On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:58:34 -0500, berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I presume the right behavior is that the margin don't dependent of their
parents margin isn't it? (Taking off position relative change nothing).
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You may want to check this:
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Mordechai,
I can't speak for everybody, but as the person responsible for designing and
creating websites whose sole purpose is to bring new business into the
company; my main focus is the majority that comes to our sites. The
overwhelming majority (about 70%) of visitors use MSIE 5/6. If I have
As a person, you can of course say fuck you to IE, but as a web
professional I find it impossible to ignore it. [ Ben de Groot -
http://mathibus.com/archives/2004/10/02/phpss/#comment-3 ]
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:52:46 -0600, Collin Davis
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Mordechai,
I can't speak for
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:46:56 +0100, Mathias Bynens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a person, you can of course say fuck you to IE, but as a web
professional I find it impossible to ignore it. [ Ben de Groot -
http://mathibus.com/archives/2004/10/02/phpss/#comment-3 ]
It's totally true. IE is a
the relative positioning did the trick wonderfully.
as for the background color, this is maybe fixed? I'm not sure what
you are seeing exactally. What browser / platfrom / color depth?
Maybe you could shoot me a screenshot if this proplem persists?
thanks very much!
~j
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004
If you make commercial sites you must live with the fact that it is mainly
for IE.
Loudest f. you I can tell to IE is Firebar:
http://hpstudios.homeip.net/Firebar.html
Usually I don't have to trash the code with conditional comments.
* html {}
and
* {}
css hacks are enough.
I try to make pages
Collin Davis wrote:
I can't speak for everybody, but as the person responsible for designing and
creating websites whose sole purpose is to bring new business into the
company; my main focus is the majority that comes to our sites.
As I though I explained before, and as I'll try to clarify some
The point I was trying to make was that my audience primarily uses IE (as I
dare say, so do most commercial web audiences). As such, I design my sites
to work first and foremost *for* IE. The bashing of head against the
proverbial brick wall comes from trying to make my standards-compliant sites
Right on, Vicki. Additionally, conditional comments are not blocked in IE
--as is JavaScript-- if the user has her Security setting at High.
David
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:15:12 +0800, Vicki Berry
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I don't believe Mordechai was suggesting anyone ignore IE -- rather
Mordechai Pellar wrote:
So you limit yourself to what NN4.x and can handle? It was NN4.x and
older browsers that the phrase unstyled or lightly styled was
directed, unless you consider CSS dumb down to IE standards (admittedly,
that usually amounts to no more than a slight margin, but a
Thank you for the information. After reading the article and the CSS 2
specification. I can say that only Mozilla have the right way Netscape 7.0
doesn't work like CSS 2 specification. I think If the css2 remove the
collapsing problem for the horizontal margin why don't they do it for the
Mordechai Peller wrote:
I know there's a certain degree of revulsion to using JavaScript, but
that's because it wasn't used properly. It's a very powerful language,
and when combined with the DOM, and used responsibly, it can do many
wonderful things.
--
I agree with you
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:16:52 -0500, berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Why all this fuss
just for having headhache?
Without it we would have a headache how to have consistent margins
between different elements ;)
Regards,
Rimantas
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Good day all,
I have to concur with Collin about designing for IE first and foremost. I
run a design firm in Dallas, and the dominate browser is the US is
certainly IE therefore it would be less then prudent or rational to design
for FF/Opera/NN/Safari etc.
I also understand and take advantage
Hi All,
two comments fascinated me:
[1]
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From: Vicki Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
[snip]
My own method of preference in these circumstances is the use of
conditional comments for IE.
[2]
- Original Message -
From: Kornel Lesinski
Collin Davis wrote:
The bashing of head against the proverbial brick wall comes from trying to make
my standards-compliant sites work the same in FF/Opera/NN/Safari as they do in
IE. I first make sure the sites look and perform the way I want in both MSIE 5
and 6. After that is successful, I
Collin Davis wrote:
Since IE doesn't recognize :hover apart from anchor tags, I only use :hover on anchor tags.
As I have done as well. Though now I'm wondering why not just use an
onmouseover, hidden by either conditional comments or conditional
compilation, as well?
