Re: [Zope3-dev] [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Maik Röder
Hi, - to unify the whole Zope/CMS-involved community to drastically reduce waste of resources (doing twice or more equivalent components / features). How do you plan to keep the project apart from the interests of Nuxeo? All the community has been waiting for a Zope3 based ECM far too long.

Re: [Zope3-dev] [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 5/17/05, Maik Röder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > > - to unify the whole Zope/CMS-involved community to drastically reduce > >waste of resources (doing twice or more equivalent components / > >features). > > How do you plan to keep the project apart from the interests of Nuxeo?

Re: [Zope3-dev] [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Maik Röder
Hi Lennart, (I'm sending a copy of this mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _nuxeo_ .com. I'd prefer discussing this on [EMAIL PROTECTED] though.) - to unify the whole Zope/CMS-involved community to drastically reduce waste of resources (doing twice or more equivalent components / features). How do you

Re: [Zope3-dev] [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Martijn Faassen
Maik Röder wrote: [snip] This project is in the interest of Nuxeo, and the success of it is important for our future. There is no way we can keep that separate. What you probably mean is to ask how we can make sure that Nuxeo does not stop OTHER peoples interests from being vested in the project. A

[Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Paul Everitt
Maik Röder wrote: Hi, - to unify the whole Zope/CMS-involved community to drastically reduce waste of resources (doing twice or more equivalent components / features). How do you plan to keep the project apart from the interests of Nuxeo? Although Julien's intro said Paris and on behalf of

Re: [Zope3-dev] [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 5/17/05, Maik Röder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do you plan to make sure that people don't get the impression that > this is a Nuxeo project? There is no way we can make sure that people don't misunderstand this. We can only try to avoid it. > How do you make sure that people don't get th

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
Paul Everitt wrote: > Maik Röder wrote: > >> Hi, >> >>> - to unify the whole Zope/CMS-involved community to drastically reduce >>>waste of resources (doing twice or more equivalent components / >>>features). >> >> >> >> How do you plan to keep the project apart from the interests of Nuxeo

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Maik Röder
Hi, Here we are supposed to have the notion of cooperation diluted in some sort of undefined abstract notion of cooperation between anonymous participants that have to leave their badge at the entrance. When I say neutral, I mean "not dominated by the interests of one company". I could rephrase my

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Dario Lopez-Kästen
Can someone please explain tome the rationale concerning the near-anymosity and suspicion this endeavour arises? Is it all about NotInventedHere(tm) or are there deeper issues behind this? Perhaps economical reasons? I must say that I am very surprised by the amount of time and energy spent on

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
Maik Röder wrote: > Hi, > >> Here we are supposed to have the notion of cooperation diluted in some >> sort of undefined abstract notion of cooperation between anonymous >> participants that have to leave their badge at the entrance. > > Hi! > When I say neutral, I mean "not dominated by the int

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: Maik Röder wrote: Before endorsing the project I just need to be sure that there is a healthy community. catch-22 :-) to have a healthy community you need a project that is not just vapourware and more than just people with good intentions who'll wait until others do s

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Maik Röder
Ho Jean-Marc, When I say neutral, I mean "not dominated by the interests of one company". This won't happen if different partners are willing to commit and have their logo displayed --- not as an advertisement, but as an endorsement.. Everyone does that in the Java world, why should it be differen

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Stephan Richter
On Tuesday 17 May 2005 08:43, Martijn Faassen wrote: > Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > > Maik Röder wrote: > >>Before endorsing the project I just need to be sure that there is > >>a healthy community. > > > > catch-22 :-)  to have a healthy community you need a project that is not > > just vapourware

Re: [Z3lab] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Stefane Fermigier
(Resent to zope3-dev because I was not subscribed). Maik Röder wrote: Hi, Here we are supposed to have the notion of cooperation diluted in some sort of undefined abstract notion of cooperation between anonymous participants that have to leave their badge at the entrance. When I say neutral, I mea

[Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Max M
Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: I must say that I am very surprised by the amount of time and energy spent on discussing this... Come on ... a few emails trying to get clarification about the nature of the beast is hardly a large amount. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Sci

