[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
my apologies - the 'context' i referred to is fully out of the hands of the designer - it is the browsing environment, determined via a mixture of user-agent information, feature detection and media queries... On 16 September 2012 16:54, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Mathew Robertson mathew.blair.robert...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:01:42 +1000 Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest Part of the img vs picture discussion, has been to define what features are actually required of this element. Primarily this has come down to: a) responsive handling of bandwidth vs image-quality (aka bandwidth vs file-size) b) pixel density of display devices c) art direction [ Did I miss any? ] Breaking them down: a) bandwidth is completely out of control of the website designer... (eg: 3G bandwidth varies x10 with time) so there is next to no reason for markup (HTML or CSS) to be related to bandwidth. If the designer chose to use JPEG2000, SVG, HDF or some other tileable/scalable format, then changes the scope somewhat, as the browser could implement range requests to the webserver to indicate which block of data would suit its currently available bandwidth. b) Pixel density depends completely on the target device... again outside of the designers control (unless you want to design for every version of every device in existence). And again the best a designer can do is offer multiple images. In which case, srcset seems like a nice way to go, as it leverage's an existing element thus allowing backwards compatibility. c) The art-direction aspect can be solved using variations of clip(...) combined with range-requests. An extra mention... the media: max-width variations are really not all that useful (unless you are targeting an exact screen size + density)... my eyes work well enough so that I can read small text, so would happily like to use tablet-width layouts on a small screen. The idea of context would seem appropriate... just need to remember that some of that context is not in the hands of the designer. Just my $0.02... cheers, Mathew Robertson On 14 September 2012 17:03, Dominic Hey dominic@gmail.com wrote: To paraphrase your own words.. if an img src=... is descriptive of the target image then srcset would be descriptive of the *set* of target images, no styling information there. Where I would be more inclined to agree with you would be the media attribute, however if you abstract the essence of a media query it is not, in itself, concerned with styling. It is a conditional test. Perhaps we need a fourth element - context - to join the separate channels of content, behaviour and appearance? On 14 September 2012 16:43, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Mathew Robertson mathew.blair.robert...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:53:34 +1000 Subject: responsive images In this week's links for light reading, there is a reference to responsive images, eg: http://www.netmagazine.com/features/road-responsive-images I'd be interested to hear this lists' opinion on the proposed syntax. To me this screams of putting styling information, into the document. For comparison, we now use media queries to change font sizes and element locations, based on viewport size and/or direction. I would have expected responsive images to be implemented in a similar manner, not with new html tags. In other words, an img src=... is descriptive of the target image, and we add alt-attributes to describe it as such. Simply showing a higher quality image of the same thing, shouldn't change the document structure. Thoughts? Mathew Robertson ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org
Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest
Part of the img vs picture discussion, has been to define what features are actually required of this element. Primarily this has come down to: a) responsive handling of bandwidth vs image-quality (aka bandwidth vs file-size) b) pixel density of display devices c) art direction [ Did I miss any? ] Breaking them down: a) bandwidth is completely out of control of the website designer... (eg: 3G bandwidth varies x10 with time) so there is next to no reason for markup (HTML or CSS) to be related to bandwidth. If the designer chose to use JPEG2000, SVG, HDF or some other tileable/scalable format, then changes the scope somewhat, as the browser could implement range requests to the webserver to indicate which block of data would suit its currently available bandwidth. b) Pixel density depends completely on the target device... again outside of the designers control (unless you want to design for every version of every device in existence). And again the best a designer can do is offer multiple images. In which case, srcset seems like a nice way to go, as it leverage's an existing element thus allowing backwards compatibility. c) The art-direction aspect can be solved using variations of clip(...) combined with range-requests. An extra mention... the media: max-width variations are really not all that useful (unless you are targeting an exact screen size + density)... my eyes work well enough so that I can read small text, so would happily like to use tablet-width layouts on a small screen. The idea of context would seem appropriate... just need to remember that some of that context is not in the hands of the designer. Just my $0.02... cheers, Mathew Robertson On 14 September 2012 17:03, Dominic Hey dominic@gmail.com wrote: To paraphrase your own words.. if an img src=... is descriptive of the target image then srcset would be descriptive of the *set* of target images, no styling information there. Where I would be more inclined to agree with you would be the media attribute, however if you abstract the essence of a media query it is not, in itself, concerned with styling. It is a conditional test. Perhaps we need a fourth element - context - to join the separate channels of content, behaviour and appearance? On 14 September 2012 16:43, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Mathew Robertson mathew.blair.robert...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:53:34 +1000 Subject: responsive images In this week's links for light reading, there is a reference to responsive images, eg: http://www.netmagazine.com/features/road-responsive-images I'd be interested to hear this lists' opinion on the proposed syntax. To me this screams of putting styling information, into the document. For comparison, we now use media queries to change font sizes and element locations, based on viewport size and/or direction. I would have expected responsive images to be implemented in a similar manner, not with new html tags. In other words, an img src=... is descriptive of the target image, and we add alt-attributes to describe it as such. Simply showing a higher quality image of the same thing, shouldn't change the document structure. Thoughts? Mathew Robertson ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
To paraphrase your own words.. if an img src=... is descriptive of the target image then srcset would be descriptive of the *set* of target images, no styling information there. Where I would be more inclined to agree with you would be the media attribute, however if you abstract the essence of a media query it is not, in itself, concerned with styling. It is a conditional test. Perhaps we need a fourth element - context - to join the separate channels of content, behaviour and appearance? On 14 September 2012 16:43, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Mathew Robertson mathew.blair.robert...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:53:34 +1000 Subject: responsive images In this week's links for light reading, there is a reference to responsive images, eg: http://www.netmagazine.com/features/road-responsive-images I'd be interested to hear this lists' opinion on the proposed syntax. To me this screams of putting styling information, into the document. For comparison, we now use media queries to change font sizes and element locations, based on viewport size and/or direction. I would have expected responsive images to be implemented in a similar manner, not with new html tags. In other words, an img src=... is descriptive of the target image, and we add alt-attributes to describe it as such. Simply showing a higher quality image of the same thing, shouldn't change the document structure. Thoughts? Mathew Robertson ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
joining the party a little late here.. unless i have misunderstood things here this is a perfect situation to employ XSLT ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XSLT). you can assign whatever attributes you require to the XML and then use XSLT to have the browser render the file as XHTML. On 2 August 2012 10:38, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Mathew Robertson mathew.blair.robert...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:57:54 +1000 Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML5 polyglot markup and WAI-ARIA, is there a valid way? Hi Isabel, It sounds like you might be confusing/mixing your requirements... from the limited information you have provided, this sounds like perfect candidate to generate two separate files ie: HTML already has accessibility built in, and you get the XML file contain exactly what you require. regards, Mathew Robertson On 1 August 2012 09:29, Isabel Santos unboun...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rob, thank you, and sorry for the delayed answer. The need for xml comes from the site being a web application for an academic work. The idea is to generate xml both to the site and for exchange purposes. I could generate both xml and html but that isn't very elegant, and would not optimise the resources. In fact, accessibility, validity, design and usability are my own concerns, they aren't part of the work, won't be evaluated, and are taking more time then they should. Anyway, as long as it is possible to do, the more difficult a work, the more one learns. I gess I've lost a good part of the WAI-ARIA development history, it's kind of hard to understand the excessive and aparently arbitrary strictness of xhtml in regards to ARIA. regards, isabel On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Rob Crowther robe...@boogdesign.com wrote: What XML content do you need to include? If you just stick to regular HTML5 then all the ARIA stuff is valid (with some sanity restrictions) and you won't have to work around the strict parsing: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/**web-apps/current-work/** multipage/elements.html#wai-**aria http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/elements.html#wai-aria XML elements will be parsed into the HTML5 document tree, albeit slightly differently to how an XML document would be parsed, but maybe close enough for your purposes depending on what XML you'll be including. Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** * From: Rob Crowther robe...@boogdesign.com Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 02:01:34 +0100 Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML5 polyglot markup and WAI-ARIA, is there a valid way? On 01/08/12 00:29, Isabel Santos wrote: I could generate both xml and html but that isn't very elegant, and would not optimise the resources. Unless you serve the XHTML files with a MIME type of application/xml or application/xhtml+xml, which will break things in IE9, the browser will treat all the content as HTML anyway. This is precisely because of XHTML's arbitrary strictness. http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/HTML_vs._XHTML#Differences_Between_HTML_and_XHTML Rob ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen Geschäftspartner: Mail Boxes ETC. Herr Peter Baumann Ochsenzoller Straße 129 22848 Norderstedt Tel: (0 40) 51 31 51 61 Fax: (0 40) 51 31 51 62 E-mail: p...@mbe-norderstedt.de Öffnungszeiten: Montag - Freitag: 09.00 - 19.00 Uhr Mit freundlichem Gruß Michael Schröder *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen Geschäftspartner: Mail Boxes ETC. Herr Peter Baumann Ochsenzoller Straße 129 22848 Norderstedt Tel: (0 40) 51 31 51 61 Fax: (0 40) 51 31 51 62 E-mail: p...@mbe-norderstedt.de Öffnungszeiten: Montag - Freitag: 09.00 - 19.00 Uhr Mit freundlichem Gruß Michael Schröder *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen Geschäftspartner: Mail Boxes ETC. Herr Peter Baumann Ochsenzoller Straße 129 22848 Norderstedt Tel: (0 40) 51 31 51 61 Fax: (0 40) 51 31 51 62 E-mail: p...@mbe-norderstedt.de Öffnungszeiten: Montag - Freitag: 09.00 - 19.00 Uhr Mit freundlichem Gruß Michael Schröder *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen Geschäftspartner: Mail Boxes ETC. Herr Peter Baumann Ochsenzoller Straße 129 22848 Norderstedt Tel: (0 40) 51 31 51 61 Fax: (0 40) 51 31 51 62 E-mail: p...@mbe-norderstedt.de Öffnungszeiten: Montag - Freitag: 09.00 - 19.00 Uhr Mit freundlichem Gruß Michael Schröder *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen Geschäftspartner: Mail Boxes ETC. Herr Peter Baumann Ochsenzoller Straße 129 22848 Norderstedt Tel: (0 40) 51 31 51 61 Fax: (0 40) 51 31 51 62 E-mail: p...@mbe-norderstedt.de Öffnungszeiten: Montag - Freitag: 09.00 - 19.00 Uhr Mit freundlichem Gruß Michael Schröder *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen Geschäftspartner: Mail Boxes ETC. Herr Peter Baumann Ochsenzoller Straße 129 22848 Norderstedt Tel: (0 40) 51 31 51 61 Fax: (0 40) 51 31 51 62 E-mail: p...@mbe-norderstedt.de Öffnungszeiten: Montag - Freitag: 09.00 - 19.00 Uhr Mit freundlichem Gruß Michael Schröder *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen Geschäftspartner: Mail Boxes ETC. Herr Peter Baumann Ochsenzoller Straße 129 22848 Norderstedt Tel: (0 40) 51 31 51 61 Fax: (0 40) 51 31 51 62 E-mail: p...@mbe-norderstedt.de Öffnungszeiten: Montag - Freitag: 09.00 - 19.00 Uhr Mit freundlichem Gruß Michael Schröder *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen Geschäftspartner: Mail Boxes ETC. Herr Peter Baumann Ochsenzoller Straße 129 22848 Norderstedt Tel: (0 40) 51 31 51 61 Fax: (0 40) 51 31 51 62 E-mail: p...@mbe-norderstedt.de Öffnungszeiten: Montag - Freitag: 09.00 - 19.00 Uhr Mit freundlichem Gruß Michael Schröder *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen Geschäftspartner: Mail Boxes ETC. Herr Peter Baumann Ochsenzoller Straße 129 22848 Norderstedt Tel: (0 40) 51 31 51 61 Fax: (0 40) 51 31 51 62 E-mail: p...@mbe-norderstedt.de Öffnungszeiten: Montag - Freitag: 09.00 - 19.00 Uhr Mit freundlichem Gruß Michael Schröder *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (Out of office reply-Maternity leave)
