worried that we are creating too many packages. However, here
is my order of importance:
1. Minimize dependencies.
2. Minimize packages.
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On Tuesday 24 February 2009, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
We are still in early alpha here. By the time we move on to beta, 3.5
will hopefully have stabilized a bit.
What is your time frame for Zope 2.12?
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. Because it's possible that
an action execute call manipulates something which will change the
button condition which we need to recalculate within an action
update call.
Absolutely.
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will do the trick :)
I like that idea, since I agree with your argument that updating actions can
be expensive.
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started doing it this way as well. I have found the PEP8
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application.
You could also port z3c.zrtresource to Zope 2, which solves this exact
problem.
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On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Wolfgang Schnerring wrote:
I'd like to introduce this to z3c.form as well (see attached patch). Would
it be alright with you for me to commit this to trunk (to then go into the
release)?
Add a test and you can check it in. :-)
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creative that allows us to use the new
and old way, maybe through a special import statement like that:
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= zope.traversing.api.traverse(
site, '++resource++' + self.field.image,
request=self.request)()
return src
Zope 2 guys, is that a problem for you? If so, how can we make this work? Also
a 2.0 show stopper.
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too. :-)
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failures existed before I moved z3c.pt.compat to z3c.ptcompat.
Check it in; it will save Dan some time. ;-)
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On Sunday 08 February 2009, Dan Korostelev wrote:
I think, I'll try to make a review of current z3c.form's state and
write more on that.
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the community opinion
on that though.
All nice to have. :-) I would not block the release because of it.
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it is done in the professional
localization business.
So basically, option (b) with option (a) as translation memory.
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/zope.testing-3.7.1-py2.5.egg/zope/testing/testrunner/testrunner-profiling-cprofiler.txt
Total: 12937 tests, 30 failures, 10 errors in 41 minutes 1.150 seconds.
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BTW, it would be great to have that script published so any developer
could use it to set roles for new packages. Stephan? :)
zope.pypisupport
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On Monday 02 February 2009, Benji York wrote:
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Stephan Richter
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- Zope 3.4 Versions:
http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/3.4.0/versions.cfg
I had been using http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/versions.cfg, but that
has
that we all agree it is an
improvement. Updating the site is a matter of calling a script.
BTW, as I see from your E-mail address you are working for Zope Corp. and you
should be well indoctrinated in Open Source. :-)
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On Monday 02 February 2009, Dan Korostelev wrote:
2009/2/2 Stephan Richter srich...@cosmos.phy.tufts.edu:
Yeah, the unversioned links are the only ones that I did not maintain.
You now use a reference to the version directly.
BTW, why so? It's quite handy to be able to say - just use
On Monday 02 February 2009, Dan Korostelev wrote:
Hey, no offence meant! The current state is great for me, personally,
I just asked :)
I don't feel offended; I just try to explain why I did not do certain
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to get a release out first.
Is anyone here willing (with my guidance if needed) to start working on a
3.4.1 release? It should be pretty easy and I do not expect any test
breakages.
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are in a lot of pain, huh? I guess I could add a couple lines to the
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. or not?
The best would be to run all the tests of the 3.5dev KGS and see what tests
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On Saturday 31 January 2009, Stephan Richter wrote:
On Saturday 31 January 2009, Christian Theune wrote:
Darn. The moment I send the mail I realise that Stephan said he'll move
the URLs around.
I also cleared the directory for a short time earlier while upgrading to
the new KGS version. I
we can get on board.
I would be interested in testing the various KGS versions on the various
Python versions and platforms.
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://download.zope.org/zope3.4/index.html
http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/3.4.0/versions.cfg
http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/3.4.0/controlled-packages.cfg
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I am going to setup a Zope 3.5 development KGS shortly. Jim has already
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Hi everyone,
It is finally here! Thanks goes to everyone who involved!
January 29, 2009 - The Zope 3 development team announces the Zope 3.4.0
release.
After 2 years of development, the Zope Foundation and the larger Zope
community is proud to announce the release of Zope 3.4.0.
The focus of
think.
One step at the time. Take a look again.
I was about to write the same. ;-) Tres, let the guys finish their work and
then we can bitch about it. ;-)
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the dependencies liek this could be
considered a major feature. It also signalizes the users to look out for
changes like this.
I am just trying to open up the discussion on this.
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On Wednesday 28 January 2009, Sebastien Douche wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 18:57, Stephan Richter
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as you probably saw from the checkins last night, Paul and I finished all
outstanding coding tasks that were blocking a Zope 3.4 release based on a
KGS
whether symlinks would work too.
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. :-) I wanted to write the same this morning,
but then decided that the new solution is better than anything else I could
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release. I will not delay the release of Zope 3.4 waiting for this
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painful
is that for you? I am particularly interested to hear from Grok, Zope 2 and
Plone, but also from individuals using the KGS.
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of the versions.cfg from
http://download.zope.org/zope3.4/versions.cfg. So changing URL's doesn't
cause any problems for us.
