Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: [SpringCleaning07]

2007-01-02 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 20 December 2006 16:03, Jeff Shell wrote: Another side topic: even after cleaning out all deprecation warnings in our code to make it run under Zope 3.3, I still get deprecation messages bubbling up from the ZODB, claiming to come from ZODB's broken.py. It dawned on me just

Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: [SpringCleaning07]

2007-01-02 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 20 December 2006 16:03, Jeff Shell wrote: zope.app.file -1, I use it all the time in combination with zope.app.image to have quick file support. This is acceptable, if you do not plan to store thousands of large documents. BTW, I would welcome a conversion to use blobs.

Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: [SpringCleaning07]

2007-01-02 Thread Stephan Richter
On Wednesday 20 December 2006 16:03, Jeff Shell wrote: On the other end of the spectrum is Django, whose admin screens are actually usable by other humans and very very easy to customize. How easy is it in Zope 3 to customize a folder contents view so that it shows different columns, allows

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-21 Thread Chris Withers
Martijn Faassen wrote: Myghthy) spending time optimizing it, etc. It's close enough to ZPT to be palatable to me, and has some nice features for reuse. I've really grown to hate attribute-based languages over the years. Macros in ZPT now make me cry. If we're going to get out of the server

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-21 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Jeff Shell wrote: If TAL / Page Templates isn't really made available to anyone else, how could it get momentum? 'zope.tal', 'zope.tales' and 'zope.pagetemplate' could probably be combined into a nice world-usable egg. With the right extras and entry points, they could be used with

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Jim Washington
Martijn Faassen wrote: http://genshi.edgewall.org Inspired by Kid (in turn among others inspired by ZPT), the main template language of TurboGears, written by the people who also created Trac, and it seems to be getting traction. TurboGears among others is going to adopt it, but also things

RE: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Martijn I saw the Grok package but what is Genshi? Can you point me to a link? http://genshi.edgewall.org Inspired by Kid (in turn among others inspired by ZPT), the main template language of TurboGears, written by the people who also created Trac, and it seems to be getting

RE: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Jim, It's premature to announce (we plan to have eggs on pypi soon) , but take a look at zif.xtemplate at zif.sourceforge.net . It's pretty alpha at the moment, but it uses a DTD and some xpath to get around the tags that shouldn't be minimized issue, and it includes a first stab

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Jim Washington
Roger Ineichen wrote: Hi Jim, It's premature to announce (we plan to have eggs on pypi soon) , but take a look at zif.xtemplate at zif.sourceforge.net . It's pretty alpha at the moment, but it uses a DTD and some xpath to get around the tags that shouldn't be minimized issue, and it

RE: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Jim, Subject: Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07] What's up with jsonserver? [...] Hi, Roger [...] For the moment, the Zif Collective is all alpha and experimental on SourceForge. Nothing released. Nothing to be alarmed about. Nothing decided about other repositories

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On 12/20/06, Tres Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm actually -1 on getting out of the server business as well, at least in terms of the Zope2 ZServer: I don't see it as requiring much maintenance, and there *are* folks in the community (I can think of five or six, at least) who know Medusa /

Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Jeff Shell
On 12/19/06, Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 19 December 2006 06:16, Roger Ineichen wrote: Here is a list of candidates for removal (please verify!): I'm only commenting on the ones that I use, think have some use, or just have questions about. zope.fssync +1 0

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Jeff Shell
On 12/20/06, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rocky Burt wrote: On Wed, 2006-20-12 at 12:52 +0100, Martijn Faassen wrote: http://genshi.edgewall.org Inspired by Kid (in turn among others inspired by ZPT), the main template language of TurboGears, written by the people who also

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-20 Thread Fred Drake
On 12/20/06, Jeff Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If TAL / Page Templates isn't really made available to anyone else, how could it get momentum? 'zope.tal', 'zope.tales' and 'zope.pagetemplate' could probably be combined into a nice world-usable egg. zope.pagetemplate is used in JOTWeb:

Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-19 Thread Baiju M
On 12/19/06, Roger Ineichen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Baiju Subject: [SpringCleaning07] Here is a list of candidates for removal (please verify!): zope.dependencytool zope.fssync zope.importtool zope.modulealias zope.sequencesort zope.wfmc zope.xmlpickle zope.app.dtmlpage

Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-19 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Roger Ineichen wrote: What does removal mean? We have two possible situations for a package that I'd like to consider during spring cleaning: 1. packages that are in the src/ tree but are not distributed with Zope releases The question is whether those packages are maintained and

RE: [Zope3-dev] RE: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-19 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Christian, Baiju Subject: Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: [SpringCleaning07] Hi, Roger Ineichen wrote: What does removal mean? We have two possible situations for a package that I'd like to consider during spring cleaning: 1. packages that are in the src/ tree but are not distributed

Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-19 Thread Stephan Richter
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 06:16, Roger Ineichen wrote: Here is a list of candidates for removal (please verify!): zope.dependencytool -1, it is used by people to find dependencies in their packages. It is not referenced anywhere in the code, because it is a standalone utility.

RE: [Zope3-dev] RE: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-19 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Subject: Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: [SpringCleaning07] - zope.app.demo This is a really tricky one. The point of the package is to collect demonstration code and the point of it living in zope.app is that it will always work. But does it belong here? I do not know. What do others

Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-19 Thread Benji York
Stephan Richter wrote: - zope.app.renderer You can safely remove it from the base tree. It was not such a big success as I was hoping for. Other approaches are easier. Note that wiki and bugtracker still use this code, so it should be still available for those packages. I believe apidoc

Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-19 Thread Stephan Richter
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 09:29, Benji York wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: - zope.app.renderer You can safely remove it from the base tree. It was not such a big success as I was hoping for. Other approaches are easier. Note that wiki and bugtracker still use this code, so it should be

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-19 Thread Stephan Richter
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 10:01, Martijn Faassen wrote: - zope.app.undo Is anyone using this? I am certainly not. I think it can be removed. Phllip, you put a lot of work into it, what do you think? However, I think the code has a place in the repository, though there it runs in

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-19 Thread Stephan Richter
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 10:01, Martijn Faassen wrote: What the ZMI is for needs a rethink; as part of the Grok project we hope to replace it with an admin UI, not a development UI. Yes, Roger and I are doing this too in a couple of our custom projects. But our admin UIs are often focused

RE: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-19 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Martijn Subject: [Zope3-dev] Re: [SpringCleaning07] By the way, I'm quite interested in seeing whether we can integrate Genshi into Zope 3 and Grok as a templating language. It has some interesting ways to do things, and there's quite a bit of momentum behind it. I saw the Grok

Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: [SpringCleaning07]

2006-12-19 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Adam Groszer wrote: Hello Stephan, Tuesday, December 19, 2006, 2:53:33 PM, you wrote: zope.wfmc SR +1, but please make it very easily available. People do use this code in SR production; Zope Corp. and Adam Groszer come to mind. Yes, here :-) If it would be moved out of the