Re: [zfs-discuss] Server upgrade

2012-02-20 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Thu, February 16, 2012 11:18, Paul Kraus wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:42 AM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > >> I'm seriously thinking of going Nexenta, as I think it would let me be a >> little less of a sysadmin.  Solaris 11 express is tempting in its own >> w

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server upgrade

2012-02-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Wed, February 15, 2012 18:06, Brandon High wrote: > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:16 AM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >> Is there an upgrade path from (I think I'm running Solaris Express) to >> something modern?  (That could be an Oracle distribution, or the free > > There

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server upgrade

2012-02-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Thu, February 16, 2012 13:31, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- >> boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of David Dyer-Bennet >> >> This is already getting useful; "which has never worked for me" for >&

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server upgrade

2012-02-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Thu, February 16, 2012 08:54, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- >> boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of David Dyer-Bennet >> >> While I'm not in need of upgrading my server at an emergency level, I'm &

[zfs-discuss] Server upgrade

2012-02-15 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
bs, too.) AND, what "something" should I upgrade to or install? I've tried a couple of times to figure out the alternatives and it's never really clear to me what my good options are. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b

Re: [zfs-discuss] slow zfs send/recv speed

2011-11-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
remental sends is that the disks being read are hitting their IOPS limits. Zfs send does random reads all over the place -- every block that's changed since the last incremental send is read, in TXG order. So that's essentially random reads all of the disk. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@d

Re: [zfs-discuss] Remove corrupt files from snapshot

2011-11-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
photos.) A weekly scrub combined with a decent backup plan will detect bit-rot before the backups with the correct data cycle into the trash (and, with redundant storage like mirroring or RAID, the scrub will probably be able to fix the error without resorting to restoring files from backup). --

Re: [zfs-discuss] slow zfs send/recv speed

2011-11-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
han 1GB, if it's a stitched panorama with layers of changes). And then there are sidecar XMP files, mostly two per image, and for most of them web-resolution images, 100kB. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http:/

Re: [zfs-discuss] Adding mirrors to an existing zfs-pool]

2011-07-28 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
ed by the ability to attach and detach arbitrary numbers of disks to mirrors. It makes upgrading mirrored disks very very safe, since I can perform the entire procedure without ever reducing redundancy below my starting point (using the classic attach new, resilver, detach old sequence, repeated

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD vs "hybrid" drive - any advice?

2011-07-26 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
tasks? "Processing" the request just means flagging the blocks, though, right? And the actual benefits only acrue if the garbage collection / block reshuffling background tasks get a chance to run? -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/Sn

Re: [zfs-discuss] Quick zfs send -i performance questions

2011-05-04 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
MB; > are my expectation realistic or is it just because of my very budget > concious set up? If so, where's the bottleneck? In addition to issues others have mentiond, the way incremental send works, it follows the order the blocks were written in rather than disk order, so that can

Re: [zfs-discuss] Network video streaming [Was: Re: X4540 no next-gen product?]

2011-04-11 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
2TB of RAM, though I believe real installations were using 512GB. Data got from the Thumpers to the streaming board over Ethernet, though. In big chunks -- 10MB maybe? (Been a while; I worked on the user interface level, but had little to do with the streaming hardware.) -- David Dyer-Benne

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS send/receive to Solaris/FBSD/OpenIndiana/Nexenta VM guest?

2011-04-06 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
or your VM to hold what you need, that seems a reasonable approach to me, but I haven't tried anything much like it, so my opinion is, if you're very lucky, maybe worth what you paid for it. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/Sna

Re: [zfs-discuss] [illumos-Developer] zfs incremental send?

2011-03-30 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
ocess seems to make the receiving pool unimportable. Possibly I could use recovery tricks to step back a TXG or two until I get something valid, and then manually remove the snapshots added to get back to the initial state, and then I could start the incremental again; in practice, I haven't made

Re: [zfs-discuss] Good SLOG devices?

2011-03-02 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
gigabit ethernet (through one switch; the boxes sit next to each other on a shelf over my desk). I'll do more research before spending money. But as a question of general theory, should a decent separate intent log device help for a single-user sequential write sequence in the 100MB to 1GB

Re: [zfs-discuss] Good SLOG devices?

