry, previous answer was incomplete. Not allowed? By whom/what? Float the s left, give each one an id and y

Re: [WSG] width of inline lists

On 20 May 2007, at 10:02 PM, Designer wrote: div#menu li{ width : 250px; display : inline; list-style-type : none; } and, of course, the 'width : 250px' is just ignored. I've tried setting a width on the but that doesn't work either. MUST I use a table? No, ju

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

On 16 May 2007, at 11:28 PM, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: http://www.wizwebz.co.uk ... OK, enough - I quit. How can I possibly compete with these world-class designers? N ___ omnivision.

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

On 16 May 2007, at 7:28 PM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: What would you have done in this situation? Find another client - or risk sounding like a whiner yourself. At the end of the day, you can give clients informed choice, but you can't *make* them follow your advice. If they can't see the bene

Re: [WSG] Site check please

Elle Meredith wrote: Could you please have a look at http://digitaluwphotography.com/ and let me know what you think? I also have a problem with the top div#access links that I don't know why just don't work (skip and site info). Elle, your css declares div#access as position:absolute, and

Re: [WSG] v's , v's

Robby Jennings wrote: I've found this list of  depreciated tags http://www.html-reference.com/depreciated.htm which lists and as depreciated.   I thought the tag would be depreciated. Don't like the look of that page much. Must be old. Very vague, infers that HTML4.0 is new, doesn't menti

Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say "click"?

John Horner wrote: I'm looking at a design involving image thumbnails and the instruction to "click images for larger version" -- I have the idea that saying "click" is wrong, or rather the assumption that everyone is using a mouse is wrong. So, how would you word this instruction, or otherwise

[WSG] How to mark up a flowchart?

Hi all I have to incorporate a couple of simple flowcharts into the content of a site I'm building, I'm scratching my head about the best way to mark up this info in a semantically meaningful way. A generic example can be seen here: I'd be int

Re: [WSG] alternative to target="_blank" in xhtml 1.1

Gallagher, Robin wrote: Users of the search engine on my intranet site wold like to have the results open in a new page. Can anyone suggest a valid method to do this in xhtml 1.1? Umm... teach 'em how to use the software? A good browser allows the choice of a new window - or tab - with a mod

Re: [WSG] Strange empty XHTML element issues in IE & FF

On 22 Feb 2006, at 10:00 AM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Nick Gleitzman wrote: Easy. In both cases, 'self-closing' elements is incorrect. Both and <div> need full closing: and , whether they're empty or not. To expand on that answer: unless you're sending XHTML

[WSG] Plain text v HTML on this list

A frequent request, which occasionally needs to be remade: could list members please use plain text for posting? It makes the posts much smaller in file size, which is kinder to those who only have dialup connections (yes, there are still some), but more importantly, makes the posts more legibl

Re: [WSG] Strange empty XHTML element issues in IE & FF

On 22 Feb 2006, at 9:16 AM, Paul Hempsall wrote:   Issue 1: In the Head section of my XHTML I had an empty script element (see below). IE refused to load the page. FF had no problem with this.     To get IE past this line in the markup I had to change the text to read:       Issue 2: In the

Re: [WSG] IE7 Compatibility Team

On 10 Feb 2006, at 10:49 AM, Cade Whitbourn wrote: Wow. Microsoft are taking very pro-active measures to assist the developer community in fixing sites for IE7. I received an email from someone on the 'IE7 compatibility team' with a screenshot of our site in IE7 and a list of all our styleshee

Re: [WSG] Background-Image download order

On 2 Feb 2006, at 1:18 PM, kvnmcwebn wrote: nick " Bear this in mind, too - some browsers will call *all* images specified with the background property in your CSS file, whether they're needed for that page or not." errr.. what browsers? Safari, from memory... it was a while ago. Later vers

Re: [WSG] Background-Image download order

On 2 Feb 2006, at 1:24 PM, Ric Raftis wrote: Nick Gleitzman wrote: Boring, but multiple CSS files, one for each page, containing only the bg image declarations for that page. Maybe I've missed something, but why wouldn't you just have the one css file but declare the backgroun

Re: [WSG] Background-Image download order

Is there any logic I can apply (ordering CSS etc) that will affect the order the browser requests and downloads background images? Bear this in mind, too - some browsers will call *all* images specified with the background property in your CSS file, whether they're needed for that page or not.

Re: [WSG] li background image

On 14 Dec 2005, at 11:19 AM, Nathan Wheatley wrote: it does not work. I can't see why it does not, but after measuring the pixel height of the buttons the above outputs, the height is only 15px. Is there a way to force the 26px height? Add 'line-height: 26px' to your declaration for li... H

Re: [WSG] Noise (was) Mambo & Accessibility

Is it my imagination, or has this list acquired an unreasonable amount of noise lately? Aren't there separate lists for CMS and/or software issues? Call me a grouch, but all I've seen in the last little while has been FF1.5 and Mambo... C'mon, guys - can we get back OT, please? N ___

Re: [WSG] Safari not loading website

We are using relative links in Javascript to open the attachments. Could please anyone shed light on what might be causing this. Well, you've answered your own question! Use absolute paths in your links. (and... Lotus Notes?! Ouch...) N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http:

Re: [WSG] Validate a PNG?

On 9 Nov 2005, at 7:02 PM, Absalom Media wrote: ...and the requirements state XHTML and CSS compliance as a specific requirement for submission to the contest. The twist is that the designs must be submitted as PNG or JPG... Huh? Sounds to me like the organisers just don't know what they're

Re: [WSG] is this a tabular data?

On 30 Oct 2005, at 11:43 PM, Jad Madi wrote: I'm not sure if i'm going to use defining trick, what I know about standards markup and symantic, is to use the tag by it's meaning rather than by How it look like, If that is so, can you do any better with your class names than 'pinktext' and 'bo

Re: [WSG] Stop the Presses! Announcing the supercool search plugi n!

On 7 Oct 2005, at 9:15 AM, Drake, Ted C. wrote: it is going to make my life much easier Ted, speaking of which - HTML messages, untrimmed - up to 34KB, and counting. Do us a favour? Thx - N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ***

Re: [WSG] CSS class and id naming conventions

James Oppenheim wrote: I tend to use underscore for class and id, try very much to stay away from two word file names. This is a question (discussion?) that comes up every couple of months here on the list - ultimately, I reckon you'll get as many 'conventions' in use as you've offered sugge

Re: [WSG] Hiding Headings

Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: 1. Put the H1 in there, but set it's display to "none" on the style sheet. 2. Set the header overflow to hidden, then set the top padding on the H1 to be a pixel more than the header's height - thereby hiding the heading text. One problem I discovered with the

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

On 26 Sep 2005, at 10:11 AM, kvnmcwebn wrote: Do most wsg members - who do both the design and mark up - actually go to code when the design is done without looking back? I try but alway end up going back and forth to make improvments. It eats time. This is probably the biggest benefit of

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

On 26 Sep 2005, at 9:50 AM, Duncan Heal wrote: Incidentally, is there some sort of 'real' designer certificate I can get?! ;) Yup, it's called a cheque from a satisfied client. N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/

Re: [WSG] UTF and IE/Mac - extra character?

First thing I thought when reading your message: BOM. And indeed, it is there. I remember, when I still used BBEdit @version 7, I had a hard time getting rid of it. I think you have to set it first in the application prefs, save without BOM, before opening any document. Thanks, Philippe. Tha

Re: [WSG] UTF and IE/Mac - extra character?

Hmm, until I read that part, I was going to say "just set the encoding to UTF-8, no BOM", because I had exactly the same problem using BBEdit, and solved it that way. When you say you've set "prefs", have you used the "options" button in the Save dialog box to set the encoding? That's what I d

[WSG] UTF and IE/Mac - extra character?