I am currently on Maternity leave. Please contact Anna Moretti in my absence. Kind regards, Claire Helme wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 06/14/12 10:47 * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Blumer, Luke luke.blu...@ato.gov.au Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:39:30 +1000 Subject: Page titles and WCAG2.0 compliance [SEC=UNOFFICIAL] Hi all, Thanks for all your help in regards to the Skip to issue I was having. I have another question in regards to Page titles. We are currently looking at ALL web pages in the following format: Homepage: Australian Taxation Office | Home All other web pages: Page Title | Australian Taxation Office We are keen to have it in this format as it then provides a better search e ngine (such as Google) experience. However before we take this step we want to ensure it does not cause any issues with WCAG 2.0 and consistency? Once again thankyou in advance for any help. Regards, LUKE BLUMER Web Project Officer Australian Taxation Office ATO | Working for all Australians ** IMPORTANT The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, disclosure, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Privacy Hotline of the Australian Taxation Office, telephone 13 2869 and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. ** ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] RE: WCAG 2.0 compliance and best practise on the Skip to function [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]
Five 'skip' links is definitely too many and I would say that three is the absolute maximum. During user testing we often get adverse comments if there are more than two. A single 'skip to content' link should be sufficient if the search form and sitemap link are at the top of the page (where people expect them), followed by the navigation then the content. It has been widely accepted in the accessibility community the many years, that accesskeys should not be used because every accesskey conflicts with an accesskey in one or more widely used application or assistive technology. As others have said, not all browsers work correctly with 'skip' links, in particular Safari, Chrome and Opera. It's unbelievable that these bugs have not been fixed after so many years, but that's the case. In my view, most people who benefit from the use of 'skip' links are not likely to be using these browsers. I believe that Opera has the native ability to jump to headings, so that would provide a very similar capability, especially if you add hidden headings for the navigation. I don't believe any other browsers have any such features yet. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [li...@webstandardsgroup.org] on behalf of Blumer, Luke [luke.blu...@ato.gov.au] Sent: 05 June 2012 05:49 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] WCAG 2.0 compliance and best practise on the Skip to function [SEC=UNOFFICIAL] Hi All, We are currently in the process of redesigning our website and are looking into the Skip to functionality. We are currently considering using: * Skip to Search * Skip to Primary Navigation * Skip to Secondary Navigation * Skip to Main Content * Skip to Sitemap We are wondering if there is any information on best practice for the Skip to function and whether there is a generally acceptable limit as to how many Skip to links should be used? We are also wondering whether we should be considering other ways for users to navigate around our pages such as AccessKey http://validator.w3.org/accesskeys.html and whether this technique should be used to reduce the number of Skip to links we have listed above? Is there any native browser functionality that performs any of these functions that we should account for? Thankyou in advance for any advice. Regards, Luke Blumer Web Project Officer | Corporate Relations Australian Taxation Office Phone: 02 6216 2970 ** IMPORTANT The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, disclosure, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Privacy Hotline of the Australian Taxation Office, telephone 13 2869 and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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Very Neat. On May 26, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Justin Avery wrote: Trent Walton originally wrote about it with his article, , before Jordan Moore expanded on the idea with http://www.jordanm.co.uk/post/21863299677/building-with-content-choreography and was even nice enough to produce us a workable demo, http://www.jordanm.co.uk/contentchoreography and explains further http://www.jordanm.co.uk/contentchoreographydemo. In the demo, navigation in the source code is still sitting below the header section when the screen is at 480px and below. How does this work for AT (VoiceOver for example) though if I want the navigation stay below the fold? I don't supposed the AT is smart enough to do what I want if I don't place the navigation code at the bottom section of the page. tee On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:57 PM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote From: tee weblis...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:14:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [WSG] Media queries and roles Don't know the answer for sure, but if you display none or make it invisible AT would ignore it no? My logic is, display:none invisible should precede ARIA elements. If a site speficically told the AT not to display a block of content, it shouldn't bother to annouce the role(s) within it to confuse user. When doing RWD instead of mobile adaptation, that navigation goes to the bottom of the page for the consideration of Mobile version, my approach is to use absolute position to target the desktop version's navigation instead of making duplication. tee On May 24, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Tom Livingston wrote: List, We have a project being worked on that is being done using RWD. For mobile, we are repeating the nav at the bottom of the page and showing/hiding - with display: block/none; - the appropriate navbar based on min-width media queries. My question is if the desktop main nav has a role of 'navigation', should the mobile nav at the bottom have that same role? Will that mess up screen readers et al? TIA -- * From: Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 08:44:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [WSG] Media queries and roles On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:14 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know the answer for sure, but if you display none or make it invisi ble AT would ignore it no? My logic is, display:none invisible should pre cede ARIA elements. If a site speficically told the AT not to display a blo ck of content, it shouldn't bother to annouce the role(s) within it to conf use user. When doing RWD instead of mobile adaptation, that navigation goes to t he bottom of the page for the consideration of Mobile version, my approach is to use absolute position to target the desktop version's navigation inst ead of making duplication. tee On May 24, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Tom Livingston wrote: List, Thanks tee. My thoughts as well, but wasn't sure. Also, I thought of absolute pos., but I do not think the structure I need will work with that. Thanks again -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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You could look at implementing a solution that uses -flex-box to change the orientation/order of your page elements at each break point. Trent Walton originally wrote about it with his article, , before Jordan Moore expanded on the idea with http://www.jordanm.co.uk/post/21863299677/building-with-content-choreographyand was even nice enough to produce us a workable demo, http://www.jordanm.co.uk/contentchoreography and explains further http://www.jordanm.co.uk/contentchoreographydemo. On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:57 PM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: tee weblis...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:14:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [WSG] Media queries and roles Don't know the answer for sure, but if you display none or make it invisible AT would ignore it no? My logic is, display:none invisible should precede ARIA elements. If a site speficically told the AT not to display a block of content, it shouldn't bother to annouce the role(s) within it to confuse user. When doing RWD instead of mobile adaptation, that navigation goes to the bottom of the page for the consideration of Mobile version, my approach is to use absolute position to target the desktop version's navigation instead of making duplication. tee On May 24, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Tom Livingston wrote: List, We have a project being worked on that is being done using RWD. For mobile, we are repeating the nav at the bottom of the page and showing/hiding - with display: block/none; - the appropriate navbar based on min-width media queries. My question is if the desktop main nav has a role of 'navigation', should the mobile nav at the bottom have that same role? Will that mess up screen readers et al? TIA -- * From: Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 08:44:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [WSG] Media queries and roles On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:14 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know the answer for sure, but if you display none or make it invisi ble AT would ignore it no? My logic is, display:none invisible should pre cede ARIA elements. If a site speficically told the AT not to display a blo ck of content, it shouldn't bother to annouce the role(s) within it to conf use user. When doing RWD instead of mobile adaptation, that navigation goes to t he bottom of the page for the consideration of Mobile version, my approach is to use absolute position to target the desktop version's navigation inst ead of making duplication. tee On May 24, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Tom Livingston wrote: List, Thanks tee. My thoughts as well, but wasn't sure. Also, I thought of absolute pos., but I do not think the structure I need will work with that. Thanks again -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** -- Justin Avery *We Build Websites* http://justinavery.me http://www.twitter.com/justinavery *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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Thank you for your email. I am out of the office Friday 18 May with limited access to emails. For urgent requests please contact George Dunford. I will respond to your email when I return on Monday. Kind regards, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 05/18/12 13:01 * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Vicki Taylor vicki.lorraine.tay...