realizing Awareness.

Sudden or gradual.....

Neither

Both

It is when the ego no longer covers the personality and you are just 
yourself.

Neither sudden nor gradual.

siminotes


--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> JM,
> 
> Satori is actually a misleading illusion. It refers to the  
> realization of the true nature of things by direct experience. But  
> since the nature of things is ever present and actually is our 
direct  
> experience in that view we are always directly experiencing it. By  
> using the term satori, we make an illusory distinction that we can  
> either realize or not realize the true nature of things. But that  
> implies an illusory dualism in the nature of things (the nature of  
> things actually being our direct experience) as either one way or 
the  
> other. It imposes a judgment on direct experience, and judgement 
is  
> the antithesis of satori. So that is incorrect. All that exists is  
> direct experience of the true nature of things, there is nothing  
> else. Thus satori is and can be nothing, it is meaningless, an 
empty  
> word, a sound on the wind. All this is just a matter of which 
empty  
> words are used to describe the one true experience that is  
> consciousness.
> 
>  From the point of view of satori, satori and not satori have no  
> meaning. ONly from the point of view of non satori, is the concept 
of  
> satori meaningful, as only in the world of relativity and dualism 
can  
> there be such a distinction.
> 
> Edgar
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 17, 2008, at 11:19 AM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 
wrote:
> 
> > Hi guys, What is satori? Is it sudden or gradual? Is it permanent 
or
> > on and off? If you have any Buddhist term to refer to, it would 
help.
> > Much obliged, JM
> >
> >
> >
>



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