>Thanks Bob, you're absolutely correct.

And the interest I asked you whether you shouldn't be declaring Dan?


>-----Original Message-----
>From: bmolloy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:16 PM
>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment
>Hi Hakan,
>                With respect to you and Dan, this is a biofuels group,
>not a political discussion seminar. If all the hot air generated by the
>Israeli/Arab question were bottled and pipe-fed worldwide we'd could
>close this chatline and run our vehicles forever on the energy.
>For the record, the State of Israel is not recognised by any Arab nation
>other than Egypt. Worse, they have official policies in place to destroy
>Whatever your view you can only join one side or the other. Allotting
>blame is pointless. The war, which started with Abraham and his
>sheepherders moving into Canaan (Israel) some 4,000 years ago, will
>continue until one side or the other runs out of motivation (i.e.dollars
>or energy).
>Until then, let's get back to biofuels.
>Regards to you both.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:12 PM
>Subject: RE: [biofuel] wondering about this comment
> >
> > Dan,
> >
> > I fail to see how you can make such an answer to what I said. What you
> > saying have nothing at all to do with the issues that I bring up in my
> > posting. This about most inhabited part of the country, have you ever
> > visiting Israel? Do you really understand the geography and can you
> > further away from Palestinians, than this corner part of Golan heights
> > Lebanese/Syrian border? Why do you have to say this ignorant things,
> > attacks my naive beliefs on the superior human intellect.
> >
> > Hakan
> >
> >
> > At 19:10 15/06/2004, you wrote:
> >
> > >I visited Israel recently and toured the Golan among other places.
> > >Golan is the perfect place for anyone bent on the destruction of
> > >(like Syria professes to be) to possess so that they can just drop
> > >artillery shells on the most inhabitted sections of the country.
> > >what they tried to do in 1967 and there is absolutely no reason for
> > >anyone to believe that they will not repeat that if they ever get the
> > >Golan back.  The only way Israel can be secure is to retain the Golan
> > >and keep those people who wish to see Israel destroyed off of it.
> > >
> > >But isn't this supposed to be the biofuels list?
> > >
> > >Dan
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:57 AM
> > >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment
> > >
> > >
> > >Steve,
> > >
> > >This is one of the worse things I heard for a long - long time. We
> > >international laws that regulate this and none is supporting your and
> > >Israel's view  about individual ownership, as you are stating it. It
> > >might have been true some hundreds years ago, but today ownership
> > >be respected. This have nothing to do with what the state occupies
> > >whoever, they are obliged by international law to respect individual
> > >property rights. An occupier have the obligation to protect the
> > >population and provide a secure environment in accordance to
> > >international law and human rights. Israel does nothing of either.
> > >Personally I feel cheated, since I have for so long supported Israel
> > >its right to live in peace and security. How can this state that for
> > >long and in such a high degree, solicited and got my support, commit
> > >such crimes today.
> > >
> > >Every time I look at what you are saying, it get me more and more
> > >and how can anyone be so f-ing stupid. I do not normally get so upset
> > >and it is not good for my health. My friend, you do not fit in the
> > >modern society, with respect for human rights. How can anyone support
> > >land grab and stealing from individuals, who are the victims of a
> > >conflict between states and not personally responsible.
> > >
> > >How could you, Israel and the US government develop such a barbarian
> > >view.
> > >The negligence by US to follow the international laws in Iraq, might
> > >a sign of both the US and Israel ignorance. Leaders and government
> > >countries are expected to follow international laws, if not, they are
> > >criminals. Both US and Israel are bound to these laws and have
> > >them, their behavior is not supportable.
> > >
> > >Hakan
> > >
> > >At 15:43 15/06/2004, you wrote:
> > > > >I am a neutral observer. To distinguish between what  is just and
> > > > >what is not. Jews have taken other  peoples' homes and have
> > > > >them out of their land.
> > > > > i understand that all the arabs have accepted the fact  that
> > > > >is to exist. They have offered to live in  peace provided Isreal
> > > > >returns all the land it stole  from the arabs in 1967. Why have
> > > > >rejected it?
> > > >
> > > >If this person went to work.. made money that he earned would he
> > > >that the money still belongs to his employer?
> > > >
> > > >When you capture territories in a war ... they are yours.. not the
> > > >people you captured it from.  These are the same things..
> > > >
> > > >That is why the Jews have rejected giving the land back. It is
> > >
> > > >they were attacked... they won.
> > > >
> > > >End of story... this was not a land grab...this was the spoils of
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