[zbmethod] Re: Let's organize
I was sort of half kidding. Mainly, I wanted to emphisize that it isn't the runtime of ACube we need to worry about but typing out all the input lines. -Doug --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I really have no intentions to learn ZBLL, but I do believe in the > method. I'll do everything I can to assist in the effort. I have to > disagree with you though Doug, in regards to eliminating group C. > While you could be the main core of the group with your army of > computers, I think it would be a bad idea to rely entirely on one > person for this aspect of the effort. > > As a side note, I know acube has the highest potential in finding > sequences, but cube explorer and even Ron's block solver can be > used. I've found a few gems using both tools, even though one is > fast and usually gives you nothing, and the other is painfully slow. > > As far as the individual groups go, they're not intended to be > restrictive in any way. I'm sure many people will be involved in all > aspects of the process anyway. Organizing it this way will just help > people prioritize their work time (I think). > > I was talking with Chris about the team and I really feel that if we > divide up the tasks, and work together, we'll all be amazed by the > result (gotta love synergy) > > > > > > > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > First I'd like to say that this is an excellent time to get this > > going. Winter break is coming up and I believe Chris will be out of > > school very soon. > > > > I would like to help with maintaining web content since that is > > something I'm good at. > > > > Also, we don't need a group C. I can generate faster than anyone > > here probably, since I work in a computer lab (and have two 3Ghz > > computers in front of me). Just give me a txt with all the input > > sequences and I bet I can get like 300 done a day. > > (Remember to use the ~U and the mask code for say RULM.) > > This should be done by group A. > > > > We need much more group D people, heck everyone should be a group D > > person. > > > > > > -Doug > > > > > > > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "cmhardw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > > > Richard Patterson and I have been talking, and here is a proposed > > > delgation of responsibility. We're really turning into a research > > > team like Gilles said, so I think it would be best if we > delegated > > the > > > responsibility. > > > > > > Here is the proposed delegation. Let's see how this would work > > based > > > on our resources, and also with what each person wants to do. > > > > > > --- -- > > > A-> The lead will be in charge of delegating groups B, C, & D. > > > > > > B-> Those in charge of Web Space Management have two main > > > responsibilities. First, > > > to receive raw sequences from group C, and to post them online in > a > > > way that it is > > > readily available for group D. Second, to post optimized > sequences > > > received from > > > group D. > > > > > > C-> This group's main responsibility is to generate raw > sequences > > for > > > target cases, > > > as delegated by the lead. Upon generating those raw cases, this > > group > > > will be > > > responsible for sending their output to group B. > > > > > > D-> This group is responsible for optimizing raw sequences posted > > > online by group B. Upon optimizing, this group will send their > > > results to group B to be posted. > > > > > > ** To insure focus and synergy among the groups, the lead must > > > collaborate with all > > > the groups. The target cases should be known and sought by each > > > group. This will > > > help for organizational purposes. > > > --- --- > - > > -- > > > > > > Also since we are a small group, we may need to overlap a little > > bit > > > as well. I am willing to do any of the above responsibilities. > My > > > computer processor is open for searching, and I also really enjoy > > > optimizing sequences. > > > > > > Also we can use my space on speedcubing.com to post sequences > that > > are > > > both raw sequences and optimized. I will e-mail Ron as well and > > see > > > if we can use the space on the algorithms page for our final > > sequences. > > > > > > This is really exciting! I think with this group effort to > > optimize > > > ZBLL that we will be able to bring it into prominence as a method > > and > > > get others interested. Also, I belive that a group effort could > > make > > > ZB a very efficient method, possibly even more efficient that > > Fridrich. > > > > > > It sounds like we are all dedicated and ready to start working on > > the > > > method. All we need now is to organize ourselves
[zbmethod] Re: Let's organize
