JMJM, that definition fits my understanding of the concept of 'satori'...Bill!
--- In [email protected], Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thank you for all of your input about satori. I used google translator > and I found the Japanese equivalent, æã > > If that is the correct Kanji, then it means literally Awakening. > Awakening is defined by our school a realization/experience that we are > enslaved by our mind. Just a mental realization as well as an > experience separating us from our mind. > > Is this correct? > > If satori means a state of being, then we can live our daily life in the > state of Satori, then there is no self. Therefore no suffering, no > judgment, etc. > > Thanks, > JM > PS. Our school uses the term of "practice with our heart", because heart > has no memory. It is incapable to think. :-) > > > > siminotes wrote: > > > > realizing Awareness. > > > > Sudden or gradual..... > > > > Neither > > > > Both > > > > It is when the ego no longer covers the personality and you are just > > yourself. > > > > Neither sudden nor gradual. > > > > siminotes > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > JM, > > > > > > Satori is actually a misleading illusion. It refers to the > > > realization of the true nature of things by direct experience. But > > > since the nature of things is ever present and actually is our > > direct > > > experience in that view we are always directly experiencing it. By > > > using the term satori, we make an illusory distinction that we can > > > either realize or not realize the true nature of things. But that > > > implies an illusory dualism in the nature of things (the nature of > > > things actually being our direct experience) as either one way or > > the > > > other. It imposes a judgment on direct experience, and judgement > > is > > > the antithesis of satori. So that is incorrect. All that exists is > > > direct experience of the true nature of things, there is nothing > > > else. Thus satori is and can be nothing, it is meaningless, an > > empty > > > word, a sound on the wind. All this is just a matter of which > > empty > > > words are used to describe the one true experience that is > > > consciousness. > > > > > > From the point of view of satori, satori and not satori have no > > > meaning. ONly from the point of view of non satori, is the concept > > of > > > satori meaningful, as only in the world of relativity and dualism > > can > > > there be such a distinction. > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2008, at 11:19 AM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦⢠ç²¾æËŽ > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi guys, What is satori? Is it sudden or gradual? Is it permanent > > or > > > > on and off? If you have any Buddhist term to refer to, it would > > help. > > > > Much obliged, JM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
