Am Freitag 22 Januar 2010 22:00:57 schrieb Lennart Regebro:
Does this mailinglist accept attachements?
Let's test.
That is cool and understandable!
Best Regards,
Hermann
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On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net wrote:
We certainly
have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope ecosystem
in any other way to date, IMO.)
If this is so, then I'm surprised. It seems perfectly clear to me.
1. In the beginning there is Python,
Am Freitag 22 Januar 2010 14:46:16 schrieb Lennart Regebro:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net wrote:
We certainly
have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope
ecosystem in any other way to date, IMO.)
If this is so, then I'm surprised. It
On 2010-01-22, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net wrote:
We certainly
have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope ecosystem
in any other way to date, IMO.)
If this is so, then I'm surprised. It seems
On 2010-01-22, Hermann Himmelbauer du...@qwer.tk wrote:
Am Freitag 22 Januar 2010 14:46:16 schrieb Lennart Regebro:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net wrote:
We certainly
have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope
ecosystem in any other way
On 1/22/10 14:46 , Lennart Regebro wrote:
* BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope ideas and
experiences, but as a part of it's minimalistic nature does not
include *anything* of the ZTK, it just builds on the ZCA. But you can
use the ZTK, if you want to, you are just not required
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net wrote:
BFG uses the ZCA for some implementation details, I'm not sure if that
is the same as 'builds on the ZCA'. I don't think you can use the ZTK
with BFG - the vast majority of ZTK packages are too tied to concepts
that do
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 15:28, Hermann Himmelbauer du...@qwer.tk wrote:
What I can't find is some entry page for ZTK (at least I find
http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit).
Well isn't that enough? It's nothing you can download and test, it's a
collection of libraries of limited interest outside
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 15:38, Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net wrote:
2. Then you get ZCA a component architecture for Python. It has
nothing to do with Web whatsoever.
E.g. zope.component and one or two others?
Yup.
3. Then we have ZTK. A toolkit for building web frameworks.
This is where
On 2010-1-22 18:41, Tres Seaver wrote:
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Wichert Akkerman wrote:
On 1/22/10 14:46 , Lennart Regebro wrote:
* BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope ideas and
experiences, but as a part of it's minimalistic nature does not
include
On 22.01.10 19:42, Lennart Regebro wrote:
Yeah, the component architecture maybe could use some more advertising.
FullACK I think the ZCA is our USP.
As I said before, we will launch a new zope.de website in Germany soon
and produce a imagebroschure about Zope which will both emphasize this
Lennart Regebro wrote:
5. There is also BFG, which doesn't include/build on the ZTK (as the others
do).
Right, it's loosely coupled with the ZCA, but you can throw that out too,
if you like?
Chris has to answer that.
BFG uses some Zope software, like, say, Pylons uses software made by
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On 2010-1-22 18:41, Tres Seaver wrote:
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Wichert Akkerman wrote:
On 1/22/10 14:46 , Lennart Regebro wrote:
* BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope ideas and
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 22:09, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote:
Cool picture, but I might put ZCA at its own level (maybe by moving Zope
Toolkit to the framework level, or giving it its own level).
It's possible that the component level is pointless. I mostly wanted
the framework level
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
I also don't know of any applications running on the other frameworks,
which is why it's so empty there.
SchoolTool and Launchpad have been mentioned as Zope3 applications in
the past. Karl would be an example for BFG.
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 22:44, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
I also don't know of any applications running on the other frameworks,
which is why it's so empty there.
SchoolTool and Launchpad have been
On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 22:44, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
I also don't know of any applications running on the other frameworks,
which is why it's so
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
Is Launchpad available as an application you can install and run?
For some definition of that, yes: https://dev.launchpad.net/
Hanno
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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 08:29, Hermann Himmelbauer du...@qwer.tk wrote:
Thanks for clearing this up. What I don't understand is: Is ZCA now part of
the ZTK or not? I had the impression that ZCA is merely a set of libraries
inside the ZTK?
Merely? :) The ZCA is a set of libraries that together
Am Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010 09:29:46 schrieb Lennart Regebro:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 08:29, Hermann Himmelbauer du...@qwer.tk wrote:
Thanks for clearing this up. What I don't understand is: Is ZCA now part
of the ZTK or not? I had the impression that ZCA is merely a set of
libraries
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On 21.01.10 07:48, Baiju M wrote:
FTR, now Chris McDonough contributed new digram an updated text
to include ZCA in picture. Thanks Chris !
In our marketing in Germany we put it just like this.
We talk about component-based web-development with
Everything Tres said I agree with.
I think it's useful for descriptions of Zope-related frameworks to include BFG
and other frameworks that use a small number of Zope technologies. But I think
some distinction needs to be made between the ZTK and some Zope packages.
In particular, I'm
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote:
So it seems like a good idea to explicitly distinguish the set of packages
that
BFG uses from the ZTK by giving the bicycle repair toolkit a name and saying
that the ZTK depends on that, if only to give another target
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:13, Hermann Himmelbauer du...@qwer.tk wrote:
whereas I would not have distinguished between ZCA and ZTK in the
first place.
I guess that's because the discussion has been around the ZTK. The ZCA
has been around uncontroversially for years, so there's no news to
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 14:14, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
There is no separately-managed entity called the ZCA
Right. And it has never been strictly defined what's included in it.
Personally I'd define it as
zope.component and requirements, which apparently is zope.event and
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Chris McDonough wrote:
Everything Tres said I agree with.
I think it's useful for descriptions of Zope-related frameworks to include
BFG
and other frameworks that use a small number of Zope technologies. But I
think
some distinction needs
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Hanno Schlichting wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote:
So it seems like a good idea to explicitly distinguish the set of packages
that
BFG uses from the ZTK by giving the bicycle repair toolkit a name
On 2010-01-21, Hermann Himmelbauer du...@qwer.tk wrote:
I think such things indeed matter to some degree: It's interesting that even
people who are not that new (like Baiju or me) can't easily draw a picture of
the Zope ecosystem, for instance neither of us knew that BFG sits on ZCA and
not
Hi All,
I would like to get your opinion about this position statement,
as it involve the wider Zope ecosystem. However, we tried to be
diplomatic about other project's relationship with ZTK as we don't
want to claim anything about others:
http://wiki.zope.org/bluebream/BlueBreamName
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote:
I would like to get your opinion about this position statement,
as it involve the wider Zope ecosystem. However, we tried to be
diplomatic about other project's relationship with ZTK as we don't
want to claim anything
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote:
I would like to get your opinion about this position statement,
as it involve the wider Zope ecosystem. However, we tried to be
diplomatic
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Baiju M wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote:
I would like to get your opinion about this position statement,
as it involve the
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
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Baiju M wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote:
I
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote:
Please read the sentence once again:
BFG evolved around Zope 3, which primarily utilize certain library
packages from Zope 3 and don't make use of the Zope 3 application
server.
We don't claim anything you said here. Each
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote:
Please read the sentence once again:
BFG evolved around Zope 3, which primarily utilize certain library
packages from Zope 3 and don't make use of the Zope 3
Am Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010 06:15:58 schrieb Tres Seaver:
Baiju M wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu
wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote:
I would like to get your opinion about this position statement,
Am Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010 07:48:30 schrieb Baiju M:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.com wrote:
Please read the sentence once again:
BFG evolved around Zope 3, which primarily utilize certain
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