[Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-02 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeff Kowalczyk wrote: Would it be possible to have a non-system python installed (by default into /opt/python24) by the system python easy_install? I think it would be useful to have eggs that provide commands on the path such as

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-02 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 11/1/07, Peter Sabaini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always wondered -- I never had any trouble with the system Pythons, or at least not a problem that I could attribute to a system Python (Debian Stable and Ubuntu LTS) Well, try and easy_install i18ndude, and see all your Zope2 instances

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-01 Thread Martin Aspeli
Alexander Limi wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:29:36 -0700, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recommendation is still System python is evil, evil, evil (quoting Jim). Sure, but if you ever want to be able to tell users to do: easy_install plone to get their Plone site, it's a

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-01 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Baiju M wrote: Hi Limi, Alexander Limi wrote: Sorry if this has been asked hundreds of times before — I couldn't find any info on this apart from the Summer of Code project related to Zope 3. Now only the packages under `zope` `zope.app` packages works using Python 2.5 . I don't know

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-01 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Alexander Limi wrote: Will Zope 2 ever run on Python 2.5, or is that postponed indefinitely? It will run on Python 2.5 when somebody makes it run. We see an increasing amount of users trying to use Zope 2 with their systems that have Python 2.5 as default. Then I suggest you do something

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-01 Thread Peter Sabaini
On Thursday 01 November 2007 06:18:18 Andreas Jung wrote: --On 31. Oktober 2007 22:00:46 -0700 Alexander Limi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:29:36 -0700, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recommendation is still System python is evil, evil, evil (quoting Jim).

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-01 Thread Jim Fulton
On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:00 AM, Alexander Limi wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:29:36 -0700, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recommendation is still System python is evil, evil, evil (quoting Jim). Sure, but if you ever want to be able to tell users to do: easy_install plone to

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-01 Thread Martijn Faassen
Alexander Limi wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:29:36 -0700, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recommendation is still System python is evil, evil, evil (quoting Jim). Sure, but if you ever want to be able to tell users to do: easy_install plone to get their Plone site, it's a

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-01 Thread Sidnei da Silva
I would like to point out that on this thread people are getting too tied up with restrictions about *installing* stuff on the system Python and forgetting that for example, buildout will not install stuff on the system Python, but people might want to run a Zope (2) buildout on Python 2.5 just

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-01 Thread Jim Fulton
On Nov 1, 2007, at 9:50 AM, Sidnei da Silva wrote: I would like to point out that on this thread people are getting too tied up with restrictions about *installing* stuff on the system Python and forgetting that for example, buildout will not install stuff on the system Python, but people

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-01 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, [making Zope 2 work on Python 2.5] Sidnei da Silva wrote: [snip] I believe this is a critical issue and the interested parts need to work together on it. Maybe the Plone Foundation and the Zope Foundation can work together and setup a bounty to fund some developer to do this work?

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-01 Thread Stephan Richter
On Thursday 01 November 2007, Jim Fulton wrote: I think buildout should work harder to get along with system Python.   I intent to spend some effort on this.  Martijn has suggested an   option to ignore site-packages which may go a long way. Yeah, one of my clients uses workingenv to use

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-01 Thread Fred Drake
On 11/1/07, Sidnei da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we are closely approaching the EOL for Python 2.4. Supposedly when Python 2.6 comes out next year Python 2.4 will be officially discouraged and will not receive any more fixes other than security fixes. This seems to be a common

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-01 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On 11/1/07, Fred Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems to be a common misconception; I'm not sure why. Python 2.4 has *already* hit EOL. There will only be security fixes released in source form. When a new Python 2.X is released, a final 2.X-1 bugfix release is made and 2.X becomes

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-01 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephan Richter wrote: On Thursday 01 November 2007, Jim Fulton wrote: I think buildout should work harder to get along with system Python. I intent to spend some effort on this. Martijn has suggested an option to ignore site-packages which

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-01 Thread Chris McDonough
On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:28 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 31. Oktober 2007 22:00:46 -0700 Alexander Limi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:29:36 -0700, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recommendation is still System python is evil, evil, evil (quoting Jim).

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-01 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 1. November 2007 23:47:28 -0400 Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 1, 2007, at 1:28 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 31. Oktober 2007 22:00:46 -0700 Alexander Limi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:29:36 -0700, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-11-01 Thread Jeff Kowalczyk
Would it be possible to have a non-system python installed (by default into /opt/python24) by the system python easy_install? I think it would be useful to have eggs that provide commands on the path such as easy_install_nonsystem24, virtualenv_nonsystem24, python_nonsystem24. With a better

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-10-31 Thread Alexander Limi
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:29:36 -0700, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recommendation is still System python is evil, evil, evil (quoting Jim). Sure, but if you ever want to be able to tell users to do: easy_install plone to get their Plone site, it's a necessary evil evil evil. ;)

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-10-31 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 31. Oktober 2007 22:00:46 -0700 Alexander Limi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:29:36 -0700, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recommendation is still System python is evil, evil, evil (quoting Jim). Sure, but if you ever want to be able to tell users to do:

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope on Python 2.5?

2007-10-31 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 31. Oktober 2007 22:00:46 -0700 Alexander Limi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:29:36 -0700, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recommendation is still System python is evil, evil, evil (quoting Jim). Sure, but if you ever want to be able to tell users to do: