Bill,

The title of that table is "Table 8.3.2.5(a)  Temperature Ratings of
Sprinklers Based on Distance from Heat Sources".  I see no logical way
to interpret that as exposed diffusers on exposed ductwork in fake-tech
restaurants with snotty waitresses, overpriced drinks, and mass-produced
food.  

I interpret diffusers as diffusers.  

Paul J. Pinigis, P.E.
Chief Life Safety Engineer

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IMHO the whole reference in Table 8.3.2.5.a, 1c is to the cylindrical
exposed diffuser seen in exposed ceiling situations like warehouses,
fancy
"fake-tech" restaurants, boutiques, etc. IMHO the reference does not
apply
to Light Hazard flat lay in acoustical tile ceiling HVAC diffusers which
are
usually 2' Sq. and 2'-6" above the diffuser would be in the unsprinkled
plenum above the sprinkler. Right? Just nod yer head, nod, nod.

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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 3:13 PM
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Subject: RE: Curious

I always looked at it from the distance from the duct.  Duct diameter in
the
center of the tile.  Then apply the distance dimension. 


Jamie Seidl
Affordable Fire Protection, Inc.
Project Manager
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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 3:03 PM
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Subject: RE: Curious

It is not clear to me that the reference to a diffuser there is to a
lay-in
type in a light hazard flat tile ceiling. But even if it is, the
definition
makes no sense: DOWNWARD DISCHARGE: "Cylinder with 1'-0" or less radius
from
edge extending 1'-0" below and 2'-6" above"; "edge" of what?, "2'-6"
above",
above what?
Hep me out here folks, I know it's Friday, but still.

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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 2:46 PM
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Subject: Re: Curious

Bill,
I would start with Table 8.3.2.5(a) and go from there.
Item 1(c) is for a diffuser.
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Bill Minkel wrote:
> We have an AHJ saying our center-of-tile recessed 155F sprinkler is 
> too close to the HVAC supply diffuser in an A.T.C. (less than 2') I am

> curious as to what section or paragraph in NFPA-13, 2002 references 
> this requirement? I can't find it, maybe one of y'all can hep me?
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