2011-03-02 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
L with low latency > > http://dataonstorage.com/zeusram Says "call for price". I know what that means, it means "If you have to ask, you can't afford it." -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd

Re: [zfs-discuss] Drive i/o anomaly

2011-02-09 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
them is "broken" and don't use it at all. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info ___ zf

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/Drobo (Newbie) Question

2011-02-08 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On 2011-02-08 21:39, Brandon High wrote: On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:53 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: Wait, are you saying that the handling of errors in RAIDZ and mirrors is completely different? That it dumps the mirror disk immediately, but keeps trying to get what it can from the RAIDZ disk

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/Drobo (Newbie) Question

2011-02-08 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
ing to get what it can from the RAIDZ disk? Because otherwise, you assertion doesn't seem to hold up. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/Drobo (Newbie) Question

2011-02-08 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Mon, February 7, 2011 14:59, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > > On Sat, February 5, 2011 11:54, Gaikokujin Kyofusho wrote: >> Thank you kebabber. I will try out indiana and virtual box to play >> around >> with it a bit. >> >> Just to make sure I understan

Re: [zfs-discuss] Understanding directio, O_DSYNC and zfs_nocacheflush on ZFS

2011-02-07 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
, ZFS would batch up a bunch of writes and change > both the original I/O activity and the time. I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to measure (which seems to be your top priority). Achievable performance with ZFS would be better using suitable caching; normally that'

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/Drobo (Newbie) Question

2011-02-07 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
lus 1TB hot spare.) Or you could stick strictly to mirrors; 4 pools 2x2T, 2x2T, 2x750G, 2x1.5T. Mirrors are more flexible, give you more redundancy, and are much easier to work with. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http:/

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Newbie question

2011-02-07 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
me a LOT more than a Drobo (but then I bought in 2006, too). -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info ___ zfs-disc

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss Digest, Vol 64, Issue 13

2011-02-07 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
ble? They won't change just because I add or remove drives, right; only maybe if I change controller cards? -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/phot

Re: [zfs-discuss] Replace block devices to increase pool size

2011-02-07 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
e mirror vdevs in my main pool over this last weekend, and it all went quite smoothly, but I did have to turn on autoexpand at the end of the process to see the new space. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-

Re: [zfs-discuss] Identifying drives (SATA), question about hot spare allocation

2011-02-06 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
drives to larger so long as they are big enough (thus leaving the big drives for bigger failures)? -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Identifying drives (SATA)

2011-02-06 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
u're forgetting how dd works. The dd commands being proposed to create drive traffic are all read-only accesses, so they shouldn't damage anything -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/phot

[zfs-discuss] Drive id confusion

2011-02-05 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
ied should I be? (I've got current backups). -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info ___ zfs-discuss maili

[zfs-discuss] /dev/dsk files missing

2011-02-05 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
And devfsadm doesn't create them. Am I looking at the wrong program, or what? -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera

[zfs-discuss] Identifying drives (SATA)

2011-02-05 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
t backups, but it's a pain to restore of course.) (Hmmm; in single-user mode, use dd to read huge chunks of one disk, and see which lights come on? Do I even need to be in single-user mode to do that?) -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/Sn

Re: [zfs-discuss] BOOT, ZIL, L2ARC one one SSD?

2011-01-06 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
those running a home NAS. > That's not to say there's never a situation where it makes sense. Other > people have done it, and maybe it makes sense for you. But probably not. Yeah, okay, maybe we're not completely disagreeing. --

[zfs-discuss] file-inherit and dir-inherit at toplevel of ZFS CIFS share

2010-10-25 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
. I could just leave it named "new directory", though. And I could rename it on the Linux side as the same user that failed to rename it from the Windows side.) -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Balancing LVOL fill?

