RE: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-07 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   Thank you.   Anthony --- On Sun, 7/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 7 November, 2010, 2:47 PM   Anthony,   [bow]…[turn around]…[walk away

RE: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-06 Thread BillSmart
Anthony, [bow]…[turn around]…[walk away] …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 1:18 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

RE: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-06 Thread Anthony Wu
rote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 7 November, 2010, 11:30 AM   Ed, To answer your question below: " Bill's position on illusory objects of mind is known. I don't know hi

RE: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-06 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   Buddhism says rebirth every moment, and after death. You cut it short, so you are a hero.   Anthony --- On Sun, 7/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday

Re: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-06 Thread Anthony Wu
Mayka,   That is a word of wisdom. It is said that zen is going nowhere, and it starts all over again and again.   Anthony --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Maria Lopez wrote: From: Maria Lopez Subject: Re: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 7

RE: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-06 Thread BillSmart
esh? ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 5:37 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory ED, When Asanga founded the philosophy of Mind Only, h

RE: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-06 Thread BillSmart
half Of Maria Lopez Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 8:41 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory ED; I believe that, in living your life, you have no problem telling the difference. Mayka; I don't think in terms of illusion or realit

RE: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-06 Thread BillSmart
Ed, My comments are embedded below: [Ed] "You must understand that a perspective on life that is derived from an inner experience is different from one that is arrived at intellectually."  --Kobori-Roshi (1918-1992) I've never heard of Kobori-Roshi before, which makes absolutely no difference -

Re: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-06 Thread Maria Lopez
h your say about me an expert!.  The only thing I'm an expert is in starting a new all over again once and again and again.  Not a big deal.  I'm going nowhere.   Mayka     --- On Sat, 6/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory To: Zen_F

Re: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-06 Thread Anthony Wu
illusory. Bill's position on illusory objects of mind is known. I don't know his on mind itself. I think he thinks mind exists. Otherwise, with what does he experience things?   Anthony --- On Sat, 6/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily i

RE: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-06 Thread Anthony Wu
Bill,   Got it. What you experience in an orgyhouse is reality. The rest are illusion.   anthony --- On Sat, 6/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 6

Re: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-06 Thread Anthony Wu
ED,   Mahayana has developed both Buddhist philosophy and doctrine into very high levels. Is it moving away or enhancing Buddhism itself?   On the other hand, if there was no mahayana, there would not be zen.   Anthony --- On Sat, 6/11/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Reality in Buddhis

Re: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-06 Thread ED
Bill, That's your position, and I honor and respect it. "You must understand that a perspective on life that is derived from an inner experience is different from one that is arrived at intellectually." --Kobori-Roshi (1918-1992) "Taste as much of this as you can. Swallow what you need and sp

Re: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-06 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Lluís Mendieta wrote: > > Hi, Ed > > How you could be sure that an experience is not an illusion? > A mirage is an illusion, and you experience it. As far as I am aware I have never ever experienced anything in my life as an 'illusion'. But, when certain even

Re: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-06 Thread ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote: > > Hi ED: > > Every time I've tried to explain the differences between illusion and reality my mind seems to get entangled, like in clear sunny day coming all of a sudden a thick mist. Hi Mayka, And, so what if your mind gets confused? You

Re: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-06 Thread Maria Lopez
Hi ED:   Every time I've tried to explain the differences between illusion and reality my mind seems to get entangled, like in clear sunny day coming all of a sudden a thick mist . The other day as soon I sent the posting to the web I wondered: Wouldn't be another illusion to make distinctions b

Re: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-06 Thread Lluís Mendieta
...@hhs1963.org To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 5:53 AM Subject: RE: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory Ed, Everything you think about is illusory. Illusions are illusory. Interpretations are illusory. Doctrines are illusory. Philosophical

RE: [Zen] Reality in Buddhism not necessarily illusory

2010-11-05 Thread BillSmart
Ed, Everything you think about is illusory. Illusions are illusory. Interpretations are illusory. Doctrines are illusory. Philosophical traditions are illusory. Everything you experience is reality. Reality is not illusory. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups