No it ISN'T outside "the" building. It's attached and by definition it's a building and it doesn’t matter if it's open or not. If a fire starts under this structure it could spread to the building it's attached to easily - or are you 100% certain that a Boys and Girls Club is going to keep all communicating doors closed all the time and facing windows closed? You're fixating on Chapter 8 of the standard but this isn't a sprinkler question. NFPA 13 doesn't require sprinklers in buildings, the building code does. Don't take my word for it - go look it up in the IBC. This is a building.
SML -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 2:07 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Exterior Play Area It dosent say those things because it's outside the building Steve. It's a shade structure, like you meant. Sprinklers would just make a big mess. Open on three sides and non-comb means no life safety issue and if that's where it starts it won't get inside before the FD gets there. These 12-17 year old Boys and Girls probably started it, thinking some Smores sounded good. Brad Quoting Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com>: > Y'all need to read the definition of "Building" in the Building Code: > > "Any structure used or intended for supporting or sheltering any use > or occupancy." > > It doesn't mention walls or doors, it doesn't mention construction > type or combustibility of materials. So the area in question IS a > building. That by John's description is ATTACHED to another > (sprinklered) building and is used for occupancy by children where > there is a measurable fire load (whether or not it is a profound fire > load, there is one). > > So once again, from the top: NFPA 13 doesn't exclude this area > because it's occupied and has or potentially has combustibles below > it. The building code defines it as a building. Why don't we have > to sprinkler it? > > Steve > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of > bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 12:10 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Exterior Play Area > > I vote no sprinklers required -- open and noncombustible- the > rockinghorse on a spring is like a newspaper machine - there will > always be just one of them- not one today and twelve tomorrow. > > Brad. > > Quoting Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com>: > >> 8.15.7.5. >> >> From: Sprinklerforum >> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of >> John Irwin >> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:10 AM >> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >> Subject: RE: Exterior Play Area >> >> I can appreciate your opinion, but I need a code reference. 😉 >> >> John Irwin >> DynaFire Inc. – “Same Day – Next Day” >> >> From: Sprinklerforum >> <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum >> - boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Steve Leyton >> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 1:47 PM >> To: >> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerfo...@lists.fi >> r >> esprinkler.org> >> Subject: RE: Exterior Play Area >> >> Assuming there’s play equipment there (fire load) and knowing that >> there are kids occupying the space, I wouldn’t call this an >> “exterior projection”. It’s a shad structure with occupancy below >> and IMO requires sprinkler protection. >> >> SML >> >> From: Sprinklerforum >> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of >> John Irwin >> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 10:42 AM >> To: >> sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerfo...@lists.fi >> r >> esprinkler.org> >> Subject: Exterior Play Area >> >> Protecting a light hazard Boys and Girls Club. I excluded an >> exterior, but covered, attached and open play area. Non-combustible. >> It’s a couple thousand square feet. I excluded using NFPA 13 2013 >> 8.15.7 >> >> Client is telling me that he her other fire sprinkler guys telling >> him he needs sprinklers in that areas. >> >> What say you? >> >> [cid:image001.png@01D3D318.846AE470] >> >> >> John Irwin >> Fire Sprinkler Specialist >> DynaFire, Inc. – “Same Day – Next Day” >> 727-282-9243 – Cell >> >> “A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not >> dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption >> on our work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider on our >> business. He is a part of it. We are not doing him a favour by >> serving him. He is doing us a favour by giving us an opportunity to do so.” > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