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 13:15:51 +1000 Subject: Re: WSG Digest Hi, Grant, I'd recommend you have a look at this: http://cssgrid.net/ Do it once, do it well, make it flexible. :-) V. On 16 May 2012 22:48, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:43:03 +0800 (WST) Subject: Mobile sites Hello, I was wondering whether having a dedicated mobile site represents an improvement with regard to accessibility and standards, or whether it is acceptable to have a single site that is adaptable to different screen widths (e.g. by means of CSS media queries). Of course, setting up a separate mobile site requires additional work and therefore expense. I would be grateful for comments. Thank you and regards, Grant Bailey ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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Hi Grant, You could have a dedicated mobile site (using a sub-domain and server-side client detection, for instance) with zero regard paid to accessibility *or*standards. Responsive design (using media queries, for instance) follow the DRY principle - Don't Repeat Yourself. Rather than think about mobiles/desktops I prefer to think of responsive design as catering to any number of devices (think forward a few years to when we see 3G/web browsers built in to car dashboards etc., or as the browsers built into televisions improve). For a lot of websites (e.g. Skysports.com) the cost to integrate responsive design into their existing templating system far exceeds the cost of creating a dedicated mobile sub-domain. There should still only be one data source however, for both implementations. Regards, Dominic On 16 May 2012 13:48, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:43:03 +0800 (WST) Subject: Mobile sites Hello, I was wondering whether having a dedicated mobile site represents an improvement with regard to accessibility and standards, or whether it is acceptable to have a single site that is adaptable to different screen widths (e.g. by means of CSS media queries). Of course, setting up a separate mobile site requires additional work and therefore expense. I would be grateful for comments. Thank you and regards, Grant Bailey ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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Hi, Grant, I'd recommend you have a look at this: http://cssgrid.net/ Do it once, do it well, make it flexible. :-) V. On 16 May 2012 22:48, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:43:03 +0800 (WST) Subject: Mobile sites Hello, I was wondering whether having a dedicated mobile site represents an improvement with regard to accessibility and standards, or whether it is acceptable to have a single site that is adaptable to different screen widths (e.g. by means of CSS media queries). Of course, setting up a separate mobile site requires additional work and therefore expense. I would be grateful for comments. Thank you and regards, Grant Bailey ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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Eww. Why is twenty-five-and-three-quarters percent better than 25.75% -- and why is it mandatory? Why is putting one attribute per one selector per line cleaner? To me, that is unnessecary typing! MORE seems like a lot MORE typing and time than necessary... Glad it works for you... not for me, though. On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 10:31 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:27:58 +1000 Subject: Possibly the best CSS framework ever? You have probably seen all sorts of CSS frameworks over the years... but is this the best CSS framework ever? http://morecss.org/ :) Russ ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** -- Chad Furman, Web Developer (518) 227 0716 chadthefur...@gmail.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Chad Furman wrote: Eww. Why is twenty-five-and-three-quarters percent better than 25.75% -- and why is it mandatory? Do you prefer typing 2012-04-01 or 1 April 2012 or ...? Why is putting one attribute per one selector per line cleaner? To me, that is unnessecary typing! MORE seems like a lot MORE typing and time than necessary... Glad it works for you... not for me, though. On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 10:31 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:27:58 +1000 Subject: Possibly the best CSS framework ever? You have probably seen all sorts of CSS frameworks over the years... but is this the best CSS framework ever? http://morecss.org/ :) Russ ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com/ Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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You're kidding, right? You're not really arguing about More CSS are you? To quote a popular TV personality: Bazzinga! Check the date today, people... Sent from iOS 5 On Apr 1, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson ch...@cfajohnson.com wrote: On Sun, 1 Apr 2012, Chad Furman wrote: Eww. Why is twenty-five-and-three-quarters percent better than 25.75% -- and why is it mandatory? Do you prefer typing 2012-04-01 or 1 April 2012 or ...? Why is putting one attribute per one selector per line cleaner? To me, that is unnessecary typing! MORE seems like a lot MORE typing and time than necessary... Glad it works for you... not for me, though. On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 10:31 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:27:58 +1000 Subject: Possibly the best CSS framework ever? You have probably seen all sorts of CSS frameworks over the years... but is this the best CSS framework ever? http://morecss.org/ :) Russ ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com/ Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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Thank you for your email. I am currently out of the office . I will respond to your email when I return on the 30th January Kind regards, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 01/26/12 20:12 * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Reactivo_Qu=EDmica_Visual?= conta...@reactivo.es Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:11:12 +0100 Subject: Official syntax to style placeholder text Hi, ¿Is there any official way to style input placeholder text in CSS? I know there are propietary pseudo-elements like :-moz-placeholder or :: -webkit-input-placeholder but I can't find anything about the standard way of doing it. Thanks, Diego. ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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I will be out of the office from 23 December and returning on the 3 January. I will respond to your email when I return. Kind regards, Claire Helme wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 12/23/11 13:32 * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Danielle Johnson dm.john...@ballarat.edu.au Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:34:10 +1100 Subject: Re: WSG Digest (Danielle Johnson - Dec/Jan leave arrangements) I will be on leave until early January 2012. For all web-related queries, please contact the Service Desk (servicedesk@b allarat.edu.au, x. 9900). Kind regards, Danielle wsg 12/22/11 13:31 * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Rob Crowther robe...@boogdesign.com Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:11:07 + Subject: Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites On 20/12/2011 23:44, Chris Price wrote: One advantage I can see in opening a new window (on a larger screen at least) is you can dismiss the page by closing that window rather than feeling you are being taken somewhere you don't want to go. Is this context sensitive? Yes it is context sensitive, and the context which is important is the user's. Since the designer can't know in what context (or for what reason) the user is clicking on any given link it is the user who should be deciding whether to open the link in a new window or not. Rob * From: MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:38:48 + Subject: Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites Janice Schwarz jan...@geekartist.net On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:42 AM, MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop wrote: I'm pretty sure there is no such standard preventing mobile phones from opening new windows because my aging nokia e90 can do it (since one of the early upgrades - move to the link, left shoulder button, Open in New), Firefox on Android can - but it's been a while since I tried an iPhone and I can't remember if that does, but I'd be surprised if not. Â For all the difficulty of fixing iPhones, there's not usually that much glaringly broken on them. Â If there was, they'd not be as popular as they are. So I still think it's a bug if a browser can't open a new window and wonder what phones you've being using. Â Or can someone say what mobile phone standard prevents new windows on links? I have witnessed this on 2 Droids 1 iPhone . This has been the behavior for both versions of the Droid, and the iPhone I used. That's interesting. I wonder if the bug on Androids only affects some manufacturers? I believe the one I tested was from HTC. But no standard preventing user control of windows, then. [...] When the OS informs you that you are exceeding the maximum number of *allowed* windows, that seems more of a limitation than a bug. If you open enough windows on a desktop or laptop, eventually it crashes too. I managed to open 112 windows on my netbook by mistake yesterday (crimes of a dying keyboard). No sign of any crashing, although it took a while to clean up! There is no unlimited number of windows that can be run on any system, and a phone has far fewer resources than a desktop or laptop. This is exactly why new windows should be under user control and not website control, so users can choose where to apply the resources! Hope that informs, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ * From: coder co...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:16:03 - Subject: Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites In one sense, this argument is fallacious, because whatever the web designer does decides what happens when a user just 'clicks a link'. In my experience, most folk 'out there' don't know about right clicking. To say 'it is the user's choice' is mainly untrue, because he/she doesn't know they've got a choice, and what happens depends upon what the designer has coded. Bob - Original Message - From: Rob Crowther robe...@boogdesign.com To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites On 20/12/2011 23:44, Chris Price wrote: One advantage I can see in opening a new window (on a larger screen at least) is you can dismiss the page by closing that window rather than feeling you are being taken somewhere you don't want to go. Is this
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (Danielle Johnson - Dec/Jan leave arrangements)
I will be on leave until early January 2012. For all web-related queries, please contact the Service Desk (serviced...@ballarat.edu.au, x. 9900). Kind regards, Danielle wsg 12/22/11 13:31 * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Rob Crowther robe...@boogdesign.com Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:11:07 + Subject: Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites On 20/12/2011 23:44, Chris Price wrote: One advantage I can see in opening a new window (on a larger screen at least) is you can dismiss the page by closing that window rather than feeling you are being taken somewhere you don't want to go. Is this context sensitive? Yes it is context sensitive, and the context which is important is the user's. Since the designer can't know in what context (or for what reason) the user is clicking on any given link it is the user who should be deciding whether to open the link in a new window or not. Rob * From: MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:38:48 + Subject: Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites Janice Schwarz jan...@geekartist.net On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:42 AM, MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop wrote: I'm pretty sure there is no such standard preventing mobile phones from opening new windows because my aging nokia e90 can do it (since one of the early upgrades - move to the link, left shoulder button, Open in New), Firefox on Android can - but it's been a while since I tried an iPhone and I can't remember if that does, but I'd be surprised if not. Â For all the difficulty of fixing iPhones, there's not usually that much glaringly broken on them. Â If there was, they'd not be as popular as they are. So I still think it's a bug if a browser can't open a new window and wonder what phones you've being using. Â Or can someone say what mobile phone standard prevents new windows on links? I have witnessed this on 2 Droids 1 iPhone . This has been the behavior for both versions of the Droid, and the iPhone I used. That's interesting. I wonder if the bug on Androids only affects some manufacturers? I believe the one I tested was from HTC. But no standard preventing user control of windows, then. [...] When the OS informs you that you are exceeding the maximum number of *allowed* windows, that seems more of a limitation than a bug. If you open enough windows on a desktop or laptop, eventually it crashes too. I managed to open 112 windows on my netbook by mistake yesterday (crimes of a dying keyboard). No sign of any crashing, although it took a while to clean up! There is no unlimited number of windows that can be run on any system, and a phone has far fewer resources than a desktop or laptop. This is exactly why new windows should be under user control and not website control, so users can choose where to apply the resources! Hope that informs, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/ * From: coder co...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:16:03 - Subject: Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites In one sense, this argument is fallacious, because whatever the web designer does decides what happens when a user just 'clicks a link'. In my experience, most folk 'out there' don't know about right clicking. To say 'it is the user's choice' is mainly untrue, because he/she doesn't know they've got a choice, and what happens depends upon what the designer has coded. Bob - Original Message - From: Rob Crowther robe...@boogdesign.com To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites On 20/12/2011 23:44, Chris Price wrote: One advantage I can see in opening a new window (on a larger screen at least) is you can dismiss the page by closing that window rather than feeling you are being taken somewhere you don't want to go. Is this context sensitive? Yes it is context sensitive, and the context which is important is the user's. Since the designer can't know in what context (or for what reason) the user is clicking on any given link it is the user who should be deciding whether to open the link in a new window or not. Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help:
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I will be out of the office on Wednesday 14 December with limited access to emails. I will respond to your email when I return on Thursday. Kind regards, Claire Helme wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 12/13/11 19:05 * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:15:55 +1100 Subject: Database Success hi. well. how do i reset the password. and how to do it in the my sql command line. possibly my database could be screwed up or some thing. did get it to work. and now. and just looked in the database script nad it added my name and my phone number. several times. so how to delete the number of times, so i only have my name once. so it is working. in another script, and another folder. so it is working. Marvin. ps: sorry for bothering you guys. so how to remove multiple entries in my database. or just copy it over from the other folder. which has the default. then try running the script. then i get the access denied. but when i look in the other php scrip, in a folder called FourthPHP, it added the record to the database. it is working. minus, the date. and in the database, not showing the date. so my learning purposes, it is working. Marvin.Marvin. * From: Nick Brown n...@bosslevelgames.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:33:38 - Subject: RE: [WSG] Database Success Hey Marvin - I'm not convinced this is the best forum for you to be posting these sorts of queries - why don't you try Stack Overflow - I've never found a better site for answering technical questions. N -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin Sent: 12 December 2011 08:16 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Database Success hi. well. how do i reset the password. and how to do it in the my sql command line. possibly my database could be screwed up or some thing. did get it to work. and now. and just looked in the database script nad it added my name and my phone number. several times. so how to delete the number of times, so i only have my name once. so it is working. in another script, and another folder. so it is working. Marvin. ps: sorry for bothering you guys. so how to remove multiple entries in my database. or just copy it over from the other folder. which has the default. then try running the script. then i get the access denied. but when i look in the other php scrip, in a folder called FourthPHP, it added the record to the database. it is working. minus, the date. and in the database, not showing the date. so my learning purposes, it is working. Marvin.Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** * From: Nancy Johnson njohnso...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:18:28 -0500 Subject: w3c mobile validator and html5? I noticed this validator only checks for xhtml 1.1 basic or mp1.2. Is it going to checking again html5? http://validator.w3.org/mobile/ What about media queries... Is the mobile checker suitable for if you are creating one set of htmls code and for mulitple devices? Thanks, Nancy * From: Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.uk Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:28:56 + Subject: Re: [WSG] w3c mobile validator and html5? On 12/12/2011 17:18, Nancy Johnson wrote: I noticed this validator only checks for xhtml 1.1 basic or mp1.2. Is it going to checking again html5? http://validator.w3.org/mobile/ Not to my knowledge, no. You could argue that it's aimed at older generations of phones/browsers. What about media queries... Is the mobile checker suitable for if you are creating one set of htmls code and for mulitple devices? No. -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com | http://flickr.com/photos/redux/ __ twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke __ * From: Doug Burt flyin...@shaw.ca Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:15:49 -0800 Subject: Re: [WSG] Wamp, Accessibility, How To Reset Passwords In My Sql Marvin, Although this goes way off topic for this
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
Semantic mark-up -- tables for tabular data. On Dec 5, 2011 7:29 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: David McKinnon david...@mac.com Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 18:22:11 +1100 Subject: Divs for tabular data OK, so I'm working on a project in which the developers are laying out tabular data using divs. The site is using the 960 CSS grid system so making the 'tables' work just means applying the appropriate class to align each div/table cell to the grid. They say this is good because: It's fast They can manipulate the resulting DOM much more easily than they could with a table Developers find it easier to, say, add or remove columns from the tables, without having to edit the code all the way down the table (no wysiwyg editors here!) To me this doesn't seem very good because: It's not very semantic (although they've used micro data in the class names for some divs) It doesn't seem very accessible -- I might be wrong about this, but to me good semantics is foundational to accessibility There's a lot of markup -- I know tables aren't exactly light on code, but they seem quite light and efficient in comparison It doesn't seem to me like the code will be very easy to maintain for anyone but the developers. The lead developers assure me that this is good practice for speed and efficiency, but I'm not convinced. Nevertheless, I don't want to be advocating tables as best practice if they aren't. What do you think? Are tables too hard for the real world in large sites or web apps where large amounts of DOM manipulation is required? Or have these guys taken the 'Tables are bad' thing a bit too far? Kind regards, David ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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On Mon 05 Dec 2011 06:25:53 PM PST, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: David McKinnondavid...@mac.com Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 18:22:11 +1100 Subject: Divs for tabular data OK, so I'm working on a project in which the developers are laying out tabular data using divs. The site is using the 960 CSS grid system so making the 'tables' work just means applying the appropriate class to align each div/table cell to the grid. They say this is good because: It's fast They can manipulate the resulting DOM much more easily than they could with a table Developers find it easier to, say, add or remove columns from the tables, without having to edit the code all the way down the table (no wysiwyg editors here!) To me this doesn't seem very good because: It's not very semantic (although they've used micro data in the class names for some divs) It doesn't seem very accessible -- I might be wrong about this, but to me good semantics is foundational to accessibility There's a lot of markup -- I know tables aren't exactly light on code, but they seem quite light and efficient in comparison It doesn't seem to me like the code will be very easy to maintain for anyone but the developers. The lead developers assure me that this is good practice for speed and efficiency, but I'm not convinced. Nevertheless, I don't want to be advocating tables as best practice if they aren't. What do you think? Are tables too hard for the real world in large sites or web apps where large amounts of DOM manipulation is required? Or have these guys taken the 'Tables are bad' thing a bit too far? Kind regards, David ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** Tables are the best way to display tabular data since the method does everything automatically, that is, without the extra work to make divs behave as tables. In my opinion, tables are perfectly adequate as long as they're not used for layout (though I'm guilty of this sin from long ago.) One possibility may be that your developers have an easier time manipulating the grid with CSS when using divs instead of cells. But this is just a guess. -- Regards Alan C Whiteman | Visualis Web Design (562) 305-2862 | http://visualiswebdesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 02:42:02 -
Subject: Content div sticking out the side of container div
Somehow I do not seem to have come across this problem before. I have two
divs, one contained within the other. If the viewport of the browser is
resized to be smaller than the contents of the inner div, the inner div
sticks out the side of the outer container div, which continues to resize
with the browser.
Surely the outer div should stop shrinking when it reaches the width of its
inner div, even if the viewport continues to be shrunk?
How can I fix this so that the outer div will not become any smaller than
the width of its inner div, when the width of the inner div will be unknown?
Here is example code that illustrates this. In my example, the inner div is
set to a fixed width, but for the web site I am developing, I will not know
the width of the inner div.
!DOCTYPE html
htmlheadtitleTest/title
style type=text/css
#wrap {
background:#CCC;
border:2px solid blue;
}
#contents {
width: 800px;
background:#99F;
border:2px solid yellow;
}
/style
/head
body
div id=wrap
Test
div id=contentstest/div
Test
/div
/body
/html
Thanks,
Stephen
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From: Greg Gamblegsga...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 18:51:15 -0800
Subject: RE: [WSG] Content div sticking out the side of container div
Outer Div has a fixed width.
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Stevio
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 6:42 PM
To: Web Standards Group
Subject: [WSG] Content div sticking out the side of container div
Somehow I do not seem to have come across this problem before. I have two
divs, one contained within the other. If the viewport of the browser is
resized to be smaller than the contents of the inner div, the inner div
sticks out the side of the outer container div, which continues to resize
with the browser.
Surely the outer div should stop shrinking when it reaches the width of its
inner div, even if the viewport continues to be shrunk?
How can I fix this so that the outer div will not become any smaller than
the width of its inner div, when the width of the inner div will be unknown?
Here is example code that illustrates this. In my example, the inner div is
set to a fixed width, but for the web site I am developing, I will not know
the width of the inner div.
!DOCTYPE html
htmlheadtitleTest/title
style type=text/css
#wrap {
background:#CCC;
border:2px solid blue;
}
#contents {
width: 800px;
background:#99F;
border:2px solid yellow;
}
/style
/head
body
div id=wrap
Test
div id=contentstest/div
Test
/div
/body
/html
Thanks,
Stephen
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Try using overflow, or perhaps max-width.
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (Out of office reply)
I will be out of the office on Thursday 3rd November with limited access to
emails.
I will respond to your email when I return on Friday 4th.
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From: Stevio redea...@freeuk.com
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 17:52:45 -
Subject: Wrapping text before float drop
If I have two floats side by side, both are floated left as follow:
.myfloat{
float:left;
}
and both contain text as follows:
div class=myfloatLonger amount of text. Longer amount of text. Longer
amount of text. Longer amount of text./div
div class=myfloatSmall amount of text./div
Is there any way to prevent the second div from dropping below the first div
when the viewport is narrowed, without specifying widths for either of the
floats?
What I would like is for the text in the first div to wrap before the second
float drops below the first. Is this possible without using widths?
Thanks.
Stephen
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On Fri 04 Nov 2011 05:02:22 AM PDT, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote:
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From: Stevioredea...@freeuk.com
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 17:52:45 -
Subject: Wrapping text before float drop
If I have two floats side by side, both are floated left as follow:
.myfloat{
float:left;
}
and both contain text as follows:
div class=myfloatLonger amount of text. Longer amount of text. Longer
amount of text. Longer amount of text./div
div class=myfloatSmall amount of text./div
Is there any way to prevent the second div from dropping below the first div
when the viewport is narrowed, without specifying widths for either of the
floats?
What I would like is for the text in the first div to wrap before the second
float drops below the first. Is this possible without using widths?
Thanks.
Stephen
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One possible solution would be to specify a relative width for the
first div and a fixed width for the second div, plus add a min-width to
the second one.
