Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
Hi Beno, beno wrote: > Well, all I know is that Pound has a strong following of Zopistas that > use it in combination with Zope (and without Apache) for high volume > production work and seem to be happy. Odd, then, that you have not had much input on the list about that. I can't provide numbers, but the people I speak to/work with all use Apache or Enfold. >> My domain is "xfr.co.uk", and I have a mail host called "smtp" (because >> that is what it serves). So, the token "yourMailHost" refers to the mail >> host name and the "yourDomain" refers to the domain name, so to send me >> mail, you make an SMTP connection to "smtp.xfr.co.uk". >> > Ah! So *that's* what it meant! Thank you! > I'm glad I was able to help. Since I have, can I ask you to consider the flak you have had on the list and learn from it, please? Specifically: - - The "shouting" (all caps, multiple exclamation marks) is likely to discourage people from helping you. - Stephan's comments about different cultures is something you need to take on board. I appreciate that your frustration combined with a certain Germanic bluntness was a fatal combination, but these guys were trying to help you and you roundly abused them. I've hard a hard time learning to fly Zope - I've been using it for over five years, but I learn more every day, and initially the learning curve was very steep and I spent a lot of time as frustrated as you have been. This list and it's relatives (DB, ZPT) got me through that, and I like to try to help where I can in return - so I like to see the list dynamics /work/. -- Regards, PhilK "Human language continually changes, innit." - Stephen Juan ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
beno wrote: Well, all I know is that Pound has a strong following of Zopistas that use it in combination with Zope (and without Apache) for high volume production work and seem to be happy. "strong" by who's definition? The odd numpty who asserts random statements that happen to fit themselves without any factual basis whatsoever? http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition/VirtualHosting.stx Pound is also supported :) er, yeah... or something... warning: product requires intellect to operate That is because Zope is an application server, not a web server. Whatever, but if I don't need cgi scripts, what do I care? You mistake is thinking that anyone here actually cares what you care... that is what it serves). So, the token "yourMailHost" refers to the mail host name and the "yourDomain" refers to the domain name, so to send me mail, you make an SMTP connection to "smtp.xfr.co.uk". Ah! So *that's* what it meant! Thank you! retard... (the last definition on http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=retard) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
Philip Kilner wrote: Hi, beno wrote: Apache duplicates 95% of what Zope's server does, so if you're only using Zope, then it's un-elegant to use Apache. Not so - Apache is a mature production web server, Zope is an application server that serves over HTTP, but it's HTTP server is *not* designed for production use. Well, all I know is that Pound has a strong following of Zopistas that use it in combination with Zope (and without Apache) for high volume production work and seem to be happy. the rewrite rules you have to throw at Apache are awkward You may think so, but they are the supported, documented solution: - http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition/VirtualHosting.stx Pound is also supported :) Zope can't handle cgi scirpts That is because Zope is an application server, not a web server. Whatever, but if I don't need cgi scripts, what do I care? I find the tokens "yourMailHost" and "yourDomain" terribly unclear. I simply don't understand that. It's off topic, but here goes: - My domain is "xfr.co.uk", and I have a mail host called "smtp" (because that is what it serves). So, the token "yourMailHost" refers to the mail host name and the "yourDomain" refers to the domain name, so to send me mail, you make an SMTP connection to "smtp.xfr.co.uk". Ah! So *that's* what it meant! Thank you! beno ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
David H wrote: hang in there beno. Would it be too rude to add "preferably by the neck"? ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
Philip Kilner wrote: Hi, beno wrote: Apache duplicates 95% of what Zope's server does, so if you're only using Zope, then it's un-elegant to use Apache. Not so - Apache is a mature production web server, Zope is an application server that serves over HTTP, but it's HTTP server is *not* designed for production use. the rewrite rules you have to throw at Apache are awkward You may think so, but they are the supported, documented solution: - http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition/VirtualHosting.stx Zope can't handle cgi scirpts That is because Zope is an application server, not a web server. I find the tokens "yourMailHost" and "yourDomain" terribly unclear. I simply don't understand that. It's off topic, but here goes: - My domain is "xfr.co.uk", and I have a mail host called "smtp" (because that is what it serves). So, the token "yourMailHost" refers to the mail host name and the "yourDomain" refers to the domain name, so to send me mail, you make an SMTP connection to "smtp.xfr.co.uk". What's the problem? hang in there beno. You've been baptised. david ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
Jonathan wrote: P.S. Quite a propos in this particular instance. Especially the 2nd definition... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
- Original Message - From: "Chris Withers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question Philip Kilner wrote: Chris Withers wrote: numpty. That is /such/ a great word! My thanks to Tim Penhey for re-introducing me to it :-) *grinz* P.S. Quite a propos in this particular instance. Jonathan ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
