yes, thank you.
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> Chris,
>
> Depends on your perspective. If you aren't in satori then the
concept
> of satori makes sense as one concept among others, but if you are
in
> satori then no concepts, including that of sa
I agree...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Chris,
>
> Depends on your perspective. If you aren't in satori then the
concept
> of satori makes sense as one concept among others, but if you are
in
> satori then no concepts, including that of sa
Chris,
Depends on your perspective. If you aren't in satori then the concept
of satori makes sense as one concept among others, but if you are in
satori then no concepts, including that of satori, make sense.
Edgar
On Sep 17, 2008, at 4:51 PM, cid830 wrote:
Thank you Bill. I was merely
The same character as Japanese, because Japanese is a subset of Chinese
-- 悟 --- same in both languages. It means realization/awakening.
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> Dear JMJM,
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> >PS. Our school uses the term of "practice with our heart", because heart
> >has no memory. It is incapable to
Dear JMJM,
>PS. Our school uses the term of "practice with our heart", because heart
>has no memory. It is incapable to think. :-)
What's Satori called in Chinese?
Gasshoo / Heshou , Kai
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or
I like that, Practice with Heart.
As far as self and no self, Buddha taught in between perhaps.
Same as suffering and no suffering.
Leaving the awakening to the impermanance.
And the noticing of illusions created by mind.
Like the student dissapointed when the Master sat on a needle and
said Ouc
Thank you Bill. I was merely stating that I agree with your
definition of satori. My other remarks were referencing Edgar's
post about satori, no satori. I felt he was stating that there is
no such thing as satori, it is all an illusion, and I know where he
is coming from... but how can you s
Chris, et al,
I'm not saying that I beleive 'satori' is real - it is maya. Your
self is maya and all those things that occlude your Buddha Nature
(Just THIS!) are maya. I was merely answering some questions about
what the Japanese term 'satori' means, and how it is used in Japanese
Zen Buddh
JMJM, that definition fits my understanding of the concept
of 'satori'...Bill!
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> Thank you for all of your input about satori. I used google
translator
> and I found the Japanese equivalent, æã
I'm with Bill on this one; I was taught to believe that satori was
an initial breakthrough or awakening. But that it is not necessarily
Enlightenment or the complete loss of self. Although, i think it is
possible to experience it all at once. Satori is a concept but it
is real as defined in on
Thank you for all of your input about satori. I used google translator
and I found the Japanese equivalent, 悟り
If that is the correct Kanji, then it means literally Awakening.
Awakening is defined by our school a realization/experience that we are
enslaved by our mind. Just a mental realizat
realizing Awareness.
Sudden or gradual.
Neither
Both
It is when the ego no longer covers the personality and you are just
yourself.
Neither sudden nor gradual.
siminotes
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> JM,
>
> Satori is actually a misleading
JM,
Satori is actually a misleading illusion. It refers to the
realization of the true nature of things by direct experience. But
since the nature of things is ever present and actually is our direct
experience in that view we are always directly experiencing it. By
using the term satori,
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