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I am currently out of the office and will respond to your message when I return on Wednesday 2 November. For urgent issues please contact Mary Sabotkoski at mary.sabotko...@rmit.edu.au Kind regards, Claire Helme wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 11/01/11 07:13 * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Stevio redea...@freeuk.com Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:11:04 - Subject: Correct behaviour of fieldset? I have noticed that the behaviour of fieldset is inconsistent across browsers. I am working on a form where I have a fieldset with a 1px border. If the form has a fixed width of 30em, but there is a select list within that form with a width greater than 30em, then the form width will not expand but the fieldset width *may* expand depending on which browser is being used. The fieldset width expands in Firefox and Chrome, but not in IE and Opera. What is the correct behaviour? Thanks, Stephen ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] RE: Best Practice - Content Within Tables
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[WSG] RE: Best Practice - Content Within Tables
Thanks to all who responded, and confirmed my initial view. My reason for asking the obvious is that within a government agency, we seem to have an excess of pickers of nits (often outside of the actual expertise) who just won't take no for an answer. The views offered here gave me several different ways to say the same thing. On top of this, we are using an archaic CMS system (directed to use by those above us) that does not lend itself well to best practices. I really did need those 1,000 different methods to change the light bulb because of the low wattage dim wits that often try to brighten my day with their bug light prowess (BZa!). :) Thanks all! Dennis Dennis Lapcewich US Forest Service Webmaster DRM Civil Rights POC / USFS 508 Taskforce Pacific Northwest Region - Vancouver, WA Voice - 360.891.5024 | Fax - 360.891.5045 Email - dlapcew...@fs.fed.us The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine. -- Ben Franklin, 1706-1790 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] RE: WSG Digest
Hi Tee When trying the max/min width approach, was the Meta Viewport Tag used? The Meta Viewport Tag as found in the Viewport section on http://developer.apple.com/library/safari/#documentation/AppleApplications/Reference/SafariHTMLRef/Articles/MetaTags.html meta name=viewport content=width=device-width,initial-scale = 1.0 is the standard one you'll see around the place including HTML5 Boilerplate. And this compliments the min/max approach (makes it sane). Equally I found using meta name=viewport content=initial-scale=1.0 worked, but I have yet to test it on many devices. The difference between the two are that on iOS the first will always keep the viewport width the same in both orientations, i.e. 320 portrait and landscape on iPhone. Whereas the second will be 320 in portrait and 480 in landscape. There is a bug in iOS that when using either of the above where orientating to landscape zooms the viewport. This was irritating to begin with but only requires a quick pinch to correct. There are hacks that fix it but so far I've only seen ones that disable zoom. I like zoom, so prefer to leave the bug with iOS. If not seen already, PPK's A Tale of Two Viewports is an excellent insight into this crazy world :D http://www.quirksmode.org/mobile/viewports.html all the best, Dave @davesmiths I would love to hear what other think about the approach for device-width vs max/min width. For myself, I have done a couple sites targeting device-width and really think this is better approach. The hype about responsive design got me to try out the max/min width approach, I find that I need to tackle more the the window resizes (and this means writing more CSS rules means penalizing touchscreen device user), and the experience can be quite awful seeing it from desktop browser. I'm sort of in a defeated mood right now, really feel that except the ego to show off, I'm unable to find a convincing reason that desktop user needs to be given a responsive website anything smaller than 800px. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: WSG Digest
On 9/27/11 5:04 AM, Dave Smith wrote: Hi Tee When trying the max/min width approach, was the Meta Viewport Tag used? ::trim:: all the best, Dave @davesmiths Try also, simply: metaname=viewport content=width=device-width ~d -- Desktop. Laptop. Tablet. Mobile! http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: WSG Digest
I wonder if there is a way to restrict mobile phone devices from scaling, but allows touchscreen devices (ipad, samsung galaxy etc) do so. Tee On Sep 27, 2011, at 3:31 AM, David Laakso wrote: On 9/27/11 5:04 AM, Dave Smith wrote: Hi Tee When trying the max/min width approach, was the Meta Viewport Tag used? ::trim:: all the best, Dave @davesmiths *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: Disabled man got 6 years for sextortion
On 2011-09-02 20:38, Jay Tanna wrote: A Southern California disabled man was sentenced Thursday to six years in prison for infiltrating computers belonging to women and teenage girls where he found sexually explicit photos and threatening to put them online unless they provided him with more. [snip] At the risk of sounding callous, while the situation is unfortunate and abhorrent, I'm not sure how it relates to this mailing list, specifically. -- ___ Tom Ditmarszarggg [at] zarggg [dot] net KeyID: 0x34427574 --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: Disabled man got 6 years for sextortion
Agree. While horrible, the topic is not related to web design, development or web standards. THREAD CLOSED Thanks Russ On 03/09/2011, at 12:04 PM, Tom Ditmars zar...@zarggg.net wrote: On 2011-09-02 20:38, Jay Tanna wrote: A Southern California disabled man was sentenced Thursday to six years in prison for infiltrating computers belonging to women and teenage girls where he found sexually explicit photos and threatening to put them online unless they provided him with more. [snip] At the risk of sounding callous, while the situation is unfortunate and abhorrent, I'm not sure how it relates to *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit?
Hi Mathew, Thanks for that info which I knew it's public and forever, and I still have my reason to using the short url when posting link to public list. Apart from this reason: Can anyone see my bitly links? Individual links are permanent by design and are always publicly accessible. You can see your list of publicly viewable links under the Public Timeline link in the Manage tab. This list of your bitly links is available to the public at http://bit.ly/u/[your username]. While the list is public by default, you can turn off access to this list in the Account section of site by clicking on your name and adjusting the settings. Tee On Jul 23, 2011, at 4:55 AM, Mathew Robertson wrote: http://code.google.com/p/bitly-api/wiki/ApiDocumentation#/v3/expand http://bit.ly/oyBzIY+ You should read the fine print ie: if you generate a short url, you can always get back the original url... and its public anyway. cheers, Mathew Robertson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit?
HI Mathew Thanks for this valuable information. Thanks birendra From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Robertson Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:25 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit? http://code.google.com/p/bitly-api/wiki/ApiDocumentation#/v3/expand http://bit.ly/oyBzIY+ http://bit.ly/oyBzIY+ You should read the fine print ie: if you generate a short url, you can always get back the original url... and its public anyway. cheers, Mathew Robertson On 23 July 2011 20:43, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Birendra, It's not strange, what you saw is correct. bit.ly is a short url service. I had reason not wanting to post the url. Wish there is a way to remove that email of yours. Anyhow, thanks for checking. The issue has been fixed. tee On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Birendra wrote: Strange it's take me to the another site *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit?
Hi Birendra, It's not strange, what you saw is correct. bit.ly is a short url service. I had reason not wanting to post the url. Wish there is a way to remove that email of yours. Anyhow, thanks for checking. The issue has been fixed. tee On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Birendra wrote: Strange it's take me to the another site *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit?
http://code.google.com/p/bitly-api/wiki/ApiDocumentation#/v3/expand http://bit.ly/oyBzIY+ You should read the fine print ie: if you generate a short url, you can always get back the original url... and its public anyway. cheers, Mathew Robertson On 23 July 2011 20:43, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Birendra, It's not strange, what you saw is correct. bit.ly is a short url service. I had reason not wanting to post the url. Wish there is a way to remove that email of yours. Anyhow, thanks for checking. The issue has been fixed. tee On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Birendra wrote: Strange it's take me to the another site *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit?
Strange it's take me to the another site http://www.lotusseedsdesign.com/mt/; -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:22 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit? Strange, it works for me. http://bit.ly/oyBzIY tee On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:27 PM, Birendra wrote: Hi Tee The link isn't working. http://bit.ly/oyBzIY; Please can you check the link. Regards Birendra -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:38 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit? p/s: Please ignore my previous thread as it is a static page and the slide images' links to my local server. I have never experienced z-index issue before in webkit browsers and this one really got me. It's been two days still haven't been able to solve. Visit from Chorme or Safari, the slideshow has a transparent layer for texts. I do believe the z-indx order is correct because it works for IE6/7. http://bit.ly/oyBzIY Thank you! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit?
p/s: Please ignore my previous thread as it is a static page and the slide images' links to my local server. I have never experienced z-index issue before in webkit browsers and this one really got me. It's been two days still haven't been able to solve. Visit from Chorme or Safari, the slideshow has a transparent layer for texts. I do believe the z-indx order is correct because it works for IE6/7. http://bit.ly/oyBzIY Thank you! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit?
Hi Tee The link isn't working. http://bit.ly/oyBzIY; Please can you check the link. Regards Birendra -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:38 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit? p/s: Please ignore my previous thread as it is a static page and the slide images' links to my local server. I have never experienced z-index issue before in webkit browsers and this one really got me. It's been two days still haven't been able to solve. Visit from Chorme or Safari, the slideshow has a transparent layer for texts. I do believe the z-indx order is correct because it works for IE6/7. http://bit.ly/oyBzIY Thank you! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit?
Strange, it works for me. http://bit.ly/oyBzIY tee On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:27 PM, Birendra wrote: Hi Tee The link isn't working. http://bit.ly/oyBzIY; Please can you check the link. Regards Birendra -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:38 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Re-ask: z-index bug in webkit? p/s: Please ignore my previous thread as it is a static page and the slide images' links to my local server. I have never experienced z-index issue before in webkit browsers and this one really got me. It's been two days still haven't been able to solve. Visit from Chorme or Safari, the slideshow has a transparent layer for texts. I do believe the z-indx order is correct because it works for IE6/7. http://bit.ly/oyBzIY Thank you! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
On 07/21/2011 09:48 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Stevioredea...@freeuk.com Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:45:33 +0100 Subject: Modal forms - what to call them? I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, I give them two options: 1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form. 2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the form which allows them to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page lists the current records). This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is updated using AJAX. However, what user-friendly descriptive name should I use for the modal forms? I doubt many people know the word modal. Any suggestions? It would be laid out as follows: Add record (pop-up dialog box)? Clicking on 'Add record' takes the user to a new page, while clicking on 'pop-up dialog box' opens the modal form. However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog box'. Any thoughts? Thanks, Stephen * From: Nixon Daviddavid.ni...@altran-cis.co.uk Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 17:53:41 +0200 Subject: RE: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them? I usually go with business activity - business function with my modal forms (SharePoint) e.g. Records - Declare a new record -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Stevio Sent: 20 July 2011 16:46 To: Web Standards Group Subject: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them? I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, I give them two options: 1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form. 2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the form which allows them to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page lists the current records). This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is updated using AJAX. However, what user-friendly descriptive name should I use for the modal forms? I doubt many people know the word modal. Any suggestions? It would be laid out as follows: Add record (pop-up dialog box)? Clicking on 'Add record' takes the user to a new page, while clicking on 'pop-up dialog box' opens the modal form. However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog box'. Any thoughts? Thanks, Stephen *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** * From: Hassan Schroederhas...@webtuitive.com Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 09:18:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them? On 7/20/11 8:45 AM, Stevio wrote: I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, I give them two options: 1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form. 2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the form which allows them to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page lists the current records). This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is updated using AJAX. However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog box'. Any thoughts? Just curious -- why offer a choice? Why not just offer the modal version if JS is enabled and the other if not? What is the user benefit of the non-modal option? And is it enough to justify introducing an extraneous decision into the workflow? Will the target user understand the implications of the choices and pick one unhesitatingly? Or think eh? what? :-) Just askin' ... I agree that, from a usability point of view, having only one choice- one path- offers the best experience. It just sounds more efficient. So, yes, the modal form (no name) when JS is turned on, and the HTML form (again, no name) for when JS is off. To the user there is only one form. -- Regards ~ Alan C Whiteman| Visualis Web Design http://visualis.us | (562) 305-2862 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***attachment: acwhiteman.vcf
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (Out of office)
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (Out of office)
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (Out of office)
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
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[WSG] Re: [Slightly OT]: hasbox tag attribute?
