[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2006-02-13 Thread Felicity Farr
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Re: [WSG] accessible drill-down into a nested list

2006-02-13 Thread Ian Anderson
Paul Novitski wrote: Tell me if this would be a better scenario: When you select a menu item, the page reloads with a set of breadcrumbs that spells out the history of selected menu items, such as: I think you are correct to be concerned about the issue, but this may not be the optimal

[WSG] Feedback on ISO Standard Version of Access For All Metadata

2006-02-13 Thread Geoff Deering
Original Message Subject:reminder about new standard... Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:12:50 -0700 From: ozewai [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozewai [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mailing List Information, including unsubscription instructions are

[WSG] [IE 6 Problem] -Container will not align centre to the page.

2006-02-13 Thread Omen King
Hello WSG,I have gone about creating this site for a class I have. I have been using in the past XHTML 1.0 strict but the doctype we must use is XHTML 1.1 Strict and it is giving me trouble. The overall design would not be something I would use as a design but my hands are tied because of the

Re: [WSG] [IE 6 Problem] -Container will not align centre to the page.

2006-02-13 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Omen King wrote: I have gone about creating this site for a class I have. I have been using in the past XHTML 1.0 strict but the doctype we must use is XHTML 1.1 Strict and it is giving me trouble. Firstly, XHTML 1.1 Strict doesn't exist, it's just XHTML 1.1. Don't confuse it with XHTML 1.0

[WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Chris Taylor
A large university here in the UK offers web design courses. But I don't hold out much hope for the future when they have things like this in their syllabus: Without the use of tables, all web pages would have to be presented in purely linear form. Many creative uses of the screen would be

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread standards
Chris, I've conducted several courses in CSS at a local community college where CSS-based designs are emphasized. The faculty and students embrace Web Standards, and understand the inherit value of using standard's technologies. All is not lost :) Respectfully yours, Mario S. Cisneros A large

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Stephen Stagg
That's a major reason why I didn't go to university, you don't learn nuffink(sic. :) ) useful. and have to pay around £10,000 for the privilege Stephen On 13 Feb 2006, at 15:24, Chris Taylor wrote: A large university here in the UK offers web design courses. But I don't hold out much

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Juergen Auer
Hello, On 13 Feb 2006 at 15:24, Chris Taylor wrote: Without the use of tables, all web pages would have to be presented in purely linear form. thanks about such a sequence (or joke?). Ok, I read the same on the 'lesson4.html', there this is not a joke. But it's interesting to read such a

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Minh D. Tran
I personally believe as "Accessibility Evangelists," part of our responsibilities is to bring this to their attention. These are web designing instructors, they are teaching more and more people to design the "tables" way, which is the exact way that we are trying eliminate.Stephen Stagg [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Jay Gilmore
Minh D. Tran wrote: I personally believe as Accessibility Evangelists, part of our responsibilities is to bring this to their attention. These are web designing instructors, they are teaching more and more people to design the tables way, which is the exact way that we are trying eliminate.

Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-13 Thread Jude Robinson
Stuart Sherwood wrote: Any such aberration of 'rights' that necessarily violates the legitimate rights of others is destructive to our liberty. True when the others are people. But we're discussing a scenario where the other is a company, and that scenario has radically different

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Minh D. Tran
One of our responsibility as a member of the WSG is to "Promote "web standards" within the development community," so here is our chance. If we don't do anything about this, than that totallydefeats the purpose of WSG's existence. Where do we start?Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minh D.

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Minh D. Tran wrote: One of our responsibility as a member of the WSG is to Promote web standards within the development community, so here is our chance. If we don't do anything about this, than that totally defeats the purpose of WSG's existence. Where do we start? Well, as a start, I

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Tom Livingston
On 2/13/06 3:23 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minh D. Tran wrote: One of our responsibility as a member of the WSG is to Promote web standards within the development community, so here is our chance. If we don't do anything about this, than that totally defeats the purpose

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread James Gollan
Chris Taylor wrote: And, a larger question for us all: what are we as web standards and accessibility evangelists to do about the continued ingorance and apathy towards this vital subject, especially in academia? Let's hope that the recent Target website court case in the US highlights the

Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-13 Thread Stuart Sherwood
Jude Robinson wrote: Only companies/institutions are required to comply with accessibility legislation (in the UK, and US as far as I'm aware). Accessibility legislation does not require individuals to comply with it, rightly so. I thought individuals owned and worked in companies...