2010-10-20 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
extent that that's a problem, that really needs to be fixed. However, it's not the sort of thing one should hold one's breath waiting for! -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photograp

Re: [zfs-discuss] Finding corrupted files

2010-10-11 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
f tests happen to provide evidence that the problem isn't new errors appearing, sometimes after a scrub and before the send? For example, have you done 1) scrub finds no error, 2) send finds error, 3) scrub finds no error? (with nothing in between that could have cleared or fixed the erro

Re: [zfs-discuss] Increase size of 2-way mirror

2010-10-06 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
acity of the new larger disks, and that space will become available in the pool. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info __

Re: [zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-06 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
the next capacity upgrade. > I was pretty happen with the WD drives (except for the one with a > seriously > broken cache) but I see the reasons to not to pick WD drives over the 1TB > range. And the big ones are what pretty much everybody is using at home. Capacity and price are vas

Re: [zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-06 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
t quite reasonably think they could put those in a home server. (Yeah, I know the enterprise versions have other differences. I'm not nearly so sure I CARE about the other differences, in the size servers I'm working with.) -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots:

Re: [zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-05 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
The WD RE3 1TB is $130 (all these prices are from Newegg just now). That's very close to TWICE the price of the competing 1TB drives. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos:

Re: [zfs-discuss] When Zpool has no space left and no snapshots

2010-09-29 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
t overwrite. AND, if it's in any snapshots, the old version doesn't get released. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] When Zpool has no space left and no snapshots

2010-09-29 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
're stuck with whatever you add "forever", since there's no way to remove a vdev from a pool. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info

Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users (was: Please warn a home user against OpenSolaris under VirtualBox under WinXP ; ))

2010-09-23 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
the backup pools on external USB disks). (It does have ECC; even before some of the cases leading to that recommendation were explained on that list, I just didn't see the percentage in not protecting the memory.) -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http:/

Re: [zfs-discuss] resilver = defrag?

2010-09-17 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Thu, September 16, 2010 14:04, Miles Nordin wrote: >>>>>> "dd" == David Dyer-Bennet writes: > > dd> Sure, if only a single thread is ever writing to the disk > dd> store at a time. > > video warehousing is a reasonable use case that wi

Re: [zfs-discuss] resilver = defrag?

2010-09-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
prise disk appliance, though; there are always multiple users doing stuff. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info

Re: [zfs-discuss] resilver = defrag?

2010-09-14 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
n't get to load your big DLL in one read -- and to the extent that you don't, it doesn't matter much how it's spread around the disk, because the head won't be in the same spot when you get your turn again. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http

Re: [zfs-discuss] Configuration questions for Home File Server (CPU cores, dedup, checksum)?

2010-09-13 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
e (including motion picture / video) or audio files, for example (the main things that take up much space on most home servers). -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: h

Re: [zfs-discuss] resilver = defrag?

2010-09-13 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
computers. Regardless of whether a file is contiguous or not, by the time you read the next chunk of it, in the multi-user world some other user is going to have moved the access arm of that drive. Hence, it doesn't matter if the file is contiguous or not. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Storage server hardwae

2010-08-26 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
ive process.) -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org h

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
at Linux did not even start to > write > to the disk when gtar finished. As a test of ext? performance, that does seem to be lacking something! I guess it's a consequence of the low sound levels of modern disk drives; you go back enough years, that error couldn't have passed unno

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
oot-tree.c;h=2d958be761c84556b39c60afa3b0f3fd75d6;hb=HEAD> -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info ___ zfs-discuss m

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
ory. The more unusual my requirements, and the better defined, the less I can gain from studying outside test reports. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
/store/catalog.html> Your point that "free" has been important is very true. I'm not sure that what Oracle says they're doing with Solaris 11 Express won't cover that at least for business customers, though. (I do think that they'll lose out on the extensi

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Mon, August 16, 2010 11:01, Joerg Schilling wrote: > "David Dyer-Bennet" wrote: > >> >> As such, they'll need to continue to comply with GPLv2 requirements. >> > >> > No, there is definitely no need for Oracle to comply with the GPL as >&g

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Mon, August 16, 2010 10:43, Joerg Schilling wrote: > "David Dyer-Bennet" wrote: > >> >> On Sun, August 15, 2010 20:44, Peter Jeremy wrote: >> >> > Irrespective of the above, there is nothing requiring Oracle to >> release >> > any

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
ernel rather than die a death of anonymity outside of it... >> >> As such, they'll need to continue to comply with GPLv2 requirements. > > No, there is definitely no need for Oracle to comply with the GPL as they > own the code. Ray's point is, how long would BTRFS rema

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
t to use it just internally they can do anything they want, of course. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info _

Re: [zfs-discuss] New Supermicro SAS/SATA controller: AOC-USAS2-L8e in SOHO NAS and HD HT

2010-08-13 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
y might possibly take it back. Selling it on Ebay is often more profitable, since the buyer pays shipping :-). -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problems with big ZFS send/receive in b134

2010-08-12 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Wed, August 11, 2010 15:11, Paul Kraus wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:36 AM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >>>> Am I looking for too much here?  I *thought* I was doing something >>>> that >>>> should be simple and basic and frequently used nearly eve

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problems with big ZFS send/receive in b134

2010-08-11 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Tue, August 10, 2010 16:41, Dave Pacheco wrote: > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >> If that turns out to be the problem, that'll be annoying to work around >> (I'm making snapshots every two hours and deleting them after a couple >> of >> weeks). Locks between

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problems with big ZFS send/receive in b134

2010-08-11 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Tue, August 10, 2010 23:13, Ian Collins wrote: > On 08/11/10 03:45 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >> cannot receive incremental stream: most recent snapshot of >> bup-wrack/fsfs/zp1/ddb does not >> match incremental source > That last error occurs if the snapshot exi

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problems with big ZFS send/receive in b134

2010-08-10 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On 10-Aug-10 13:46, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: On Tue, August 10, 2010 13:23, Dave Pacheco wrote: David Dyer-Bennet wrote: My full backup still doesn't complete. However, instead of hanging the entire disk subsystem as it did on 111b, it now issues error messages. Errors at th

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problems with big ZFS send/receive in b134

2010-08-10 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Tue, August 10, 2010 13:23, Dave Pacheco wrote: > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >> My full backup still doesn't complete. However, instead of hanging the >> entire disk subsystem as it did on 111b, it now issues error messages. >> Errors at the end. > [...] >>

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problems with big ZFS send/receive in b134

2010-08-10 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
ly after starting the second try at a full backup (since the b134 upgrade), so bup-wrack is still mostly empty. None of the pools have shown any errors of any sort in months. zp1 and rpool are scrubbed weekly. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b

[zfs-discuss] Problems with big ZFS send/receive in b134

2010-08-10 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
expanded version of the command with all the variables filled in, but I don't expect any different outcome. Any other ideas? -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera:

[zfs-discuss] Directory tree renaming -- disk usage

2010-08-09 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
x27;m interested in the theoretical answer in any case. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info ___ z

[zfs-discuss] Errors upgrading 2009.06 to dev build 134

2010-08-05 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
ootable CDs with "recovery consoles" that at least get me single user, and one with full LiveCD capability, so I should be able to unwind the mess if necessary. I guess technically this has no business on zfs-discuss; apologies for that, but all the prior discussion of this upgrade, an

[zfs-discuss] Upgrading 2009.06 to something current

2010-08-01 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
for whom it didn't work, too. Is there any kind of consensus on what the best way to do this is? -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info _

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Fri, July 16, 2010 14:07, Frank Cusack wrote: > On 7/16/10 12:02 PM -0500 David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >>> It would be nice to have applications request to be notified >>> before a snapshot is taken, and when that have requested >>> notification have acknowledged th

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
be fine with arbitrary snapshots, too. For that matter, remember that the "snapshot" may be taken on a zfs server on another continent which is making the storage available via iScsi; there's currently no notification channel to tell the software the snapshot is happening. -- D

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-15 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Thu, July 15, 2010 09:29, Tim Cook wrote: > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 9:09 AM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > >> >> On Wed, July 14, 2010 23:51, Tim Cook wrote: >> > You're clearly talking about something completely different than >> everyone >> &g

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-15 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
t; as I understand it they decided that buying expensive servers was a waste of money precisely because of the high numbers they needed. Even with the good ones, some will fail, so they had to plan to work very well through server failures, so they can save huge amounts of money on hardware by bu