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Scott Elcomb pse...@gmail.com wrote: I've been trying to find more information about a tag attribute I wasn't really aware of until today, called 'hasbox'. Apologies to the group for the noise. Turns out a re-branded 5 year old dhtml script (originally called BoxOver) was the culprit. -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Clerk of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
Scott, That attribute is most likely being injected by your text editor. And it most likely only has a meaning inside that editor You would find that if you try to validate this page it will throw up unknown attribute error. The following provides information on how browsers handle unknown attributes and elements: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ThoughtExperimentInGracefulDegradation Regards Mevlana On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 2:27 PM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Scott Elcomb pse...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 14:18:11 -0400 Subject: [Slightly OT]: hasbox tag attribute? Hi all, I've been trying to find more information about a tag attribute I wasn't really aware of until today, called 'hasbox'. Originally I suspected Internet Explorer, but when I look in either of the Firebug or Google Chrome consoles, I'm seeing this attribute being injected on all kinds of tags. Here's what I think I know: * I don't believe apache is injecting this before sending to the client (I'll be /very/ surprised if that's the case) * I don't believe jQuery (used in the site's construction) is at fault; grep doesn't find hasbox in the source files. * Despite showing up across multiple browsers, I don't believe it's a standard attribute (documentation would be easier to locate) I've asked on stackoverflow, so far without response: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6268640/html-attribute-hasbox An appeal on twitter (linking to the above url) turned up nothing. Does anyone know what this attribute is/does and from whence it comes? TIA, -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems http://code.google.com/p/atomos/ Clerk of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/ ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] RE: Looking for an authority on RTF [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Thanks to those who responded to my request. I've combined my comments into this reply to save on traffic. Ø From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Litchfield Sharon Sent: Tuesday, 24 May 2011 3:18 PM Ø What about ... Ø Vision Australia: Accessible electronic documents (http://www.visionaustralia.org/info.aspx?page=780) Ø Definitely NOT hearsay or folklore! Thanks for the link, Sharon. But it is a bit folkloric, actually, in that it's a simple assertion rather than a detailed explanation. The same result is achieved with a properly-structured Word 97-2003 document. Conversion to RTF often trades one set of accessibility issues for another. Ø From: Chris Beer [mailto:chris-b...@grapevine.net.au] Sent: Tuesday, 24 May 2011 5:48 PM Ø RTF is a topic I am actively exploring with group members at the moment, so your email is certainly timely. Thanks,. Chris. I'll take up your offer to get in touch with you off this list. I should declare that I'm sceptical about RTF, and I believe that there's a groupthink on its value that is unsupportable in practice. I've asked elsewhere for a killer argument in favour of RTF use, but I haven't yet heard it. Thanks again to all. MF From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Freckmann, Martin Sent: Tuesday, 24 May 2011 3:00 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Looking for an authority on RTF [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Hi, all. I'm looking for a study, a report or some other structured analysis on the benefits of using Rich Text Format. I'm looking for an authoritative source to support claims that it's a desirable and viable format that aids accessibility. I've tried searching widely, and have not yet found such a resource. I'm beginning to believe the case for the merits of RTF is either hearsay or folklore. Please - I'm looking for a substantial explanation of the merits of RTF. One-line opinions, rants against Microsoft or PDF, or advice to use HTML instead are all familiar and understood. With thanks for any help. Martin Freckmann --- The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, disclosure, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Security Advisor of the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy, 38 Sydney Ave, Forrest ACT 2603, telephone (02) 6271-1376 and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** --- The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any review, re-transmission, disclosure, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Security Advisor of the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy, 38 Sydney Ave, Forrest ACT 2603, telephone (02) 6271-1376 and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: Looking for an authority on RTF [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
On 6/3/2011 11:30 AM, Freckmann, Martin wrote: Thanks to those who responded to my request. I've combined my comments into this reply to save on traffic. Ø*From:*li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *Litchfield Sharon *Sent:* Tuesday, 24 May 2011 3:18 PM ØWhat about ... ØVision Australia: Accessible electronic documents (http://www.visionaustralia.org/info.aspx?page=780) ØDefinitely NOT hearsay or folklore! Thanks for the link, Sharon. But it is a bit folkloric, actually, in that it's a simple assertion rather than a detailed explanation. The same result is achieved with a properly-structured Word 97-2003 document. Conversion to RTF often trades one set of accessibility issues for another. No, RTF is generally used instead of the .docx format that is pumped out by later versions of MS Word. So really you could use either RTF or .doc, and both will work with Openoffice. They can also be made to be accessible. For that matter even modern PDF's providing they are produced as text based PDFs can be accessible as addobie have done a lot of work to make them accessible. I like using PDF as you can keep branding in tact and the document can't be edited by mistake. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] RE: Site test?
jQuery will work on those devices, if you are going to use jQuery you might also want to look at jQTouch to go with it. There are some things that a library won't help with, such as knowing there is no touch-based equivalent of double-click events. From: Telford Computer Doctor i...@telfordpc.co.uk Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 22:22:09 +0100 Subject: Site test? Good morning/afternoon/evening all, First post here, so go easy ;-) Just in the process of designing a website for a client, just wondering whether iPad, iPhone, mobile users could give me some feedback as to the jQuery used - whether it works basically. http://www.telfordcomputerdoctor.co.uk/lt Only the homepage is complete at the moment, as it is still in design stages. Thanks in advance, Mike @ Telford Computer Doctor *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest
Hi Greeting Hope everything of you goes well For now we just updated our website,you can take your time to check http://www.cheap-brands.com now we have a promotion sale,so if you have order,we will give a good discount to you as our customers,you can get best price+good quality items+best services, Any more info,welcome freely to contact us via email or online chat wishing you have a nice day 2011/5/9 Janet Jaffke jaf...@iit.edu The site is nice and clean and functions well. The font is a bit small but otherwise it seems to get the job done. J *** JANET JAFFKE Director Web/Electronic Communications Illinois Institute of Technology ⓟ 312.567.3155 Ⓕ 312.567.3243 jaf...@iit.edu On May 8, 2011, at 7:42 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 08:34:23 -0400 Subject: RE: [WSG] Desktop. Tablet. Mobile. At 10:38 AM +0530 5/6/11, Birendra wrote: The Site Design is not good. Not good?!? It looks pretty good to me. I wish I had Laakso's design skills. This would make a great example for an AJAX site. Works/looks great on my iPad. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com/ ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Web:www.nfl21.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] RE: Accessible Modal/Lightbox Code
https://github.com/fnagel/jQuery-Accessible-RIA/ looks like a repo that has a few decent jquery style plugins that implement wai-aria and keyboard accessibility to some of the more common design patterns - including a lightbox. Haven't tested it, but a cursory glance looks like it ticks quite a few boxes. S -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Spellacy, Michael Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 12:31 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Accessible Modal/Lightbox Code Hi List! A colleague of mine is looking for accessible modal window code. Anything good out there? Thanks in advance! Regards, Spell *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest
Mevlana, Thank you. This seems to be what I'm looking for. Now I'll just need to experiment with trying to write a javascript (not my forte) that will publish a link to the site on the page if it was not opened as a pop-up and that should fix the problem. Best, Bob Bob, The following site may give you an idea: http://javascript.about.com/library/blpoptest.htm Basically, each popup window has an 'opener'. If the 'opener' exists, then user has come to the page via a popup, else the user has come via another method. Regards Mevlana On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 10:19 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Bob Schwartz b...@fotografics.it Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:14:59 +0200 Subject: pop up windows and Google I have several sites where i use pop-up windows to present certain types of information. When someone does a Google search sometimes Google lists results from these pop-up pages. When the searcher clicks on the Google result he gets the pop-up window as a stand-alone page in his browser with no links to anywhere on the actual site. Savvy people would just delete the part after the domain in the url bar, hit enter and be at the site, but I'm discovering not all are savvy. So, is anyone aware of any clever javascript that would detect if the page had not been opened as a pop-up and write a link to the actual site (and not write the link if opened as a pop-up)? Or, any other suggestion (besides don't use pop-ups)? Thank you, Bob Schwartz ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
Bob, The following site may give you an idea: http://javascript.about.com/library/blpoptest.htm http://javascript.about.com/library/blpoptest.htmBasically, each popup window has an 'opener'. If the 'opener' exists, then user has come to the page via a popup, else the user has come via another method. Regards Mevlana On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 10:19 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Bob Schwartz b...@fotografics.it Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:14:59 +0200 Subject: pop up windows and Google I have several sites where i use pop-up windows to present certain types of information. When someone does a Google search sometimes Google lists results from these pop-up pages. When the searcher clicks on the Google result he gets the pop-up window as a stand-alone page in his browser with no links to anywhere on the actual site. Savvy people would just delete the part after the domain in the url bar, hit enter and be at the site, but I'm discovering not all are savvy. So, is anyone aware of any clever javascript that would detect if the page had not been opened as a pop-up and write a link to the actual site (and not write the link if opened as a pop-up)? Or, any other suggestion (besides don't use pop-ups)? Thank you, Bob Schwartz ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
The site is nice and clean and functions well. The font is a bit small but otherwise it seems to get the job done. J *** JANET JAFFKE Director Web/Electronic Communications Illinois Institute of Technology ⓟ 312.567.3155 Ⓕ 312.567.3243 jaf...@iit.edu On May 8, 2011, at 7:42 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 08:34:23 -0400 Subject: RE: [WSG] Desktop. Tablet. Mobile. At 10:38 AM +0530 5/6/11, Birendra wrote: The Site Design is not good. Not good?!? It looks pretty good to me. I wish I had Laakso's design skills. This would make a great example for an AJAX site. Works/looks great on my iPad. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com/ ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] RE: The pop-up wont resize the window if it overflows the page height under IE !
Hello all,
Sorry for the inconvenience, yesterday I've sent a mail with attached
pictures, I was wondering if anyone on this distribution can help me
to make a popup behave under IE the same as in FF.
The application is in an intranet, so I can't give you a direct link,
but as shown in the below pictures, when I pass the mouse over the
link, in FF I see the right scroll bar (get longer) but in IE nothing
change even if the popup overflow the height of the the page.
Snapshot FF 3.6.16:
http://i56.tinypic.com/6f032g.jpg
Snapshot IE 8.0
http://i51.tinypic.com/spx5vk.png
The CSS:
-
a.info {
font-weight:normal; position:relative; text-decoration:none;
}
a:hover.info {
background:none; text-decoration:none; z-index:10;
}
a.info span {
display:none;
}
a:hover.info span {
background:#FADD7F; border:1px solid #00629F; color:#66;
display:inline; font-size:80%; font-weight:normal; left:20px;
line-height:12px; padding:2px 4px; position:absolute; text-align:left;
top:20px; width:150px; z-index:99;
}
a.info_large {
position:relative; text-decoration:none;
}
a:hover.info_large {
background:none; text-decoration:none; z-index:10;
}
a.info_large span {
display:none;
}
a:hover.info_large span {
background:#FADD7F; border:1px solid #00629F; color:#66;
display:inline; font-size:80%; font-weight:normal; left:20px;
line-height:12px; padding:2px 4px; position:absolute; text-align:left;
top:20px; z-index:99;
}
The HTML:
-
td nowrap=nowrap class=tailleListea class=info_large
href=../odm/odm_management.php?odm_id=20358932035893 img
border=0 src=../images/infos.gifspan23/03/2011 (Stéphane
Schneider) : qsdbr
qsdbr
qsdbr
qsbr
dbr
qsdbr
qsbr
dbr
qsdbr
qsbr
dqsbr
dbr
qsdbr
qsdbr
br
qsdbr
qsdbr
qsd/span/a/td
Any idea about how to figure out with this problem, how to fix the
render of this page to become the same under IE/FF.
PS: Look at the circle and the distance between the scroll bar and the
bottom of the page.
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Re: [WSG] RE: The pop-up wont resize the window if it overflows the page height under IE !
Hi all again, I've posted the same issue here http://stackoverflow.com/q/5579140/165748 but I didn't find any helpful suggestion, should I provide more informations or reformulate my post. Let me know please if I missed any details and I'm very thinkful. Regards. -- Rateb BEN MOUSSA Développeur/Référent technique PHP5 | URL : www.itipart.com | Mob : +216 22 84 70 72 | Skype : rateb.alpha | tn.linkedin.com/in/RatebBENMOUSSA | Linux user #486726 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: The pop-up wont resize the window if it overflows the page height under IE !
Can't make sense of it based on the codes you posted. I think you will have a
better luck if you can copy the page's source codes and make it to a html page
with CSS and Javascript linked, then post the link here.
tee
On Apr 7, 2011, at 1:48 AM, Rateb BEN MOUSSA wrote:
Hello all,
Sorry for the inconvenience, yesterday I've sent a mail with attached
pictures, I was wondering if anyone on this distribution can help me
to make a popup behave under IE the same as in FF.
The application is in an intranet, so I can't give you a direct link,
but as shown in the below pictures, when I pass the mouse over the
link, in FF I see the right scroll bar (get longer) but in IE nothing
change even if the popup overflow the height of the the page.
Snapshot FF 3.6.16:
http://i56.tinypic.com/6f032g.jpg
Snapshot IE 8.0
http://i51.tinypic.com/spx5vk.png
The CSS:
-
a.info {
font-weight:normal; position:relative; text-decoration:none;
}
a:hover.info {
background:none; text-decoration:none; z-index:10;
}
a.info span {
display:none;
}
a:hover.info span {
background:#FADD7F; border:1px solid #00629F; color:#66;
display:inline; font-size:80%; font-weight:normal; left:20px;
line-height:12px; padding:2px 4px; position:absolute; text-align:left;
top:20px; width:150px; z-index:99;
}
a.info_large {
position:relative; text-decoration:none;
}
a:hover.info_large {
background:none; text-decoration:none; z-index:10;
}
a.info_large span {
display:none;
}
a:hover.info_large span {
background:#FADD7F; border:1px solid #00629F; color:#66;
display:inline; font-size:80%; font-weight:normal; left:20px;
line-height:12px; padding:2px 4px; position:absolute; text-align:left;
top:20px; z-index:99;
}
The HTML:
-
td nowrap=nowrap class=tailleListea class=info_large
href=../odm/odm_management.php?odm_id=20358932035893 img
border=0 src=../images/infos.gifspan23/03/2011 (Stéphane
Schneider) : qsdbr
qsdbr
qsdbr
qsbr
dbr
qsdbr
qsbr
dbr
qsdbr
qsbr
dqsbr
dbr
qsdbr
qsdbr
br
qsdbr
qsdbr
qsd/span/a/td
Any idea about how to figure out with this problem, how to fix the
render of this page to become the same under IE/FF.
PS: Look at the circle and the distance between the scroll bar and the
bottom of the page.
--
Cordialement / Regards
--
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Re: [WSG] RE: The pop-up wont resize the window if it overflows the page height under IE !
Here is the zipped page (including CSS and JS) http://db.tt/EntXQ8i Cordialement / Regards -- Rateb BEN MOUSSA Développeur/Référent technique PHP5 | URL : www.itipart.com | Mob : +216 22 84 70 72 | Skype : rateb.alpha | tn.linkedin.com/in/RatebBENMOUSSA | Linux user #486726 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: The pop-up wont resize the window if it overflows the page height under IE !
MSIE8 has some developer tools which includes the ability to highlight a tag. What does the overflow look like, when you hover over that tag? regards, Mathew Robertson On 8 April 2011 01:02, Rateb BEN MOUSSA bmra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all again, I've posted the same issue here http://stackoverflow.com/q/5579140/165748 but I didn't find any helpful suggestion, should I provide more informations or reformulate my post. Let me know please if I missed any details and I'm very thinkful. Regards. -- Rateb BEN MOUSSA Développeur/Référent technique PHP5 | URL : www.itipart.com | Mob : +216 22 84 70 72 | Skype : rateb.alpha | tn.linkedin.com/in/RatebBENMOUSSA | Linux user #486726 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: The pop-up wont resize the window if it overflows the page height under IE !
Can't see it in IE7 XP and IE8 using compatible mode from IE9 in Windows 7. Everything appears correct. My guess is, your screen is shorter in height, and IE (or just IE8? You didn't mention IE7 and IE9) doesn't count the height from a hover thus no horizontal scrollbar. If the layout doesn't use frame this shouldn't be a problem as the left column has enough room in height to accommodate the content area's height. The easier way may be adding some 200 or 300 padding bottom for the content's div using conditional comment - but I don't see there is a div wrapper for content area. Maybe you can add margin-bottom for table, or add a div as a wrapper of table, and add padding-bottom for it. tee On Apr 7, 2011, at 9:41 AM, Rateb BEN MOUSSA wrote: Here is the zipped page (including CSS and JS) http://db.tt/EntXQ8i Cordialement / Regards *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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Try facebook's generated code:
http://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/plugins/like/
iframe
src=http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?hrefamp;layout=standardamp;show_faces=trueamp;width=450amp;action=likeamp;fontamp;colorscheme=lightamp;height=80;
scrolling=no frameborder=0 style=border:none; overflow:hidden;
width:450px; height:80px; allowTransparency=true/iframe
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 11:46:05 -
Subject: html5 and iframes?
I am having a problem with iframes in html5. I am trying to put a facebook
'like' link on a website and the results are not always as expected.
Particularly, IE 7 and 8 show a border AND the box size is different! I am
using this:
iframe id=noborder
src=http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=www.marscovista.co.ukamp;layout=standardamp;show_faces=falseamp;action=likeamp;font=verdanaamp;colorscheme=lightamp;;
/iframe
in conjunction with
#noborder {
border : 0!important;
height : 35px;
width : 600px;
}
It's fine in Firefox, Safari and IE6 (amazingly!), but not in IE7 and 8. Am
I missing something? You can see it in situ here:
http://www.marscovista.fsnet.co.uk/index_beta.html
Any help gratefully recvd!
Thanks,
Bob
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sounds like a .net artefact. i would suggest wrapping the form element in a div, which will carry the immutable ID, this can then remain untouched and used in targeting the child elements, and you're free to iterate your way through instances of the checkbox On 3 March 2011 03:17, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Nancy Johnson njohnso...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 11:13:04 -0500 Subject: looping and inputs We have a situation where there is a checkbox within a loop, there could be 1 to as many as 50 instances depending on the results of a query. The id is checkbox and and is needed to remain the same for dynamic reasons according to the engineer. Therefore won't validate. Has anyone come across this and is there any easy solution? Thanks in advance, Nancy Johnson ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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Hello All,Give this application a go! http://www.convertpdftohtml.net/I haven't used it myself so I cannot vouch for effectivenessCheersMichele Smorgont: +613 9017 6616 | m: +61 415 909 019 | About mee: mich...@maxoz.com.au | w: http://www.socialmedia-max.com | b: http://www.maxoz.com.au | a: pob 6606 st kilda rd central | melbourne VIC | australia | 8008This email contains privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient please delete immediately without printing copying or disseminating. Your advice to the author of the error will be greatly appreciated.please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. Original Message Subject: WSG Digest From: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Fri, February 11, 2011 1:43 pm To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: "David Linden" davi...@vla.vic.gov.au Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:54:05 +1100 Subject: Re: WSG Digest Hi all I'm very interested too. Again, thanks Neeraj. wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 10/02/2011 1:39 PM * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: "Knaus, Bridget" kn...@aciar.gov.au Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:30:10 +1100 Subject: RE: [WSG] PDF Conversion I would be very interested in other people's experiences as well. Thanks for asking the question Neeraj. From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Neeraj Challana Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2011 1:19 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] PDF Conversion Hi all, We need a tool to help us convert our many existing PDF documents into Word and/or HTML to improve the accessibility of our web and intranet content. While there are tools (both freeware and licence ware) available, I would like to get some recommendations and experience of other organisations in selecting and using of such conversion tools. Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks Neeraj *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** * From: "Peter Larsen" p...@rts.dk Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 03:34:51 +0100 Subject: Autosvar - Ikke til stede: WSG Digest Jeg er ikke på skolen i øjeblikket. Men vender tilbage så hurtigt jeg kan I am not at the college at the moment - but I will get back to you as soon as possible Med venlig hilsen/best wishes Peter Larsen Center for Medie og Kommunikation Roskilde Tekniske Skole * From: "Edo Kamal" edo.ka...@macquarie.com Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:37:54 +1100 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest I am currently out of office. I will be back in the office on Thursday, 10 February 2011. For enquiries please contact: Papinder Hamid (x77756) p: +61 2 8237 7756 e: papinder.ha...@macquarie.com Notice: The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. If you received it in error, please tell us immedia tely by return email and delete the document. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files and is not responsible for an y changes made to them by any other person. Macquarie does not warrant or g uarantee that information contained in any email or attached file is free o f viruses, worms, trojan horses or anything else having contaminating or de structive properties and has not been intercepted and interfered with durin g transmission. It is your sole responsibility to protect yourself against such risk and, by opening any email or attached file you agree to assume a ll risks associated with electronic data transmission. Electronic communica tions carried within the Macquarie system may be monitored. Macquarie Funds Group services are provided by Macquarie Bank Limited ABN 46 008 583 542 o r one of its related entities. * From: "Eduardo Vackflores E." ev...@oaks.cl Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 18:38:57 -0800 Subject: En Vacaciones Re: WSG Digest Hola, estoy de vacaciones hasta el 21 de febrero! Cualquier cosa comunicarse con Abigail Norambuena abig...@mente.cl o al fono 7146470 muchas gracIas Atte Eduardo V MENTE ENAXXION * From: Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:00:59 +1100