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Minh D. Tran
Great! Please keep us up to date as I am very interested in hearing about it. Also, let me know if there's anything I can do. Thank you."Patrick H. Lauke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minh D. Tran wrote: One of our responsibility as a member of the WSG is to "Promote "web standards" within the

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Minh D. Tran wrote: Great! Please keep us up to date as I am very interested in hearing about it. Also, let me know if there's anything I can do. Thank you. I got an auto-reply telling me he left Leads to work at Manchester Uni. I forwarded the email to the two alternate contacts the email

RE: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Herrod, Lisa
:) good work Jimmy G, and thanks for the good press! looking forward to coming out there... you know if there was ever a chance to teach the usability I'd jump at it! lisa -Original Message- From: James Gollan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2006 8:00 AM To:

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Ric Raftis
James Gollan wrote: I feel it is worth pointing out that not all educational institutions are still teaching table based design. As an educator I feel I am in a great position to make a difference at a 'grass roots' level. Students studying web design at our college (Ultimo TAFE) are exposed

Recall: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Herrod, Lisa
Herrod, Lisa would like to recall the message, [WSG] Web design education. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/13/06, James Gollan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Taylor wrote: And, a larger question for us all: what are we as web standards and accessibility evangelists to do about the continued ingorance and apathy towards this vital subject, especially in academia? Let's hope that the recent

RE: Recall: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Peter Williams
From: Herrod, Lisa Herrod, Lisa would like to recall the message, [WSG] Web design education. Lisa Herrod is funny :-) -- Peter Williams ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Minh D. Tran
At least we know now that that class "designing with tables" is not being taught as we're speaking..."Patrick H. Lauke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minh D. Tran wrote: Great! Please keep us up to date as I am very interested in hearing about it. Also, let me know if there's anything I can do. Thank

[WSG] print style question

2006-02-13 Thread Ted Drake
HI All I've got a nagging issue. It's on a local directory, so I can't share the url. I've got a page with two large tables. Each is in its own container div. I'd like to get the second table to print on its own page. I've already made both containing divs block level and applied the

[WSG] Colour Contrast Analyser - Firefox Extension 0.2

2006-02-13 Thread Steven . Faulkner
Gez Lemon, of Juicy Studio has released a Colour Contrast Analyser - Firefox Extension 0.2 [http://juicystudio.com/article/colour-contrast-analyser-firefox-extension.php] The Colour Contrast Analyser Firefox extension lists colour combinations used in the document in a table that

Re: Recall: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Terrence Wood
Herrod, Lisa wrote: Herrod, Lisa would like to recall the message, [WSG] Web design education. What does that mean and where does it come from? Someone else sent me one of those recently. ** The discussion list for

RE: [WSG] [IE 6 Problem] -Container will not align centre to the page.

2006-02-13 Thread Andrew Brown
Thank you Hunt, I hadn't even noticed I included that xml tag. I was playing around with SVG shapes half of year ago and I grabbed the Doctype from that document without thought. Thank you for the reminder. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: Recall: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Samuel Richardson
It's an Outlook feature to recall emails once they've been sent, only useful if everyone in your organisation is running Outlook though. Terrence Wood wrote: Herrod, Lisa wrote: Herrod, Lisa would like to recall the message, [WSG] Web design education. What does that mean and where does

Re: Recall: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Mark Harris
Terrence Wood wrote: Herrod, Lisa wrote: Herrod, Lisa would like to recall the message, [WSG] Web design education. What does that mean and where does it come from? Someone else sent me one of those recently. Generally, it means someone is using Outlook on an MS-Exchange server as their

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread James Gollan
Christian Montoya wrote: On 2/13/06, James Gollan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Taylor wrote: And, a larger question for us all: what are we as web standards and accessibility evangelists to do about the continued ingorance and apathy towards this vital subject, especially in

