Am Freitag 22 Januar 2010 22:00:57 schrieb Lennart Regebro:
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> Let's test.
That is cool and understandable!
Best Regards,
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On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
> Is Launchpad available as an application you can install and run?
For some definition of that, yes: https://dev.launchpad.net/
Hanno
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On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 22:44, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
>>> I also don't know of any applications running on the other frameworks,
>>> which is why it's so empty there.
>>
>> Schoo
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 22:44, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
>> I also don't know of any applications running on the other frameworks,
>> which is why it's so empty there.
>
> SchoolTool and Launchpad have been mentioned as Zope3 applications
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
> I also don't know of any applications running on the other frameworks,
> which is why it's so empty there.
SchoolTool and Launchpad have been mentioned as Zope3 applications in
the past. Karl would be an example for BFG. Not sure if there
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 22:09, Chris McDonough wrote:
> Cool picture, but I might put ZCA at its own level (maybe by moving Zope
> Toolkit to the framework level, or giving it its own level).
It's possible that the component level is pointless. I mostly wanted
the framework level and the applicat
Cool picture, but I might put ZCA at its own level (maybe by moving Zope
Toolkit to the framework level, or giving it its own level).
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Lennart Regebro wrote:
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> Let's test.
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Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> On 2010-1-22 18:41, Tres Seaver wrote:
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>> Wichert Akkerman wrote:
>>> On 1/22/10 14:46 , Lennart Regebro wrote:
* BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope id
Lennart Regebro wrote:
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>>> 5. There is also BFG, which doesn't include/build on the ZTK (as the others
>>> do).
>> Right, it's "loosely coupled" with the ZCA, but you can throw that out too,
>> if you like?
>
> Chris has to answer that.
BFG uses some Zope software, like, say, Pylons uses soft
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
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>> Wichert Akkerman wrote:
>>> On 1/22/10 14:46 , Lennart Regebro wrote:
* BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope ideas and
experiences, but as a part of it's
On 22.01.10 19:42, Lennart Regebro wrote:
> Yeah, the component architecture maybe could use some more advertising.
FullACK I think the ZCA is our USP.
As I said before, we will launch a new zope.de website in Germany soon
and produce a imagebroschure about Zope which will both emphasize this
poi
On 2010-1-22 18:41, Tres Seaver wrote:
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> Wichert Akkerman wrote:
>> On 1/22/10 14:46 , Lennart Regebro wrote:
>>> * BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope ideas and
>>> experiences, but as a part of it's minimalistic nature does not
>>>
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 15:38, Alex Clark wrote:
>> 2. Then you get ZCA a component architecture for Python. It has
>> nothing to do with Web whatsoever.
>
> E.g. zope.component and one or two others?
Yup.
>> 3. Then we have ZTK. A toolkit for building web frameworks.
>
> This is where you lose
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 15:28, Hermann Himmelbauer wrote:
> What I can't find is some entry page for ZTK (at least I find
> http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit).
Well isn't that enough? It's nothing you can download and test, it's a
collection of libraries of limited interest outside those who use Z
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Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> On 1/22/10 14:46 , Lennart Regebro wrote:
>> * BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope ideas and
>> experiences, but as a part of it's minimalistic nature does not
>> include *anything* of the ZTK, it just builds on
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> BFG uses the ZCA for some implementation details, I'm not sure if that
> is the same as 'builds on the ZCA'. I don't think you can use the ZTK
> with BFG - the vast majority of ZTK packages are too tied to concepts
> that do not apply to B
On 1/22/10 14:46 , Lennart Regebro wrote:
> * BFG is a minimalistic web framework built on Zope ideas and
> experiences, but as a part of it's minimalistic nature does not
> include *anything* of the ZTK, it just builds on the ZCA. But you can
> use the ZTK, if you want to, you are just not require
On 2010-01-22, Hermann Himmelbauer wrote:
> Am Freitag 22 Januar 2010 14:46:16 schrieb Lennart Regebro:
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark wrote:
>> > We certainly
>> > have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope
>> > ecosystem in any other way to date, IMO.)
>>
>
On 2010-01-22, Lennart Regebro wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark wrote:
>> We certainly
>> have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope ecosystem
>> in any other way to date, IMO.)
>
> If this is so, then I'm surprised. It seems perfectly clear to me.
Ah! T
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Hermann Himmelbauer wrote:
> When it gets to ZCA, I can't find anything, except for Baiju's book and maybe
> somewhere some document about the Zope Component Architecture. If we
> introduce the word ZCA, I would recommend to put up a simple page on
> e.g. "zca.zope
Am Freitag 22 Januar 2010 14:46:16 schrieb Lennart Regebro:
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark wrote:
> > We certainly
> > have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope
> > ecosystem in any other way to date, IMO.)
>
> If this is so, then I'm surprised. It seems perfe
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 04:55, Alex Clark wrote:
> We certainly
> have not reached the goal of helping newcomers understand the Zope ecosystem
> in any other way to date, IMO.)