Hi all, I really have no intentions to learn ZBLL, but I do believe in the method. I'll do everything I can to assist in the effort. I have to disagree with you though Doug, in regards to eliminating group C. While you could be the main core of the group with your army of computers, I think it would be a bad idea to rely entirely on one person for this aspect of the effort. As a side note, I know acube has the highest potential in finding sequences, but cube explorer and even Ron's block solver can be used. I've found a few gems using both tools, even though one is fast and usually gives you nothing, and the other is painfully slow. As far as the individual groups go, they're not intended to be restrictive in any way. I'm sure many people will be involved in all aspects of the process anyway. Organizing it this way will just help people prioritize their work time (I think). I was talking with Chris about the team and I really feel that if we divide up the tasks, and work together, we'll all be amazed by the result (gotta love synergy) --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > First I'd like to say that this is an excellent time to get this > going. Winter break is coming up and I believe Chris will be out of > school very soon. > > I would like to help with maintaining web content since that is > something I'm good at. > > Also, we don't need a group C. I can generate faster than anyone > here probably, since I work in a computer lab (and have two 3Ghz > computers in front of me). Just give me a txt with all the input > sequences and I bet I can get like 300 done a day. > (Remember to use the ~U and the mask code for say RULM.) > This should be done by group A. > > We need much more group D people, heck everyone should be a group D > person. > > > -Doug > > > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "cmhardw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > Richard Patterson and I have been talking, and here is a proposed > > delgation of responsibility. We're really turning into a research > > team like Gilles said, so I think it would be best if we delegated > the > > responsibility. > > > > Here is the proposed delegation. Let's see how this would work > based > > on our resources, and also with what each person wants to do. > > > > - > > A-> The lead will be in charge of delegating groups B, C, & D. > > > > B-> Those in charge of Web Space Management have two main > > responsibilities. First, > > to receive raw sequences from group C, and to post them online in a > > way that it is > > readily available for group D. Second, to post optimized sequences > > received from > > group D. > > > > C-> This group's main responsibility is to generate raw sequences > for > > target cases, > > as delegated by the lead. Upon generating those raw cases, this > group > > will be > > responsible for sending their output to group B. > > > > D-> This group is responsible for optimizing raw sequences posted > > online by group B. Upon optimizing, this group will send their > > results to group B to be posted. > > > > ** To insure focus and synergy among the groups, the lead must > > collaborate with all > > the groups. The target cases should be known and sought by each > > group. This will > > help for organizational purposes. > > -- - > -- > > > > Also since we are a small group, we may need to overlap a little > bit > > as well. I am willing to do any of the above responsibilities. My > > computer processor is open for searching, and I also really enjoy > > optimizing sequences. > > > > Also we can use my space on speedcubing.com to post sequences that > are > > both raw sequences and optimized. I will e-mail Ron as well and > see > > if we can use the space on the algorithms page for our final > sequences. > > > > This is really exciting! I think with this group effort to > optimize > > ZBLL that we will be able to bring it into prominence as a method > and > > get others interested. Also, I belive that a group effort could > make > > ZB a very efficient method, possibly even more efficient that > Fridrich. > > > > It sounds like we are all dedicated and ready to start working on > the > > method. All we need now is to organize ourselves and we can really > > efficiently start optimizing algs. > > > > Let me know what you think. It already sounds like we have people > > wanting to do certain things, so let's try to organize. > > > > First thing, everyone say what you think of the proposed > delegation. > > First off, does it fit our resources? Also, do we have enough > people > > to make this work? I've made a database, basically just a roll > call, > > of who is interested in working in taking part of the optimization. > > > > Well, we won't
[zbmethod] Re: Let's organize (procedure for finding raw algs) please read!
