Cyril, Nigel & all,
You all raise very good points about projects that seem to appear from
the ether. If we (Sun) are really trying to be open, then it would be
appropriate to clue in the community. We are trying to be open, but as
Tom pointed out in his post we are still learning. While OpenSolaris is
almost 30 months old a number of the developers working in [Open]Solaris
have only been exposed to the open concepts for a few months. It may
seem odd to those watching opensolaris.org, but there are parts of Sun
that are still trying to figure out what "open" means. There is a change
happening both inside and outside Sun. Outside of Sun many community
members are trying to understand and influence the structure and
processes of OpenSolaris constitution and community. OpenSolaris is
really just an infant. The parents and child are prone to mistakes.
Open discussions like this one are the best way for all of us to learn
and grow. Many project teams are trying to find ways to release their
code to the open and other are trying to figure out how to do bigger
projects with the help of the community.
What can we all be doing better? How can we be helping each other?
Some questions I have:
* what other cool storage technologies (like SquashFS) live outside
of OpenSolaris? and who is willing to start a project to bring
them in?
* what technologies should Sun be working on in the storage space
(FYI a list is started at:
http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_Storage_Developer_Wish_List
-- thanks Paul & Tom)
* how can we work better in exchanging ideas?
I'm really interested in making this community strong and vibrant. There
is great stuff going on, we all help this community grow and thrive!
--jc
Tom Haynes wrote:
> Nigel Smith wrote:
>
>> There do appear to be many project going on in the background at Sun,
>> that suddenly seem to appear 'out of nowhere' almost fully formed
>> from the point of view of the outside OpenSolaris community.
>>
>> The same thing seemed to happen with the CIFS server project.
>>
>> It would be nice to have some idea of what is being worked on at Sun,
>> like a sort of road map for the OpenSolaris project. But I guess
>> that Sun must have their reasons for keeping things under-wraps.
>> Regards
>> Nigel Smith
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> This concerns people inside Sun as well.
>
> I think in most cases it is not a proactive effort, it is just hard to
> remember to think in the open. I
> know when I do an ARC case, the last thing on my mind is whether I
> opened it up to the community
> or not. Well, not anymore, but you get my point. There can just be so
> much procedure to some
> of the stages that it is easy to follow the way you've been doing things
> for ever.
>
> My first OpenSolaris project was the In-Kernel Sharetab. That project
> was over almost as soon
> as it became open - it really feel into the camp above.
>
> The second OpenSolaris project was NFS Server in non-Global Zones. I
> tried to get the requirement
> docs done in a collaboration, but no one stepped up.
>
> The third OpenSolaris project was the Mirror Mount one. The design was
> finished before
> we opened it up. I think we posted bits before it shipped, not sure.
>
> The OpenSolaris project I am working on right now is pNFS. We've done 3
> code drops of prototypes,
> we put design docs up on the site, etc. We work closely with other
> implementors and test with them.
> The final deliverable is a ways off and I still haven't seen much
> interaction from the community.
>
> My point is that even with someone who is very pro-OpenSolaris, the
> advanced warning is very iffy.
>
> Oh, we also did an exercise in the open on a wishlist. I know Paul
> Kasper is close to publishing the
> collected results. That could be an interesting discussion point.
>
> I don't know of all of the storage projects going on with Sun, I doubt I
> was too aware of the VSCAN
> one, but I can ask the people who do know to ask all of the groups to
> consider going open now
> and not later.
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