realizing Awareness. Sudden or gradual.....
Neither Both It is when the ego no longer covers the personality and you are just yourself. Neither sudden nor gradual. siminotes --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > JM, > > Satori is actually a misleading illusion. It refers to the > realization of the true nature of things by direct experience. But > since the nature of things is ever present and actually is our direct > experience in that view we are always directly experiencing it. By > using the term satori, we make an illusory distinction that we can > either realize or not realize the true nature of things. But that > implies an illusory dualism in the nature of things (the nature of > things actually being our direct experience) as either one way or the > other. It imposes a judgment on direct experience, and judgement is > the antithesis of satori. So that is incorrect. All that exists is > direct experience of the true nature of things, there is nothing > else. Thus satori is and can be nothing, it is meaningless, an empty > word, a sound on the wind. All this is just a matter of which empty > words are used to describe the one true experience that is > consciousness. > > From the point of view of satori, satori and not satori have no > meaning. ONly from the point of view of non satori, is the concept of > satori meaningful, as only in the world of relativity and dualism can > there be such a distinction. > > Edgar > > > > On Sep 17, 2008, at 11:19 AM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ wrote: > > > Hi guys, What is satori? Is it sudden or gradual? Is it permanent or > > on and off? If you have any Buddhist term to refer to, it would help. > > Much obliged, JM > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