Sounds very good. I know that I use the "~U" command too so that it doens't count the U turn as part of the length when searching. I am very strong when it comes to parsing data, writting parsers, writting scripts that will turn the ACube output directly into a webpage layout, stuff like that. So you guys don't have to worry about filtering through data besides making them all triggerific! We need someone to write up a bunch of txt files with all the input strings. Perhaps even separated into q,h,s metrics. But organized in a really nice way. It looks like it's something that I could run next weekend. Just a lucky coincidence I'm doing a bit of computer lab admin this weeka and setting up 20 brand new workstations (multi-processor) that should help out big time. I've been running ACube for over 6 years now, so I know how it's done. -Doug Li --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "cmhardw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Doug, > > Wow that would be awesome! I can start coming up with some search > strings that I always use. > > Also, I think we should come up with a set procedure for the searching > so that every case gets the same amount of search time. > > Here is what I think should be done based on my experience with the T > and U cases, but I'm of course open to suggestions. > > First search for quartern turn optimized algs and print out all of them. > > The startup string for ACube is then > java -cp ACube3.jar ACube qa > > Then search for all algs (this includes ones in RULM, RUF, etc.. since > it prints every alg, or at least most of them, more on that later). > > Then since we have to accomodate all styles we should do the same > thing in also HTM and STM. > > So the other two search strings would be > java -cp ACube3.jar ACube a (for HTM, since ACube defaults to HTM) and > java -cp ACube3.jar ACube sa > > Now, everyone gets a copy of the QTM optimized list, and then the STM > users also take the STM list and the HTM users take the HTM list too. > > When searching for an alg try to find the best ones on the QTM list > that are also on either the HTM or STM list. This gives you an idea > of what a fast alg in either HTM or STM is like. Then compare you QTM > and HTM dual optimized alg to other algs on the HTM list and see if > one is better. > > That is how I found all my ZBLL algs. The QTM list is an amazingly > powerful filter for algs, and I always use it in conjunction with the > HTM list (STM users would do well to also use it for their STM algs I > believe). > > So the most important is that we have a search string with each of these > java -cp ACube3.jar ACube a > java -cp ACube3.jar ACube qa > java -cp ACube3.jar ACube sa > > Also, the program is more likely to find suboptimal length cases if > you search within your preferred faces. > > Suboptimal length algs tend to be the faster ones for me (not always > of course). > > So you would again search in QTM for algs in the RULM group say, and > also in the HTM group. > > It is a tedious process, but the algs you get out of it the best > quality I've been able to find. > > So this would mean that we may need to do a lot of searches on each case. > > For example take a new H case. > > Now search that case in QTM with > java -cp ACube3.jar ACube qa > > after that search is over, run another one still within QTM for every > preferred move group. RUF, RULM, etc.. > > Now restart ACube in HTM and STM and do the same, do an all search, > and also search for our preferred face groups. > > This may be very repetitive, and not the most efficient way. I am not > a computer programmer, so those with computer experience please help > to optimize this process! > > Basically, this is the procedure I used to find my best algs for ZBLL. > > I think the most important is that any search must have a QTM > counterpart to compare to the HTM and STM search to dual optimize each > alg for HTM and QTM or also STM and QTM. > > Also, it is very important that we also search specifically for moves > in our preferred move groups, since Acube doesn't print out every > single alg it finds, but only 95-99% of them. Also this maximizes > your chances of finding the suboptimal length algs that are super fast > (suney type algs are a good example, ACube optimal searches weed them > out almost 100% of the time, since they are almost never optimal > length) I could only ever find suney type algs with searches in RUL > moves specifically. > > Again these are just my thoughts, you guys have more computer > experience than me by far! Let's come up with a rigid procedure for > generation raw algs! This will be a very important substep to moving on. > > Chris > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > First I'd like to say that this is an excellent time to get this > > going. Winter break is coming up and I believe Chris will be out of > > school very soon. > >
Re: [zbmethod] Re: Let's organize (procedure for finding raw algs) please read!
