JMJM, that definition fits my understanding of the concept 
of 'satori'...Bill!

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thank you for all of your input about satori.  I used google 
translator 
> and I found the Japanese equivalent, 悟り
> 
> If that is the correct Kanji, then it means literally Awakening.  
> Awakening is defined by our school a realization/experience that we 
are 
> enslaved by our mind.  Just a mental realization as well as an 
> experience separating us from our mind.
> 
> Is this correct? 
> 
> If satori means a state of being, then we can live our daily life 
in the 
> state of Satori, then there is no self.  Therefore no suffering, no 
> judgment, etc.
> 
> Thanks,
> JM
> PS. Our school uses the term of "practice with our heart", because 
heart 
> has no memory.  It is incapable to think.  :-)
> 
> 
> 
> siminotes wrote:
> >
> > realizing Awareness.
> >
> > Sudden or gradual.....
> >
> > Neither
> >
> > Both
> >
> > It is when the ego no longer covers the personality and you are 
just
> > yourself.
> >
> > Neither sudden nor gradual.
> >
> > siminotes
> >
> > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%
40yahoogroups.com>, 
> > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
> > >
> > > JM,
> > >
> > > Satori is actually a misleading illusion. It refers to the
> > > realization of the true nature of things by direct experience. 
But
> > > since the nature of things is ever present and actually is our
> > direct
> > > experience in that view we are always directly experiencing it. 
By
> > > using the term satori, we make an illusory distinction that we 
can
> > > either realize or not realize the true nature of things. But 
that
> > > implies an illusory dualism in the nature of things (the nature 
of
> > > things actually being our direct experience) as either one way 
or
> > the
> > > other. It imposes a judgment on direct experience, and judgement
> > is
> > > the antithesis of satori. So that is incorrect. All that exists 
is
> > > direct experience of the true nature of things, there is nothing
> > > else. Thus satori is and can be nothing, it is meaningless, an
> > empty
> > > word, a sound on the wind. All this is just a matter of which
> > empty
> > > words are used to describe the one true experience that is
> > > consciousness.
> > >
> > > From the point of view of satori, satori and not satori have no
> > > meaning. ONly from the point of view of non satori, is the 
concept
> > of
> > > satori meaningful, as only in the world of relativity and 
dualism
> > can
> > > there be such a distinction.
> > >
> > > Edgar
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 17, 2008, at 11:19 AM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙
精明
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi guys, What is satori? Is it sudden or gradual? Is it 
permanent
> > or
> > > > on and off? If you have any Buddhist term to refer to, it 
would
> > help.
> > > > Much obliged, JM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>



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