Zen is a religion looking for a God. The Buddha said 'there is no way to
prove God and there is no way to not prove, so believe whatever works for
you.' That's why I like Eastern thought, Hindu's cool also, just too many
gimics and sideshows and people thinking dressing in white bathrobes helps
Bill!,br/br/Would you agree that you probably would never have experienced
'zen' without Siddharta Gotama's enlightenment and the spreading of the sutras?
I agree that experiencing Buddha Nature is not intrinsically dependent on them,
but it may as well be. Without Buddha's rediscovering of
Heck, don't the Veda's go back 5 or 6 thousand years?
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 7:44 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN varam...@gmail.comwrote:
THE URGENCY OF TRANSFORMATION - ECKHART TOLLE
When faced with a radical crisis, when the old way of being in the
world, of interacting with each other and with
Larry,br/br/Why would Zen be looking for a God? That would just be creating
an unnecessary dualism. The universe works perfectly well without the need to
create a Creator.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for
iPad
Bill...still confused...so zen is chan...?..if you wish to experience buddha
nature directly you do zen?... no buddhism involved...
so why are you desiring to experience buddha nature and then claim it has
nothing to do with buddhism?... merle
Merle,
Well, that all depends on what
Yes, yes totally agree. I just mentioned reading years ago that the Buddha
said believe whatever's easier while following the middle way.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:27 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
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Larry,
Why would Zen be looking for a God? That would just be creating an
Chan is Chinese interpretation zen is Japanese. Tibean is Dali Lama?
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:30 AM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.comwrote:
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Bill...still confused...so zen is chan...?..if you wish to experience
buddha nature directly you do zen?... no buddhism involved...
so
mike..for you it might..for others it is a source of comfort..don't be so
harsh..merle
Larry,
Why would Zen be looking for a God? That would just be creating an unnecessary
dualism. The universe works perfectly well without the need to create a Creator.
Mike
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mike excuse me...what's soul got to do with ego?..merle
Bill!,
Would you agree that you probably would never have experienced 'zen' without
Siddharta Gotama's enlightenment and the spreading of the sutras? I agree that
experiencing Buddha Nature is not intrinsically dependent on them,
so what is american...?...merle
Chan is Chinese interpretation zen is Japanese. Tibean is Dali Lama?
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:30 AM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote:
Bill...still confused...so zen is chan...?..if you wish to experience buddha
nature directly you
I think we looking for an American buddhism. Want to be it?
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:41 AM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.comwrote:
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so what is american...?...merle
Chan is Chinese interpretation zen is Japanese. Tibean is Dali Lama?
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:30 AM, Merle
Larry,
Zen is not a religion and does not recognize a god.
Buddhism is a religion, IMO, so you might be confusing the two: zen and
Buddhism.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, larry maher lcmaher22@... wrote:
Zen is a religion looking for a God. The Buddha said 'there is no way to
interesting bill..your streaks ahead in consciousness..merle
Mike,
No and Yes...
The no part is that I experienced Buddha Nature on my own before encountering
zen. I'm sure we all have. When we were infants before our intellect was
developed enough to create the delusion of
i'm australian...estonian parents..came to sydney in 1949 as refugees..merle
I think we looking for an American buddhism. Want to be it?
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:41 AM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote:
so what is american...?...merle
Chan is Chinese
Merlebr/br/They're both fictional constructs. But at least ego has some
relative truth.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Merle,br/br/Utility is no measure of
Truth.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Merle,
Zen Buddhism (Japanese), Ch'an Buddhism (Chinese) and Soen Buddhism (Korean)
are all very similar and to the best of my knowledge (which is not that great
in this area) share the same foundations and basic teachings. There are some
differences though. JMJM on this forum is a Ch'an
Drones!
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 so what is american...?...merle
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On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:30 AM, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
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Mike,
Read the link I posted earlier for my intellectualization of the origin of
duality - as exemplified by the delusion of self:
http://www.billsmart.com/writing/zen/self/self.htm
If you strip away duality what you have left is Buddha Nature. This is in both
of the cases of children and in
Yes Merle, you could say acceptance is 'good' in certain circumstances,
or that it is of use/value to the individual. That's the point. As such
it remains a subtle form of attachment. I am not judging this, or
suggesting it not be pursued. I am only pointing out the dual nature of
Yes Merle, and there is a great variety in behaviors and capabilities.
Being on the spectrum myself, be assured I was not being glib or
unthinking with that suggestion. It was from the heart. Also, Suresh is
more than capable of catching the intent of my suggestion and
determining what his
On 8/24/2013 2:27 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Larry,
Why would Zen be looking for a God? That would just be creating an
unnecessary dualism. The universe works perfectly well without the
need to create a Creator.
Mike
Even the need some feel to identify or creating a creator is an
Cha-Ching!
KG
On 8/24/2013 2:41 AM, Merle Lester wrote:
so what is american...?...merle
Chan is Chinese interpretation zen is Japanese. Tibean is Dali Lama?
And comfort is only sought when dis-eased.
KG
On 8/24/2013 4:19 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Merle,
Utility is no measure of Truth.
Mike
God is no different than a haemorrhoid cream. I like
it!br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
I am very very impressed with how you lived your life. I found this, well,
to be frank, all too late. I knew about it, read about it, even tried it a
few times but I didn't get more interested until I was desperate.
Thanks,
Larry
PS I've sort of belonged to a open internet group with a terrific
Born is NJ raised by an immigrant Irish mother and father in a mostly
Italian section of NY. My father's people are Irish-American from NY a few
generations back. I was raised Catholic and left the minute no one was
looking. I've been looking for God all my life in the easiest spots I could
find:)
this is a beautiful documentary about beautiful people living in harmony with
each other and their environment... paradise lost where did our
civilisation go so wrong?. cheers merle
'http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/isolated-zoe-tribe/
larry
watch the link to the documentary i sent re: brazilian tribe
paradise found here..beautiful people relating to nature..caring and sharing
god is well and truly alive there
merle
Born is NJ raised by an immigrant Irish mother and father in a mostly Italian
section of NY. My father's
yes please... merle
yes you ...merle
Do you mean me, Sir? Do you need my clarification? If so, let me just say it
was no big deal when it happened but I'll tell you if you want.
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote:
clarification
mike..explain yourself please..
and KG not true...on a beautiful spring day one rejoices and gives thanks
that one has eyes to see and ears to hear and a tongue to speak..merle
And comfort is only sought when dis-eased.
KG
On 8/24/2013 4:19 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
cynical mike..tut tut..shame on you..merle
God is no different than a haemorrhoid cream. I like it!
Mike
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From: Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com;
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: the human body
bill...thank you for the clarification... merle
Merle,
Zen Buddhism (Japanese), Ch'an Buddhism (Chinese) and Soen Buddhism (Korean)
are all very similar and to the best of my knowledge (which is not that great
in this area) share the same foundations and basic teachings. There are some
what is AYPsite.com? merle
I am very very impressed with how you lived your life. I found this, well, to
be frank, all too late. I knew about it, read about it, even tried it a few
times but I didn't get more interested until I was desperate.
Thanks,
Larry
PS I've sort of belonged to a
too much far too much intellectualisation..and too much blah blah blah...merle
Bill!,
I'd still be careful as to the distinction between acting on auto-pilot and
being completely awake as to what you are doing.
Mike
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mike...it is the nature of the beast : human... to construct weave and
create.. we do not live by bread alone..you know that...merle
Merle
They're both fictional constructs. But at least ego has some relative truth.
Mike
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meaning what? MIKE maybe just maybe you have not even arrived?...
filled with preconceived ideas and prejudices...
..dust yourself off
and try using the refresh on keyboard...
merle
Don't worry, Merle. It's not a completion - you'll catch up one day.
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so self is no self but the other..hence we need to refresh our ideas and
return to the garden of eden... the brazilian rainforest tribe eh?..merle
Merle,
You can read more about what I think about this at:
http://www.billsmart.com/writing/zen/self/self.htm
...Bill!
Merle,br/br/Just because belief in a god gives comfort it doesn't make it
true. br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
But they're both so comforting!br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Merle,br/br/From you or from me?br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from
Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Merle,br/br/The idea behind self-realisation to to stop the weaving and
deconstruct. You should know that..br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from
Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Merle,br/br/Just winding you up. You know it's a favourite pastime of mine
: )br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
mike ..you have missed the boat...( the point)... watch the brazilian tribe
doc..then tell me there is no god...merle
Merle,
Just because belief in a god gives comfort it doesn't make it true.
Mike
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From: Merle Lester
have you considered it as cruel?... usually those who have nothing to offer
resort to teasing..merle
Merle,
Just winding you up. You know it's a favourite pastime of mine : )
Mike
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From: Merle Lester
Tell that to Oscar Wilde! br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
I meant the blah blah blah - not the intellectualisation. Nobody would accuse
you of that. ; )br/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Your definition is meaningless though and certainly not in accord with how most
people define 'God'. The universe works just fine without such a belief. Why
paint legs on a snake?br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for
iPad
Thank you for trying to send me something interesting. Unfortunately I
didn't get it.
Larry
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.comwrote:
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too much far too much intellectualisation..and too much blah blah
blah...merle
Bill!,
I'd still be careful as to
Sorry Merle. I did get it in another email.
Thank you
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.comwrote:
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this is a beautiful documentary about beautiful people living in harmony
with each other and their environment... paradise lost where did our
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