I'm not very good at using ACube, and my computer is a laptop that becomes hot quite fast so it's gonna be a bit hard for me to help with computer research.I think I need to have a good definition of an optimized algorithm : Is it just an algorithm that ACube gives and then we adapt it so that we can do it easily (and fastly of course) or is it something else ?Gilles.2005/12/12, cmhardw < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hey Doug, Wow that would be awesome! I can start coming up with some search strings that I always use. Also, I think we should come up with a set procedure for the searching so that every case gets the same amount of search time. Here is what I think should be done based on my experience with the T and U cases, but I'm of course open to suggestions. First search for quartern turn optimized algs and print out all of them. The startup string for ACube is then java -cp ACube3.jar ACube qa Then search for all algs (this includes ones in RULM, RUF, etc.. since it prints every alg, or at least most of them, more on that later). Then since we have to accomodate all styles we should do the same thing in also HTM and STM. So the other two search strings would be java -cp ACube3.jar ACube a (for HTM, since ACube defaults to HTM) and java -cp ACube3.jar ACube sa Now, everyone gets a copy of the QTM optimized list, and then the STM users also take the STM list and the HTM users take the HTM list too. When searching for an alg try to find the best ones on the QTM list that are also on either the HTM or STM list. This gives you an idea of what a fast alg in either HTM or STM is like. Then compare you QTM and HTM dual optimized alg to other algs on the HTM list and see if one is better. That is how I found all my ZBLL algs. The QTM list is an amazingly powerful filter for algs, and I always use it in conjunction with the HTM list (STM users would do well to also use it for their STM algs I believe). So the most important is that we have a search string with each of these java -cp ACube3.jar ACube a java -cp ACube3.jar ACube qa java -cp ACube3.jar ACube sa Also, the program is more likely to find suboptimal length cases if you search within your preferred faces. Suboptimal length algs tend to be the faster ones for me (not always of course). So you would again search in QTM for algs in the RULM group say, and also in the HTM group. It is a tedious process, but the algs you get out of it the best quality I've been able to find. So this would mean that we may need to do a lot of searches on each case. For example take a new H case. Now search that case in QTM with java -cp ACube3.jar ACube qa after that search is over, run another one still within QTM for every preferred move group. RUF, RULM, etc.. Now restart ACube in HTM and STM and do the same, do an all search, and also search for our preferred face groups. This may be very repetitive, and not the most efficient way. I am not a computer programmer, so those with computer experience please help to optimize this process! Basically, this is the procedure I used to find my best algs for ZBLL. I think the most important is that any search must have a QTM counterpart to compare to the HTM and STM search to dual optimize each alg for HTM and QTM or also STM and QTM. Also, it is very important that we also search specifically for moves in our preferred move groups, since Acube doesn't print out every single alg it finds, but only 95-99% of them. Also this maximizes your chances of finding the suboptimal length algs that are super fast (suney type algs are a good example, ACube optimal searches weed them out almost 100% of the time, since they are almost never optimal length) I could only ever find suney type algs with searches in RUL moves specifically. Again these are just my thoughts, you guys have more computer experience than me by far! Let's come up with a rigid procedure for generation raw algs! This will be a very important substep to moving on. Chris --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > First I'd like to say that this is an excellent time to get this > going. Winter break is coming up and I believe Chris will be out of > school very soon. > > I would like to help with maintaining web content since that is > something I'm good at. > > Also, we don't need a group C. I can generate faster than anyone > here probably, since I work in a computer lab (and have two 3Ghz > computers in front of me). Just give me a txt with all the input > sequences and I bet I can get like 300 done a day. > (Remember to use the ~U and the mask code for say RULM.) > This should be done by group A. > > We need much more group D people, heck everyone should be a group D > person. > > > -Doug SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle games P
Re: [zbmethod] Re: Let's organize
Ok so :-)My webspace is open for that kind of work.I'm not a very good computer/internet code programmer but I think I could get something done by tomorrow. But Doug might do it better than I do.What exactly do we need ? I think a web interface which will make our work easily to view for people and easy to manage for us is the main goal.So basically we need some sort of form we can fill in which will automatically generate a page for the visitor. We need :1. Alg2. Image(s)3. Cube Applet - It might be long to load the page, especially if we have a long list of algorithms4. Comments5. TimeWhat else could we add to make our work more efficient and easier to read ? Gilles - ZB Research Team2005/12/12, cmhardw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hey Gilles, Wow that website looks nice! Perhaps we can use it for where we post our raw algs and the ones we optimize also? I would also like to mirror our final choices on speedcubing.com under the algorithms seciton, but there's no reason whatsoever we can't have it on our working spaces too. Chris team [zb] P.S. Absolutely you can sign with "team [zb]" It's a self selecting group. If you feel you should be a member of team [zb] then you are a member of team [zb] and can sign with the tag :-D --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I totally agree with that organisation :-) > We should just wait a few days to have all the volunteers and start to > organize it completely. > I added a record to the database : > today I worked on a few raw alg my computer found and I really liked > working on them and turning them into trigger friendly and easy to > execute algorithms. > > Here is what I have done today : > www.belgiancubes.be/zbll (if it doesn't work today, it will probably > tomorrow because it's a brand new domain name, the dns might not be > spread all over the world yet) > > I'm excited by this zb thing. I just re-praciced the few T algorithms > I learned a while ago, and I'm happy to see I haven't forgotten them > :p > > Gilles. > PS : can I sign with [team zb] after my name ? :p > > > 2005/12/12, Mike Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "cmhardw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > D-> This group is responsible for optimizing raw sequences posted > > > online by group B. Upon optimizing, this group will send their > > > results to group B to be posted. > > > > > Also, with the new variations that are coming up, I think we should > > > handle those accordingly on the central website. Any alternative to > > > ZBLL that includes ZBLL will need optimized algs, so perhaps we should > > > start with those cases first in our optimization. If we can fill all > > > the algs necessary for a variation of ZB with super nice algs, maybe > > > we can bring the skeptics into the method by allowing them to try a > > > superfast variation of ZB before committing to the whole method. > > > > > Chris > > > Team [ZB] > > > > Count me in to help optimize things, and work on various variations. > > I've already started working on learning Doug's cases to insert a > > cross piece, and I'm also working on placing the final 5 edges once > > oriented. Useful for my new method, and for if you forget a cross > > piece. I've a got a few other ideas in the works, but that's all I've > > got time for right now. > > > > Ready when you are, commander. > > > > -Mike > > team [zb] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "zbmethod" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Online puzzle games Free puzzle games Jigsaw puzzle game Puzzle games Computer puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "zbmethod" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . SPONSORED LINKS Computer puzzle game Puzzle games Jigsaw puzzle game Online puzzle games Free puzzle games Free puzzle inlay games
[zbmethod] Re: Let's organize (procedure for finding raw algs) please read!
Hey Doug, Wow that would be awesome! I can start coming up with some search strings that I always use. Also, I think we should come up with a set procedure for the searching so that every case gets the same amount of search time. Here is what I think should be done based on my experience with the T and U cases, but I'm of course open to suggestions. First search for quartern turn optimized algs and print out all of them. The startup string for ACube is then java -cp ACube3.jar ACube qa Then search for all algs (this includes ones in RULM, RUF, etc.. since it prints every alg, or at least most of them, more on that later). Then since we have to accomodate all styles we should do the same thing in also HTM and STM. So the other two search strings would be java -cp ACube3.jar ACube a (for HTM, since ACube defaults to HTM) and java -cp ACube3.jar ACube sa Now, everyone gets a copy of the QTM optimized list, and then the STM users also take the STM list and the HTM users take the HTM list too. When searching for an alg try to find the best ones on the QTM list that are also on either the HTM or STM list. This gives you an idea of what a fast alg in either HTM or STM is like. Then compare you QTM and HTM dual optimized alg to other algs on the HTM list and see if one is better. That is how I found all my ZBLL algs. The QTM list is an amazingly powerful filter for algs, and I always use it in conjunction with the HTM list (STM users would do well to also use it for their STM algs I believe). So the most important is that we have a search string with each of these java -cp ACube3.jar ACube a java -cp ACube3.jar ACube qa java -cp ACube3.jar ACube sa Also, the program is more likely to find suboptimal length cases if you search within your preferred faces. Suboptimal length algs tend to be the faster ones for me (not always of course). So you would again search in QTM for algs in the RULM group say, and also in the HTM group. It is a tedious process, but the algs you get out of