Hi Chris, Chris Withers wrote: >>> numpty. >> >> That is /such/ a great word! > > My thanks to Tim Penhey for re-introducing me to it :-) > First said to me by a distressed Scots techie - "Is that guy a numpty, or what?", and I hear it in my head in a Scots accent to this day. UrbanDictionary.com has great examples, and tells us that it is indeed Scots... -- Regards, PhilK "Human language continually changes, innit." - Stephen Juan ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
- Original Message - From: "Philip Kilner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Chris Withers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question Hi Chris, Chris Withers wrote: numpty. That is /such/ a great word! http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty Jonathan ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
Philip Kilner wrote: Chris Withers wrote: numpty. That is /such/ a great word! My thanks to Tim Penhey for re-introducing me to it :-) *grinz* Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
Hi Chris, Chris Withers wrote: > numpty. > That is /such/ a great word! -- Regards, PhilK "Human language continually changes, innit." - Stephen Juan ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
beno wrote: Chris Withers wrote: beno wrote: As far as Andreas' comment of switching to Mailman, dunno why, but Mailman requires cgi scripts, and I use Pound as reverse proxy directly to Zope, Why don't you use Apache, like every other sane individual out there? Actually, there are a *lot* of people who *don't* use Apache! What? There are more of you? As I said before: "dear god no!" Here's why: Apache duplicates 95% of what Zope's server does, You really have absolutely no clue do you? so if you're only using Zope, then it's un-elegant to use Apache. ...much like your english. The word you're looking for in inelegant: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=inelegant Not a good, clean solution at all! Say it again sam, it's still bollocks... Besides, the rewrite rules you have to throw at Apache are awkward, ?! (I'm speachless, and that doesn't happen often...) and that's the reason why! However, Zope can't handle cgi scirpts, ...or even cgi scripts, no matter how much clueless eejets like yourself keep trying to ram than pesky square peg into the funny round shaped hole. and Mailman uses cgi scripts. A P A C H E That's one reason I don't want Mailman. numpty. Furthermore, MailBoxer could be more easily integrated into Plone, Hahaha... you said the P word... Will *you* answer my question? In a word: no. Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
Hi, beno wrote: > Apache duplicates 95% of what Zope's server does, so if you're only > using Zope, then it's un-elegant to use Apache. Not so - Apache is a mature production web server, Zope is an application server that serves over HTTP, but it's HTTP server is *not* designed for production use. > the rewrite rules you have to throw at Apache are awkward You may think so, but they are the supported, documented solution: - http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition/VirtualHosting.stx > Zope can't handle cgi > scirpts That is because Zope is an application server, not a web server. > I find the tokens "yourMailHost" > and "yourDomain" terribly unclear. > I simply don't understand that. It's off topic, but here goes: - My domain is "xfr.co.uk", and I have a mail host called "smtp" (because that is what it serves). So, the token "yourMailHost" refers to the mail host name and the "yourDomain" refers to the domain name, so to send me mail, you make an SMTP connection to "smtp.xfr.co.uk". What's the problem? -- Regards, PhilK "Human language continually changes, innit." - Stephen Juan ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
Chris Withers wrote: beno wrote: As far as Andreas' comment of switching to Mailman, dunno why, but Mailman requires cgi scripts, and I use Pound as reverse proxy directly to Zope, Why don't you use Apache, like every other sane individual out there? Actually, there are a *lot* of people who *don't* use Apache! Here's why: Apache duplicates 95% of what Zope's server does, so if you're only using Zope, then it's un-elegant to use Apache. Not a good, clean solution at all! Besides, the rewrite rules you have to throw at Apache are awkward, and that's the reason why! However, Zope can't handle cgi scirpts, and Mailman uses cgi scripts. That's one reason I don't want Mailman. Furthermore, MailBoxer could be more easily integrated into Plone, because it's integrated into Zope, therefore sharing password information, etc., would be easier, and that makes MailBoxer a more logical choice. I always prefer Zope products over non-Zope products for integration purposes. Now... Will *you* answer my question? On this page (of a Zope product): http://iungo.org/products/MailBoxer/ there is the instruction to send an email to this address: |[EMAIL PROTECTED] What exactly does that mean? Can someone give me an example? The list is called "rejoice", the Web site in question is called "rejoice.2012.vi" and I tried this address: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". It didn't work. So I tried this address: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". On that one, I didn't get a bounce but I didn't show up in the Properties::maillist, either, nor did I receive a welcome message :( Frankly, I find the tokens "yourMailHost" and "yourDomain" terribly unclear. TIA, beno ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
beno wrote: Hi; The creator of this Product hasn't returned my email, so I am asking the list for help. I have done the following: Why don't you just use mailman? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
beno wrote: As far as Andreas' comment of switching to Mailman, dunno why, but Mailman requires cgi scripts, and I use Pound as reverse proxy directly to Zope, Why don't you use Apache, like every other sane individual out there? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
Joerg Baach wrote: "For example: To subscribe to the list send a mail with the subject (not the body) subscribe (without quotes!) to [EMAIL PROTECTED]" Yes, I did read that. I must misunderstand it. This is what I think it means, and I'm wrong, because my email client won't let me send it: [EMAIL PROTECTED]://202.71.106.119:7080/MailHost/manage_main.rejoice.2012.vi Can you provide me with a correct example of it? I did read the instructions. What they lack is examples for those of us less technically inclined than the author :) As far as Andreas' comment of switching to Mailman, dunno why, but Mailman requires cgi scripts, and I use Pound as reverse proxy directly to Zope, so I don't even know how to run cgi scripts, since Zope doesn't support them. That's why I googled up MailBoxer, and it looks like a good product. TIA, beno ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
--On 22. August 2006 12:35:40 -0400 beno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: You might try it out yourself (before asking) by opening your mail client and sending an email with the subject "subscribe" to your new list address. That did not work. It came to the mailbox directly. Here is my line from /etc/aliases: rejoice:"| smtp2zope.py http://202.71.106.119:7080/rejoice.2012.vi/rejoice/manage_mailboxer where "rejoice" is the name of the list and the name of the mailboxer Nothing against Maik's famous Mailboxer...perhaps Mailman might be the better choice. -aj pgpUF1gPDEILC.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
Hi beno, >> Subscribing / unsubscribing via email is explained on: >> >> http://iungo.org/products/MailBoxer/ >> > email with a specified email-subject (not body!!!) to the same address > where the postings will go." What is the "signature"? How do I edit that? > TIA, In the above mentioned page: "For example: To subscribe to the list send a mail with the subject (not the body) subscribe (without quotes!) to [EMAIL PROTECTED]" Reading the page helps a lot, and tiny bit of poking around in the ZMI should get your started. Cheers, Joerg ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
Andreas Jung wrote: You might try it out yourself (before asking) by opening your mail client and sending an email with the subject "subscribe" to your new list address. That did not work. It came to the mailbox directly. Here is my line from /etc/aliases: rejoice:"| smtp2zope.py http://202.71.106.119:7080/rejoice.2012.vi/rejoice/manage_mailboxer where "rejoice" is the name of the list and the name of the mailboxer instance within folder "rejoice.2012.vi". TIA, beno ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
--On 22. August 2006 12:15:09 -0400 beno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Joerg Baach wrote: Well, one thing I noticed I did wrong off the bat was in /etc/aliases I had a line .../manage_main where it should have been ../manage_mailboxer. That's changed. However, that page you reference says: "People can subscribe/unsubscribe your list by sending an 'signed' email with a specified email-subject (not body!!!) to the same address where the postings will go." You might try it out yourself (before asking) by opening your mail client and sending an email with the subject "subscribe" to your new list address. -aj pgpuaWMlNAeRt.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
Joerg Baach wrote: I can't tell about the qmail side of things, as I am pulling the email from a pop3 box. But on the administration side: have a look at the properties panel of the Mail Boxer in the ZMI. I think I've got a handle on that... The variable 'maillist' contains the subscribed emails. Subscribing / unsubscribing via email is explained on: http://iungo.org/products/MailBoxer/ Well, one thing I noticed I did wrong off the bat was in /etc/aliases I had a line .../manage_main where it should have been ../manage_mailboxer. That's changed. However, that page you reference says: "People can subscribe/unsubscribe your list by sending an 'signed' email with a specified email-subject (not body!!!) to the same address where the postings will go." What is the "signature"? How do I edit that? TIA, beno ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] MailBoxer Question
Hi beno, > Now...how does it work?? Surfing to the index page shows an empty > archive! How does one subscribe to and email and administer the list? I can't tell about the qmail side of things, as I am pulling the email from a pop3 box. But on the administration side: have a look at the properties panel of the Mail Boxer in the ZMI. The variable 'maillist' contains the subscribed emails. Subscribing / unsubscribing via email is explained on: http://iungo.org/products/MailBoxer/ Cheers, Joerg ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] MailBoxer Question
Hi; The creator of this Product hasn't returned my email, so I am asking the list for help. I have done the following: * OS is FreeBSD 6.1, Zope is 2.7.8 * Installed with MaildropHost (also have SecureMailHost). Followed all instructions in MaildropHost. * Installed smtp2zope.py in /var/qmail/bin (I use qmail, so I presume this is correct??). * Added a new alias in /etc/aliases as per instructions. * I have an already existing MailHost (although this appears to not be an issue, because of MaildropHost). * Successfully created and populated a MailBoxer folder. Now...how does it work?? Surfing to the index page shows an empty archive! How does one subscribe to and email and administer the list? TIA, beno ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