However, if NN4.x was
I think it is important *not to* buildtest in IE first.
You have to avoid building your code on top of some IE bug/quirk.
It is much less work to force IE to behave well,
than making all other browsers misbehave like IE.
For that matter I build and test pages for Firefox and Opera7 first
(having
Mordechai Peller wrote:
And there's your mistake. As has been discussed many times on this list
and elsewhere, it's much easier and faster to first code to standards
and then correct for IE.
I may be a duck out of water here, but I don't find it to be so. I've done
it both ways, and marking
You have to avoid building your code on top of some IE bug/quirk.
The only bug/quirk with IE that I've come across that needed my attention
was the big one: box model. I prefer to use the box in a box sort of
workaround, rather than tantek, SBMH, modified SBMH or alternate BMHs,
simply because I
The only bug/quirk with IE that I've come across that needed my attention
was the big one: box model. I prefer to use the box in a box sort of
workaround
This needs excessive divs and without IE support for '' selector requires
them additionally messed with lots of id/classes.
Why serve any
Hi all:
I'm fairly new to the CSS game and have been playing with the CSS tool,
Stylemaster, which is pretty easy to use and has been a great help to me in
learning how to layout a CSS web site.
What I'm wondering though, is now that a large number of web
producers/designers are using CSS for
Coming from a design background, I still feel most comfortable doing all
mockups and design work in editing programs. I do all preliminary work on
paper, transfer into Photoshop and finish all logo work in Illustrator. One
of the things you have to remember is unless you're doing a personal
I am learning CSS tricks (I know the star hack) but where can I find out
about Vicki's 'conditional comments' and Kornel's *{} ?? Where is this
stuff documented?
http://positioniseverything.net/explorer.html
is a great resource for IE bugs and hacks.
Conditional Comments:
re: and even not all stylesheets are 'pure', take this one:
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Hi All
I want to put some code into a page for people to cut and paste.
for example, I'd like the page to say
Simply add this code to your site:
a href=http://www.csatravelprotection.com; title=Purchase travel insurance
from CSA Travel Protection Travel Insurance/a - CSA Travel Protection
Or
Took your code, ran it in IE6, no bulklets
Graham
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ted Drake
Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2004 9:06 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] why is IE showing bullets?
Ok, I've got some inheritance
Can't seem to get to the URL you provided (or it's being particularly slow),
but looking at the CSS you have in your email, there's a stray double quote
border: 0;
Remove that , and see if that cures it.
Patrick
Ted Drake wrote:
Ok, I've got some inheritance problems. I keep waiting for my rich
Ted Drake wrote:
I want to put some code into a page for people to cut and paste.
for example, I'd like the page to say
Simply add this code to your site:
a href=http://www.csatravelprotection.com; title=Purchase travel insurance from CSA Travel
Protection Travel Insurance/a - CSA Travel
WSG members,
It is completely unacceptable to swear/use profane language on the WSG list.
This has been mentioned many times on list including the last time we had
this sort of incident, when Peter Firminger (listdad) wrote:
I can be blue to people I know in person but profanity... is simply not
Good morning
I have the following hacks in a stylesheet which validates except for
the hacks.
/*hide from MacIE\*/
* html #content {
height: 1%;
}/*end hide*/
*html ul li {height: 1em;}
*html#footer{/*for ie */
\height: 3.25em; /*for ie5*/
he\ight: 3.2em;/*for ie6*/
}
*html #content
Well, code comes especially useful compared to pre when you
need to reference some code inline. For example:
pUse codelen(varA/var);/code do determine the
size of an array varA/var./p
Like you see, I have used the var element to denote variables -
actually I've never seen this being done
Title: RE: [WSG] Why style to IE?
Thanks for the Dean Edwards link!
ByteDreams
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mordechai Peller
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 2:01 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Why
Title: RE: [WSG] Why style to IE?
One other thing... Have you not used this method yourself for any particular reason, other than the opportunity just didn't present itself? Just curious.
ByteDreams
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:13:28 -0500, Anthony Zeoli wrote:
Are designers still designing full site
templates in Illustrator, then porting them over to Photoshop to tweak the
graphics, exporting Fireworks for slicing and saving to .gif and .jpg/png,
then placing those images using CSS
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