it the best quality I've been able to find. So this would mean that we may need to do a lot of searches on each case. For example take a new H case. Now search that case in QTM with java -cp ACube3.jar ACube qa after that search is over, run another one still within QTM for every preferred move group. RUF, RULM, etc.. Now restart ACube in HTM and STM and do the same, do an all search, and also search for our preferred face groups. This may be very repetitive, and not the most efficient way. I am not a computer programmer, so those with computer experience please help to optimize this process! Basically, this is the procedure I used to find my best algs for ZBLL. I think the most important is that any search must have a QTM counterpart to compare to the HTM and STM search to dual optimize each alg for HTM and QTM or also STM and QTM. Also, it is very important that we also search specifically for moves in our preferred move groups, since Acube doesn't print out every single alg it finds, but only 95-99% of them. Also this maximizes your chances of finding the suboptimal length algs that are super fast (suney type algs are a good example, ACube optimal searches weed them out almost 100% of the time, since they are almost never optimal length) I could only ever find suney type algs with searches in RUL moves specifically. Again these are just my thoughts, you guys have more computer experience than me by far! Let's come up with a rigid procedure for generation raw algs! This will be a very important substep to moving on. Chris --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > First I'd like to say that this is an excellent time to get this > going. Winter break is coming up and I believe Chris will be out of > school very soon. > > I would like to help with maintaining web content since that is > something I'm good at. > > Also, we don't need a group C. I can generate faster than anyone > here probably, since I work in a computer lab (and have two 3Ghz > computers in front of me). Just give me a txt with all the input > sequences and I bet I can get like 300 done a day. > (Remember to use the ~U and the mask code for say RULM.) > This should be done by group A. > > We need much more group D people, heck everyone should be a group D > person. > > > -Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Re: Let's organize
First I'd like to say that this is an excellent time to get this going. Winter break is coming up and I believe Chris will be out of school very soon. I would like to help with maintaining web content since that is something I'm good at. Also, we don't need a group C. I can generate faster than anyone here probably, since I work in a computer lab (and have two 3Ghz computers in front of me). Just give me a txt with all the input sequences and I bet I can get like 300 done a day. (Remember to use the ~U and the mask code for say RULM.) This should be done by group A. We need much more group D people, heck everyone should be a group D person. -Doug --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "cmhardw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > Richard Patterson and I have been talking, and here is a proposed > delgation of responsibility. We're really turning into a research > team like Gilles said, so I think it would be best if we delegated the > responsibility. > > Here is the proposed delegation. Let's see how this would work based > on our resources, and also with what each person wants to do. > > - > A-> The lead will be in charge of delegating groups B, C, & D. > > B-> Those in charge of Web Space Management have two main > responsibilities. First, > to receive raw sequences from group C, and to post them online in a > way that it is > readily available for group D. Second, to post optimized sequences > received from > group D. > > C-> This group's main responsibility is to generate raw sequences for > target cases, > as delegated by the lead. Upon generating those raw cases, this group > will be > responsible for sending their output to group B. > > D-> This group is responsible for optimizing raw sequences posted > online by group B. Upon optimizing, this group will send their > results to group B to be posted. > > ** To insure focus and synergy among the groups, the lead must > collaborate with all > the groups. The target cases should be known and sought by each > group. This will > help for organizational purposes. > --- -- > > Also since we are a small group, we may need to overlap a little bit > as well. I am willing to do any of the above responsibilities. My > computer processor is open for searching, and I also really enjoy > optimizing sequences. > > Also we can use my space on speedcubing.com to post sequences that are > both raw sequences and optimized. I will e-mail Ron as well and see > if we can use the space on the algorithms page for our final sequences. > > This is really exciting! I think with this group effort to optimize > ZBLL that we will be able to bring it into prominence as a method and > get others interested. Also, I belive that a group effort could make > ZB a very efficient method, possibly even more efficient that Fridrich. > > It sounds like we are all dedicated and ready to start working on the > method. All we need now is to organize ourselves and we can really > efficiently start optimizing algs. > > Let me know