Re: [WSG] accessible drill-down into a nested list

2006-02-13 Thread Terrence Wood
Ian Anderson: I think this would be immensely bad design for screen reader users. This is a site map. What you may be missing is that too many links are the bane of a screen reader user's life. They rely on using links as a kind of binary tree to navigate the site - the last thing they

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Paula Petrik
FWIW. Here's an interesting item. Using the Syllabus Finder at the Center for History New Media, I searched for web design. The search returned about 189,000 results. As I looked through the first couple of pages of listings, I was struck by the range of departments in the web design ed

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread James Gollan
Ric Raftis wrote: James Gollan wrote: I feel it is worth pointing out that not all educational institutions are still teaching table based design. As an educator I feel I am in a great position to make a difference at a 'grass roots' level. Students studying web design at our college (Ultimo

Re: Recall: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread James Gollan
Mark Harris wrote: Terrence Wood wrote: Herrod, Lisa wrote: Herrod, Lisa would like to recall the message, [WSG] Web design education. What does that mean and where does it come from? Someone else sent me one of those recently. Generally, it means someone is using Outlook on an MS-Exchange

RE: Recall: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Herrod, Lisa
Man you guys are tough! I've only had 3 hours sleep! I was just trying to not flood the list with personal emails! Thanks for the kind words James, as always, you know I'd love to come back into TAFE to rally the troops! -Original Message- From: James Gollan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

2006-02-13 Thread Derek
thx for the link... I've had trouble before with three-column layouts; Will study the code -- Sincerely, Derek E. Land, Creative Director email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile: 1-585-880-6513 the ideastreet media www.theideastreet.com 1-585-728-2748

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

2006-02-13 Thread Ric Raftis
Al Sparber wrote: We're compiling a folder of CSS layouts. Feel free to play. There'll be more. http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/holy-gruel/juanpercent.htm OK, I'll be the silly bugger who asks. Why is the layout using a HTML 4.01 Transitional DTD? Just curious. Regards, Ric

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

2006-02-13 Thread Al Sparber
From: Ric Raftis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Al Sparber wrote: We're compiling a folder of CSS layouts. Feel free to play. There'll be more. http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/holy-gruel/juanpercent.htm OK, I'll be the silly bugger who asks. Why is the layout using a HTML 4.01

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

2006-02-13 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/13/06, Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ric Raftis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Al Sparber wrote: We're compiling a folder of CSS layouts. Feel free to play. There'll be more. http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/holy-gruel/juanpercent.htm OK, I'll be the silly bugger

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

2006-02-13 Thread Al Sparber
Christian Montoya wrote: Yes, but if you don't use HTML 4.01 Strict, you will get quirks mode from some browsers. I think that's what Ric was wondering. Eh, not on that page - but if it's important, here you go: http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/holy-gruel/juanpercent-strict.htm

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

2006-02-13 Thread Derek
thx for the link... I've had trouble before with three-column layouts; Will study the code -- Sincerely, Derek E. Land, Creative Director email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile: 1-585-880-6513 the ideastreet media www.theideastreet.com 1-585-728-2748

Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-13 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/13/06, Duckworth, Nigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stuart Sherwood wrote: I believe there is no right to access services. Any such aberration of 'rights' that necessarily violates the legitimate rights of others is destructive to our liberty. I agree. There is no such thing as the

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Michael Nelson
Ric Raftis wrote:It was interesting reading your post James because it seems that TAFEs across the country may vary widely despite courses supposedly being drawn from a national based syllabus and providing national accreditation. Related to this, I reckon one of the biggest problems causing a

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

2006-02-13 Thread Paul Dwyer
Little typo just before the head there Al: an extra [ lang=en ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

2006-02-13 Thread Paul Dwyer
Wierd... killed half my own post with a bracket :) The rest should read validates once it is removed. —pd—

Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel

2006-02-13 Thread Al Sparber
From: Paul Dwyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wierd... killed half my own post with a bracket :) The rest should read validates once it is removed. much appreciated :-) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See