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Hi, Can you please remove me from your distribution list. Regards Cinnamon Fleming Senior Consultant - ATO Graduate Program LD Shared Services | Corporate Services and Law Australian Taxation Office Phone: 02 937 48393 | Facsimile: 02 937 42137 ATO | Working for all Australians -Original Message- From: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org] Sent: Saturday, 12 February 2011 00:43 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: WSG Digest * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: David Linden davi...@vla.vic.gov.au Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:54:05 +1100 Subject: Re: WSG Digest Hi all I'm very interested too. Again, thanks Neeraj. wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 10/02/2011 1:39 PM * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Knaus, Bridget kn...@aciar.gov.au Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:30:10 +1100 Subject: RE: [WSG] PDF Conversion I would be very interested in other people's experiences as well. Thanks for asking the question Neeraj. From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Neeraj Challana Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2011 1:19 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] PDF Conversion Hi all, We need a tool to help us convert our many existing PDF documents into Word and/or HTML to improve the accessibility of our web and intranet content. While there are tools (both freeware and licence ware) available, I would like to get some recommendations and experience of other organisations in selecting and using of such conversion tools. Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks Neeraj *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** * From: Peter Larsen p...@rts.dk Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 03:34:51 +0100 Subject: Autosvar - Ikke til stede: WSG Digest Jeg er ikke på skolen i øjeblikket. Men vender tilbage så hurtigt jeg kan I am not at the college at the moment - but I will get back to you as soon as possible Med venlig hilsen/best wishes Peter Larsen Center for Medie og Kommunikation Roskilde Tekniske Skole * From: Edo Kamal edo.ka...@macquarie.com Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:37:54 +1100 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest I am currently out of office. I will be back in the office on Thursday, 10 February 2011. For enquiries please contact: Papinder Hamid (x77756) p: +61 2 8237 7756 e: papinder.ha...@macquarie.com Notice: The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. If you received it in error, please tell us immedia tely by return email and delete the document. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files and is not responsible for an y changes made to them by any other person. Macquarie does not warrant or g uarantee that information contained in any email or attached file is free o f viruses, worms, trojan horses or anything else having contaminating or de structive properties and has not been intercepted and interfered with durin g transmission. It is your sole responsibility to protect yourself against such risk and, by opening any email or attached file you agree to assume a ll risks associated with electronic data transmission. Electronic communica tions carried within the Macquarie system may be monitored. Macquarie Funds Group services are provided by Macquarie Bank Limited ABN 46 008 583 542 o r one of its related entities. * From: Eduardo Vackflores E. ev...@oaks.cl Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 18:38:57 -0800 Subject: En Vacaciones Re: WSG Digest Hola, estoy de vacaciones hasta el 21 de febrero! Cualquier cosa comunicarse con Abigail Norambuena abig...@mente.cl o al fono 7146470 muchas gracIas Atte Eduardo V MENTE ENAXXION * From: Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:00:59 +1100 Subject: Re: [WSG] PDF Conversion Hi Neeraj, Some questions: 1. are you also aiming to make the PDF's accessible? (i.e. tagged PDFs) 2. why PDF to Word? I have found there is little benefit in this type of conversion. I just checked with a blind user now - asking is there any advantage in Word over PDF? His answer: If
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What exactly are you wanting to achieve? Where have you seen this effect before? Give us an example please. On 7 January 2011 03:26, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: David Hucklesby huckle...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:21:47 -0800 Subject: IE hasLayout - the long and short of it Here's my attempt to put a gradient behind some headings. To get Microsoft's gradient filter to work, I must give the headers layout. This causes the headings to expand in width in IE6, and to shrink in IE7: http://thewebwiz.net/temp/has-layout-long-and-short/ Any solution, even a scripting one, will be most gratefully welcome. Thank you for your time. Cordially, David -- ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** -- Darren Barden Creative Director | Web Services Team | Pilcrow Multimedia ⌂ 164/72 Kowinka Street, White Rock, Queensland, Australia 4868 ☏ 0740362419 ✆ +61405847449 ✉ darren.a.bar...@pilcrowmultimedia.com.au Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: [WD]: mobile [+1]
On 12/29/10 10:59 PM, David Laakso wrote:
On 12/29/10 9:34 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
On Dec 30, 2010, at 7:57 AM, David Laakso wrote:
- the box for a link on an active page is a pixel or two wider than
the other links
I am aware of this and have not been able to determine if it my
error or
browser bug. On desktop WebKit/Safari/FF/Opera get it right, whereas
Chrome gets it wrong. Or, the other way around depending on how it
is set.
nav ul li strong, body#p nav ul li strong, body.about nav ul li
strong, body.contact nav ul li strong {
display: block;
margin: auto;
padding: 10px 0 14px; /* change */
overflow: hidden; /*-- really needed ??? */
width: 93%!important; /*--- remove */
text-align:center; /*--- add */
}
Philippe
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You'll find your off-list suggestion on my server on re-load.
Thank you so much, Philippe!
Best,
~d
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RE: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest
Seconded. N -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas Bower Sent: 19 December 2010 07:20 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest Hi Mods can you possibly drop emails from list and digest with subject containing out of office or autoreply?? 20-50% (at times) of emails I get from this list are a digest wholly consisting of ringing out of office responses. Pretty standard list filter to apply. And for the people doing this many thanks for the escalation points perhaps I'll try one over the break. :) On 19/12/2010, at 12:58 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Ruth, Jodie jodie.r...@environment.gov.au Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 00:49:37 +1100 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest I am out of the office from Friday December 17 2010, returning Tuesday Janua ry 4, 2011. Please direct any web-related questions to web.helpd...@environm ent.gov.au or phone x9883), or Intranet to intranet.helpd...@environment.gov .au (x9770) Kind regards, Jodie Ruth If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments h ave been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e- mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. * From: Laurence-Rogers, Ben ben.laurence-rog...@environment.gov.au Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 00:51:25 +1100 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest Holidays! I will be out of the office till the 5th of Jan - if you need to c ontact me - ben.jordanrog...@gmail.com or 0430472072 If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments h ave been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e- mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. * From: Julien Viard jul...@10collective.com.au Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 05:52:23 -0800 Subject: Out of Office Re: WSG Digest The 10collective crew are currently out celebrating well earned xmas fun and we will not be back in the office until Monday 20th Dec at 9:00 We will respond to all queries when we return. Merry Christmas Julien * From: Edo Kamal edo.ka...@macquarie.com Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 00:53:00 +1100 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest I am currently out of office. I will be back in the office tomorrow on Mond ay, 20 December 2010. For enquiries please contact: Papinder Hamid (x77756) p: +61 2 8237 7756 e: papinder.ha...@macquarie.com Notice: The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. If you received it in error, please tell us immedia tely by return email and delete the document. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files and is not responsible for an y changes made to them by any other person. Macquarie does not warrant or g uarantee that information contained in any email or attached file is free o f viruses, worms, trojan horses or anything else having contaminating or de structive properties and has not been intercepted and interfered with durin g transmission. It is your sole responsibility to protect yourself against such risk and, by opening any email or attached file you agree to assume a ll risks associated with electronic data transmission. Electronic communica tions carried within the Macquarie system may be monitored. Macquarie Funds Group services are provided by Macquarie Bank Limited ABN 46 008 583 542 o r one of its related entities. * From: tee weblis...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 03:20:27 -0800 Subject: disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to no special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see an un-styled page as if the style sheet has switch off. Can this be done? Thanks! tee * From: Russ Weakley r
Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest
You know, we're all honestly glad that you've been able to get away for your season's holidays and everytime a post you've linked to comes up we get reminded of it yet again. Please people, change your list settings BEFORE you go away so that we don't all get jealous while we're stuck here slaving away while you're off sucking back a margarita somewhere's warm and sunny. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year... Cheers, Doug Burt - Original Message - From: Nick Brown n...@bosslevelgames.com To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 2:52 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest Seconded. N -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas Bower Sent: 19 December 2010 07:20 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest Hi Mods can you possibly drop emails from list and digest with subject containing out of office or autoreply?? 20-50% (at times) of emails I get from this list are a digest wholly consisting of ringing out of office responses. Pretty standard list filter to apply. And for the people doing this many thanks for the escalation points perhaps I'll try one over the break. :) On 19/12/2010, at 12:58 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Ruth, Jodie jodie.r...@environment.gov.au Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 00:49:37 +1100 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest I am out of the office from Friday December 17 2010, returning Tuesday Janua ry 4, 2011. Please direct any web-related questions to web.helpd...@environm ent.gov.au or phone x9883), or Intranet to intranet.helpd...@environment.gov .au (x9770) Kind regards, Jodie Ruth If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments h ave been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e- mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. * From: Laurence-Rogers, Ben ben.laurence-rog...@environment.gov.au Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 00:51:25 +1100 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest Holidays! I will be out of the office till the 5th of Jan - if you need to c ontact me - ben.jordanrog...@gmail.com or 0430472072 If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments h ave been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e- mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. * From: Julien Viard jul...@10collective.com.au Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 05:52:23 -0800 Subject: Out of Office Re: WSG Digest The 10collective crew are currently out celebrating well earned xmas fun and we will not be back in the office until Monday 20th Dec at 9:00 We will respond to all queries when we return. Merry Christmas Julien * From: Edo Kamal edo.ka...@macquarie.com Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 00:53:00 +1100 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest I am currently out of office. I will be back in the office tomorrow on Mond ay, 20 December 2010. For enquiries please contact: Papinder Hamid (x77756) p: +61 2 8237 7756 e: papinder.ha...@macquarie.com Notice: The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. If you received it in error, please tell us immedia tely by return email and delete the document. Macquarie does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files and is not responsible for an y changes made to them by any other person. Macquarie does not warrant or g uarantee that information contained in any email or attached file is free o f viruses, worms, trojan horses or anything else having contaminating or de structive properties and has not been intercepted and interfered with durin g transmission. It is your sole responsibility to protect yourself against such risk and, by opening any email or attached file you agree to assume a ll risks associated with electronic data transmission. Electronic communica tions carried within the Macquarie system may be monitored. Macquarie Funds Group services are provided by Macquarie Bank Limited ABN 46 008 583 542 o r one of its related entities
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
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We all go through this every holiday season Nick. Look at the big picture. Russ provides us with a great resource. For free. 1st auto responder message, and you are gone. Guilty until proven guilty. Just look at the first line, or header, then delete. That's the deal. And Russ could charge. He doesn't. Thanks Russ. You are Legend. Oh, and By the way. Lazy listers who reply or forward without truncating the previous 47 or so other lister's reponses are FAR more annoying. And waste far too much bandwidth Think about that Nick. Then look at your email. IMHO, Love and peace to you all, thanks Russ, and Merry Christmas Sincerely. Chris Sent from my iPhone On 19/12/2010, at 6:20 PM, Nicholas Bower n...@petangent.net wrote: Hi Mods can you possibly drop emails from list and digest with subject containing out of office or autoreply?? 20-50% (at times) of emails I get from this list are a digest wholly consisting of ringing out of office responses. Pretty standard list filter to apply. And for the people doing this many thanks for the escalation points perhaps I'll try one over the break. :) On 19/12/2010, at 12:58 AM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