what you think. It already sounds like we have people > wanting to do certain things, so let's try to organize. > > First thing, everyone say what you think of the proposed delegation. > First off, does it fit our resources? Also, do we have enough people > to make this work? I've made a database, basically just a roll call, > of who is interested in working in taking part of the optimization. > > Well, we won't be the inventors of ZB, but we'll sure be remembered as > the ones who really turned it into a nice speedcubing method :-) > > Let's really turn this team [zb] idea into a serious team that's well > known in the speedcubing community. > > Also, with the new variations that are coming up, I think we should > handle those accordingly on the central website. Any alternative to > ZBLL that includes ZBLL will need optimized algs, so perhaps we should > start with those cases first in our optimization. If we can fill all > the algs necessary for a variation of ZB with super nice algs, maybe > we can bring the skeptics into the method by allowing them to try a > superfast variation of ZB before committing to the whole method. > > This is all very exciting for me! I'm glad that we all have the > interest in this method! > > Ok, everyone post in the database if you are interested in being on > the research team, and also what resources are available to you. > > Thanks everyone, and I think we've definitely become a full strength > team. Now we just have to show the speedcubing community that we're > serious, and that we mean business. > > Chris > Team [ZB] > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSA
[zbmethod] Re: Let's organize
Hey Chris, I have used ZBLL only very seldom after I stopped learning it, because I wasn't completely familiar with recognizing the cases yet. Because I use Petrus, edges are already oriented before I start solving the last pair. I'm currently learning some algs to orient the LL corners while inserting the last pair, so I think I don't need ZBLL anymore :P - Johannes --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "cmhardw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Johannes, > > Thank you definitely! Of course your help is very, very much > appreciated! Also, perhaps after we have really optimized the ZBLL T > algs, you may want to consider seeing if you like some of the new ones > better than your current ones? > > Thanks so much again for the help, we'll definitely include you in the > team zb effort :-D > > Chris > team [zb] > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Re: Let's organize
Hey Gilles, Wow that website looks nice! Perhaps we can use it for where we post our raw algs and the ones we optimize also? I would also like to mirror our final choices on speedcubing.com under the algorithms seciton, but there's no reason whatsoever we can't have it on our working spaces too. Chris team [zb] P.S. Absolutely you can sign with "team [zb]" It's a self selecting group. If you feel you should be a member of team [zb] then you are a member of team [zb] and can sign with the tag :-D --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I totally agree with that organisation :-) > We should just wait a few days to have all the volunteers and start to > organize it completely. > I added a record to the database : > today I worked on a few raw alg my computer found and I really liked > working on them and turning them into trigger friendly and easy to > execute algorithms. > > Here is what I have done today : > www.belgiancubes.be/zbll (if it doesn't work today, it will probably > tomorrow because it's a brand new domain name, the dns might not be > spread all over the world yet) > > I'm excited by this zb thing. I just re-praciced the few T algorithms > I learned a while ago, and I'm happy to see I haven't forgotten them > :p > > Gilles. > PS : can I sign with [team zb] after my name ? :p > > > 2005/12/12, Mike Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "cmhardw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > D-> This group is responsible for optimizing raw sequences posted > > > online by group B. Upon optimizing, this group will send their > > > results to group B to be posted. > > > > > Also, with the new variations that are coming up, I think we should > > > handle those accordingly on the central website. Any alternative to > > > ZBLL that includes ZBLL will need optimized algs, so perhaps we should > > > start with those cases first in our optimization. If we can fill all > > > the algs necessary for a variation of ZB with super nice algs, maybe > > > we can bring the skeptics into the method by allowing them to try a > > > superfast variation of ZB before committing to the whole method. > > > > > Chris > > > Team [ZB] > > > > Count me in to help optimize things, and work on various variations. > > I've already started working on learning Doug's cases to insert a > > cross piece, and I'm also working on placing the final 5 edges once > > oriented. Useful for my new method, and for if you forget a cross > > piece. I've a got a few other ideas in the works, but that's all I've > > got time for right now. > > > > Ready when you are, commander. > > > > -Mike > > team [zb] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "zbmethod" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Re: Let's organize