Re: [Z3lab] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Florent Guillaume
On 17 May 2005, at 14:54, Stephan Richter wrote: Oh, I almost forgot. Even though I have said this many times before, please have a look at Tiks. It is a Zope 3 based CMS that is already in production. It might not be what you want, but I am pretty sure it has solved some tricky problems alre

Re: [Z3lab] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Stefane Fermigier
Stefane Fermigier wrote: The project is already in the hands of a community - we have already commitments from Nuxeo, Infrae, Chalmers University. Sorry, I forgot to mention that the project owes a lot to the work of Paul Everitt, working on behalf of both the Zope Europe Association and the Plo

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Dario Lopez-Kästen
Max M wrote: Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: I must say that I am very surprised by the amount of time and energy spent on discussing this... Come on ... a few emails trying to get clarification about the nature of the beast is hardly a large amount. The discussion has been going on a lot longer on z

Re: [Z3lab] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Stephan Richter
On Tuesday 17 May 2005 09:29, Florent Guillaume wrote: > On 17 May 2005, at 14:54, Stephan Richter wrote: > > Oh, I almost forgot. Even though I have said this many times   > > before, please > > have a look at Tiks. It is a Zope 3 based CMS that is already in   > > production. > > It might not be

Re: [Z3lab] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Stefane Fermigier
Stefane Fermigier wrote: The project is already in the hands of a community - we have already commitments from Nuxeo, Infrae, Chalmers University. Sorry, I forgot to mention that the project owes a lot to the work of Paul Everitt, working on behalf of both the Zope Europe Association and the Plone

[Zope3-dev] [Zope3 / ECM] : send your logo.

2005-05-17 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
Hi! the front page is going to be updated with the logos of companies / universities / associations ... that are taking part in the project. please send a logo and a link (url)! the recommended size is approx 160x80 px: regards /JM ___ Zope3-dev m

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Martijn Faassen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Tuesday 17 May 2005 08:43, Martijn Faassen wrote: [snip] It's indeed a chicken and egg situation; healthy communities give people enough trust to do a commitment and commitment from people and organizations tends to build healthy communities. I think the easiest way to ear

[Zope3-dev] Z3ECM architecture and concept map

2005-05-17 Thread Stefane Fermigier
Stephan Richter wrote: On Tuesday 17 May 2005 08:43, Martijn Faassen wrote: Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: Maik Röder wrote: Before endorsing the project I just need to be sure that there is a healthy community. catch-22 :-) to have a healthy community you need a project that is not just vapourware an

Re: [Z3lab] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3 / ECM] : Project launched !

2005-05-17 Thread Martijn Faassen
Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: Can someone please explain tome the rationale concerning the near-anymosity and suspicion this endeavour arises? Is it all about NotInventedHere(tm) or are there deeper issues behind this? Perhaps economical reasons? I must say that I am very surprised by the amount of

[Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-checkins] SVN: Zope3/trunk/src/zope/app/broken/broken.pt Fixed a typo.

2005-05-17 Thread Benji York
Gintautas Miliauskas wrote: Log message for revision 30377: Fixed a typo. -This probably because the class' module, +This probably because the class module, I don't think the apostrophe was misplaced, but there should probably be an "is" in there. How about this: This is probably because

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-checkins] SVN: Zope3/trunk/src/zope/app/broken/broken.pt Fixed a typo.

2005-05-17 Thread Martijn Faassen
Benji York wrote: Gintautas Miliauskas wrote: Log message for revision 30377: Fixed a typo. -This probably because the class' module, +This probably because the class module, I don't think the apostrophe was misplaced, but there should probably be an "is" in there. How about this: This

[Zope3-dev] RE: [Zope3-Users] LDAP support -- current status?

2005-05-17 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Florent > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Florent Guillaume > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 12:29 AM > To: Dylan Reinhardt > Cc: zope3-users@zope.org > Subject: Re: [Zope3-Users] LDAP support -- current status? > > I haven't work

Re: [Zope3-dev] LDAP support -- current status?

2005-05-17 Thread Markus Leist
Hello, can I help? I've to integrate Zope3 in an existent ldap-environment here - and, in my opinion, ldap is a "main-feature" (e.g. in Identity Management). That's worth thinking about, or? Markus On Wednesday 18 May 2005 00:41 Roger Ineichen wrote: > Hi Florent > > > -Original Message--