I think I can speak for both the Plone and Zope2 project here.
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probably never seen an egg-based release.)
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On Monday 19 January 2009, Christian Theune wrote:
Using the 'reversal of dependency' (not sure whether this is the
accurate English term)
I think it is called dependency injection.
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are like dust and smoke. We already have enough (pointless)
namespaces. So let's stick with zope.* and z3c.* for Zope related packages.
I agree. The z3c Namespace was created as a place where *all* Zope 2
independent extensions to Zope can go.
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it a lot more painful to use zope.*
packages in other environments.
+1 from me as well.
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On Thursday 11 December 2008, Adam GROSZER wrote:
size= alt= maxlength=
for *hidden* text and textarea inputs?
I'm not an HTML guru, but does not seem to make much sense.
No, I think they are not even valid HTML.
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be easy, since only one import
would need to change.
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assumes too much about how people are using all the
dependencies involved.
Yep, I could not agree more. :-)
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of duplicating the code there should be a zope.utilityvocabulary
package that both zope.sendmail and zope.app.component can use.
+1. I was going to write a message to that effect as well. The danger of
having diverging code is larger.
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On Friday 17 October 2008, Jim Fulton wrote:
It would be nice to deprecate zope.traversing and fold it into
zope.app.pagetemplate.
Just skimming the thread, wouldn't this make it harder for us to integrate
z3c.pt, which also needs those traversal APIs?
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testrunner-coverage.txt is failing since this check in. What's up
with this?
It passes for me on Python 2.5. Can you be more specific? Are you using a
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for Python 2.5 a while ago and all I could find were:
* new missing builtins (zope.security)
* A bug in the proxy code concerning correct slicing (zope.proxy, I think)
I fixed both of these in the respective package.
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Yeah, I like that. This is the right package, since it defines high-level
patterns without any heavy implementations.
Unfortunately, ``zope.contentprovider`` relies on ``zope.tales``
because
On Wednesday 10 September 2008, Robert Marianski wrote:
And you should be able to register event handlers for the 3 channels now.
Of course that works. :-) It's just a multi-adapter lookup. ;-)
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a shortcut.
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hard headed that forking is
necessary. As far as I remember, I have not seen any serious commitment on
their side. Many of us are interested in decreasing the dependency tree, so
solutions will be found. It is just so much easier to fork.
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BTW, zope.app.form is a big exception.
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people won't want to the zope.app.* stuff anyway.
Well, I don't. :-) I only use the default browser code because I have to due
to dependencies. But with z3c.form and ZAM I have better alternatives
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of dependencies while still having the ability to use a management
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most interested in stripping dependencies should add a
feature to zc.buildout making this info usable as a first step. Once an
example has been given on how to use this new pattern, packages can be
quickly updated to use it.
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, such as z3c.form to not depend on
zope.app.form, which suck to say the least. :-)
An alternative to Roger's proposal would be to move the ITerms declaration and
any possible generic implementation of such into its own package zope.terms.
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The controversy surrounding this has been discussed on zope-dev
several times; I don't want to rehash it *right now*, since we all
have things we need to get done.
Last time we discussed it, the conclusion was that it is a necessary evil for
now.
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Good point. I am going to watch the discussion a little more. :-)
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and ICollection fields.
Widgets should not make these sort of decisions. I think this is the
responsibility of the data converter. I am pretty sure that writing more
specific data converters will solve our problem.
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On Sunday 17 August 2008, Christophe Combelles wrote:
PS: z3c.formjs and z3c.formdemo need to be fixed to work with the test
buildout of the KGS. Can someone help for this?
Yes, Paul and I are going to attack this one.
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zope.configuration? Everyone who wants to use our configuration system
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recipes which were able to use different indexes for
different eggs, if they needed eggs not in the Z2 KGS index.
So don't use the index. For our commercial stuff I use the released
versions.cfg file and then overwrite the versions as needed.
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signs up for producing TAR ball releases and announces them, I will only
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developers.
With this in place, cutting a release would become a matter of
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release or give someone else access to.
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the info object. The point of the info is to contain this sort of
information.
2. Make the component have a factory attribute. I have done this at some
places for APIDOC as well.
Option 1 seems the cleanest because it was designed d for this.
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the component argument was still required making factory a
documentation artifact. In this case I am okay.
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On Monday 21 July 2008, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
btw, shouldn't this already give a warning in 2.5?
It does. I see it.
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On Wednesday 16 July 2008, Fred Drake wrote:
I suspect this is what you mean, though we've been mostly referring to
the added event.
Right.
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is not correct; once we write a correct one, it
becomes more obvious:
p i18n:translate=There are span tal:content=view/num i18n:name=num
i18n:count=view/num10/span files./p
Alternatively we could just evaluate the tal:content or tal:replace
expression.
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and zope.lifecycleevent, both of which
are acceptable in my opinion.
Comments? Silence is consent as always.
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