RE: [Zope] Error on starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2

2005-10-16 Thread Chris McDonough
On Sun, 2005-10-16 at 12:29 -0700, Dennis Allison wrote: > What does concern me is the way in which the recommendation to use (at the > moment) Python 2.3.5 is explained. > > I may be willing to accept the risks of using a system which has not yet > been audited in terms of security, but I want

RE: [Zope] Error on starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2

2005-10-16 Thread Dennis Allison
Andreas, I understand both the importance of stability and the need for a security audit at some point. (I do wish we had the funds or I had the time to help move it forward, but I don't.) I also understand the need for a consistent framework for reporting and resolving bugs. It is reasonabl

Re: [Zope] Error on starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2

2005-10-16 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 16. Oktober 2005 12:01:00 -0700 Dennis Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If the reason for trying to stick with 2.3.5 is to maintain a stable test and development environment for Zope 2.8, so be it. It is much much easier to fix one of the multitude of possible variables in a comple

RE: [Zope] Error on starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2

2005-10-16 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 16. Oktober 2005 11:54:18 -0700 Dennis Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMHO it would be wise to track the releases of Python a bit more closely. Software components choosen for a framework have to be solid and approved. There is no reason to run after every new python version or

Re: [Zope] Error on starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2

2005-10-16 Thread Dennis Allison
Andreas, Aside from a "security audit" what problems have been reported using Python 2.4.X? Those of use who run Python 2.4.X do it becasue we want access to the language features and performance. If there are stability issues attributed to that choice, we'd like to know what they are.

Re: [Zope] Error on starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2

2005-10-16 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 16 Oct 2005, at 19:54, Dennis Allison wrote: Why does Zope lag the release of Python by so very long? Because someone has to spend considerable time to assess impacts on the Zope 2 security machinery. This has been mentioned on this and other Zope lists on various occasions. My unde

RE: [Zope] Error on starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2

2005-10-16 Thread Dennis Allison
Pascal, Why does Zope lag the release of Python by so very long? The Python 2.4.X series includes language features and poerformance enhancements which ought to be available in Zope. For the most part, Python 2.3.5 is a subset of Python 2.4.X. Compatibility is a language and implementation des

Re: [Zope] Error on starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2

2005-10-16 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 16. Oktober 2005 11:27:36 -0700 Dennis Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: whrandom is a deprecated python library package which should be replaced by random. Python 2.3.5 does not produce the deprecation warning but lacks some of the features of the Python 2.4.X series. It is alrea

Re: [Zope] Error on starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2

2005-10-16 Thread Dennis Allison
whrandom is a deprecated python library package which should be replaced by random. Python 2.3.5 does not produce the deprecation warning but lacks some of the features of the Python 2.4.X series. On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello. On starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2 (u

Re: [Zope] Error on starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2

2005-10-14 Thread hpinson
>> It's a DeprecationWarning. I see. Thanks. > In contrast, Python 2.4 is now _required_ for Zope 3 development. > Zope 3 has a different approach to security, which isn't as sensitive > to changes in Python. Good point-- this is why I had compiled 2.8.2 erroneously with Python 2.4.2-- I was

Re: [Zope] Error on starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2

2005-10-14 Thread Tim Peters
[ [EMAIL PROTECTED] > My mistake, but given that, any sense if I can I safely ignore the > warning? It's a DeprecationWarning. All it means is that Python's `whrandom` module is going to go away in a future release -- it's advising applications to switch to using the `random` module if they want

Re: [Zope] Error on starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2

2005-10-14 Thread hpinson
> Please also keep in mind that Zope 2.8.2 requires Python 2.3.5. Zope 2.8.2 > is not certified for any Python 2.4.x versions. So using Python 2.4 is > neither recommended nor supported and any related questions or problems are > likely to be ignored until 2.4 is an officially supported Python ve

Re: [Zope] Error on starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2

2005-10-14 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 14. Oktober 2005 10:09:39 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. On starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2 (upgraded from 2.8.1, compiled with Python 2.4.2, running on Fedora Core 3) I get the following error. Performance does not seem to be affected. Resolution? Quote from my announcement ye

RE: [Zope] Error on starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2

2005-10-14 Thread Pascal Peregrina
ems are likely to be ignored until 2.4 is an officially > supported Python version for Zope. Pascal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jens Vagelpohl Sent: 14 October 2005 17:12 To: Zope ML Subject: Re: [Zope] Error on starting and stoppi

Re: [Zope] Error on starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2

2005-10-14 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 14 Oct 2005, at 17:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. On starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2 (upgraded from 2.8.1, compiled with Python 2.4.2, running on Fedora Core 3) I get the following error. Performance does not seem to be affected. Resolution? # service zopectl start /opt/python2.4.2/li

[Zope] Error on starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2

2005-10-14 Thread hpinson
Hello. On starting and stopping Zope 2.8.2 (upgraded from 2.8.1, compiled with Python 2.4.2, running on Fedora Core 3) I get the following error. Performance does not seem to be affected. Resolution? # service zopectl start /opt/python2.4.2/lib/python2.4/whrandom.py:38: DeprecationWarning: th