Re: [zfs-discuss] preparing for future drive additions

2010-07-14 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
support.) If your backups are good and your uptime requirements aren't really strict, of course the risks can be tolerated better. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send/recv hanging in 2009.06

2010-07-13 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
;m starting to think about doing something else myself. Does anybody have any idea what's up with the stable release, though? Has anything been said about the plans that I've maybe missed? -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/Sn

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send/recv hanging in 2009.06

2010-07-13 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
Other than trying more recent code, I don't recall any useful ideas coming through the list. It seems like the thing people recommend as the backup scheme for ZFS simply doesn't work yet. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/

Re: [zfs-discuss] Crucial RealSSD C300 and cache flush?

2010-06-24 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
I'd say, yes, it flushes its cache on request. Starting to sound pretty convincing, yes. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ D

Re: [zfs-discuss] Complete Linux Noob

2010-06-15 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
fically, how do I access them from Windows based systems? Is there > any special trick? Nothing special. In-kernel CIFS is better than SAMBA, and supports full NTFS ACLs. I hear it also attaches to AD cleanly, but I haven't done that, don't run AD at home

Re: [zfs-discuss] Please trim posts

2010-06-10 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
re. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensol

Re: [zfs-discuss] Depth of Scrub

2010-06-04 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
s the > snapshots, but anything beyond that? Your find script misses the redundant data; scrub checks it all. It may well miss some of the metadata as well, and probably misses the redundant copies of metadata. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.ne

Re: [zfs-discuss] one more time: pool size changes

2010-06-03 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Thu, June 3, 2010 12:03, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >> >> In an 8-bay chassis, there are other concerns, too. Do I keep space >> open >> for a hot spare? There's no real point in a hot spare if you have only >>

Re: [zfs-discuss] one more time: pool size changes

2010-06-03 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Thu, June 3, 2010 13:04, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 11:49 -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >> hot spares in place, but I have the bays reserved for that use. >> >> In the latest upgrade, I added 4 2.5" hot-swap bays (which got the >> sys

Re: [zfs-discuss] one more time: pool size changes

2010-06-03 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Thu, June 3, 2010 10:50, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 10:35 -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >> On Thu, June 3, 2010 10:15, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> > Using a stripe of mirrors (RAID0) you can get the benefits of multiple >> > spindle perf

Re: [zfs-discuss] one more time: pool size changes

2010-06-03 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Thu, June 3, 2010 10:50, Marty Scholes wrote: > David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >> My choice of mirrors rather than RAIDZ is based on >> the fact that I have >> only 8 hot-swap bays (I still think of this as LARGE >> for a home server; >> the competition, things like

Re: [zfs-discuss] one more time: pool size changes

2010-06-03 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
FS) has advised on his blog. I believe that article directly influenced my choice, in fact. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] one more time: pool size changes

2010-06-03 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
before I detach the old drives; I couldn't do that with RAIDZ. Also, the fact that disk is now so cheap means that 100% redundancy is affordable, I don't have to compromise on RAIDZ. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I change copies to 2 *after* I have copied a bunch of files?

2010-06-01 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
nking pools and adding compression or extra redundancy later work). Nobody has promised a date for it that I recall. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dr

Re: [zfs-discuss] send/recv over ssh

2010-05-21 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Fri, May 21, 2010 12:59, Brandon High wrote: > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:12 AM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >> >> On Thu, May 20, 2010 19:44, Freddie Cash wrote: >>> And you can always patch OpenSSH with HPN, thus enabling the NONE >>> cipher, >>> whic

Re: [zfs-discuss] Interesting experience with Nexenta - anyone seen it?

2010-05-21 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
cturer and multiple outside tests in "significant" journals -- which could be the blog of somebody I trusted, as well as actual magazines and such. Ideally, certainly if it's important, I'd then verify the tests myself. There aren't enough hours in the day, so I often get

Re: [zfs-discuss] send/recv over ssh

2010-05-21 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
is moving one's data unencrypted; but the precise cases where the performance hit of encryption will show are the safe ones, such as between my desktop and server which are plugged into the same switch; no data would leave that small LAN segment. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ S

Re: [zfs-discuss] Performance drop during scrub?

