Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-30 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   Don't lurk.   How do you know your 'self' is 'annihilated' or somehow disappear, so that karma will no longer work?   Does that mean nihilism? Or nirvana?   Regards, Anthony --- On Mon, 1/12/08, Bill Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Bill Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Zen]

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-30 Thread Anthony Wu
Edgar,   What is your belief? Do past lives exist? Or regression is just a hypnotic technique, so the subject can have wild dreams?   Anthony   Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/sg/

[Zen] Re: Lesbian Zen Roshis

2008-11-30 Thread cid830
There was a good discussion here a while ago about morality. I must have missed the part about homosexuality being immoral in the Zen handbook. Or was that YOUR moral judgement. Please, tell us more about the basic concepts of Zen, it seems that your ideas may be much different than others that

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-30 Thread Bill Smart
Mayka, With no disrespect to Thich Nhat Hanh, he is a self-proclaimed Buddhist so presumbably practices and teaches zen from a Buddhist perspective. Buddhism recognizes karma so what else would you expect from him? The reason I post a lot about the the relationship between zen and Buddhism i

RE: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-30 Thread Chuck G
Mayka. I believe that most would say that Zen is a type of Buddhism like Vipassana or Pure Land. I know of no one else who makes a distinction between zen and Zen. With that said, it’s probably best not to dwell on semantics and definitions. This is exactly what it is, regardless of the l

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-30 Thread Mayka
With all my respect to you Bill but; Thich Nhat Hanh is a Venerable Zen Buddhist Master who was borne with the zen spoon in his mouth. He is also one of the greates scholars of our time. But most important he is a person who have gained a very impresive profound understanding of zen practice.

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-30 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Sorry, Bill. It is so tempting with your response. Just one more comment If there is no YOU, who is feeling the challenge... :-) Bill Smart wrote: > > JMJM, QUIT LURING ME OUT OF LURKING! It's hard enough without such > challenging posts as yours. > > My comments/respones are embedded in

[Zen] Chan Is One

2008-11-30 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Chan is One, or . The One which is the universe, which includes everything we see and not see, know and not know. There is this perpetual life force which manifests everything in the universe. Some has a form and some are formless. Yet all such manifestations are relative, transient and i

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-30 Thread Bill Smart
JMJM, QUIT LURING ME OUT OF LURKING! It's hard enough without such challenging posts as yours. My comments/respones are embedded in your post below: --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, Having Trouble Lurking Bill, > Yes! I ple

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-30 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi, Having Trouble Lurking Bill, I love strong statement... I always enjoyed your posting. I don't "know" whether karma has a position in zen or not. I don't "know" where it belongs. Do you? :-) I also don't "know" what zen is. You have stated many times about "true zen" as "True zen". I

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-30 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi Edgar, Thank you. Interesting technique. I have learned. Now I understand what you mean by psychological phenom. In deed, these memory recall does not necessarily mean they existed in the physical world. Now I understand your statement. JM Edgar Owen wrote: > > JM, > > > Past lives, n

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-30 Thread Bill Smart
I'm having trouble lurking... Karma does not have a position in zen. Karma is a belief in a lot of religions, like Buddhism, Hinduism and even Christianity - 'as you sow, so shall you reap', 'if you're 'bad' you'll go to hell but if you're 'good' you'll go to heaven', etc... Maintain a clear m

Re: [Zen] To The Moderator in the Zen_Forum Group

2008-11-30 Thread Bill Smart
I'm not the administrator, I'm the lurkerlator. The official moderator fo this site goes by many names, the most common of which is Al([EMAIL PROTECTED]). I think he's also the site's founder. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mayka, >   > I

Re: [Zen] To The Moderator in the Zen_Forum Group

2008-11-30 Thread Anthony Wu
Mayka,   I believe Bill Smart is the moderator. I don't know if there is an 'administrator'. Maybe it is also Bill. Please confirm.   Anthony --- On Sun, 30/11/08, Mayka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Mayka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Zen] To The Moderator in the Zen_Forum Group To: Zen_Foru

Re: [Zen] Position of Karma in Zen

2008-11-30 Thread Anthony Wu
Edgar/JM,   I repeat and clarify JM's question. Edgar, what do you mean by karma is 'psychologically real'? What is 'real'? Only material is real?   Please also clarify your 'regression'. Does it mean hypnotics?   Regards, Anthony --- On Sat, 29/11/08, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[EMAIL PROTECTED

[Zen] Re: Lesbian Zen Roshis _Correction

2008-11-30 Thread Mayka
Sorry I have had an English error again. Last paragraph should read as: Therefore, I try no to make any judgements about something I don't know what is about. With the exception of knowing that people from the same sex are atracted to each others, and also that homosexuals don't feel sexualy