Hi all I'd really appreciate it if anyone can shed light on this non-critical but annoying anomaly. I've just built a couple of pages using UTF encoding, rather than iso-8859-1, and all is as expected, except that in IE/Mac, if you View Source, there's a single character ('?') as the very fi

Re: [WSG] the struggle to get valid

On 10 Sep 2005, at 7:18 AM, Drake, Ted C. wrote: I hope everyone has a nice weekend. I thought I'd share a little code I stumbled upon on one of our legacy includes. < br> I'm tempted to extend that to 'I hope everyone has a break (or 32) over the weekend...' N __

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

On 8 Sep 2005, at 10:43 AM, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: H This is going way off-topic, right? No, no - I've enjoyed the couple of heatedly debated threads over the past couple of days far more than the 'please fix my code' posts - without please or thank you - that are s

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

On 8 Sep 2005, at 10:43 AM, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: But not everybody can afford this kind of employment mix. If you are a full time lecturer all you can rely on is books, training courses and seminars to learn from. What about the web itself? That's actually no different

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators

On 8 Sep 2005, at 9:48 AM, Herrod, Lisa wrote: There are actually a few excellent teachers at Sydney Institute (ultimo TAFE) who understand and teach web site design and development with a real focus on web standards. Their knowledge is extremely current and while the old addage of 'Those t

Re: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

On 8 Sep 2005, at 9:31 AM, Paul Bennett wrote: be glad you're learning about web standards now - it'll make getting a good job a lot easier. The capability of my tutors wasn't much better than yours. Even Zeldman has lamented lately (sorry - googled and couldn't find the entry) that Univers

[WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

On 8 Sep 2005, at 8:59 AM, Craig Rippon wrote: by-the-by:  I am a web development student at Yeronga TAFE college in Brisbane, Australia. One of my instructors has never heard of DOCTYPE, refuses to put tags in lowercase and also refuses to close , 'cause they don't need to be closed. Which

Re: [WSG] Troubleshooting page in Internet Explorer Mac

On 4 Sep 2005, at 8:33 PM, Officelink wrote:  I'm having problems with the following page: http://www.officelinkonline.com.au/test/  It works fine in all modern browsers except Internet Explorer for the mac where the divs are stretching way over to the right for some reason. A quick lo

Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners

Mordechai Peller wrote: In general, you should recommend that they examine the code of well written, semantically correct pages. Sure, but first you have to teach them to recognise such things... N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ **

Re: [WSG] Randomly load images into the background-image selector...

On 24 Aug 2005, at 6:47 PM, Bennie, Jack wrote: Does anyone know any neat code [JScript/CSS - not PHP] that can randomly load a selection of images into the 'background-image' selector? Which makes me wonder - will a browser call and execute javascript if it's contained within, or linked fro

Re: [WSG] Center aligning links with a specified height

On 23 Aug 2005, at 8:41 AM, Adam Burmister ((DSL AK)) wrote: Could somebody please check it in Safari? Hmm again - not quite. See < http://www.omnivision.com.au/test/safari.gif > Sorry, gotta go to work right now - I'll check in later and see how you're doing... N __

Re: [WSG] Center aligning links with a specified height

On 23 Aug 2005, at 7:48 AM, Kenny Graham wrote: Try keeping them inline, and setting line-height to 40px.  As long as word-wrap doesn't become a factor, that should work fine.  But since you're using pixels, I'm guessing word-wrap would already cause problems anyway. Hmm... line-height on

Re: [WSG] IE in Virtual PC

On 22 Aug 2005, at 12:18 AM, Jan Brasna wrote: Does this statement imply the machine hosting Virtual PC and IE becomes vulnerable to malicious software? No. Only the guest OS (WXP, W2K) is vulnerable. It runs in sandbox. no reason to suspect anything will be different Colors are differen

Re: [WSG] IE in Virtual PC

On 21 Aug 2005, at 10:31 PM, Chris Kennon wrote: Does IE in Virtual PC display the same quirks as the XP, 2000 version of IE? I'm a MAC OS user, but would like to test CSS in IE before going to Browser CAM. Hope this clarifies :) C PS The wit of this list is just a sharp as the knowledge.

Re: [WSG] IE in Virtual PC

On 20 Aug 2005, at 7:48 AM, Chris Kennon wrote: Would some knowledgeable participant enlighten on the behavior of IE in Virtual PC for the MAC? Respectfully, C PS I hope my questions are not banal, due to the absences of replies, I'm beginning to feel like the carrier of something contag

Re: [WSG] Getting an image to slide behind another, not drop below

On 12 Aug 2005, at 5:17 AM, Richard Lake wrote: if I could somehow get the right hand image slide to behind the left hand image instead of drop beneath it then I can support widths of less than 770 without the header breaking. Is there a way of doing this? Richard, check out my site; I do j

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