2010-05-03 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Mon, May 3, 2010 17:02, Richard Elling wrote: > On May 3, 2010, at 2:38 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >> On Sun, May 2, 2010 14:12, Richard Elling wrote: >>> On May 1, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: >>>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2010, Freddie Cash wrote: >&

Re: [zfs-discuss] Performance drop during scrub?

2010-05-03 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
omics have been very much against it in the range I'm working (small; 1.2 terabytes usable on my server currently). I don't expect I'll keep my hard disks for 30 years; I expect I'll upgrade them periodically, probably even within their MTBF. (Although note that, though tests ha

Re: [zfs-discuss] Performance drop during scrub?

2010-04-30 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
o bit-rot? Yes, that's precisely my point. That's why it's especially relevant to archival data -- it's important (to me), but not frequently accessed. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.n

Re: [zfs-discuss] Performance drop during scrub?

2010-04-30 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
lly, and something to check *against*, and block checksums and scrub seemed to fill the bill. So, yes, I want to catch bit rot -- on a pool of mirrored VDEVs. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/pho

Re: [zfs-discuss] Performance drop during scrub?

2010-04-28 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
asonable outcome to hope for? Do you think ZFS is close to meeting it? People with systems that live at 75% all day are obviously going to have more problems than people who live at 25%! -- David Dyer-Bennet, d...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/da

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS vs SATA: Same size, same speed, why SAS?

2010-04-27 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Tue, April 27, 2010 11:17, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >> >> I don't think I understand your scenario here. The docs online at >> <http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5461/gazgd?a=view> describe uses >> of

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS vs SATA: Same size, same speed, why SAS?

2010-04-27 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Tue, April 27, 2010 10:38, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Tue, 27 Apr 2010, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >> >> Hey, you know what might be helpful? Being able to add redundancy to a >> raid vdev. Being able to go from RAIDZ2 to RAIDZ3 by adding another >> drive >> o

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS vs SATA: Same size, same speed, why SAS?

2010-04-27 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
example) and then they (in conspiracy with an accomplice company) charge us many times the cost of the physical hardware for fixed versions. This MUST be stopped. This is EXACTLY what standards exist for -- so we can buy known-quantity products in a competitive market. -- David Dyer-Bennet, d

Re: [zfs-discuss] Which build is the most stable, mainly for NAS (zfs)?

2010-04-14 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On 14-Apr-10 22:44, Ian Collins wrote: On 04/15/10 06:16 AM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: Because 132 was the most current last time I paid much attention :-). As I say, I'm currently holding out for 2010.$Spring, but knowing how to get to a particular build via package would be potent

Re: [zfs-discuss] Which build is the most stable, mainly for NAS (zfs)?

2010-04-14 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Wed, April 14, 2010 15:28, Miles Nordin wrote: >>>>>> "dd" == David Dyer-Bennet writes: > > dd> Is it possible to switch to b132 now, for example? > > yeah, this is not so bad. I know of two approaches: Thanks, I've filed and flagged thi

Re: [zfs-discuss] Suggestions about current ZFS setup

2010-04-14 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Wed, April 14, 2010 12:29, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Wed, 14 Apr 2010, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >>>> >>>> Not necessarily for a home server. While mine so far is all mirrored >>>> pairs of 400GB disks, I don't even think about "performance&qu

Re: [zfs-discuss] Which build is the most stable, mainly for NAS (zfs)?

2010-04-14 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
with success. > > I wouldn't know why to go to 132 instead of 133, though. 129 seems to be > an option. Because 132 was the most current last time I paid much attention :-). As I say, I'm currently holding out for 2010.$Spring, but knowing how to get to a particular

Re: [zfs-discuss] Suggestions about current ZFS setup

2010-04-14 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Wed, April 14, 2010 12:06, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Wed, 14 Apr 2010, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >>> It should be "safe" but chances are that your new 2TB disks are >>> considerably slower than the 1TB disks you already have. This should >>> be as much

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