Hey Johannes, Thank you definitely! Of course your help is very, very much appreciated! Also, perhaps after we have really optimized the ZBLL T algs, you may want to consider seeing if you like some of the new ones better than your current ones? Thanks so much again for the help, we'll definitely include you in the team zb effort :-D Chris team [zb] --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "Johannes Laire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > D-> This group is responsible for optimizing raw sequences posted > > online by group B. Upon optimizing, this group will send their > > results to group B to be posted. > > > > I can also optimize algs if you need help, but this computer is very > slow so I don't think I'm able to help in generating the algs. > > I am not learning ZB anymore, some months ago I learned whole > T-orientation, but I realized that I'm too lazy to learn whole ZB and > that ZBLL is nearly impossible to master. Anyway, I'm really > interested in seeing what is happening to this method, and I want to > help if I can. So you can count me as a member of group D. > > > - > Johannes > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [zbmethod] Re: Let's organize
I totally agree with that organisation :-) We should just wait a few days to have all the volunteers and start to organize it completely. I added a record to the database : today I worked on a few raw alg my computer found and I really liked working on them and turning them into trigger friendly and easy to execute algorithms. Here is what I have done today : www.belgiancubes.be/zbll (if it doesn't work today, it will probably tomorrow because it's a brand new domain name, the dns might not be spread all over the world yet) I'm excited by this zb thing. I just re-praciced the few T algorithms I learned a while ago, and I'm happy to see I haven't forgotten them :p Gilles. PS : can I sign with [team zb] after my name ? :p 2005/12/12, Mike Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "cmhardw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > D-> This group is responsible for optimizing raw sequences posted > > online by group B. Upon optimizing, this group will send their > > results to group B to be posted. > > > Also, with the new variations that are coming up, I think we should > > handle those accordingly on the central website. Any alternative to > > ZBLL that includes ZBLL will need optimized algs, so perhaps we should > > start with those cases first in our optimization. If we can fill all > > the algs necessary for a variation of ZB with super nice algs, maybe > > we can bring the skeptics into the method by allowing them to try a > > superfast variation of ZB before committing to the whole method. > > > Chris > > Team [ZB] > > Count me in to help optimize things, and work on various variations. > I've already started working on learning Doug's cases to insert a > cross piece, and I'm also working on placing the final 5 edges once > oriented. Useful for my new method, and for if you forget a cross > piece. I've a got a few other ideas in the works, but that's all I've > got time for right now. > > Ready when you are, commander. > > -Mike > team [zb] > > > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "zbmethod" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Re: Let's organize
> D-> This group is responsible for optimizing raw sequences posted > online by group B. Upon optimizing, this group will send their > results to group B to be posted. I can also optimize algs if you need help, but this computer is very slow so I don't think I'm able to help in generating the algs. I am not learning ZB anymore, some months ago I learned whole T-orientation, but I realized that I'm too lazy to learn whole ZB and that ZBLL is nearly impossible to master. Anyway, I'm really interested in seeing what is happening to this method, and I want to help if I can. So you can count me as a member of group D. - Johannes Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[zbmethod] Re: Let's organize
--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "cmhardw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > D-> This group is responsible for optimizing raw sequences posted > online by group B. Upon optimizing, this group will send their > results to group B to be posted. > Also, with the new variations that are coming up, I think we should > handle those accordingly on the central website. Any alternative to > ZBLL that includes ZBLL will need optimized algs, so perhaps we should > start with those cases first in our optimization. If we can fill all > the algs necessary for a variation of ZB with super nice algs, maybe > we can bring the skeptics into the method by allowing them to try a > superfast variation of ZB before committing to the whole method. > Chris > Team [ZB] Count me in to help optimize things, and work on various variations. I've already started working on learning Doug's cases to insert a cross piece, and I'm also working on placing the final 5 edges once oriented. Useful for my new method, and for if you forget a cross piece. I've a got a few other ideas in the works, but that's all I've got time for right now. Ready when you are, commander. -Mike team [zb] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zbmethod/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