If this is so, then I'm surprised. It seems perfectly clear to me.
1. In the beginning there is Python, the language.
On 2010-01-21, Hermann Himmelbauer wrote:
> I think such things indeed matter to some degree: It's interesting that even
> people who are not that new (like Baiju or me) can't easily draw a picture of
> the Zope ecosystem, for instance neither of us knew that BFG sits on ZCA and
> not on ZTK, w
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Hanno Schlichting wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Chris McDonough wrote:
>> So it seems like a good idea to explicitly distinguish the set of packages
>> that
>> BFG uses from "the ZTK" by giving the bicycle repair toolkit a name and
>> sa
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Chris McDonough wrote:
> Everything Tres said I agree with.
>
> I think it's useful for descriptions of Zope-related frameworks to include
> BFG
> and other frameworks that use a small number of Zope technologies. But I
> think
> some distinction
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 14:14, Tres Seaver wrote:
> There is no separately-managed entity called the "ZCA"
Right. And it has never been strictly defined what's included in it.
Personally I'd define it as
zope.component and requirements, which apparently is zope.event and
zope.interface, today.
(I
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:13, Hermann Himmelbauer wrote:
> whereas I would not have distinguished between ZCA and ZTK in the
> first place.
I guess that's because the discussion has been around the ZTK. The ZCA
has been around uncontroversially for years, so there's no news to
discuss. :)
> So
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Chris McDonough wrote:
> So it seems like a good idea to explicitly distinguish the set of packages
> that
> BFG uses from "the ZTK" by giving the bicycle repair toolkit a name and saying
> that the ZTK depends on that, if only to give another "target point" in a
Everything Tres said I agree with.
I think it's useful for descriptions of Zope-related frameworks to include BFG
and other frameworks that use a small number of Zope technologies. But I think
some distinction needs to be made between "the ZTK" and "some Zope packages".
In particular, I'm unco
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Hermann Himmelbauer wrote:
> Thanks for clearing this up. What I don't understand is: Is ZCA now part of
> the ZTK or not? I had the impression that ZCA is merely a set of libraries
> inside the ZTK? Who maintains ZCA? Is this the ZTK steering group
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On 21.01.10 07:48, Baiju M wrote:
> FTR, now Chris McDonough contributed new digram an updated text
> to include ZCA in picture. Thanks Chris !
In our marketing in Germany we put it just like this.
We talk about component-based web-development with
Am Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010 09:29:46 schrieb Lennart Regebro:
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 08:29, Hermann Himmelbauer wrote:
> > Thanks for clearing this up. What I don't understand is: Is ZCA now part
> > of the ZTK or not? I had the impression that ZCA is merely a set of
> > libraries inside the Z
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 08:29, Hermann Himmelbauer wrote:
> Thanks for clearing this up. What I don't understand is: Is ZCA now part of
> the ZTK or not? I had the impression that ZCA is merely a set of libraries
> inside the ZTK?
"Merely"? :) The ZCA is a set of libraries that together make a
co
Am Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010 07:48:30 schrieb Baiju M:
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Baiju M wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Baiju M wrote:
> >> Please read the sentence once again:
> >>
> >> "BFG evolved around Zope 3, which primarily utilize certain library
> >> packages from
Am Donnerstag 21 Januar 2010 06:15:58 schrieb Tres Seaver:
> Baiju M wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Hanno Schlichting
wrote:
> >> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Baiju M wrote:
> >>> I would like to get your opinion about this position statement,
>
> Channeling Chris here:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Baiju M wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Baiju M wrote:
>> Please read the sentence once again:
>>
>> "BFG evolved around Zope 3, which primarily utilize certain library
>> packages from Zope 3 and don't make use of the Zope 3 application
>> server."
>>
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Baiju M wrote:
> Please read the sentence once again:
>
> "BFG evolved around Zope 3, which primarily utilize certain library
> packages from Zope 3 and don't make use of the Zope 3 application
> server."
>
> We don't claim anything you said here. Each words are
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Tres Seaver wrote:
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> Baiju M wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Baiju M wrote:
I would like to get your opinion about this posi
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Baiju M wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Baiju M wrote:
>>> I would like to get your opinion about this position statement,
>>> as it involve the wider Zope ecosystem. How
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Baiju M wrote:
>> I would like to get your opinion about this position statement,
>> as it involve the wider Zope ecosystem. However, we tried to be
>> diplomatic about other project's relationsh
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Baiju M wrote:
> I would like to get your opinion about this position statement,
> as it involve the wider Zope ecosystem. However, we tried to be
> diplomatic about other project's relationship with ZTK as we don't
> want to claim anything about others:
>
Hi All,
I would like to get your opinion about this position statement,
as it involve the wider Zope ecosystem. However, we tried to be
diplomatic about other project's relationship with ZTK as we don't
want to claim anything about others:
http://wiki.zope.org/bluebream/BlueBreamName
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