On 10/24/10 2:53 PM, Mika A wrote:
Nah. For desktops, that was the case for a while, but no longer. I'm
moving people off of Windows left and right, and every Sun Ray
installation I've done has been completely devoid of Windows.
Wau, that is amazing. Maybe I have been saturated by the windows-air
I've been breathing.. We are an educational institute and for some
reason or another people here want windows and windows apps and for some
reasons our IT does what people tell it to do instead of other way around.
I am paid for my technical expertise. Management types don't tell me
how to do my job, or tell me what tools to use. If they do, I don't
work for them anymore. People ask for solutions to problems, and I give
them the best solution I can based on my experience, because they have
little to no experience themselves.
A manager would never in a million years tell a plumber or an
electrician what tools to use to do his job. I try to only work for
people who extend that same professionalism to computer systems.
Granted, customers like that became a dying breed when Microsoft
started getting their marketing garbage into the vacuous heads of
management types who believe anything as long as it's presented in a
glossy ad in BusinessWeek Magazine. But nowadays, their continual
problems with stability and security started swinging things the other
way a few years ago. Lots of people WANT to get away from Windows, and
nowadays, more and more people are able to.
And where is that, in today's world from a small company's perspective?
Providing inexpensive, easily manageable, low-power, small-footprint
desktops.
Of those, the first is currently badly missing.
I assume you're talking about Sun Rays being expensive. Yes, with
that I have to agree. Oracle's management may be trying to make as much
money as possible on them or "correct Sun's pricing mistakes" or
whatever, but if they are too expensive, nobody will buy them...period.
They are making GREAT BIG inroads into the desktop arena with this,
displacing Windows PCs by the hundreds, but all that momentum will be
lost very quickly if they jack the prices up. Nobody will buy them,
it's as simple as that.
And more precisely: what part of that can't be done with
<whatever-windows-installable-solution>?
With stability, maintainability, security, and good performance? Which
ones CAN be done with Windows?
Well, you really can take any VDI solution, run dynamic (delete after
logout) desktops there and have enough of those all.
That's true, but the reason such things are necessary at all is
because reinstalling Windows periodically is the only way to keep it
stable. Other operating systems simply don't have those sorts of
problems...they never have, and they likely never will. Dynamic
delete-after-logout desktops are a fix for a problem that only exists in
the Windows world.
It is great if there are people who accept a switch to linux just like
that but it simply is not always possible.
It's not always possible, true...but we've turned the corner; the
instances in which it IS possible are far more common than the instances
where it isn't.
We have software people use that only works on windows etc.
I've seen that too. In fact, my largest Sun Ray installation has
Linux+SRSS running as a VMware guest, alongside another guest running
SCO OpenServer (remember that?) because their (large) inventory control
system only runs on that platform, and they don't want to change it
because they like it and it works well for them.
Vertical-market applications are around, sure...But remember when
Microsoft had the non-technical world's desktops held hostage with Word,
Excel, and PowerPoint? That era is over, and the era of the other
Windows-only apps will end in the same way.
Even AutoCAD doesn't require Windows anymore.
And I have seen one of our users (who was on Sun Ray using virtual
windows desktop) trying to use Excel but she had to switch back to PC
because either Excel or RDP or uttsc has bugs which disconnected the
session every time she tried to do a specific task and there were
several different tasks that happened with. So it's not always possible
to "just switch" and not even notice.
Wow, that must've been annoying. No, not "always", but "mostly".
I'm sorry for making such a sweeping "always" statement. (And I hope
you filed a bug report about that session disconnect problem! Otto and
company will fix it, they're cool like that. ;))
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
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